{"article":{"id":127370,"heading":"Minutemen Protest (2 of 3)","author":"1Planet1People","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:44","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:11:44","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>This is the continued report (2 of 3). <br><br> This next picture shows people from the Minutemen \/ SOS group trying to ensight violence with the peaceful protestors.  It didn't work, but you have to give them credit for trying.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"The Garden Gove Police Department conducted themselves in ways that were expected.  They protected the racists, and attacked the people.","numcomment":16,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2005\/05\/21.jpg18qlta.jpg","filesize":"38.3 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2005\/05\/127370.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2005\/05\/21.jpg18qlta.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2005\/05\/21.jpg18qlta.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[{"id":127371,"heading":"More people trying to insight violence","article":"They tried and tried again, taunting protestors, inviting them onto private property (so they could get them arrested).  These militia types will try any tactic to get a rise from the people, but it simply didn't work.  People would verbally engage with them, but not fall victim to their tactics.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:44","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/22.jpggf9gxy.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/22.jpggf9gxy.jpg"}},{"id":127372,"heading":"Another hate monger","article":"","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:44","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/23.jpgpdph5p.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/23.jpgpdph5p.jpg"}},{"id":127373,"heading":"Its only 6:50, and the press is interviewing people","article":"There is one of the corporate media individuals in the crowd trying to get interviews.  I think we should really think about how we conduct ourselves with them.  Even though they are biased and usually work against us, there are many people on our side that see these interviews and will respond to the next demonstration.  We need to get rational and calm people to talk to them.  To appear non-biased (even though this is a joke), they have to put someone on, and if we only give them good solid points, that is all they can use.  Yelling at the press does NOT help us.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:44","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/24.jpgye171j.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/24.jpgye171j.jpg"}},{"id":127374,"heading":"Fox News","article":"They guy on the left was from Fox.  I watched their coverage, and was surprised to see that it was really the most balanced of all the coverage I saw.  Then I remembered that this is the one weird time that Bush and us both didn't like the Minutemen.  Really weird feeling!!  Of course this is all relative and the coverage for us could have been a little more honest.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/25.jpgvbqaxg.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/25.jpgvbqaxg.jpg"}},{"id":127375,"heading":"The Anarchists are on the ground!","article":"","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/26.jpg0zvb9c.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/26.jpg0zvb9c.jpg"}},{"id":127376,"heading":"The guy in the black shirt tried to taunt people","article":"He went so far that the police stepped in and had to have a stern talk with him.  He is a lose cannon ready to go off.  Please remember his face and watch your backs around him.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/27.jpgv4hdac.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/27.jpgv4hdac.jpg"}},{"id":127377,"heading":"Who is this guy in the red?!?!","article":"At one point he was trying to debate a Native American for the news.  I wish people had allowed for this to happen, as it would have made their side look bad.  But later in the night he claimed to be opposed to the Minute Men Project and said he was not with, nor did he support the Save Our Street group.  I could not figure out who he was, whom he was with, or where he stood on the issues.  Confusing!","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/28.jpgikqvpe.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/28.jpgikqvpe.jpg"}},{"id":127378,"heading":"This guy was on their side?!?!","article":"I don't get these people, but then again look at Rice.  There are always a few people who have self hate.  I wander if he has any family living in the countries that are being exploited by our government?","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/29.jpgvz4bll.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/29.jpgvz4bll.jpg"}},{"id":127379,"heading":"The Van","article":"This is the van that hit the protestors.  I guess people know this guy as I saw his name, and phone number on another post.  There was a window broken on the car to immediately follow the mad man's van.  This is unfortunate as it is likely the reason that the fascist\u2019s charges were dismissed.  Though these people are racists, hate mongers, and violent vigilantes, we must remember what MLK and Gandhi were able to do.  If we could have stopped this from happening, then the media would not have had a choice except to focus on them as the violent ones.  