{"article":{"id":127030,"heading":"This July 4th is Flag Burning Day!","author":"Anarchist Heart","created":"2005-05-24 20:11:16","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:20","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:33:20","article":"

This July 4th is Flag Burning Day!

Every summer good Americans don their best red white and blue, and gorge themselves on beer and hotdogs to celebrate our independence from England, but from its very beginnings this country has been built on illegitimacies. The Indians helped the first few pilgrims to survive on thanksgiving and in return the colonialist settlers massacred the natives, stole their land and declared themselves sovereign. The “Fore Fathers” were the colonial American elite; they were among the richest men in the new country. The British King restricted them from taking some Indian land, so they revolted promising many of the soldiers large parcels of land in payment for fighting. Perhaps the slave holding founders had noble intentions when they constructed a system of governance that limited its own power, but even before its independence the state was just the strong-arm of big business. And since then the government has only grown more and more coercive in its aim of imposing American corporate interests everywhere it can around the world, so when the leaders talk about how “Independence Day” is all about freedom and democracy it reeks of hypocrisy. July 4th has only ever symbolized the independence of the New World royalty. So on this Fourth of July we call on you to express your feelings on their “Independence Day” by burning a flag in a nationally coordinated action. Together we will show the elite that we are everywhere and that we completely reject the false principals this holiday is based on.

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http:\/\/lists.riseup.net\/www\/info\/flagburningday<\/a>

