{"article":{"id":127698,"heading":"Garden Grove: What Happened When Netkin Attacked","author":"Chicomozteca","created":"2005-05-30 07:49:14","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:23","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:33:23","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>After 2 1\/2 days I was finally able to speak directly with two people who were at the driveway, and who were responsible persons among the demonstrators, when Hal Netkin attacked the protestors at the Garden Grove Anti &ndash; Minutemen protest.  <br><br> The story is simple and straightforward. For legal reasons I will not identify protest participants by name or organization. <br><br> Protestors were picketing, walking in a circle. The circle included the area of the driveway being used for entrance by those attending the Gilchrist talk. <br><br> Hal Netkin drove up from the street, turned sharply into the driveway without stopping, striking &ndash; at last count &ndash; six protestors. <br><br> Netkin was in no way provoked, threatened, stopped, harassed, intimidated or attacked by any protestor. <br><br> After the protestors were struck by Netkin&rsquo;s van, police made no move to take control of the sidewalk or the driveway.  <br><br> In other words police made no move to block, encircle or protect protestors, despite the fact that two of their comrades still lay on the ground, subject to being run over again by incoming vehicles. <br><br> For this and other reasons, I was told, some protestors may have momentarily interfered with the next car to wheel into the driveway, but only after they had been subjected to attempted murder and a clear cut hate crime, and only after police made no effort to &ldquo;protect or serve&rdquo; those exposed to harm. <br><br> One might note the disparity in law enforcement attitudes and actions. <br><br> To state and perhaps belabor the obvious, on Wednesday night, it was the Minutemen and their racist armed protectors - the police - in league against the Chican@ community, both seeking to physically spiritually and morally  harm the community and its allies by any means at their disposal. <br><br>  <br>  <br> <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"The brief, real story of what went down when Minutemen supporter  Hal Netkin drove his van into a line of demonstrators in Garde Grove on Wednesday.","numcomment":12,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2005\/05\/127698.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":127724,"heading":"Theres Police Video tape","article":"All politics put aside....  there are reasons people aren't convicted... its called evidence...     Netkin was released after police watched a videotape that showed protesters surrounding the vehicle, banging on it and refusing to move, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield. About 300 protesters at the scene were \u201ctrying to intimidate him and refused to let him pass,\u201d Handfield said. By night\u2019s end, five demonstrators had been arrested. \r\n\r\n{snip}\r\n\r\nThe protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and cans packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield said. They kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore latex gloves and hoods so they wouldn\u2019t be identified by police, Handfield said. Some attendees decided not to enter the building because they feared violence.\r\n\r\nUNBIASED OUT","author":"Unbiased_Va","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 17:15:56","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:23","fileurl":""},{"id":127735,"heading":"Re: Theres Police Video tape","article":"Reality check: the cops say they have a video that exonerates them, so it must be true.  Who's seen it?  You, &quot;Unbiased&quot;?\r\n\r\nWe have witnesses, the cops have Handfield, so, according to the &quot;Unbiased&quot; comments, the demonstrators are liars, the cops are telling the truth. \r\n\r\n&quot;All politics put aside&quot; my ass.  Politics according to Unbiased_Va are that the police must be right be telling the truth because they're the police.  I don't know anyone who's fallen for that one in forty years, except a few yokels up in the hills.","author":"The Morr\u00edgan","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 17:55:35","modified":"2026-10-25 17:02:53","fileurl":""},{"id":127761,"heading":"Re: Theres Police Video tape","article":"Thanks for the reality check. You are right on target. \r\n\r\nI know of many instances when demonstrators have been charged with things that the videotape conclusively proved had not occurred.\r\n\r\nThe police are _never_ apolitical.\r\n\r\nThey are _always_ the enemy of protestors who are fighting for liberation.\r\n\r\nPolice often don't care what the videotape shows. There is an old saying they believe in, that &quot;you can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride.&quot;\r\n\r\nDuring the overt COINTELPRO period of the sixties and seventies, orgs like AIM and the Panthers and many others were targeted for ongoing arrest, precisely in order to tie up the leadership in court, to stress the organization's abilities to function and fund raise, to intimidate those who might otherwise join them, and to neutralize or eliminate key people or talented individuals.\r\n\r\nIf legal harrassment didn't work, or efforts to imprison or intimidate people failed, death was  on the agenda. \r\n\r\nThat was the fate of 27 Panthers and a simply huge number of AIM supporters - so many that the death rate in Pine Ridge on the Lakota Reservation roughly equalled the death rate in Chile following the fascist coup by  Pinochet.\r\n\r\nSo, as you said, &quot;Leaving aside politics&quot; my a**\r\n\r\nChicomozteca\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Chicomozteca","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 19:56:25","modified":"2005-05-30 19:56:25","fileurl":""},{"id":127811,"heading":"Solidarity","article":"Frankly, I dont care if the protesters did throw soda at this racist.  Shit, it should have been bricks.  We are talking about an armed paramilitary group forming in our community.  We should support those people who stood up to them that day.  