The car window that was broken gave the press what they needed to paint the picture they wanted to paint (though I was enraged as well).","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:21","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/30.jpgoryhcv.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/30.jpgoryhcv.jpg"}},{"id":127380,"heading":"The Police Horses come to the front.","article":"The protest has now officially began (it is 7:10).  The crazy drive has already hit the peaceful demonstrators (the only thing on the guys hood was the people that were being flung there when he hit them as his wife was screaming racial slurs at them).  The police respond by letting the guy give interviews to the press, and then taking him into custody for the cameras (only to release him later).  My guess is that they took him down to the station to buy him a beer and thank him for his hate crime.  They then bring horses up to the crowd that is chanting, \u201cArrest the driver\u201d.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:21","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/31.jpgefskgw.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/31.jpgefskgw.jpg"}},{"id":127381,"heading":"8:00 pm","article":"The lapse in time is because I had to run home to post about the hate crime on here.  The hate mongers had expected people to leave once darkness fell.  They think this is a game and that we protest just for fun.  If they had a clue about us actually not wanting racist vigilantes in our state, they would have known that we would not leave until they are gone.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/32.jpge9vgiz.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/32.jpge9vgiz.jpg"}},{"id":127382,"heading":"They are in the meeting!","article":"We knew that we needed to drum out the hate, and people did just that.  Dancing, drumming, and celebrating the people!","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/33.jpgeixnv4.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/33.jpgeixnv4.jpg"}},{"id":127383,"heading":"To serve and protect.","article":"The police assemble in their riot gear to make sure that these extremists are allowed to plan their attacks on the poor people of the world.  I wander if they would do the same if we wanted to plan attacks on rich white men!","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/34.jpgqskrle.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/34.jpgqskrle.jpg"}},{"id":127384,"heading":"She looks mean.","article":"Maybe just upset that she has to fight the types of groups that gave her the right to vote, the right to be a police officer, and the right to equal pay.  If her side wins, she loses.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/35.jpg0nmher.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/35.jpg0nmher.jpg"}},{"id":127385,"heading":"The exits are peacefully blocked","article":"It is now 8:56 pm and the protestors are still here, still remaining peaceful, and marching to blockade the racists in the parking lot.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/36.jpgyfyygj.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/36.jpgyfyygj.jpg"}},{"id":127386,"heading":"The police begin to organize","article":"Notice the orange canisters they are carrying, that is mace.  They are beginning to assemble at the back entrance.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:45","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/37.jpgqmqad5.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/37.jpgqmqad5.jpg"}},{"id":127387,"heading":"They bring the horses into the crowd.","article":"They used the horses to walk into the crowd, endangering the peaceful protestors.","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:46","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/38.jpgqquusu.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/38.jpgqquusu.jpg"}},{"id":127388,"heading":"The Mace","article":"I missed the important info on this cop (face, badge number, etc.) and I apologize for that.  He was taunting people with the mace, looking for an excuse to use it.  It is now 9:00pm","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:46","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/39.jpggdggww.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/39.jpggdggww.jpg"}},{"id":127389,"heading":"More Cops on their horses...","article":"","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-05-27 21:09:39","modified":"2005-08-15 03:11:46","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/40.jpgyvigjo.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/05\/40.jpgyvigjo.jpg"}}],"comments":[{"id":127419,"heading":"the police don't respect any of us","article":"The police of Orange County are like the  police of  Birmingham, or the police of India. It's not  the righteous breaking of fascist's windows that got the police drop the charges against the driver. It's that the police are on the Minutemen's and other right-wingers' side. In fact in many cases they are the same people. Find how many of the Minutemen are retired &quot;law enforcement&quot;. Ghandi and MLK were proponents of non-violent action and soem fo suppport what some people deem &quot;violent action&quot;,whihc in this case is self-defense. A right-winger tries to kill some demonstrators, and all people do is break his windows. That's restraint. \r\n\r\nAs far as talking to the media is concerned, you tell them your story. Don't embellish and don't lie.  Just talk naturally and clearly.  