{"article":{"id":112601,"heading":"Online hatred grows","author":"United Press International\/Gene J. Koprowski","created":"2004-06-15 11:35:08","modified":"2004-06-17 19:42:35","last_modified":"Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:42:35","article":"

This is an excellent expose of hatred online against minorities in the U.S.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/www.upi.com\/view.cfm?StoryID=20040609-070421-5108r","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Expose of hatred by bigots online in U.S.","numcomment":25,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2004\/06\/112601.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":112615,"heading":"UPI info","article":"UPI is owned by the same media group that owns the Washington Times, a conservative newspaper. The group was started by and is influenced by the Unification Church (Moonies).\r\n\r\nThe article isn't that bad, but, it does have a certain spin to it. The author doesn't contact many non-church groups that deal with racism; there are hundreds of civil rights groups representing the hated groups (gays, Jewish people, Mulsims, Arabs, etc.).\r\n\r\nThe author also mentions the URL for a white racist bonehead website. This is like telling someone that there's rampant online porn, and then putting a few URLs for porn sites in the story. You spin the story one way, but then, help people who are ostensibly "the bad guys" get more information.\r\n\r\nThis post can be a bogus "crumb trail" designed to lure IMC readers to the UPI site, and maybe to stormfront. The WP movement appeals to paranoids and whites with some self-esteem issues, and, at some level, they know that the IMC also has some appeal to people with emotional issues.\r\n\r\nThat's just some food for thought.","author":"more rational","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 14:48:23","modified":"2004-06-15 14:48:23","fileurl":""},{"id":112637,"heading":"the hypocrisy of leftist racism","article":"Despite the concerted efforts of certain factions of PC tyrants who hold opposing viewpoints, so-called "hate groups" have just as much right to express their views as so-called "civil rights" groups. (If the article [whose link is currently broken] wants to mention "Stormfront," so what? Isn't "Moveon.org" free advertising)? \r\n\r\nThat this is even an issue in the USA proves that PC thugs are just as insidious a threat as State censors. \r\n\r\nThere's a double standard at work and it's damned if you do OR don't for the White Peoples of the world. \r\n\r\nOn one hand, say the propagandists, race "doesn't matter" because "everyone is equal." This is the argument used to rewrite history, depicting Whites solely as villains and never as the builders of and major contributors to Great Civilizations. It's also the same lie used to attack Christianity or any other entity that places the individual above the State.\r\n\r\nOn the other hand, certain races "require special treatment and privileges" because they can't (or won't) compete as well as others. \r\n\r\nThese groups have creatively found extra-legal "rights" in a legally egalitarian society to preserve their exclusive "unique cultures" replete with "(fill in oppressed minority)-only" awards shows, \r\nholidays, tv stations, scholarships, literature, etc. \r\n\r\nOnly Whites--and Whites alone--are not allowed to have "their own" anything and live free of forced integration. I've never heard a plausible reason why this is so, and would never expect one from any leftist.\r\n\r\nThis world is long overdue for a legitimate Whiteness movement apart from Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites.\r\n\r\nWHITE PRIDE is not a myth or a sin any more than any other "(Blank) Pride." \r\n\r\nPS. The paradox of guilty white liberals is that in order to "help" other races, they have to believe themselves superior to other races. \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 18:24:44","modified":"2004-06-15 18:24:44","fileurl":""},{"id":112639,"heading":"whitness is not a sin","article":"of course not.\r\nhate is.\r\nGod is Love.\r\nright?\r\n","author":"Scott","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 18:44:47","modified":"2004-06-15 18:44:47","fileurl":""},{"id":112641,"heading":"What's your point?","article":"Scott,\r\n\r\nI challenge you or anyone else at this site to explain how Whites taking care of their own and loving their own culture somehow harms other races or cultures.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 19:06:27","modified":"2004-06-15 19:06:27","fileurl":""},{"id":112650,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...you're the fuckin' nut...how 'bout you tell us why life as a white man has you feeling under the thumb of the dark skinned masses, pobrecito?","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 20:38:03","modified":"2004-06-15 20:38:03","fileurl":""},{"id":112656,"heading":"so far, the silence (other than one fool) is deafening","article":""...you're the fuckin' nut...how 'bout you tell us why life as a white man has you feeling under the thumb of the dark skinned masses, pobrecito?"