They were brave enough to take a stand, if only all of us would do the same.","author":"San Patricio","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-31 18:20:01","modified":"2005-05-31 18:20:01","fileurl":""},{"id":127861,"heading":"Archangel","article":"I've seen the video.  Yes, the protestors attacked the mans car and most were not hurt when he tried to escape.\r\n\r\nThe video even shows the protestors trying to act like they were hurt when they were not.\r\n\r\nWHAT A BUNCH OF LIARS YOU ALL ARE!  \r\n\r\nAnd the guy on here talking about using bricks?  Then in the same breath complaining about para military groups?\r\n\r\nYou guys tried to attack people at a peaceful public speaking engagement.  8 of you were arrested for serious violent offenses.  You are flat busted on tape attacking the mans car and then pretending to be hurt when you were not.\r\n\r\nI'm so happy that I am working against a bunch of violent, racist, lying, lawless, disrespectful, creeps like you folks here at Indy Media.\r\n\r\nWhy would anyone want to support the views of violent liars?  That is what you are and you will fail.\r\n\r\nThe truth has a power and the truth is on the side of your opposition.\r\n\r\nPack your bags illegals.  You are going home and the violent protestors around Indy Media are helping speed your removal up.\r\n\r\nIt wont be the Minutemen removing you.  It will be the US Government.\r\n\r\nJH\r\n\r\nPS:  Since your protest was vioelent.  How does it feel to violate the civil rights of Americans?  Nice job clowns.","author":"Jimmy Heat","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-01 07:24:49","modified":"2005-06-01 07:24:49","fileurl":""},{"id":127930,"heading":"wheres the tape","article":"To those that say they have seen the tape.  Where and when?\r\nHow come you are not posting the url so everyone can decide the truth?","author":"gman","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 04:08:21","modified":"2005-06-02 04:08:21","fileurl":""},{"id":127932,"heading":"wheres the tape","article":"To those that say they have seen the tape.  Where and when?\r\nHow come you are not posting the url so everyone can decide the truth?","author":"gman","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 04:51:58","modified":"2005-06-02 04:51:58","fileurl":""},{"id":127947,"heading":"Chicomozteca IS LYING","article":"Mexican Nationals and their friends attacked a little old man\r\njust like La Raza attacked a 66 year old lady in Baldwin Park\r\n\r\n                   Americans will win!","author":"We American know it!","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 12:49:17","modified":"2005-06-02 12:49:17","fileurl":""},{"id":127961,"heading":"The missing tape","article":"> To those that say they have seen the tape. Where \r\n> and when?  How come you are not posting the url \r\n> so everyone can decide the truth?\r\n\r\nThe police won't release the tape, almost certainly.  What the eye witnesses report is that the suspect deliberately drove into a crowd of peaceful anti-race hate protesters who then responded in kind -- which they shouldn't have.\r\n\r\nThe suspect provoked the peaceful protesters by driving into them, motivating the peaceful protesters to pound on the suspect's vehicle.\r\n\r\nThe racist hate mongers and the police whoi released the suspect aren't going to release the video which shows the fact that the suspect instigated the incident.\r\n\r\nThe good guys need to learn from this since I consider it highly likely that the suspect did this specifically to try to turn the peaceful protesters into an angry response.\r\n\r\nIn all cases, the racists have &quot;drawn first blood.&quot;  In the case of the assault against freedom of speech and Mexicans in Baldwin Park, the racists instigated the overwhelming opposition by the community.  In all cases, the racists act and the community at large peacefully reacts.\r\n\r\nSo it was with this suspect driving into a crowd of peaceful protesters in Garden Grove.  And I suspect it was done deliberately to incite an angry response.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 16:05:07","modified":"2005-06-02 16:05:07","fileurl":""},{"id":128003,"heading":"Tape should be released to public","article":"since there is a question as to what actions took place at garden grove and police did film portions of the event.  The footage taken that night should be released under the freedom of information act.  Not releasing the tape(s) only serves to cast reasonable suspicion that  the law officers acted unprofessional and outside the book.","author":"gman","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 22:42:02","modified":"2005-06-02 22:42:02","fileurl":""},{"id":128025,"heading":"Allons","article":"Peaceful protestors, you schumks don't know the meaning of the word.  I have the video that clearly shows the so called peaceful protestors hitting the Red minivan trying to get into the parking lot driven by an older lady and the same situation with Hal\u2019s green minivan before he sped up to get away from you  puercos!\r\n\r\nIt also shows the faking of injuries by the Latino in the white T-shirt, shorts and back pack carrying the bull horn.  He is seen getting push by the van falling to the ground and getting right back up and pushing his puercos back.  He them fades into the crowd only to come back into view 15 seconds  later  falling to the ground with the help of one Garden Grove PD guiding his way to the pavement.  \r\n\r\nNot that anyone here is interested in the truth, but I have the video, our version of a Zapruder film. It will be shown everywhere to expose your anti American hateful and racist plans.\r\n","author":"Michael de Leon","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-03 05:25:23","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:28","fileurl":""},{"id":143082,"heading":"Turn it around Commies!","article":"Everyone knows you commies attacked a law abiding American citizen!\r\n\r\n                         Fucking liars!\r\n\r\n            GO BACK TO MEXICO!","author":"Mike","parent_id":127698,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-03 01:23:31","modified":"2006-01-03 01:23:31","fileurl":""}]}