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/lists.riseup.net\/www\/info\/flagburningday","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"\r\nEvery summer good Americans don their best red white and blue, and gorge themselves on beer and hotdogs to celebrate our independence from England, but from its very beginnings this country has been built on illegitimacies.","numcomment":57,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2005\/05\/127030.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":127037,"heading":"Oh please","article":"In a true anarchist "state" your candy asses would be killed the first day.\r\n\r\nSo have a Coke and smile and STFU.\r\n\r\n","author":"Anarchy is so cool..if you're FIFTEEN!","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-24 20:59:36","modified":"2005-05-24 20:59:36","fileurl":""},{"id":127041,"heading":"fresca","article":""The Indians helped the first few pilgrims to survive on thanksgiving and in return the colonialist settlers massacred the natives, stole their land and declared themselves sovereign. "\r\n\r\nFace it, the "nobility" of the Indians has more to do with the fact that they never entered the Bronze Age and never figured out the wheel than any spiritual bullshit we are constantly being fed about them.\r\n\r\nHad they had ANY level of technology they would have been exploiting the land like every other advanced culture.\r\n\r\nThey did however master the art of brutality and massacre as tribe on tribe atrocities were VERY commonplace.\r\n\r\nWas what happened to the Indians justified and not heinous. No.\r\n\r\nWere they the innocent noble people of leftist myth? Hardly.\r\n\r\nA simple case of natural selection and the clash of evolution against unevolution.\r\n\r\nAs far as the "illegitamacy" of America, that very notion is utterly ridiculous as legitamacy in and of itself is irrelevant with regards to the history of a nation. EVERY nations' birth is one of violent and aggresive conquest.\r\n\r\nBut then you're an "anarchist" so you clearly aren't the brightest bulb on the tree.\r\n\r\nI would suggest putting down your howard zinn tripe that you've been copying and pasting from and growing up.","author":"not quite the whole truth","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-24 21:41:01","modified":"2005-05-24 21:41:01","fileurl":""},{"id":127087,"heading":"Paint every flag Black","article":"Pull them down, paint them black and run them back up the poll.","author":"No nations No borders","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 12:01:29","modified":"2005-05-25 12:01:29","fileurl":""},{"id":127110,"heading":"Indians and technology","article":"Jared Diamond explained over a decade ago why the Indians did not develop a very advanced technology. Both North and South America lacked the natural resources to make such a development possible. There were no horses to pull heavy loads. Food was sometimes abundant but lacking in protein and other essential nutrients. The European, African and Asian crops that were later planted here simply did not exist until they were brought over in ships. Hunting of animals was very difficult and sometimes impossible in winter. There was no trade with other continents to stimulate curiosity and invention.\r\n By the way, some Indian cultures in South America did have wheels - they put them on childrens' toys. But what good would they have done on carts, without horses, buffalo or oxen to pull them, especially in hilly and mountainous areas? And while Indian tortures of captives were horrible, the percentage of the population killed in wars must have been far smaller than in Europe, because the Indians simply did not have the technology to pull off something like the Thirty Years War, the Wars of the Roses, or the Hundred Years War.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 19:00:31","modified":"2005-05-25 19:00:31","fileurl":""},{"id":127113,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da shitpile: "A simple case of natural selection..."\r\n\r\nReally? Would you mind trying to explain this comment and deny its implied racism?\r\n\r\n...y'know, without the VAST, VAST lies and distoritions?\r\n\r\nOn the other hand, forget it shitpile, you're an avowed racist so why bother asking....but it would be nice if you could grow a single curly hair on your ass and admit it instead of just hocking up another of your standard exasperated sigh posts.","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 19:29:28","modified":"2005-05-25 19:29:28","fileurl":""},{"id":127114,"heading":"fresca","article":"Jesus asshole, you have certainly learned your party lines well.\r\n\r\nTo simply acknowledge such an obvious case of natural selection (it's not always pretty you whining fool) is hardly racism. But then again, crying "racism" is all dolts like you have left. It's almost safe to say, given how you and yours are pretty much on the dead wrong side of every issue, that being called a racist by you is what all good people should stive for.\r\n\r\n","author":"parrot","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 19:36:32","modified":"2005-05-25 19:36:32","fileurl":""},{"id":127116,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"....so, I guess the short answer is; Yes, you would mind trying to explain this comment and deny its implied racism? \r\n\r\n...you are SUCH a pussy...step up or step off.\r\n\r\nAnother chance: Explain how this is an example of "natural selection" and how would you deny implying that whites are "naturally" superior is not racist.\r\n\r\n...anyone ever seen a dancing shitpile? Well, stick around folks....you won't be disappointed.","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 19:47:34","modified":"2005-05-25 19:47:34","fileurl":""},{"id":127119,"heading":"No skyscrapers in Africa","article":"Look at the mess that is Africa. Look at the mess that is Mexico. These countries no longer suffer the shackles of "White supremacy" and yet...\r\n\r\nSomeone else has created many inventions to make these into productive, useful countries, but lo, they STILL can't get it together. \r\n\r\nAll former English colonial conquests are doing OK. All French colonial conquests suck balls.\r\n\r\nDominican Republic -- English\r\nHaiti--French\r\n\r\nAs the failure that is France proves, it's not really the White skin that determines success or failure.\r\n\r\nMany factors abound, but the obvious truth is some countries are inferior to others.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC governor","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 20:44:13","modified":"2005-05-25 20:44:13","fileurl":""},{"id":127125,"heading":"Diamond","article":"Diamond's book is entitled Guns, Germs and Steel. It is hated by both reactionaries and those who romanticise so-called primitive societies.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 21:26:14","modified":"2005-05-25 21:26:14","fileurl":""},{"id":127127,"heading":"food","article":"the indians had lots of protein--buffalo, deer, moose & don't forget they were mostly the cause of the extermination of the mastodon. Their biggest problem with nutrients(if there was one) was they didn't develop agriculture. All their men went to hunt and fight wars and left the woman to the farming-wild corn-\r\nThey spent so much time fighting wars even their games like lacrosse were filled with death.","author":"Alphonse","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-25 22:04:31","modified":"2005-05-25 22:04:31","fileurl":""},{"id":127138,"heading":"fresca","article":"You can't possibly be for real asshole.\r\n\r\nSome truths are self evident. \r\n\r\nThat the whites who conquered the indians were more advanced technologically and therefore better suited to survive in a harsh violent struggle is a textbook example of natural selection.\r\n\r\nThere are simply no value judgements being made one way or the other.\r\n\r\nOf course, from your inane bottom up view of history, this means that the indians were noble victims who, but for the nefarious "whites" would be finally reaching the bronze age today peacefully and unmolested. And to acknowledge these simple observable differences in cultures is, of course, "racist" to you.\r\n\r\nLook, you have GOT to brighten up. Admittedly, I get a charge out of wiping the floor with you but you're making an ass of yourself with your tired sloganeering an obfuscation.\r\n\r\n","author":"parrot","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 00:11:29","modified":"2005-05-26 00:11:29","fileurl":""},{"id":127152,"heading":"Indians and food","article":"The Indians had no means of hunting large animals in large numbers until the arrival of the horse and the firearm. How could men on foot, for example, kill large numbers of buffalo? They were reduced to attempting to drive them off the edge of cliffs - something that did not happen every day, needless to say. And crops like corn, while they could ward off starvation, were low in both protein and vitamins. And if you think that it is easy to kill a grizzly bear without a gun, give it a try some time. The ancestors of the Indians may have killed off some species of animals in prehistoric times ( ground sloths, mastadons, and other slow-moving beasts), although this is in dispute. But the point is that these animals were already gone by the time specifically Indian cultures (such as the woodland peoples of the Northeast) developed. The ancestors of the Indians were no more Indians than the cave painters of prehistoric Europe were French or Spanish.