\r\n\r\nAh yes. The One-Eye. You seem to be a fairly common poster around here. You're not serious about anything except getting your rocks off with insults.\r\n\r\nI don't know what "pobrecito" means, but if it's an insult, have the fucking balls to write in English.\r\n\r\nThough you're hardly the standard, your "threatened" attitude really says it all. I've posted questions which I know guilty white liberals have no answer for; specifically why they 'feel' WHITE = BAD. \r\n\r\nIt probably has something to do with the culture of victimhood, but if anyone has anything salient to add, have at it. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 22:47:07","modified":"2004-06-15 22:47:07","fileurl":""},{"id":112659,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...now I have a dog, his name is "Tony"....very loyal...\r\n\r\n...anyway, this dog barks at the TV screen whenever the news is on....\r\n\r\n...now, he may think he has something to say, but it never entered my head to discuss it with him...\r\n\r\n...your name wouldn't be "Tony", would it?\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 23:00:32","modified":"2004-06-15 23:00:32","fileurl":""},{"id":112661,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da MAN: "I don't know what "pobrecito" means, but if it's an insult, have the fucking balls to write in English. "\r\n\r\nOh, no...it is not an insult at all...more like an expression of compassion....\r\n\r\n...y'all know what "compassion" is....other than a campaign slogan, right?\r\n\r\n....for an insult, how about something simple for the gringo like "estupido"?\r\n\r\nNow...you were telling an enthralling story of how da MAN is living under the thumbs of PC thugs...please....DO continue...\r\n\r\n...but let me get some popcorn first.","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 23:09:15","modified":"2004-06-15 23:09:15","fileurl":""},{"id":112662,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"da MAN: "...salient ...."\r\n\r\n\r\nOooooo....a "Reader's Digest" subscriber!","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 23:16:10","modified":"2004-06-15 23:16:10","fileurl":""},{"id":112663,"heading":"your best isn't good enough","article":"Oh, no...it is not an insult at all...more like an expression of compassion.... \r\n\r\n...y'all know what "compassion" is....other than a campaign slogan, right? \r\n\r\nI forgot that liberals have a PATENT on compassion. I've never seen such COMPASSION, taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did not earn it, thus creating dependency on...liberals. That takes REAL HEART.\r\n\r\n....for an insult, how about something simple for the gringo like "estupido"? \r\n\r\nWhat's sad is, I know this is the best you can do.\r\n \r\n"Let me buy you a pack of gum, I'll show you how to chew it." \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-15 23:16:36","modified":"2004-06-15 23:16:36","fileurl":""},{"id":112673,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"pobrecito: "Let me buy you a pack of gum, I'll show you how to chew it." \r\n\r\nWhat's sad is, I know this is the best you can do. ","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 02:22:59","modified":"2004-06-16 02:22:59","fileurl":""},{"id":112687,"heading":"white confusion","article":"I probably wasn't being clear.\r\n\r\nThe article is against racism, however, it basically provides a URL to a WS website.\r\n\r\nIt's like saying this: "There's a lot of evil porn at corpsesex.com, and it is bad bad bad. There's also a group of parents up in arms against that and it's partner site horsedildo.com." Now... is this ultimately going to report... or support?\r\n\r\nAlso, that link works.","author":"more rational","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 07:59:44","modified":"2004-06-16 07:59:44","fileurl":""},{"id":112689,"heading":"what's the big deal?","article":"Your point is made, but what's the relevance?\r\n\r\nYou don't think anyone can simply google "hate groups'" and not find 100s of links?\r\n\r\nThe very term "Hate group" is Newspeak anyway. \r\n\r\n"Moveon.org" and "Democratic underground" could also be considered hate groups. \r\n\r\nThe ADL has made a certain legal arguement for what constitutes a "hate crime." It is flawed and unconstitutional, but when politicians are cowards (when are they not) down goes the rule of law.\r\n","author":"The ADL is misguided","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 08:12:31","modified":"2004-06-16 08:12:31","fileurl":""},{"id":112690,"heading":"the relevance","article":"The relevance is simply that I question the point of the article.\r\n\r\nFurthermore, I question the source. UPI is discredited.