{"article":{"id":109245,"heading":"THE SILENCING OF DISSENT - How do they get away with it?","author":"Mark Katz.......","created":"2004-05-01 19:56:36","modified":"2004-05-04 22:37:27","last_modified":"Wed, 05 May 2004 05:37:27","article":"<br><br>  <br><br>  <br>  <br> As the onslaught on the Palestinian people continues and the hundred-year conquest of Palestine enters what may be its final stages, efforts by the Israeli, Zionist and Jewish establishments to silence any remaining criticism of Israel and Zionism intensify. At the centre of these efforts is the claim that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism. Critics of Israel are warned that whilst like any other democratic state, Israel is open to criticism of its policies, any criticism of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state is, by definition, anti-Semitic.  <br><br> As the onslaught on the Palestinian people continues and the hundred-year conquest of Palestine enters what may be its final stages, efforts by the Israeli, Zionist and Jewish establishments to silence any remaining criticism of Israel and Zionism intensify. At the centre of these efforts is the claim that anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism. Critics of Israel are warned that whilst like any other democratic state, Israel is open to criticism of its policies, any criticism of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state is, by definition, anti-Semitic. <br><br> First, it is not true that we are free to criticize Israeli policies since so many perfectly legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy are blanketed as attacks on Israel's right to self-defense and therefore as attacks on Israel's right to exist and, therefore themselves as anti-Semitic. But what of the core argument that, since all other peoples are entitled to statehood, to deny to Jews that which is granted to everyone else is discriminatory and, therefore, anti-Semitic? <br><br> There are of course some who really do want to \"push the Jews into the sea\", and there are certainly those who say that Jews are not a nation, but a religious group. There are others who undoubtedly would deny the right of Jews to establish a state anywhere. These people can fight their own battles. For my part, if Jews say they are a nation, that's fine and if Jews want to wear blue-and-white, wave flags and set up a state on some piece of uninhabited and unclaimed land, although I won't be joining them, that's also fine. The problem is when this state is established on someone else's land and maintained at someone else's expense. <br><br> So what is this state of Israel, this Jewish state, whose existence we are forbidden to question? Founded on the expulsion and exile of another people, and defining itself as for Jews alone, Israel officially and unofficially, overtly and covertly, discriminates against non-Jews. Is denying Jews such a state denying them that which is granted to all others? One may agree or disagree with any of this. One may argue for or against Jewish nationhood, the need for a Jewish state, the right of Jews to have a state in Palestine, and even, post-Holocaust, the justification for Jews to establish that state at the expense of another people. One can agree or disagree with any of this, but is such agreement or disagreement necessarily anti-Semitic? <br><br> ANTI-ZIONISM EQUAL ANTI-SEMITISM?  <br><br> The anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism argument amounts to this: If you do not agree with the right of Jews to go to Palestine, settle there en masse against the wishes of the indigenous population, expel this population from 75% of their land and then, for the next fifty years and more, continue this assault on the remaining land and population, then you are an anti-Semite. Similarly, if you do not support the existence of an ethnically based state which defines itself as being for Jews only and discriminates officially both inside and outside its borders against non-Jews, then, again, you are an anti-Semite. <br><br> This would be laughable if it came from any other group of people, yet coming from Jews, even though not always agreed with, it is still seen as legitimate. So how do they get away with it? No-one else does, so what's special about Jews? <br><br> Whether there is anything special about Jews is not really relevant. What is relevant is that a large part of the Western world, even the most secular part, seems to believe that there is, or, if they don't believe it, are not confident enough in their disbelief to say so. The Western world seems at times almost obsessed with Jews and Jewish life. Stories of struggle from the Hebrew Bible, such as the Exodus from Egypt, have become paradigms for other people's struggles and aspirations. The emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe into their Golden Land in America has become as American a legend as the Wild West. Jewish folklore and myth, stereotypes of Jewish humour, food and family life-all are deeply woven into the fabric of Western, particularly American, life. Yet these preoccupations are complicated and often ambivalent Despite our present secularity, Christianity still occupies a central place in Western culture and experience, and Jews occupy a central place in the Christian narrative, so it is no surprise that Jews and Jewish concerns receive a lot of attention. But Christian attitudes towards Jews are themselves complex and