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 12:57:55","modified":"2005-05-26 12:57:55","fileurl":""},{"id":127154,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da shitpile: "That the whites who conquered the indians were more advanced technologically and therefore better suited to survive in a harsh violent struggle is a textbook example of natural selection. "\r\n\r\nNow that you are done your self-congraduatory pontificating, answer this;\r\n\r\n....how can technological advancement be natural, unless you are implying, and I think you are, that the technological advancement of the whites was an indication of their natural intellectual superiority.\r\n\r\n..oh, and try to avoid that lame ass rhetorical trick of substituting "culture" for "race" and thinking that gets you off the racist hook.\r\n\r\n...now, let's see some more of Da Dancing shitpile!!","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 13:41:06","modified":"2005-05-26 13:41:06","fileurl":""},{"id":127156,"heading":"whites more advanced technologically","article":"Besides, this has by no means been the case throughout history. Cities, literature, written laws and a complex agricultural system existed in what is now Iraq when many Europeans were running through the woods dressed in animal skins, trying to steal eggs from birds' nests. And who would deny that China today is more advanced technologically than, say, Albania or Greece?","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 13:57:34","modified":"2005-05-26 13:57:34","fileurl":""},{"id":127158,"heading":"fresca","article":""....how can technological advancement be natural, unless you are implying, and I think you are, that the technological advancement of the whites was an indication of their natural intellectual superiority. "\r\n\r\nIntellectually superior? Absolutely. So what? Is that all that makes one race more superior to another if anything even can? I doubt it. It's simply a statement that I'll gladly make again, not caring if you can handle it or not.\r\n\r\nWhites WERE more intellectually superior with regards to technology than the indians. NO ONE can possibly even try to argue with that. Were there areas were the Indians were superior? ABsolutely. Unfortunately, not in areas that favors natural selection.\r\n\r\nWhat about this is so hard for you to accept and underrstand?\r\n\r\nWhy is any observation of facts that put one group over another in a certain area so anethma to you.\r\n\r\nFresca 3\r\nKPC 0","author":"absolutely","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 14:04:10","modified":"2005-05-26 14:04:10","fileurl":""},{"id":127160,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile: "Whites WERE more intellectually superior with regards to technology than the indians."\r\n\r\n...geez, you are such a PUSSY, and you dance like you have two left feet.\r\n\r\n...the question you keep avoiding in an effort to disguise your embarrassing racism (if you were not embarrassed, why would you "obfuscate" it?) is not whether they were intellectually superior (as I am to you, but this has nothing to do with race), but whether that superiority was natural and innate....that Native Americans as a race were inherently more intellectually inferior than Whites.\r\n\r\nIf you answer no...then you are a proven pussy and fucked up and should not have implied what you are too much of a coward to admit. \r\n\r\nIf you answer yes, then that would be a textbook example of racism.\r\n\r\n\r\nCheck....\r\n\r\n...and mate!","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 14:17:30","modified":"2005-05-26 14:17:30","fileurl":""},{"id":127164,"heading":"well , ok","article":"Showing that the very troubled fresca is a racist is like showing us that s**t stinks. Why doesn't she seek help with her issues? This is a tortured person who hates life and needs a target for her bitter hate. A pity.","author":"Natch","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 14:35:25","modified":"2005-05-26 14:35:25","fileurl":""},{"id":127176,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"....I'm looking for my dog, has anyone seen it?\r\n\r\n....it is a small, sad, defeated little delusional broke-dick doggie mutt (it thinks it is a pure bread German Shepard), always barking the same annoying bark...\r\n\r\n...answers to the name of "da shitpile"","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 16:54:22","modified":"2005-05-26 16:54:22","fileurl":""},{"id":127196,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"....shitpile?\r\n\r\n\r\n...SHHHHITTTTPIIIIILLE! Where are Yooooou?","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 18:16:08","modified":"2005-05-26 18:16:08","fileurl":""},{"id":127202,"heading":"fresca","article":""...the question you keep avoiding in an effort to disguise your embarrassing racism (if you were not embarrassed, why would you "obfuscate" it?) is not whether they were intellectually superior (as I am to you, but this has nothing to do with race), but whether that superiority was natural and innate....that Native Americans as a race were inherently more intellectually inferior than Whites. "\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nNow where was I in the lesson.\r\n\r\nOh okay. I see you're still a bit confused on the whole issue of how one race or culture or group can be more advanced than another and how the observation of this isn't racism.\r\n\r\nWhether the technological superiority of the Whites over the Indians is a matter of innate abilities is anyones guess.\r\n\r\nIt certainly does SEEM that way. But who knows. There certainly isn't anything in what we know from biology to suggest that each and every race develops at the same rate and has exactly the same strengths and weaknesses. That that is a notion which will send you into a fit of rage screaming "racism" is hardly lost on me. But if you need to hold on to the "everyone is equal" nonsense to get you through the night, don't let me stop you.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAgain, you are a textbook example of some guy who knows just enough to parrot the platitudes of a group of fools just well enough to fit in with the rest of the dolts. \r\n\r\n\r\nSo here we are again at the end of the same lesson and I still doubt that you've got it.\r\n\r\nfresca 4\r\nkpc 0\r\n","author":"Ah....","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-26 19:00:13","modified":"2005-05-26 19:00:13","fileurl":""},{"id":127315,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...You are SUCH a pussy...\r\n\r\nDid you mean to imply that whites are biologically and innately intellectually superior to Native Americans or not?\r\n\r\nYes or No?\r\n\r\n...forget it, your king has ben laid out on the board for hours, and your still sittin' by yourself movin' pawns around.\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-27 17:06:33","modified":"2005-05-27 17:06:33","fileurl":""},{"id":127443,"heading":"fresca","article":""...You are SUCH a pussy..."\r\n\r\nAnd you are so fucking stupid.\r\n\r\nOf course I'm not saying that. I'm also not saying that whites and indians are biologically and innately equal either.\r\n\r\nWhat I am saying which is clearly backed up by centuries of tangible and observable evidence is that the whites who came here were obviously better suited to winning a struggle over the dominance of this land. And moreover have proven to be much more adept at coping with and adapting to the enviroment as the world progressed.\r\n\r\n\r\nThat you are still trying to fly in the face of this with you oh so tired and meaningless cries of "racism" is clear evidence that you don't know the first fucking thing about what you are talking about.\r\n\r\nLet me aske you something. Do you belive that we are all, every race of us, completely the same in regards to ALL qualities, strengths and weaknesses. That no one race excels or fails in any one area that none of the others do? Does this question in and of itself scare you and make you "feel bad"? So answer it. Are we all exactly the same or what?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe mere fact that you assume that anyone who would point out that natural selection clearly favored the whites in this instance, as if THAT is what makes one race superior to another is not only inane but smacks of your own racist leanings. \r\n\r\nLook, this has been fun and all and a nice little exercise but, seriously, you are such a fucking leftist lemming that you simply have dropped to the level of just plain stupid. \r\n\r\nI'll be here to keep telling you this and mopping up the board with you, but you gotta realize that you are WAYYYY outa your league.","author":"LOL!","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-27 23:55:12","modified":"2005-05-27 23:55:12","fileurl":""},{"id":127499,"heading":"KPC Press Release","article":"KPC Press Corps Release \r\n