\r\n\r\nAs for all your other comments - whatever. You're not making much sense.","author":"more rational","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 08:26:51","modified":"2004-06-16 08:26:51","fileurl":""},{"id":112696,"heading":"this header starts off as race oriented","article":"Then progresses into class analysis.\r\n\r\n-"I've never seen such COMPASSION, taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did not earn it, thus creating dependency on...liberals."-\r\n\r\nThis intense Brownshirt sloganism of the new target, 'liberals' or 'terrorists' or my personal favorite, Anti Americans; is a example of this campaign of repression. Such tactics are not needed when the enemy holds all the cards. They know the threats and attempted bullying is required to hold this crumbling system together. Despite attempts to control the public mind, the WTF factor is every where and racism is a method of division. They really need it.Then progresses into class analysis.\r\n\r\n-"I've never seen such COMPASSION, taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did not earn it, thus creating dependency on...liberals."-\r\n\r\nThis intense Brownshirt sloganism of the new target, 'liberals' or 'terrorists' or my personal favorite, Anti Americans; is a example of this campaign of repression. Such tactics are not needed when the enemy holds all the cards. They know the threats and attempted bullying is required to hold this crumbling system together. Despite attempts to control the public mind, the WTF factor is every where and racism is a method of division. They really need it.Then progresses into class analysis.\r\n\r\n-"I've never seen such COMPASSION, taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did not earn it, thus creating dependency on...liberals."-\r\n\r\nThis intense Brownshirt sloganism of the new target, 'liberals' or 'terrorists' or my personal favorite, Anti Americans; is a example of this campaign of repression. Such tactics are not needed when the enemy holds all the cards. They know the threats and attempted bullying is required to hold this crumbling system together. Despite attempts to control the public mind, the WTF factor is every where and racism is a method of division. They really need it.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 11:30:17","modified":"2004-06-16 11:30:17","fileurl":""},{"id":112697,"heading":"opps...","article":"don't know why it did that.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 11:32:23","modified":"2004-06-16 11:32:23","fileurl":""},{"id":112740,"heading":"you can't debate so you hate","article":"There's something especially pathetic about politicians (or in this case, activist\/followers) whose only recourse is to call opponents "brownshirt" and "nazi." It's the last gasp tactic of those unable or unwilling to step up to the plate.\r\n\r\nSo far, no one here can answer my very simple, very direct questions and commentary. Do Whites no longer have rights in this country? Why are only Whites disallowed from having racial pride? If certain races need handouts from other races to survive, are they really "equal?" Where in the First Amendment does it say "hate speech" is not protected?\r\n\r\nIt's VERY difficult for those who pose as victims to look the people they grift squarely in the eye.\r\n\r\nBut give it a try.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 20:24:13","modified":"2004-06-16 20:24:13","fileurl":""},{"id":112747,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...would somebody PLEASE let the dog out?\r\n\r\n..fuckin' whining mongrel...","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 22:20:41","modified":"2004-06-16 22:20:41","fileurl":""},{"id":112750,"heading":"keep running","article":"Does anyone not in diapers have anything to add?","author":"Whiteness is not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-16 22:40:46","modified":"2004-06-16 22:40:46","fileurl":""},{"id":112775,"heading":"debate in full effect","article":"\"you can't debate so you hate \"\r\n\r\nNice rhyme, Eminem.\r\n\r\nNobody is stopping a white person from having \"white pride\". It's just something really rude, because, generally speaking, whites are not as often in situations when their personal pride and self esteem will be shattered by racism.\r\n\r\nSome whites will be -- the poor ones, the hurt ones, the ones who see their opportunities eroding in this Reagan Era. By and large, though, white people experience enough favortism that there is no need to proclaim \"white pride\"... it's assumed.\r\n\r\nIn contrast, among people of color, the phenomenon of low self-esteem, or self-hatred, especially when it comes to issue of race and interracial interactions, is common, almost to the point of being universal among the poor people of color.\r\n\r\nThe statements of \"black and proud\" or \"brown and proud\" or \"asian pride\" is a response to this reality.