The person posting as Nat Vanner, Paul E Anna, Uday Jones, Jerry Niggardly, protestwarrior.com, gay related imm..., unnacceptable, Webguider, Hans Glans, CIT Rain, and Inherit the Windex, appears to be from the same IP address. (An earthlink dialup.)
This person is a troll. Sometimes, he's posing as a conservative, and other times, as a neo-nazi promoter of the National Vanguard and National Alliance, a fascist group.
Huey Long was right. When fascism comes to America, it'll pose as patriotism.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Nat Vanner, Hans Glans, Webguider are all the same fascist troll abusing the newswire.","numcomment":15,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2004\/07\/114548.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":114552,"heading":"what?","article":"I post under all kinds of different handles myself. Will I be chastised also if I use this tactic to be the only ten people who ever post here? ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-22 22:11:40","modified":"2004-07-22 22:11:40","fileurl":""},{"id":114553,"heading":"Nice try","article":"For what it's worth, and given the content of the aforementioned posts, it's probably not much but I must say that I did not write the above.\r\n\r\nFrom time to time we have posted hashes of IP's and have implemented the ignore feature but we haven't, as of yet, resorted to "outing" posts who come from identical IP's under different monikers.\r\n\r\nAgain, for what it's worth.","author":"johnk","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-22 22:46:51","modified":"2004-07-22 22:46:51","fileurl":""},{"id":114555,"heading":"troll?","article":"troll: one who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing arguments<\/I>\r\n
\r\nThe difference between the disbanded consortium and a troll is, a troll has no point and just throws insults. \r\n
\r\nI and my colleagues refuse to be pigeon-holed. I've watched conservatives be branded as "nazis" whether or not they embrace national socialism (we don't).\r\nHow ironic that when those you hate most are brought to your attention, there's difficulty debating them. Facts are facts, no matter the source. You can't ignore facts that disagree with your worldview and simply expect to be believed. That goes for ALL sides. \r\n
\r\nFunny how there's so much sucking up here to this guy Sherman Austin, who preaches a violent overthrow of the government, and holy hell is raised when the FBI seizes his computers. But when a dissenting opinion appears here SOUND THE ALARM. Up till this day, you were not guilty of hypocrisy.\r\n
\r\nYou NEED us even more than we need you. You won't "grow" by just preaching to the choir. 97% of the traffic here is "lively" debate and the other 3% dumb insults, from BOTH sides, and quickly forgotten as a waste of energy.\r\n
\r\nThe disbanded consortium holds no allegiance to any particular group. Tomorrow the Sierra Club may have a vital message and we'll preach (to) that. \r\n
\r\nSo, a big hats off to you, but ideas will never die. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"disbanded consortium","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2004-07-22 23:03:05","modified":"2004-07-22 23:03:05","fileurl":""},{"id":114556,"heading":"-You NEED us-","article":"Wow. That's like my cat wondering why I pee in its water bowl and close the lid after. Wow.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-23 00:31:39","modified":"2004-07-23 00:31:39","fileurl":""},{"id":114558,"heading":"notes","article":"I didn't post the comment above. They are my words, though -- I posted them some time ago, and, at the time, they were true. Today, they are not. And the reason why I brought the issue up was because this person posting fascist, racist material was spamming the newswire. There were probably a dozen or so repeated posts.\r\n\r\nAlso, this particular person would post under one name, then reply to the same post using different personae, then post the racist material. There's nothing "illegal" with this, but, the whole point of the thread is to get a discussion about race started, so that the "dissenter" can "legitimately" put up their racist hate propaganda because it's ostensibly on topic.\r\n\r\nAnyway, I'm dropping away from moderating on IMC due to limited time, so, I figured, why not go out with a bang.\r\n\r\nI think there's really nothing "wrong" with posting under multiple names. It's just annoying. But, I do think there's something wrong with race-baiting, neo-fascism, and white supremacy.","author":"johnk","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-23 03:12:28","modified":"2004-07-23 03:12:28","fileurl":""},{"id":114562,"heading":"well take care, johnk","article":"I appreciate all the work and time you've spent at the board for the simple return of pleasure of having folks wank at you. Thanks.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-23 09:37:46","modified":"2004-07-23 09:37:46","fileurl":""},{"id":114578,"heading":"S1W","article":"I think there's really nothing "wrong" with posting under multiple names. It's just annoying. But, I do think there's something wrong with race-baiting, neo-fascism, and white supremacy.<\/I>\r\n
\r\nWhy? There's nothing wrong with race-baiting and neo-fascism when YOU do it. As for the last one, it's no secret that only non-whites are allowed to have a "unique culture."\r\n