contradictory: Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew, and yet, traditionally, His teachings supersede those of Judaism. Jesus lived amongst Jews, His message was shaped by Jews yet He was rejected by Jews and, it has been widely believed, died at the behest of Jews. So, for many Christians, Jews are both the people of God and the people who rejected God, and are objects of both great veneration and great loathing. This ambivalence is reflected in the secular world too where Jews are widely admired for their history and traditions and for their creativity and success yet are also held in some suspicion and dislike for their exclusivity and supposed feelings of 'specialness'. Jews seem either loved or hated and, now since the Holocaust, publicly at least, they seem loved or at least if not loved, then certainly, indulged. <br><br> IS JEWISH SUFFERING UNIQUE? <br><br> The establishment of the state of Israel in May 1948, coming just three years after the liberation of Auschwitz in January 1945, marks, for Jews, the transition from enslavement to empowerment. This empowerment of Jews took place not only with the establishment of Israel, but also continuously, from the mass emigration of Jews to the West in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, to the present day. Today in the West Jews enjoy unparalleled political, economic and social power and influence. Jews are represented way beyond their numbers in the upper echelons of all areas of public and professional life-politics, academia, the arts, the media and business. But even more than the political and economic power which Jews possess, is the social power. Jews have a moral prestige derived from their history and traditions as a chosen and as a suffering people. In these more secular times, however, especially since the Holocaust, it is as a suffering people that Jews occupy their special place in Western culture. <br><br> That Jews have suffered is undeniable. But acknowledgement of this suffering is rarely enough. Jews and others have demanded that not only should Jewish suffering be acknowledged but that it also be accorded special status. Jewish suffering is rarely measured against the sufferings of other groups. Blacks, women, children, gays, workers, peasants, minorities of all kinds, all have suffered, but none as much as Jews. Protestants at the hands of Catholics, Catholics at the hands of Protestants, pagans and heretics, all have suffered religious persecution, but none as relentlessly as Jews. Indians, Armenians, Gypsies and Aborigines, all have been targeted for elimination, but none as murderously and as premeditatedly as Jews <br><br> Jewish suffering is held to be mysterious and beyond explanation. Context is rarely examined. The place and role of Jews in society - their historical relationships with Church and state, landlords and peasantry - is hardly ever subject to scrutiny, and, whilst non-Jewish attitudes to Jews are the subject of intense interest, Jewish attitudes to non-Jews are rarely mentioned. Attempts to confront these issues are met with suspicion, and sometimes hostility, because of a fear that explanation may lead to rationalization, which may lead to exculpation, and then even to justification. <br><br> The stakes in this already fraught game have been raised so much higher by the Holocaust. Is the Holocaust \"The ultimate mystery, never to be comprehended or transmitted\" as Elie Wiesel would have us believe? Are attempts to question the Holocaust narrative just a cover for denial or even justification? Was Jewish suffering in the Holocaust greater and of more significance than that of anyone else? Were the three million Polish Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis more important than the three million Polish non-Jews who also died? Twenty million black Africans, a million Ibos, a million Kampucheans, Armenians, Aborigines, all have perished in genocides, but none as meaningfully as the six million Jews slaughtered in the only genocide to be theologically named and now perceived by Jews and the rest of the Western world to be an event of near religious significance. <br><br> Jews have not been just passive recipients of all this special treatment and consideration. The special status accorded to Israel's behaviour in Palestine, and Jewish support for it, is not something that the Jewish establishment has accepted reluctantly. On the contrary, Jews and Jewish organisations have demanded it. And at the heart of this demand for special consideration is the demand that the whole world, recognising the uniqueness of Jewish suffering, should join with Jews in their fears about anti-Semitism and of its resurgence. <br><br> Anti-Semitism in its historic, virulent and eliminationist form did exist and could certainly exist again, but it does not currently exist in the West in any significantly observable form. Jews have never been so secure or empowered, yet many Jews feel and act as if they are a hair's breadth away from Auschwitz. And not only this, but they require that everybody else feel the same. So soon after the Holocaust this is perhaps understandable, but less so when it is used to silence dissent and criticism of Israel and Zionism. Jews, individually and collectively use their political, economic, social, and moral power in support of Israel and Zionism. In their defense of Israel and Zionism, Jews brandish their suffering at the world, accusing it of reverting to its old anti-Semitic ways. <br><br> THE