\r\nHey pal, I didn't want you to miss this message, so here it is again. Be sure to answer it upon your next visit to nazimedia: <\/I>\r\n

\r\nNever (have) heard "KPC" put two words together that would defend or support whatever it is he believes, or believes in. It's usually just been a string of uninventive obscenities.<\/B>\r\n

\r\nAround here OEM, you've criticized everyone and everything, but never a few words about what YOU would do to fix or make things better. At least Meyer and others have a philosophy and ideas of some sort. \r\n

\r\nNo need to wear out your keyboard. Even a few words would be helpful. \r\n

\r\nLet's see if you know how to do it better, or if you're just another attention whore. <\/B>\r\n","author":"get in the ring","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-05-28 14:24:32","modified":"2005-05-28 14:24:32","fileurl":""},{"id":127509,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile: "Of course I'm not saying that."\r\n\r\nI know you didn't "say" that, you implied it. You "said" that it was a good example of natural selection...which is completely incorrect. Natural selection means that a given species is by nature or biology superior to another, and given an equal natural environment one would be more likely to succeed. The environment that may have favored whites over Native Americans was social, not natural. \r\n\r\nAs far as Native Americans or whites being "exactly the same"; this is a bullshit strawman argument you construct to avoid your racist implication. No one is exactly the same in ability, but humans as a species are the same in capabilities, baring any physical abnormalities. The differences in ability have absolutely NOTHING to do with race. This has been proven many times over....it's just idiots like you who try to cling to some distorted reasoning indicating otherwise so you can feel superior to others while you languish in you sorry ass existence.\r\n\r\nThe corpse that you are digging up used be referred to as "Social Darwinism"....long ago discredited.\r\n\r\n\r\nNow let me ask you a question, shitpile....why do you seem to take such offense at being called a racist but take such relish in posting racist comments about Arabs and Muslims?","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 15:17:32","modified":"2005-05-28 15:17:32","fileurl":""},{"id":127511,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"teech: "... a few words about what YOU would do to fix or make things better."\r\n\r\n\r\n....yes, let me string together a few words on how I would fix the world or make it better...\r\n\r\n\r\n...could you narrow the topic down a bit, teech? I don't have the time and you don't have the attention span...","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 15:24:07","modified":"2005-05-28 15:24:07","fileurl":""},{"id":127520,"heading":"KPC Awareness Week","article":"...could you narrow the topic down a bit, teech? I don't have the time and you don't have the attention span...<\/I><\/B>\r\n

\r\nCharming to the last. \r\n

\r\nYou're good at pointing out what you think is wrong with everything but offer no solutions. How about offering something more than pathological hatred (there'll be plenty of time for 'shitpiling' later).\r\n

\r\nHere's a simple one: how would you change the tax system, and why?\r\n

\r\nNothing fancy. Sum it up in a few paragraphs or even sentences. \r\n

\r\nKeep the income tax?
\r\nChange to flat tax?
\r\nRaise taxes?
\r\nLower taxes?
\r\nOther?\r\n