\r\nThere's nothing more pathetic than a self-hating white liberal, except those in denial. \r\n
\r\nWe reap what we sow. Calling conservatives "nazis" whenever they disagree with your socialist dogma is so 2003. \r\n
\r\nIt would be great to see leftists live in the world their corrupt policies create, without the Right there to change their diapers. \r\n\r\n","author":"Sherm N. Caustic","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2004-07-24 02:37:55","modified":"2005-08-15 02:59:43","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2004\/07\/b_h.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2004\/07\/b_h.jpg"}},{"id":114586,"heading":"thanks Sheepdog","article":"I'll still be around now and then.\r\n\r\nI'll pick a moniker or two and post stories and comments too.","author":"johnk","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-24 06:08:11","modified":"2004-07-24 06:08:11","fileurl":""},{"id":114587,"heading":"duh","article":"Excuse me - I've never posted a racist anti-White article on this site, not even using aliases. In fact, I've hidden a handful of White-bashing comments. We've hidden hate speech from one well known Chicano racist group. Most racist comments, though, are left up as-is.\r\n\r\nThe big difference with you, is, you're a fascist. I don't mean it as in "Bush is a fascist" (another thing I don't think I've ever written) but more like "Mussolini was a Fascist". You are a fascist.\r\n\r\nAnother thing. I'm not white. I am not even mixed. I'm what some would call an "Integrationist." I'm a person of color, and look like one, and have been harrassed by your kind. So, I take fascism and nationalism seriously, because it inspires people to kill.\r\n\r\nThat guy who shot up the Jewish people and murdered the Filipino mail carrier - he is one of you. The gang that killed the African dude in Oregon a decade ago was one of you. You burn crosses and flags on lawns. Yours is a movement of hate and murder. You are terrorists.\r\n\r\nYou give white people a bad name.\r\n\r\nNo amount of sucking at the Dick of Bush will give you legitimacy.\r\n\r\nAnyone who'd take your ideas seriously needs to have his head examined. Something's not quite right, when people embrace hate, and find in it, a reason to live.\r\n\r\nBy the way, did you know that Finns and Hungarians are partly Mongolian? You should delete those groups off your site.","author":"johnk","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-24 06:32:01","modified":"2004-07-24 06:32:01","fileurl":""},{"id":114608,"heading":"racist left strikes again","article":"Excuse me - I've never posted a racist anti-White article on this site, not even using aliases. In fact, I've hidden a handful of White-bashing comments. We've hidden hate speech from one well known Chicano racist group. Most racist comments, though, are left up as-is. <\/I>\r\n
\r\nThe left is inherently racist\u2026against Whitey. All the more pathetic since without Whitey to blame and extort, other races might have to take a really long, hard look in the mirror, a la Cosby. Exposing the failures of other races doesn\u2019t make one a racist, only a historian. Whitey 'invented' the First Amendment and has nothing to hide. The Russians who fought for Communism and killed 100 million worldwide were White. We call bullshit wherever we see it. \r\n
\r\nThe big difference with you, is, you're a fascist. I don't mean it as in "Bush is a fascist" (another thing I don't think I've ever written) but more like "Mussolini was a Fascist". You are a fascist.<\/I> \r\n
\r\nIt would be easy to pigeon-hole others that way, but you know real life is not so, ahem, black-n-White. A real<\/I> fascist would simply demand opposing ideas be silenced (you know, like the left--other than you--constantly does) and campaign for the annihilation of the opponents themselves. We don't. \r\n
\r\nAnother thing. I'm not White. I am not even mixed. I'm what some would call an "Integrationist." I'm a person of color, and look like one, and have been harrassed by your kind. So, I take fascism and nationalism seriously, because it inspires people to kill. \r\n
\r\nWe wonder what inspires all the "Black on White" crime, so out of proportion to Blacks' percentage of the population. And why it is also hidden away by the media, just like the Wichita Massacre. \r\n
\r\nWe never said you were White. Bear in mind, you also don\u2019t know what WE look like. Maybe we\u2019re also dark-skinned, and outraged that the Wichita murder case was \u201chidden\u201d the way YOU hide disagreeable posts (we respect your right to do so). We're also not a representative or emissary for "all" Whites. \r\n
\r\nThat guy who shot up the Jewish people and murdered the Filipino mail carrier - he is one of you. The gang that killed the African dude in Oregon a decade ago was one of you. You burn crosses and flags on lawns. Yours is a movement of hate and murder. You are terrorists.<\/I> \r\n
We are law-abiding, those other "whites" we're not. We're NOT the same. What about the "two of you" who killed the five Whites in Wichita? You still don\u2019t get it. We are everyone and no one. Besides, while you probably consider yourself \u201creasonable\u201d there are thousands more kooky leftists who link White Presidents with Hitler and accuse other White historical heroes of being genocidal manicas. \r\nYou give White people a bad name.<\/I> \r\n