Don't expect them to be on your side, but do it anyway. By the way, Fox local stations are often the best at locla news. Amongst other reasons is they have a full hour to fill at 10pm.  \r\n   ","author":"deanosor","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-27 22:59:03","modified":"2005-05-27 22:59:03","fileurl":""},{"id":127579,"heading":"His wife wasn't even there you idiot","article":"I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely fabricated!  Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers were torn off and his windows were being pounded on.  His car was surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in fear of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots.  Hal Netkin slowly tried moving away.  All injuries were exaggerated and nothing was serious.  The reason he was not charged is because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old man.  The protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those who were hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully.  If your car was surrounded and people yelling and beating down on your windows... I ask you, what would you do?","author":"Unbiased_Va","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 21:07:19","modified":"2005-05-28 21:07:19","fileurl":""},{"id":127580,"heading":"Completely untrue","article":"I know from personal witnesses that this report is completely fabricated!  Hal Netkin's car was being attacked, his car wipers were torn off and his windows were being pounded on.  His car was surrounded by yelling and some violent protestors...so in fear of not being taken out of his car as in previous riots.  Hal Netkin slowly tried moving away.  All injuries were exaggerated and nothing was serious.  The reason he was not charged is because he did nothing wrong. He was a scared old man.  The protest was out of hand... it is a shame that those who were hurt because they couldn't protest peacefully.  If your car was surrounded and people yelling and beating down on your windows... I ask you, what would you do?","author":"Unbiased_Va","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 21:08:53","modified":"2005-05-28 21:08:53","fileurl":""},{"id":127583,"heading":"Response to the Trolls","article":"I have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a multi-cultural background.  I can only report eyewitness testimony (that is what the news does),and I did just that.  Now the report from the young man injured was that he heard a woman yelling racial slurs at him when he was struct by the car.  And it was a man driving.  With everything happening so quickly, it is possible that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he mistook the man as a woman.  I reported it the way it sounded.\r\n\r\nWith that said, it was the Executive Director of the legal guild that was flung on the hood.  No one is going to believe that he attacked your car, they are observers, and they have worked with hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern California area, with thousands of issues.  You can try to claim he was &quot;attacking you&quot; all you want, the judge is going to laugh you out of the court room.  These people are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because they either represent us, or they testify for us when we are falsely arrested.  They do not engage in protests, and they do NOT attack people.  To even claim that he &quot;jumped on his van&quot; is so unbelieveable, I would need video to disclaim it.  Just because the cops sided with him, does not mean he was being honest.  Your side will create your own relaity and say what ever sounds best at the time.  Kind of like you guys saying I faked pictures.  Bet you didn't expect me to have the video footage to PROVE you wrong.  See, you guys are always looking the fool.  Your sign should have read, &quot;Welcome to Wonderland&quot;  \r\n\r\nThe claim that they were faked.  Every right wing wacko was so convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, &quot;Indymedia Exposed&quot;\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/05\/127222_comment.php#127276\r\n\r\nMy proof that you guys are fools.  Do your homework next time.  Just like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the objective truth.\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/05\/127222_comment.php#127471","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 21:38:21","modified":"2005-05-28 21:38:21","fileurl":""},{"id":127585,"heading":"Real Response to the Trolls","article":"This is not like me, but I just published the unedited version of my response.  I will usually just say, oh well, but there are things added that I wanted to say.  So please disregard the last post for this one\u2026\u2026\u2026.\r\n*********************************************\r\nI have done research of this guy, and it seems he comes from a multi-cultural background.  This does not mean he is not racist, but does bring up questions why he hates Mexican\u2019s so much (he runs two hateful websites against Pro-Mexican\/Immigrant Policies and People).  When it comes to a story, I can only report eyewitness testimony (that is what the news does), and I did just that.  The statement I took was from a direct interview he gave to Channel 2 News that night.  I would not have run it, except I saw it come from his mouth.  Now the report from the young man injured was that he heard a woman yelling racial slurs at him when the car struck him.  And it was a man driving.  