\r\n","author":"KPC Awareness Week","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-05-28 16:01:49","modified":"2005-05-28 16:01:49","fileurl":""},{"id":127529,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Here's a simple one: how would you change the tax system, and why? - EVERYONE PAYS THIER FAIR SHARE..WHY NOT?\r\n\r\nKeep the income tax? - YES\r\n\r\nChange to flat tax? - NO\r\n\r\nRaise taxes? - YES\r\n\r\nLower taxes? - YES\r\n\r\nOther? - YES\r\n\r\n\r\n...are you a happy wingnut now?","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 16:29:46","modified":"2005-05-28 16:29:46","fileurl":""},{"id":127531,"heading":"Technology","article":"Technology is a social product. It's never created alone.\r\n\r\nThe level of technology a society has doesn't indicate its "intelligence." There are geniuses in every society. The issue is what they end up doing in society, and what society deems valuable.","author":"johnk","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 16:37:35","modified":"2005-05-28 16:37:35","fileurl":""},{"id":127545,"heading":"The ABCs of KPC","article":"You're a better antagonist than comedian. \r\n\r\nResume shitpiling and expect no mercy.\r\n","author":"KPC Awareness Network","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-28 17:43:31","modified":"2005-05-28 17:43:31","fileurl":""},{"id":127598,"heading":"Please","article":""why do you seem to take such offense at being called a racist"\r\n\r\nPlease. don't flatter yourself. I've been called all of your SOP invectives and belive me, offense is absolutely the last thing I'd take away from that.\r\nAs I've said numerous times before, being called a racist by the likes of you is damn near a badge of honor in that all it means is that I've ruffled your feathers and forced you into the same tired corner you always wind up in.\r\n\r\nNo...I take no offense at being called a racist from you. There are those who could call me that and i would be taken aback. But these are people, on the left and right, who I consider friends and aren't simply lemmings.\r\n\r\nAs far as my distrust and underwhelming opinion of islam, so be it. I certainly have nothing against muslims as individuals but I do find something wrong with a "religion" that systematically, overtly and damn near officially not only condones but designs and calls for the deaths of those who don't believe in their "religion". And please save your breath. NO other religion has done anything remotely like that for centuries.\r\n\r\nSo getting back to the indians. Please tell me, what is the latest politically correct and Non-racist way to observe the huge discrepency between the advances of the white culture and the native american culture that led to the overwhelming defeat of the indigenous people. If not natural selection which I, of course, still maintain this is an example of. Bearing in mind that the greed and aggression of the white settlers , while abhoreent, is also one of the components of their selection.\r\n\r\nIf the pilgrims had just set up camp and waited on the shores of the east Coast, would the native Americans eventually have evolved to at least having, oh say, the wheel? And if the natural tendency for the whites to expand their territory and move west met with a surb=vival struggle with the indians, why is this not natural selection? Surely the strengths and advances developed by the whites over time, however heinous and greedy the bastards were, were the same strengths which favored them in this survival struggle.\r\n\r\nCall it what you will, but I hardly see your silly and kneejerk cries of racism at all warranted\r\n\r\nBut I'm sure that wo'nt change your mind. I'm not sure that you even have a mind capable of changing.\r\n\r\nAnyway, enough of this. I'm in Vegas and I'm going to sleep and play baseball for the next three days. Wish us luck.","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-05-29 02:16:34","modified":"2005-05-29 02:16:34","fileurl":""},{"id":127951,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile: "If not natural selection which I, of course, still maintain this is an example of. "\r\n\r\njeez, I thought you'd NEVER stop dancing.\r\n\r\nHere's the deal...you can still maintain it is an example of natural selection, but you are wrong, there is nothing "natural" about it. The defeat of the Native Americans shows that the whites had superior military power, which is, of course, absolutely NO indication of any "natural" selection or biological superiority. \r\n\r\nAll the rest of your bullshit is just that...bullshit. You may still go through great lengths to equivocate (there goes that "culture" switch that republican love so much), but you are obviously a racist in denial. And when it comes to Arabs, you don't even deny it, as you have many times called for their extermination.\r\n\r\n...face it, shitpile, with all your self-congratulatory wankings and rhetorical dance recital....you just got your ass handed to you.\r\n\r\n....class dismissed....","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 13:47:52","modified":"2005-06-02 13:47:52","fileurl":""},{"id":127954,"heading":"fresca","article":""Here's the deal...you can still maintain it is an example of natural selection, but you are wrong, there is nothing "natural" about it. The defeat of the Native Americans shows that the whites had superior military power, which is, of course, absolutely NO indication of any "natural" selection or biological superiority."\r\n\r\nI have to admit I never get tired of getting you all worked up into a leftist lemming froth. You'll have to excuse my weakness for certain easy targets.\r\n\r\nLook, it's no secret that I think you're a fool and I have to say I find you're claim of ever digging VU to be highly unlikely, but, be that as it may, I don't think that even YOU actually believe the nonsense you're so desperately clinging to.