\r\n\r\nWhen I hear someone talk about \"white pride\", I automatically assume that they lack pride, or self-esteem, and might have some sense of inferority. After all, this is a country where every single President and Vice-President has been white, where over 90% of the Senate and the vast majority of the House are white, where most of the people sitting on the BODs of corporations are white, where most of the liberal and conservative press are white, where almost all the editors of major magazines are white, where whites practiced segregation for most of the nation's history, where whites have prevented others from voting, owning land, having many jobs, and sitting at the front of the bus. If you think that people of color have so many advantages over whites, you live in a fantasy world born of a profound lack of self-worth.\r\n\r\nNow, let's see if the crackAryan can debate that.","author":"more rational","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 05:45:09","modified":"2004-06-17 05:59:51","fileurl":""},{"id":112777,"heading":"cont...","article":"Regarding the issue of "hate speech." It's protected, except that if you use it during an assault, it elevates the assualt to a hate crime.\r\n\r\nHate speech falls under the category of "fighting words" or words that incite someone to get into a fight with you. That's why it's not protected speech any more than yelling "fire" in a theater is protected speech.\r\n\r\n"Hate speech" against whites is somewhat protected, because whites still run the show, and the terms don't have that much sting. How many caucasians get into a big fight when they're called a "cracker" or "honkey"? Probably none, except for the ones who live as minorities in a majority-minority area. And those will be taunted with "white boy" instead of thos other words.","author":"more rational","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 06:02:41","modified":"2004-06-17 06:02:41","fileurl":""},{"id":112795,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"awww, jeeeez...\r\n\r\n....now it'll NEVER stop yappin'!","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 14:07:37","modified":"2004-06-17 14:07:37","fileurl":""},{"id":112804,"heading":"hate crime = thoughtcrime","article":"\r\nNice rhyme, Eminem. \r\n\r\n====== fo\u2019 shizzle.\r\nNobody is stopping a white person from having "white pride". It's just something really rude, because, generally speaking, whites are not as often in situations when their personal pride and self esteem will be shattered by racism. \r\n\r\n====== Oh. So it\u2019s \u201crude\u201d to , say, celebrate (or teach) the genius of the Founding Fathers because a person of color might be offended, even though that person of color also enjoys the protection of the Bill of Rights today? \u201cShattered by racism?\u201d Nonsense. I see nowhere a law that guarantees a person\u2019s feelings shall not ever be hurt or their self-esteem protected.\r\n Some whites will be -- the poor ones, the hurt ones, the ones who see their opportunities eroding in this Reagan Era. By and large, though, white people experience enough favortism that there is no need to proclaim "white pride"... it's assumed. \r\n\r\n====== People usually do what\u2019s in their best interests. There will always be those who reject others for illogical reasons, but most people now understand that ability is more important than \u201crace.\u201d Since the poor also got richer under Reagan, I see no reason to drag his legacy into this. \r\n\r\n====== So because a handful of thought-control folks declare there\u2019s \u201cno need\u201d for white pride, that it should not be permitted? That sounds Orwellian to me. \r\nIn contrast, among people of color, the phenomenon of low self-esteem, or self-hatred, especially when it comes to issue of race and interracial interactions, is common, almost to the point of being universal among the poor people of color. \r\n\r\n====== This may be true, it may not be true; it smacks more of opinion than something empirically provable. For the sake of argument here let\u2019s say it\u2019s true. Is it then the government\u2019s responsibility to then promote these people\u2019s SELF-esteem? To give them jobs for which they may or may not be qualified? Handouts that mean increased dependency on government?\r\nThe statements of "black and proud" or "brown and proud" or "asian pride" is a response to this reality. \r\n\r\n====== And there\u2019s nothing wrong with that. But if other-than-white pride is somehow so fragile as to crumble when someone points out the contributions of whites---then what is to be done?\r\nWhen I hear someone talk about "white pride", I automatically assume that they lack pride, or self-esteem, and might have some sense of inferority. \r\n\r\n===== Well, there are anti-Semites and holocaust deniers, etc. But there is also a legitimate history of whites in America that is being not only shunned, but deliberately degraded. There\u2019s just no reason for it. History is history and there\u2019s nothing anyone can do about it now.