With everything happening so quickly, it is possible that slurs came from your crowd of racists, or that he mistook the man as a woman.  I reported it the way it sounded.\r\n\r\nWith that said, from what I understand, it was the Executive Director of the legal guild that was flung on the hood.  No one is going to believe that he attacked your car, they are legal OBSERVERS, and they have worked with hundreds of thousands of people in the Southern California area, with thousands of issues.  You can try to claim he was &quot;attacking you&quot; all you want, the judge is going to laugh you out of the courtroom.  These people are lawyers, they need to witness stuff because they either represent us, or they testify for us when we are falsely arrested.  They do NOT engage in protests, and they do NOT attack people.  To even claim that he &quot;jumped on his van&quot; is so unbelievable, I would need video to prove it.  Just because the cops sided with Hal, does not mean he was being honest.  Your side will create your own reality and say what ever sounds best at the time.  Kind of like you guys saying I faked pictures.  Bet you didn't expect me to have the video footage to PROVE you wrong.  See, you guys are always looking the fool.  Your sign should have read, &quot;Welcome to Wonderland&quot;\r\n\r\nThe claim that they were faked. Every right wing wacko was so convinced that it made it to all these websites saying, &quot;Indymedia Exposed&quot; \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/05\/127222_comment.php#127276 \r\n\r\nMy proof that you guys are fools. Do your homework next time. Just like the van, you create your own relaity and then call it the objective truth. \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/05\/127222_comment.php#127471\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 21:45:17","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:22","fileurl":""},{"id":127602,"heading":"It's &quot;incite&quot;","article":"Incite, not &quot;ensight&quot;","author":"someone","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-29 04:13:56","modified":"2005-05-29 04:13:56","fileurl":""},{"id":127604,"heading":"She said, he said","article":"All this &quot;they did this&quot; and &quot;they did that&quot; accusation reminds me of that Runaway Bride fabrication.  When someone screws up, point the blame at the guy lowest on the social ladder.  Blame the Black Guy.  Blame the Illegal Immigrant.\r\n\r\nYeah, the loud activists.... they gotta be to blame, because they're so.... upsetting.\r\n\r\nAnd so many people believe it, because they have nothing but their fear to trust.  Keep them afraid with more fear mongering, and they'll believe anything.\r\n\r\nit's dark times, but truth is the light.","author":"johnk","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-29 04:25:50","modified":"2005-05-29 04:25:50","fileurl":""},{"id":127723,"heading":"What color is the sky in your world?","article":"&quot;The exits are peacefully blocked&quot;\r\n\r\nWhat?  \r\n\r\nWHAT?  \r\n\r\nYOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL, YOU MORON!  \r\n\r\nIt's an intimidation tactic.  It's also a form of terrorism.  If you restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding them prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason.  If you were surrounded by a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they wouldn't let you leave, you would go through the goddamn roof.  \r\n\r\nIf I see one more person bitching and whining about rich, white (American) men I'm going to scream.  How about looking at the BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now.  I know it\u2019s hard to do, considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and doesn't have any culture of rampant corruption at all.  If you wouldn't mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you might notice the WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction) who are exploiting the BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous heritage) by allowing generation after generation to live in utter poverty and squalor.  You\u2019ll notice something most of the people on this board are constantly screaming about.  Want a hint?  Here, I\u2019ll put it in caps for you.  It\u2019s\u2026\r\n\r\nRACISM!\r\n\r\nSee?  Si?  Understand better now, dumbass?  Kind of like looking into the sun, isn't it?  If you want to start somewhere, start there.\r\n\r\nOh, and for the record, it's &quot;wonder,&quot; not &quot;wander,&quot; you ignoramus.  \r\n","author":"Apache","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 16:37:51","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:23","fileurl":""},{"id":127730,"heading":"The Garden Grove's police's take","article":"Netkin was released after police watched a videotape that showed protesters surrounding the vehicle, banging on it and refusing to move, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield. About 300 protesters at the scene were \u201ctrying to intimidate him and refused to let him pass,\u201d Handfield said. By night\u2019s end, five demonstrators had been arrested. \r\n\r\n{snip}\r\n\r\nThe protesters blocked the entrance and tossed soda cans and cans packed with marbles at police and attendees, Handfield said. They kicked, banged and threw rocks at cars; some wore latex gloves and hoods so they wouldn\u2019t be identified by police, Handfield said. Some attendees decided not to enter the building because they feared violence.