\r\n\r\nOF COURSE it's "natural" that the whites were more advanced. What the hell else would account for it? Paranormal involvement? Divine intervention? And why do you maintain that the acknowledgement of their clear superiority in the areas that allowed them to conquer the Indians is a testament to them being BETTER people? It's not. \r\n\r\nI know it absolutely kills you people to even suggest that one race or culture may have strengths differing from other groups but it clearly is so. What's so annoying to people like me is your kneejerk, closeminded reaction that this is some sort of value judgement and therefore racist.\r\n\r\nYou simply can't be that stupid for real. Then again, I can 't conceive of what you get out of your complete allegience to virtually EVERY nonsensical, and dimwitted idea floated down the goofy river of leftist "thinking". maybe you ARE simply an idiot savant who can type.\r\n\r\nAs for the Arabs, i'm not a fan. If not particullary digging a certain GROUP of people and their culture makes me a racist, so be it. I guess it's pretty much the same as with you and White Republicans or Christians. I guess we're racists together.\r\n\r\nThat said, I've never called for the extinction of all Arabs.\r\n\r\nAll Islamists, absolutely.\r\nIslam as a philosophy. Absolutely\r\n\r\nBut All Arabs and ALL muslims. No way.\r\n\r\nBut you already knew that.\r\n\r\nBullseye!","author":"Bullseye!","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 15:33:15","modified":"2005-06-02 15:33:15","fileurl":""},{"id":127956,"heading":"Keeping Score","article":"So far the intellectual score here is Fresca 98, KPC 0","author":"Impartial Observer","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-02 15:35:51","modified":"2005-06-02 15:35:51","fileurl":""},{"id":128065,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile: "If not particullary digging a certain GROUP of people and their culture makes me a racist, so be it. "\r\n\r\nUmm, so be it then...you are a racist.\r\n\r\n\r\n...coulda save a lot of time if you just grew a single hair on your ass and admitted it...saved yourself a lot of smug spittle...\r\n\r\n....er...excuse me, I forgot...it's their CULTURE you hate..not their race...so your a CULTURALIST...or maybe just a provincial ethnocentric twit. You gotta get out and about more, shitpile....there's a lot more to the world than the glow of the CRT in mommy's basement.\r\n\r\nGot a scenario for you, dingleberry;\r\nWe get in an argument, you pull a knife, I pull a gun and give you a serious case of lead poisoning. By your definition, that would be a good example of natural selection.\r\n\r\nYes or No...if No, how is the scenario different than the one you presented?\r\n\r\nAnd as far as VU and Lou...believe what you will...you can kiss my boots of shiny SHINY leather!","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-03 17:17:50","modified":"2005-06-03 17:17:50","fileurl":""},{"id":128071,"heading":"Who's the racist?","article":"KPC, you' re the biggest racist going here...if not, you're at least as bad as the mildest ones.\r\n\r\nGomer Pyle beats Shit Pile any year!\r\n\r\n","author":"CPK","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-03 18:36:55","modified":"2005-06-03 18:36:55","fileurl":""},{"id":128079,"heading":"fresca","article":""We get in an argument, you pull a knife, I pull a gun and give you a serious case of lead poisoning. By your definition, that would be a good example of natural selection."\r\n\r\nIf I show up with a knife because I come from a group of people who have advanced only far enough to have developed weapons and defenses on the level of a stick of iron nailed to a piece of wood, while everyone else has developed the firearm, then yes, by all means it's natural selection.\r\n\r\nAnd, just curious, since your are the antithesis of a racist, you're telling me that you absolutely dig and admire EVERY diverse group of people out there right? Just love them all.\r\n\r\nBullshit. You'd be the first.","author":"Back to school","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-03 19:47:37","modified":"2005-06-03 19:47:37","fileurl":""},{"id":128282,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile: If I show up with a knife because I come from a group that is superior cause blah blah blah..."\r\n\r\nLook, you lost. GIve it a rest, there will be many more tunes to dance badly to in the future.\r\n\r\nmore dancing from da shitpile :"And, just curious, since your are the antithesis of a racist, you're telling me that you absolutely dig and admire EVERY diverse group of people out there right? Just love them all. "\r\n\r\n...well, I think you and people like you are shitpiles...what group do you belong to so I can continue the generalization?\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 13:40:35","modified":"2005-06-07 13:40:35","fileurl":""},{"id":128283,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da shitpile....\r\n\r\n\r\nAww...sweet nothing....ain't got nothin' at alll....\r\n\r\n\r\n...ain't got nothing at all....ain't got nothin' at all.","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 13:42:49","modified":"2005-06-07 13:42:49","fileurl":""},{"id":128328,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"where IS that dancing shitpile anyway? I'm jonesin' for some E! over here....\r\n\r\nI\u2019m searching for my mainer\r\nI said I couldn\u2019t hit it sideways\r\nI said I couldn\u2019t hit it sideways\r\nJust like sister ray said\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 19:33:04","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:29","fileurl":""},{"id":128329,"heading":"ROFL","article":"KPC...It's taken you days to get back to this thread only to see that I have again handed you your head. Your knife in a gun fight analogy utterly blew up in your face and you know it. It IS a perfect example of natural selection if the knife weilder is still clinging to arcane technology while everyone has evolved and moved forward.\r\n\r\nAnd nice work with the VU c&p.\r\n\r\nI'm just a gift to the KPC's of the world.\r\n\r\nMy hitting streak continues. ","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 19:43:51","modified":"2005-06-07 19:43:51","fileurl":""},{"id":128333,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Are you kidding me!?!?!? The only way you could force the scenario I presented into an example of natural selection was to try to put it into some sorta racial\/cultural advancement bullshit...when all it was was a guy with a knife and a guy with a gun...same as it was with the European and Native Americans.