No. That\u2019s the left\u2019s job. That shit-for-brains that shot up the Jews and Pinoy didn\u2019t torture and murder 5 people like the two animals in Wichita.\r\n
\r\nNo amount of sucking at the Dick of Bush will give you legitimacy. <\/I>\r\n
\r\nSame to you, only replace \u201cBush\u201d with \u201cMarx.\u201d\r\n
\r\nAnyone who'd take your ideas seriously needs to have his head examined. Something's not quite right, when people embrace hate, and find in it, a reason to live.<\/I> \r\n
\r\nYou are clearly an anti-White bigot, perhaps with 'good' reason, who knows. And while we don't accuse you (or your impostor) directly, take a real good look around here. Hatred of the right in general, popular talk radio hosts, cops, veterans and "the rich" is par for the course. Don't preach to US about hatred as a "lifestyle." \r\n
\r\nWhat ideas have we fomented except that Whites should be proud of their history and avoid destruction? If you have a problem with black crime statistics, go blame the DOJ for reporting them, if not the criminals themselves. Same for the number of AIDS cases. \r\n
\r\nWe don\u2019t need to preach violence. If simply advocating withdrawing aid to non-White parasites results in their own self-destruction, then whose fault is it if they can\u2019t cut it in this society? Not ours.\r\n
\r\nBy the way, did you know that Finns and Hungarians are partly Mongolian? You should delete those groups off your site.\r\n
\r\nThanks, but we don\u2019t need a history lesson from Marxist cheerleaders. Pro-White doesn\u2019t always mean anti-other. No two socialists are alike, so no need to expect the same conformity from your ideological opponents. \r\n
\r\nWe may or may not be members of any one group, the same way wearing a black shirt doesn't necessarily make one an anarchist.\r\n
\r\nP.S. Maybe the so-called Whites who gave you crap personally didn't care about your skin, only the politics of the sign you were carrying.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Sherm N. Caustic","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2004-07-24 20:17:05","modified":"2013-11-11 00:30:26","fileurl":""},{"id":114609,"heading":"wow","article":"wow\r\nthe Troll pole\r\nspank you.\r\n","author":"wow","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-24 20:25:56","modified":"2004-07-24 20:25:56","fileurl":""},{"id":114613,"heading":"hey dipnerd","article":"you spelled 'wow' backwards.\r\n\r\nidiot.\r\n\r\n","author":"Bless Nader","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2004-07-24 23:50:27","modified":"2005-08-15 02:59:44","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2004\/07\/hh.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2004\/07\/hh.jpg"}},{"id":114674,"heading":"fascists don't call themselves that anymore","article":"\r\nIt would be easy to pigeon-hole others that way, but you know real life is not so, ahem, black-n-White. A real fascist would simply demand opposing ideas be silenced (you know, like the left--other than you--constantly does) and campaign for the annihilation of the opponents themselves. We don't. \r\n<\/i>\r\n\r\nA real fascist wouldn't call themselves "fascist" anymore. That name's been exhausted and totally defamed.\r\n\r\nThe current name for fascism is "white nationalism" or nativism.\r\n\r\nFascism isn't a "left" or "right" political philosophy. It is anti-internationalist, and, right now, the internationalists are on the left. It scapegoats a minority group as the cause of national troubles.\r\n\r\nCaustic is a fascist. (s)he is a white nationalist who scapegoats black people.","author":"more rational","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-26 16:35:48","modified":"2004-07-26 16:35:48","fileurl":""},{"id":114690,"heading":"racist left strikes again again","article":"A real fascist wouldn't call themselves "fascist" anymore. That name's been exhausted and totally defamed. \r\n\r\n@@@ Then tell it to leftists cause they haven't got the word yet.\r\n\r\nThe current name for fascism is "white nationalism" or nativism. \r\n\r\n@@@ But not black nationalism or Jewish nationalism. Just "white" nationalism.\r\n\r\nFascism isn't a "left" or "right" political philosophy. It is anti-internationalist, and, right now, the internationalists are on the left. It scapegoats a minority group as the cause of national troubles. \r\n\r\n@@@ If pointing out facts about the disproportionate crime and disease (and demostrably low IQs) of a particular race is "racist" then what of it? Facts are facts, so trying to hide the obvious can also be considered racist.\r\n","author":"Precinct 113","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-27 02:51:35","modified":"2004-07-27 02:51:35","fileurl":""},{"id":114743,"heading":"concession","article":""But not black nationalism or Jewish nationalism. Just "white" nationalism. "\r\n\r\nBlack and Jewish nationalism can also become fascism. Generally, though, there's fascist-like nationalism within a single African state, or an ethnic group within Africa, but not a pan-African nationalism that is fascist. \r\n\r\nPan-Africanism, or Black Nationalism, is a response to imperialism, especially in Africa.\r\n\r\nWhite nationalism is a project to revive segregation, and preserve white privilege.","author":"more rational","parent_id":114548,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-07-28 06:56:08","modified":"2004-07-28 06:56:08","fileurl":""}]}