\r\n\r\nUnbiased OUT","author":"Unbiased_VA","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 17:33:18","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:23","fileurl":""},{"id":127740,"heading":"Re: The Garden Grove's police's take","article":"Reality check: the cops say they have a video that exonerates them, so it must be true. Who's seen it? You, &quot;Unbiased&quot;?\r\n\r\nWe have witnesses, the cops have Handfield, so, according to the &quot;Unbiased&quot; comments, the demonstrators are liars, the cops are telling the truth.\r\n\r\n&quot;All politics put aside&quot; my ass. Politics according to Unbiased_Va are that the police must be right be telling the truth because they're the police. I don't know anyone who's fallen for that one in forty years, except a few yokels up in the hills.","author":"The Morr\u00edgan","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 18:06:14","modified":"2026-10-25 17:02:53","fileurl":""},{"id":127750,"heading":"All photos are real... my apoligies to 1planet and everyone","article":"I just want everyone to know that all photos are real...  I used poor word usage by saying doctored... I meant to mean one sided...   nonetheless... I'm sorry to 1planet , ...his photos are 100 percent real!!!   \r\n\r\nUnbiased OUT","author":"Unbiased_VA","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 18:13:48","modified":"2005-05-30 18:13:48","fileurl":""},{"id":127768,"heading":"VIva!","article":">>&quot;YOU CAN'T BLOCK SOMEONE'S MOVEMENT AND STILL BE PEACEFUL, YOU MORON!\r\n\r\n>>&quot;It's an intimidation tactic. It's also a form of terrorism. If you restrict a person's ability to get away, you are holding them prisoner, it's unlawful for a reason. If you were surrounded by a throng of old men, (which is what they are) and they wouldn't let you leave, you would go through the goddamn roof.&quot;\r\n\r\nDamnit!  That's right.  BLOCKING MOVEMENT IS TERRORISM.  BLOCKING IT WITH THE THREAT OF ARMED FORCE IS *DOUBLE* *TERRORISM*.  No more borders!\r\n\r\nAND especially, down with any WHITE HAIRED border vigilanted.\r\n\r\n>>&quot;If I see one more person bitching and whining about rich, white (American) men I'm going to scream. How about looking at the BILLIONAIRES running Mexico right now. I know it\u2019s hard to do, considering that country operates like a Suisse watch and doesn't have any culture of rampant corruption at all. If you wouldn't mind casting your narrow gaze southward, you might notice the WHITE MEXICANS (of European extraction) who are exploiting the BROWN MEXICANS (of indigenous heritage) by allowing generation after generation to live in utter poverty and squalor. You\u2019ll notice something most of the people on this board are constantly screaming about. Want a hint? Here, I\u2019ll put it in caps for you. It\u2019s\u2026\r\n\r\n>>&quot;RACISM!\r\n\r\n>>&quot;See? Si? Understand better now, dumbass? Kind of like looking into the sun, isn't it? If you want to start somewhere, start there. &quot;\r\n\r\nSI! Si my brother.  THE PROBLEM TRULY IS WHITE RACISM.  DOWN WITH WHITES!  DOWN WITH THEIR BROWN COLLABORATORS!\r\n\r\nTear down the borders to build an global indigenous resistance against all European racism!  And the church too!","author":"The Enquirer","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 22:22:48","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:23","fileurl":""},{"id":127771,"heading":"warning tone {beep}","article":"Division engineering among the exploited is another tool of the criminal structure.\r\nBridges, not walls are needed.\r\nAllies not enemies will turn the resistance.\r\nWe are freemen.\r\n","author":"Feedbreaker","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-30 23:44:55","modified":"2005-05-30 23:44:55","fileurl":""},{"id":127781,"heading":"Racism","article":"Please don't blame all whites for the problems.  There are many of us that are on your side.  I just want to state as clearly as possible, that there are many European-Americans that understand that this land was stolen from natives, and that we understand the struggles caused through racism, and that we are on the side of those who have been fu*ked over the last 500 years.  Spain first screwed the people, then, Mexico tried to fix the problems, but before things could be corrected, red necked bastards wanted the land, and the Amerikkkas backed them.  Though we are few, there are those of us willing to go to the line to restore justice.  Please don't hate those of us willing to fight the system for you and with you.  Though, it is VERY likely that one of those racists a55holes posted the post that divides people, we will not be divided.  This is a struggle against the powers that be, and we, as citizens of the planet earth; we beat these powers.  All power to the people!","author":"1Planet1People","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-31 04:49:41","modified":"2005-05-31 04:49:41","fileurl":""},{"id":127787,"heading":"words from beyond","article":"<div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;><span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);&quot;>\"Voyager, there\r\nare no bridges, one builds them as one walks.\"<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;><\/span><br>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;><\/span><br>\r\n<div style=&quot;text-align: center;&quot;><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\"The actual physical borderland\r\nthat I'm dealing with in this book is the Texas-U.S., Southwest\/\r\nMexican border. <span style=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>The\r\npsychological borderlands, the sexual borderlands, and spiritual\r\nborderlands are not particular to the Southwest.