\r\n\r\n...now explain to me, why are you proud of a .000 batting average?\r\n\r\nY'know, I am tired, I am weary of kickin' you ASS post after post...but if you are inclined to place your ASS on the T once again, I think I've got more foot left.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 20:07:31","modified":"2005-06-07 20:07:31","fileurl":""},{"id":128337,"heading":"kpc, kpc, kpc","article":"Really, what do you get out of parading your stupidity around time after time again?\r\n\r\nYour scenario proved my point perfectly and you know it. To try and salvage you argument by claiming my refutation was, what are you saying now, "culturalist", is just palin embarrassing.\r\n\r\nJust because a case of natural selection doesn't "feel" good to you doesn't mean it's not valid.\r\n\r\nYour bottom up view of the world is getting you nowhere quick.\r\n\r\nDo you have ANY original thoughts?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 20:35:16","modified":"2005-06-07 20:35:16","fileurl":""},{"id":128343,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da dancing shitpile : "Your scenario proved my point perfectly "\r\n\r\nReally? Let me see, you said;\r\n\r\n"It IS a perfect example of natural selection if the knife weilder is still clinging to arcane technology while everyone has evolved and moved forward."\r\n\r\n\r\nSo my scenario is an example of natural selection only "IF" you can related it to race in some tenuous way? Geez, you are LAME, LAME LAME!\r\n\r\nAnd what are you talking about 'clinging to arcan technology'? You pulled a knife, I pulled a gun. I am not sure you pulled a knife because you decided to stubbornly cling to an arcane technology, or because that is what you happened to have at the time. Are you trying to tell me that it is only natural selection if we can interview the participant afterward and evaluate the motivation behind their choice of weapons?\r\n\r\n...that is, of course, only if we happen to be of different races, because if we are of the same race, according to your poor excuse for an arguement, it would not be a case of natural selection.\r\n\r\n...now someone please say a word for da shitpile\r\nShe can\u2019t tell the night from the day","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-07 20:52:52","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:29","fileurl":""},{"id":128372,"heading":"exactly","article":""So my scenario is an example of natural selection only "IF" you can related it to race in some tenuous way? Geez, you are LAME, LAME LAME!"\r\n\r\nIn so many words, yours I might add, YES.\r\n\r\nAs your scenario was clearly a distillation of the original discussion which had the Indians losing a bout of natural selection to the Europeans simply because they had not the skills, or technology to compete in such a struggle.\r\n\r\nWhich is clearly natural selection and which clearly parrelels my response to your hypothetical. YOU WOULD have been naturally selected if I had the knife and you had the gun simply because your group, culture, what have you was more advanced than mine.\r\n\r\nSo for the fourth or fifth time you continue to prove my point.\r\n\r\nCare to try and prove me right from yet another angle?\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 00:41:22","modified":"2005-06-08 00:41:22","fileurl":""},{"id":128416,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Well, you're wrong again...my scenario...my rules...you and me...no "Indians" (fuckin' throwback) and no "Europeans". You and me...knife and gun.\r\n\r\nI think I know your problem, shitpile....you wanna be me. That explains it....pure envy. But, hey, I understand...and I can help end your self-contempt..\r\n\r\n\r\nI'll be your mirror, reflect what you are, 'cause obviously you don't know. \r\n\r\nInside you\u2019re twisted and unkind. Let me stand to show that you are blind. Please put down your hands\r\n\u2019cause I see you...+\r\n\r\n...and I do...","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 13:37:25","modified":"2013-11-11 00:33:30","fileurl":""},{"id":128421,"heading":"Embarrassing","article":""Well, you're wrong again...my scenario...my rules...you and me...no "Indians" (fuckin' throwback) and no "Europeans". You and me...knife and gun."\r\n\r\nKPC, this is getting very tired. You continue to get your head handed to you on every single post and you keep coming back for more. So I'll hand it to you, at least regarding this thread, one last time.\r\n\r\nYour scenario AND your rules are clearly pedicated by the subject at hand, namely the fact that the Indians ( yes, Indians you whiny PC bitch) were not as advanced as the Europeans and thus natural selection favored the Whites.\r\n\r\nIt's very simple.\r\n\r\nSo either you can finally accept that you continue to be wrong and that my response to your gun\/knife fight was spot on OR you can claim that your scenario was a complete non-sequitor in which case my answer to your fantasy of shooting me ( I can hardly hold back a fit of embarrassment that I'm even discussing this with you again) while I weild a knife is, okay, uh, I guess you'd win. (head shaking in dismay).\r\n\r\nThe point is, you're fucking wrong and you're too much of a fucking pussy to admit it.\r\n\r\nHere it all is in a nutshell, regardless of how it makes you FEEL.\r\n\r\nThe INDIANS were not advanced enough to win a struggle with a much more technologically advanced group of European invaders. They weren'y even in the Bronze Age yet and stood no chance against a predator who had clearly passed them by long, long ago. \r\n\r\nIf that's not natural selection then it simply doesn't exist. ","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 13:56:02","modified":"2005-06-08 13:56:02","fileurl":""},{"id":128424,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...the discussion ended here;\r\n\r\nda goose-stepping-tap-dancing SHITPILE: "If not particullary digging a certain GROUP of people and their culture makes me a racist, so be it. " "\r\n\r\nYou are an admitted racist.