SILENCING OF DISSENT. <br><br> Is a Jewish state acceptable in this day and age? Are the Jews a people who qualify for national self-determination, or are Jews a religious group only? Post-Holocaust, does the Jewish need for a state of their own perhaps even justify the displacement of the Palestinians? Are Jews who wield power to serve what they perceive as their own ethnic interests and to support Israel, to be held politically accountable? What is anti-Semitism? Is anti-Zionism anti-Semitism? All this and a great deal more could and should be debated. What need not be debated is this: that every complexity and ambiguity of Jewish identity and history, every example of Jewish suffering, every instance of anti-Jewish prejudice, however inconsequential, is used to justify the crimes of Israel and Zionism. Every possible interpretation or misinterpretation of language, and every kind of intellectual sophistry is used by Zionists to muddy the waters and label the critic of Israel and Zionism an anti-Semite. Words and phrases become loaded with hidden meanings, so that even the most honest critic of Israel has to twist and turn and jump through hoops to ensure that he or she is not perceived as anti-Semitic. <br><br> And the penalties for transgression are terrible. For those who do not manage to pick their way through this minefield, the charge of anti-Semite awaits, with all its possibilities of political, religious and social exclusion. No longer a descriptive term for someone who hates Jews simply for being Jews, 'anti-Semite' is now a curse to hurl against anyone who dares to criticise Jews and, increasingly against anyone who dares, too trenchantly, to criticize Israel and Zionism. And for those Jews of conscience who dare speak out, for them there is reserved the special penalty of exclusion from Jewish life and exile. <br><br> Marc Ellis's 'ecumenical deal' which translates also into a political deal, says it all. It goes like this: To the Christian and to the entire non-Jewish world, Jews say this: 'You will apologise for Jewish suffering again and again and again. And, when you have finished apologising, you will then apologise some more. When you have apologised sufficiently we will forgive you, provided you let us do what we want in Palestine.' <br><br> As hard as it may be, for the sake of us all - Jew and non-Jew alike, do we not now have to break free? <br><br>  <br>  <br> \n","contact":"","link":"","address":"Stockholm.  Sweden","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"To the Christian and to the entire non-Jewish world, Jews say this: 'You will apologise for Jewish suffering again and again and again. And, when you have finished apologising, you will then apologise some more. When you have apologised sufficiently we will forgive you, provided you let us do what we want in Palestine.'","numcomment":12,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2004\/05\/109245.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":109254,"heading":"If you really care about the Palestinians","article":"Mark, hmm, lets see 800 thousand Indegenous Middle Eastern Jews were expelled from all across the middle east, and millions of Jews whom were left with no place to go after the world abandoned the millions to the ovens were integrated into Israel society along with 2 millions Israeli Arabs whom have more rights in Israel then anywhere in the Arab world. \r\nMark what is your solution, expell all the Jews over 4 million? Where should they go Mark?  While the world crys about the Palestinian leaders noone gives a hoot about the Palestinians themseleves.  Noone seems to care that the Palestinian and Arab leadership are keeping millions in refugee camps in Lebannon, Syria, Egypt etc.  Where the Palestinians there are given no rights, no right to own land, treated as sub 3rd class citizens.  None of you people who are so concerned with the right of Palestinians seem to give a hoot about the mass child abuses being carried out to the Palestinian youth whom are taught in schools and mosques to hate and kill and to learn to wish to Sacrafice themselves in Jihad.  Mark its time you stopped following your liberal freinds like a sheep and learned the real truth, if you care so much about the Palestinians take a stand against there leadership whom divert all the money earmarked for the Palestinians and spend it instead on there own needs and terror training programs.   Your so tolerant and open minded right? You suggest the world kills the Jews, (well at least the Jews in Israel) oh you didnt say that? Then what are you suggesting be done to the Indigenous Jews of Israel?   The lefts lies are clear, you are pro war and pro hate while pretending to be so open, so tolerant and so understanding.  Mark more question for you, do you think Gay people have any rights in the Arab world, lets see a Gay pride parade in Saudi Arabia or in Gaza for that matter.  Sad sad world we live in when people sympathize with the Child Abusers, Woman Abusers,  Homophobic, terrorist societies whom teach the love of death rather than the love of life.   Oh go back to your nazi propoganda anti America leftist sites you sad person you.  