\r\nAfter all, this is a country where every single President and Vice-President has been white, where over 90% of the Senate and the vast majority of the House are white, where most of the people sitting on the BODs of corporations are white, where most of the liberal and conservative press are white, where almost all the editors of major magazines are white, where whites practiced segregation for most of the nation's history, where whites have prevented others from voting, owning land, having many jobs, and sitting at the front of the bus. \r\n\r\n===== This sounds an awful lot like the \u201cblame game\u201d to me. And most of what is being blamed for modern problems has been corrected. Slavery in America is no more, everyone can vote and ride the bus, and anyone of any race, creed or color can publish whatever they want on the internet. Oh, and somehow rap music has become the dominant music in youth culture. Racism? It\u2019s not as bad as it\u2019s made out to be. \r\n\r\nIf you think that people of color have so many advantages over whites, you live in a fantasy world born of a profound lack of self-worth. \r\n\r\n====== Talent and ability vary more from person to person, rather than race to race, but in America people of color are NOT so severely disadvantaged as to require special anything. There are too many American success stories from people of all races that prove opportunity exists. \r\nNow, let's see if the crackAryan can debate that.\r\n\r\n====== \u201cCrack Aryan.\u201d Needless contempt. \r\nRegarding the issue of "hate speech." It's protected, except that if you use it during an assault, it elevates the assualt to a hate crime. \r\n\r\n====== Which is patently ridiculous. Call it what it is: legalized thoughtcrime. \r\n\r\nHate speech falls under the category of "fighting words" or words that incite someone to get into a fight with you. That's why it's not protected speech any more than yelling "fire" in a theater is protected speech. \r\n\r\n====== You know this is bullshit. And it\u2019s wrong. Individuals in a free society choose how they\u2019re going to react. If calling someone a racial slur doesn\u2019t provoke someone to throw a punch but calling them an \u2018a\u2014hole\u2019 does, who then gets to decide what is \u201chate speech?\u201d Let me guess\u2026an enlightened council of liberal mind-readers? Sorry. Not buying it. The whole concept of the hate crime is Un-American drivel. \r\n\r\n==== And BTW, yelling \u201cFIRE\u201d in a crowded theater IS protected speech, iIF there\u2019s a fire. \r\n"Hate speech" against whites is somewhat protected, because whites still run the show, and the terms don't have that much sting. \r\n\r\n====== We\u2019re out of the realm of law now and moving into anarchy. The reason laws are laws is because they apply equally to ALL. How predictable that those who complain the most about segregation and an unfair world are the very first to discriminate in their favor. That\u2019s just human nature, and why these stupid hate crime laws must go. \r\nHow many caucasians get into a big fight when they're called a "cracker" or "honkey"? Probably none, except for the ones who live as minorities in a majority-minority area. And those will be taunted with "white boy" instead of thos other words.\r\n\r\n====== Beyond mere words, how about violent crimes? \r\n\r\nBlacks were over 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2000. See for yourself.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.ojp.usdoj.gov\/bjs\/homicide\/race.htm\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Whiteness still not a sin","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 16:02:33","modified":"2013-11-11 00:30:10","fileurl":""},{"id":112810,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"WILL SOMEONE SHUT THAT FUCKIN' DOG UP!\r\n\r\n\r\nGive him a milkbone...tell him it's some Mexican's leg....that'll keep him busy for a while......","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 17:17:53","modified":"2004-06-17 17:17:53","fileurl":""},{"id":112813,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"po' whitey: "And most of what is being blamed for modern problems has been corrected. "\r\n\r\n...yes, so now it is only white men like you who suffer from racism....\r\n\r\n...there you go, being the victim again..."It's a thoughtcrime...how Orwellian...poor me, I can't yell "nigger" at a crowded KFC...."\r\n\r\n...fuckin' loser. You can get out of that trailer park when you stop blaming the brown skinned hordes and pull yourself up by your own bootstraps!","author":"KPC","parent_id":112601,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-06-17 19:42:35","modified":"2004-06-17 19:42:35","fileurl":""}]}