\r\n\r\nEND \r\n\r\nOF \r\n\r\nDISCUSSION\r\n\r\n...everything else is just me in my big boots of SHINY SHINY leather kickin' da shitpile around a bit for fun! You ALWAYS come back for more, and I always have more foot....\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 14:02:17","modified":"2005-06-08 14:02:17","fileurl":""},{"id":128425,"heading":"Brothers","article":""If not particullary digging a certain GROUP of people and their culture makes me a racist, so be it. " "\r\n\r\nYou are an admitted racist. "\r\n\r\nIt's hard to believe it, but for once wer'e on the same team.\r\n\r\nI guess we'll be racists together.\r\n\r\nI got no problem with that, as long as that's the defintion of racism we're using. Hell, NO ONE likes every other group. That makes pretty much EVERYONE racist.\r\n\r\nAnd of course, it's still good to know where you satnd on the illegal immigrant front.\r\n\r\nOpen Borders man I guess, heh?\r\n\r\nWhat a fool.","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 14:08:18","modified":"2005-06-08 14:08:18","fileurl":""},{"id":128428,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"SOFT SHOE SHITPILE: "I guess we'll be racists together. "\r\n\r\n...whaddaya got a mouse in your pocket? Speak for yourself, Mr. Fecal Astair.","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 14:16:56","modified":"2005-06-08 14:16:56","fileurl":""},{"id":128432,"heading":"Absolutely","article":"No. You and the rest of the world are with me on this one.\r\n\r\nBy your own admission, ...\r\n\r\n" more dancing from da shitpile :"And, just curious, since your are the antithesis of a racist, you're telling me that you absolutely dig and admire EVERY diverse group of people out there right? Just love them all. "\r\n\r\n...well, I think you and people like you are shitpiles...what group do you belong to so I can continue the generalization? "\r\n\r\nthere are groups you despise. Republicans, for example AND their culture. You've thrown tantrums over them for ages around here.\r\n\r\nYup, I can safely speak for both of us on this one.\r\n\r\nYou know, I'm pretty much cleaning the floor with you all over the board today.","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 14:26:17","modified":"2005-06-08 14:26:17","fileurl":""},{"id":128434,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...I'm a 'racist' because I think Republicans are shitpiles? \r\n\r\nGeez, get thee to a dictionary, shitpile.\r\n\r\nYou really are an idiot aren't you?\r\n\r\nWell, they said the answer was to become a dancer,\r\nHold your head high.","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 14:36:28","modified":"2005-06-08 14:36:28","fileurl":""},{"id":128438,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"....looks like da shitpile wiggled and waggle away while writing in the crushing grip of reason...\r\n\r\n\r\n...awww, pobrecita.....Sana, Sana, Colita de Rana!","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 15:13:43","modified":"2005-06-08 15:13:43","fileurl":""},{"id":128440,"heading":"Absolutely","article":""...I'm a 'racist' because I think Republicans are shitpiles?"\r\n\r\nAbsolutely...by your definition. You claim that my not digging every other group or culture made me a racist. Well, by that definition, yours of course, your hatred of Republicans and their culture puts you in that category as well.\r\n\r\nYou made the bed. Sleep in it.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 15:20:43","modified":"2005-06-08 15:20:43","fileurl":""},{"id":128442,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...so what race is Republican? In one sentence without the typical shitpile blah blah\r\n\r\n...but if you do a good jig here and there is a penny it if for you...but something tells me that shitpile can't dance...She says she can't do it anymore...","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 15:29:21","modified":"2005-06-08 15:29:21","fileurl":""},{"id":128456,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...face it shitpile, you are still bringing a knife to a gun fight...you are totally outmatched and outclassed...disposing your flaccid points is as difficult as flicking a dried booger.\r\n\r\n....the best you can hope for is to declare victory and slink away to immerse yourself in your delusions...","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 17:10:22","modified":"2005-06-08 17:10:22","fileurl":""},{"id":128469,"heading":"You tell me","article":""...so what race is Republican? In one sentence without the typical shitpile blah blah"\r\n\r\nYou tell me.\r\n\r\nYOU are the one who defined racism as "not liking every single other culture or group", not me.\r\n\r\nRepublican are a group and they have their own distinct culture so I guess that makes you a racist, given YOUR definition.\r\n\r\nIsn't there a slaughter rule or something here? I'm just running up the score now.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 17:41:20","modified":"2005-06-08 17:41:20","fileurl":""},{"id":128473,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...who am I, fuckin' Webster?\r\n\r\n...OK, you declared your victory amid humiliating defeat...but you just couldn't stay slinked in you corner with your delusions, you just HAD to come back for more kickin'...\r\n\r\nLook, you admitted to being a racist...that's a positive thing. The first step toward solving your problem is to admit you have a problem...don't fuck it up now...don't fall back on Racist Grammar 101 bullshit...it just embarrassing...But I know...the road to recovery is hard and full of backsliders...you become confused...How can you tell a good act from the bad\r\nwhen you can't even remember your name (shitpile, in case you needed reminding)? How can you do what needs to be done, when your a follower not a leader?\r\n\r\n...don't worry...lt's Just a Temporary Thing.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":127030,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-06-08 17:51:25","modified":"2005-06-08 17:51:25","fileurl":""}]}