And you call yourselves &quot;peace&quot; activists? \r\n","author":"Donald Jameson","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-01 22:31:21","modified":"2004-05-01 22:31:21","fileurl":""},{"id":109261,"heading":"You suggest the world kills the Jews","article":"Where did you get that?","author":"What?","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-01 23:59:05","modified":"2004-05-01 23:59:05","fileurl":""},{"id":109270,"heading":"What do you suggest we do with the Jews of Israel?","article":"Well, for all your compassionate people out there who care about human rights for everyone except Jews and Western civilization citizens, it's time you woke up to your distorted truths and hatefilled illusions.  Why not research a few things about your dear friends the 25+ Islamic countries in the middle east and surround region. \r\n\r\nItem  #1: Honor Killings (the killings of ones sister or female relative whom has commited adultery or other act deemed shamefull by a younger or older male relative in order to preserve the family honor, thousands of these killings are commited each year) \r\n\r\n#2: Training the children to be a Shahada (To kill and die for Allah in Jihad) this is one of the most flagrant violations of human rights\/ Child abuse the world has ever seen.  Where are the &quot;Human rights&quot; supporters and &quot;Activists&quot; on this one.   Hey have you all ever heard of Sudan?  Did you know there are child slaves being forced to fight with the Arab Northern Raiders as you pepare to write your next &quot;I hate bush&quot; letter.  \r\n\r\n#3: The violation of rights against Women, cannot leave houses without male escorts, cannot drive (in SaudiArabia and other Shairah law countries)  The mandatory wearing of full body coverings to conceal all forms of Womenhood, Rapes that go unpunished due to the fact that Women must have at least one other MALE wittness whom saw the rape or abuse take place (which meens the rapes and abuses almost always go uncontested) \r\n\r\n#4: The gross violations of Human rights against Homosexuals. \r\n\r\nPut your Bush and Israel bashing asside for one moment and be open minded to the fact that perhaps you dont know the truth and all those conspiracy anti US hate sites might just have it wrong.  If you are concerned with Human rights abuses its time to wake up and take a stand against abuse against children, woman, homosexuals and others.    ","author":"George Freeman","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-02 04:17:00","modified":"2004-05-02 04:17:00","fileurl":""},{"id":109276,"heading":"Some more mods","article":"Item #1: Police Killings (the killings of one(')s male or female relative whom has commited[sic] no crime, thought crime or other act(s) deemed sedition or resistance by  over zealous male solders or cops in order to preserve the  honor and creditability of the state making the necessity for thousands of these killings  to be commited[sic] each year) \r\n#2: Training the children to be a Solder(To kill and die for Jesus in Heaven) in a crime against peace,  one of the most flagrant violations of human rights\/ Child abuse the world has ever seen. Where are the &quot;Compassionate conservatives&quot;  and &quot;Christians&quot; on this one. Hey(,) have you all ever heard of Pine Ridge, WACO, Attica? Did you know that our kids are being forced to fight on the Afghanistan and Iraqi fronts as you pepare[sic] to write your next &quot;I love bush&quot; letter(?)\r\n#3: The violation of rights against people of color,(whom) cannot leave (their) houses without the thought or reprisals of racism and cannot drive (in Beverly Hills and other Wealthy neighborhoods ) The mandatory searches of full body cavities to intimidate 'red list' passengers and suspicious nationalities.  Assassinations and murder that goes unpunished due to the fact that law enforcement and the courts are corrupt or biased and the real criminals have at least one or two expensive lawyers, control of the press and television  in order to avoid justice.\r\n#4: The gross violations of Human rights against Homosexuals, The Poor and Dissidents. \r\nPut your Bush and Israel admiration asside[sic] for one moment and be open minded to the fact that perhaps you don(')t know the truth and all those  anti Human hate sites might just have it wrong. If you are concerned with Human rights abuses its time to wake up and take a stand against abuse against the men, children, woman, homosexuals and people of the world. ","author":"twisted echo","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-02 05:34:19","modified":"2004-05-02 05:34:19","fileurl":""},{"id":109298,"heading":"Hmmm","article":"Even I can't justify that last post trying to somehow spin the previous post.  Death is a tragedy all the way around.\r\n\r\nPeace","author":"(A)","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-03 00:40:50","modified":"2004-05-03 00:40:50","fileurl":""},{"id":109299,"heading":"hmmmm?","article":"Even I can't understand that last post. Is it trying to somehow debunk the previous post? Death is a tragedy all the way around.\r\n\r\nPeace","author":"twisted echo","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-03 00:58:31","modified":"2004-05-03 00:58:31","fileurl":""},{"id":109370,"heading":"that's another lame ramirez cartoon","article":"That's another shitty cartoon by Mike Ramirez  of the LA Times, an allegedly &quot;liberal&quot; paper.\r\n\r\nI heard he's half Mexican and half Japanese.  I bet his Japanese half hates his Mexican half, and his Mexican half hates his Japanese half.