<\/span> <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;>In fact the Borderlands are physically\r\npresent wherever two or more cultures edge each other, where people of\r\ndifferent races occupy the same territory, where under, lower, middle\r\nand upper classes touch, <span style=&quot;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);&quot;>where the\r\nspace between two individuals shrinks with intimacy<\/span><\/span>\"--Gloria\r\nAnzaldua. Second Edition, with a new introduction by Sonia\r\nSaldivar-Hull, author of Feminism on the Border, and an in-depth\r\ninterview with Gloria Anzaldua.<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 0);&quot;>\"What we say and what we do\r\nultimately comes back to us so let us own our responsibility, place it\r\nin our hands and carry it with dignity and strength.\"<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 0);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;><\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 255, 51);&quot;><\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>One interviewer asks, \"<span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 51, 153);&quot;>So what did you have to do in order\r\nto be true to [God]?<\/span>\" Anzaldua replies, \"<span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>Believe in him, and this is the\r\ngreat rip off:<\/span> <span style=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(255, 0, 0);&quot;>All religions impoverish life because\r\nthey renounce it.<\/span> <span style=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>They\r\nespecially divorce the flesh from the spirit or the mind. <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;>To me, it always seemed like this\r\ndivision is where the oppression of myself as a woman, as a lesbian, as\r\na brown woman, as a working-class woman comes in.<\/span><\/span><\/span> <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>To me religion has always upheld\r\nthe status quo; it makes institutions rigid and dogmatic\"<\/span><\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>\"Most people my age or younger have\r\nburned out and become disillusioned. It's the pits right now. <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 0);&quot;>Many young people of color have no\r\nhope<\/span>, do not see alliances working, <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 153);&quot;>do not see white people reaching out<\/span>,\r\nand do not see the <span style=&quot;color: rgb(0, 102, 0);&quot;>possibility of\r\nwhite people changing perspectives<\/span> or allowing change to come\r\ninto their lives,<\/span> <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 0, 0); font-style: italic;&quot;>but I do<\/span>\"<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>Interviewer: Well, I think\r\nthat many people do feel a powerful connection to what you wrote. And\r\nit says a great deal about how you said it, that it has this effect on\r\npeople.<\/span><br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>Anzaldua: I think what's\r\nprobably one of the riskier things that I did in Borderlands\/La\r\nFrontera was <span style=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>to open up the\r\nconcept of mestizaje, <span style=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>of the\r\nnew mestiza and hybridity,<\/span><\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;> to be non-exclusive, <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;>to be inclusive of white people<\/span><\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;> and people from other communities.<\/span>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(204, 153, 51);&quot;>And the risk was in having\r\nagain Euro-Americans take over the space.<\/span> And I don't think\r\nthat's happened very much. I think it has happened with these people\r\nwith the short-term memory who forget to cite, but I think most of the\r\ncritics and the readers have been very generous with me.<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(51, 255, 51);&quot;>\"I am playing with myself,<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 255, 51);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(51, 255, 51);&quot;>I am playing with the world's\r\nsoul,<\/span><br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(0, 153, 0);&quot;>I am the dialogue between myself\r\nand el espiritu del mundo.<\/span><br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(0, 102, 0);&quot;>I change myself,<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(0, 51, 0);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(0, 51, 0);&quot;>I change the world.\"<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>Anzaldua:<span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(204, 0, 0);&quot;> I think it began when I graduated from\r\nhigh school. <\/span>I went to college off and on--I would work a year\r\nor two and then drop out for a year or two so that I could save money\r\nso then I could go back to work. And I was doing my student teaching,\r\nand I was still working in the fields when I got my B.A., on weekends.