\r\n\r\nAin't he just &quot;all American&quot;.","author":"more rational","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-04 01:32:21","modified":"2004-05-04 01:32:21","fileurl":""},{"id":109373,"heading":"Indy media is racist","article":"I have been reading many of these &quot;Indy Media&quot; articles and posts I have come under the basic understanding that most of the people here who claim to support &quot;Human rights&quot; and to be so open and tolerant, are infact some of the most close minded and hate filled racist people I have ever met.  All you talk about is your hatred for Bush, Republicans, White people, anyone who disagrees with your points of views.  This is not independant media any more so then it is just straight racist and hate filled media.  If you dont agree with someones point of view, your open minded responses are just hate filled posts with some cut and paste articles from other racist and distorted web sites.  Its time to grow up, in your rallies claiming your being so pro &quot;Peace&quot; you are actually spewing racist propoganda which does nothing to bring about peace, if anything you are creating more division and attempting to create more &quot;War&quot; by being so hostile against anyone who has a diffrent point of view then your own.  I assume that is why so many of you love &quot;communism&quot; so much, It only killed 300 million people, why not give it another try.  Sad sad sad people you are. If only you knew what your grand parents or great grandparent had gone through so that you can be so fortunate to live the lives you live now and to have the freedoms and opportunities to speak openly and live more free then perhaps any other time in history.  Selfish selfish children you are.  Perhaps for those people whom claim to be pro &quot;Peace&quot; need to read the deffinition of peace for a clearer understanding of the word- &quot; \r\n\r\npeace \u00a0\u00a0n.\r\n1.The absence of war or other hostilities.\r\n2.An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.\r\n3.Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations: \r\n4.Public security and order: was arrested for disturbing the peace\r\n5. Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind.\r\n\r\nWhen was the last time you felt any of the following at a &quot;Peace Rally&quot; ? \r\n1.The absence of war or other hostilities.\r\n2.An agreement or a treaty to end hostilities.\r\n3.Freedom from quarrels and disagreement; harmonious relations: \r\n4.Public security and order: was arrested for disturbing the peace\r\n5. Inner contentment; serenity: peace of mind\r\n\r\nThe answer for this is never in my experience.  \r\nI have only felt, hatred, anger and wish for destruction against all those whom do not believe in the extremist views of many of the participants. \r\nTake a good look in the mirror. Its time to show your true colors, you like war, you just pretend to be something you are not. \r\nHate breeds war, Indy media breeds hate. ","author":"Bill Sonders","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-04 02:22:42","modified":"2013-11-11 00:29:37","fileurl":""},{"id":109374,"heading":"Heh heh","article":"and the presence of certain information breeds reactionary response.\r\nSorry. (sorry you feel that way)","author":"db","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-04 02:28:38","modified":"2004-05-04 02:28:38","fileurl":""},{"id":109433,"heading":"with logic like that","article":"\"Hate breeds war, Indy media breeds hate. \"\r\n\r\nWho needs doublespeak and lies when we have master logicians like this criticizing us lefties.  Give the man a diploma and nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize.\r\n\r\nBy your logic, the emotion of hatred underlies war.  Thus, it's plausible that the soldiers who really wanted to electrocute those POWs in Iraq were the motivating force behind this war.  After all, who has more hate than a sadistic volunteer soldier who is probably racist?\r\n\r\nPlease.\r\n\r\nYou should check out Free Republic or a copy of National Review.  They're out there arguing for war, without any pretense of seeking peace.\r\n\r\nThey love war, and the hate that war creates.  As a Middle Eastern person in America how much racism and hate they're feeling today.\r\n\r\nEven love for war isn't the reason we go to war.  These pro-war ranters are just propagandists covering for the brutality and horror of war (a war which they aren't fighting).\r\n\r\nIt's always about the money and power.  Always.  This is a war for Dick Cheney, Bush, and Chalabi... and their \"business interests.\"","author":"more rational","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-04 19:51:37","modified":"2004-05-04 19:54:50","fileurl":""},{"id":109453,"heading":"Anti Racist Anarchist?","article":"Lets see, arent you the same poster whom stated in a earlier message that you are a &quot;Anti-Racist Anarchist&quot; ?  \r\nIf we define Anarchism we find the meaning : \r\n&quot;The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished&quot; \r\n\r\nSo with that in mind, how do you propose we abolish all forms of goverment? I imagine it would take quite a bit of violence, would it not?  Lets try and understand the logic in that, so an Anarchist is against all forms of Goverment, Goverment should be abolished but yet it seems like someone would have to control people in order to obtain there own ideas for how the world and society should function.  Now I see.  Anarchy on your terms.  Hmmm.  Very open minded you are.  ","author":"Confused","parent_id":109245,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-05-04 22:37:27","modified":"2004-05-04 22:37:27","fileurl":""}]}