\r\nI began to teach after I got my B.A. and I began to go to grad school\r\nto get my M.A. in the summertime when the public schools were closed. A<span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>nd I think that's when I started\r\narticulating the scholar, the philosopher,<\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(204, 0, 0);&quot;><span style=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>\r\n<\/span>the breaking away--the breaking away was after high school. And\r\nI literally left south Texas<\/span>, went to Denton, which is north of\r\nDallas, eight, nine-hundred miles--to get away from the constricted,\r\ncage-like thing in my family and my community. <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(204, 0, 0);&quot;>Then I had to leave Texas completely in\r\norder to really allow myself to become who I am<\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(204, 153, 51);&quot;>, and to experience other realities\r\nand other worlds and be part of other communities.<\/span> I had to\r\nliterally leave the state and my community. <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 204, 0);&quot;>In some ways I've become estranged\r\nfrom it; but in other ways I've become closer to it.<\/span><\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;> Interviewer: I would\r\nlike to follow up on part of what you're saying here in terms of a\r\ncomment that you made in an interview with AnnLouise Keating. You\r\nmentioned that your lesbian perspective had evolved. Can you say\r\nsomething about what that perspective means to you now, and how it\r\ninfluences your writing today?<\/span><br\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<br style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>\r\n<span style=&quot;color: rgb(192, 192, 192);&quot;>Anzaldua: <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>Yes. It has to do with the terms\r\nand labels of identity. When I was growing up in south Texas the word <\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>\"queer\"<\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;> was very much what we called these\r\npeople. Or <\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>\"de las otras<\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>,\" which means \"of the others,\"\r\nthat I wrote about in Borderlands. <\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold; color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>Marimachas and\r\nmarimachos, jotitas, jotas, tortilleras<\/span><span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 153, 153);&quot;>: these were labels and terms in\r\nthe Chicano working-class community that I grew up in. When I went and\r\nleft home and became part of the women of color community and came out\r\nas a lesbian, I started not liking to use the word <span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;>\"lesbian.\"<\/span> When I would dialogue\r\nwith myself or with other women of color, I would use <span\r\nstyle=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;>\"dyke\"<\/span> or \"queer.\" And then with\r\nChicanas I started using the word <span style=&quot;font-weight: bold;&quot;>patlache.<\/span>\r\nAnd patlache is a Nahuatl word that means \"dyke,\" \"lesbian.\" <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(102, 102, 102);&quot;>And I started seeing that what the\r\nwhite lesbian community was imposing on me was a Eurocentric view,<\/span>\r\na label that derived from Greece, Sappho, and was very white and that I\r\nwanted to articulate my queerness because it was different from their\r\nqueerness and so I needed a different kind of language. And when I came\r\nout, the only community there for me were a few Chicana dykes and the\r\nwhite lesbian community, so I embraced their books and their theories,\r\nand the way they dressed and everything. And I think all of us do this,\r\nwe go with--if you're a dyke of color and there's not enough in your\r\ncommunity, you.... So I feel very close to the white dykes, and I have\r\na love of them and their community and their art and their writing and\r\ntheir theories, <span style=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;>but it began to\r\nbe very constrictive in that I thought I was in a cage and they were\r\ndefining the bars; and I needed to break out of that cage, just like I\r\nneeded to break out of the cage of my family and the nationalistic cage\r\nof just being a Chicana and nothing more<\/span>. I didn't want to just\r\nbe a lesbian and nothing more. In the first place,<span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(51, 51, 51);&quot;> I wasn't a lesbian, because a lesbian\r\nis somebody who is white and middle class.<\/span> And <span\r\nstyle=&quot;color: rgb(153, 0, 0);&quot;>so I started chafing at the boundaries\r\nand limitations<\/span> set by the white lesbian community and I\r\nparticularly started resenting the writing agenda--if you're a dyke,\r\nyou only write about this content. So I would be put into that\r\nconstraint both by heterosexual, Eurocentric society as to what a dyke\r\nwriter was, and also by the lesbian community into what a lesbian\r\nwriter was supposed to write about and be.<br>\r\n<br>\r\n<\/span><\/span><span style=&quot;font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 153);&quot;>\"Voyager,\r\nthere are no bridges, one builds them as one walks.\"<\/span><br>\r\n<\/div>","author":"cult of anzaldua","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-05-31 08:04:07","modified":"2005-05-31 08:06:55","fileurl":""},{"id":127788,"heading":"to 1planet","article":"That &quot;Apache&quot; guy is on the MM side.","author":"cult of anzaldua","parent_id":127370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-31 08:08:50","modified":"2005-05-31 08:08:50","fileurl":""}]}