{"article":{"id":102751,"heading":"Can I Ask You People","author":"mymicz","created":"2004-02-11 17:52:45","modified":"2004-02-13 00:17:57","last_modified":"Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:17:57","article":"

What is the difference between a Palestinian refugee and an Iranian Jewish refugee? Or a Russian Jewish refugee? Or a Yemenite Jewish refugee? Or an Ethiopian Jewish refugee? Don't they all have the same right to live?

Why is a suicide bomber called a liberator, but a soldier who protects millions of diverse refugees from all over the world is a terrorist to you people?

Why are bad neighbors rewarded here on IMC, and seen as innocents when they shoot rockets on to land legally bought from other Muslims?

Realtors profited on that land, owners profited, but if it's not in Muslims hands the it should be attacked right?

Because no Jew should have the right to own property where his ancestors did? Even if he buys it with what little he had left from the German devastation?

Or the Iranian Revolution? Or the Ethiopian drought?

Muslims are racists, they cannot handle sharing land with other religions. Even when they own 22 countries to one the size of Chicago.

Without this racism, no war in 47, no war in 67, no occupied land, just neighbors.

But with this racism, bloodshed for forty years, and a losing side of racists begging for international attention because they are getting thiers.

Show me one Muslim who isn't a racist, who doesn't believe this land belongs to him whether his drunk father sold it or not. Show me one who is wiling to live beside Jews in peace?

Without threatening to push them into the sea.

You guys talk about turning cheeks, this isn't a group of Christians, it's a group of conquerors, who finally got beat, and had their empires handed to them on a platter with their asses.

It's not about right and wrong to them, it's about dominance of a region, and I assure you if Muslims controlled Israel, no one would be free to pray there.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"","numcomment":17,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2004\/02\/102751.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":102752,"heading":""You People"","article":"Whenever I see, "You People" I can't help but to cringe, as I realize that the person using the phrase doesn't consider his targets to be equal to himself. If I read someone writing to Jews using the phrase "You People," I'd think him an anti-Semite.\r\n\r\nSince you asked about the difference, I'll answer you. The Palestinians are prisoners in their own lands and they are struggling for a right to have a national identity and be treated as equals among nations. America is a land of refugees too and yet it has murdered so many and we condemn the US for its crimes just as condemn Israel for its crimes. That you divide the world into "You People" and "Our People" proves that it is you and not we that are racist.","author":"Yet another anarchist.","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-11 18:05:13","modified":"2004-02-11 18:05:13","fileurl":""},{"id":102770,"heading":"Ehhhhhhhh","article":"Palestinians are not prisoners, they are free to go, no one wants them because they are violent. When I say you people, I mean IMC writers, who take a racist and skewed view on everything as long as thier race is favored. \r\nIt is not your land if the owner sells it, a fact you just can't seem to get, commerce, trade, business.\r\nJust because the Palestinians didn't own thier own land, doesn't mean they can be jaded renters and fire on thier Jewish neighbors, and people who rightfully bought land. That's what started the 47 war, read sometime won't ya.\r\nIf you ask me, Jews have been prisoners of many an evil Muslim regime. For many years they could not leave Iran.\r\nIf Palestinians feel like prisoners, they can fucking leave any time, although as I said, who the hell wants neighbors who send missiles over the wall.\r\nTha fact ism since the Ottoman Empire, Muslims have been the most viscious, human rights violating, women hating nations of the world.\r\nThe facts speak for themselves. \r\nIf I was Christian, I might pity them, but as my family and others like me have suffered in Iran and other places all over the world, I think payback must be a bitch for Ali Baba and his millions of thieves.\r\nThey even thieve from thier own people, as the latest report shows Arafats own party walking out on his corruption.\r\nThe Palestinians are not prisoners my friend, they are Arafat, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordans pawns.\r\n\r\nAnd- as I heard somewhere earlier today, when the game is over, the pawns and kings go back into the same box- or should I say coffin.","author":"Wrong Answer","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-11 22:05:15","modified":"2004-02-11 22:05:15","fileurl":""},{"id":102771,"heading":"And by the Way","article":"A REAL Anarchist would be slaughtered under the regime of the Palestinians you wish to protect. Nuff Said","author":"to a fake anarchist","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-11 22:24:31","modified":"2004-02-11 22:24:31","fileurl":""},{"id":102782,"heading":"Wrong Target","article":"Judaism is a religion. Jews are not of one race, but many races.\r\n\r\nIslam is a religion. Muslims are not of one race, but many races.\r\n\r\nChristianity is a religion. Christians are not of one race, but many races.\r\n\r\nI could go on and on... with other major world religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc., but I think ya get my drift. :)\r\n\r\nSemitic is a name used to designate a group of Asiatic and African languages, (some living and some dead), namely: Hebrew and Phoenician, Aramaic, Assyrian, Arabic, Ethiopic (Geez and Ampharic). Those who speak any of those languages are considered Semites.\r\n\r\nSo by definition, an anti-Semite is not necessarily anti-Jew, but one who could easily be anti-Muslim and\/or anti-African.\r\n\r\nOne who uses the phrase "you people" could easily be considered a racist, as it implies a feeling of superiority over another group (or groups).\r\n\r\nIt appears this poster has some serious anger issues and cannot see past someone's religion -- and has confused religion, race and individual practitioners of specific religions -- lumping them all into one big basket, thereby doing a disservice to all.\r\n\r\nPeace... Shanti... Pace... Paix... \r\n\r\nHowever you say it, unless it comes from within each of us, we'll never see it around us or throughout the world.\r\n\r\n","author":"Gael Walsh","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 01:05:06","modified":"2004-02-12 01:05:06","fileurl":""},{"id":102791,"heading":"I have anger Issues","article":"That's why I vent. Judaism, by your definition of semitic, is indeed a race, Islam, by their definition of Religion, is also a race, the tribe of ISHMAEL.\r\nALSO A SEMITIC RACE?\r\nYES.\r\nThat is why I cannot stand the fact that the IMC visitors, "you people," support people who say Israelis stole land. That region is by definition a SEMITIC region. Therefore, anyone with SEMITIC blood should have the right to live there. In 47', and 67, and again in 73, the Jewish population of the region was attacked. Why? Because they began purchasing land in the area where their DNA came from. Sure, some were converts, interbred with Romans, Ethiopians, etc..But tell me, how many people you know would voluntarily become one of the most opressed religion\/race in History parralell only to Celts and Native Americans.\r\nJews all over Arab countries, from Iran to Morroco were tortured and expelled by their cousin Ishmael.\r\nHundreds of thousands of Jews left for America, France, and Israel. Jews from all over the world took them in, through drought, war, every evil torture you can imagine inclding extra screening at airports, heavy fees to people to get them here, etc.\r\nDuring the same time, some who had money bought land, some, like my family, owned land there since the dawn of time, generation after generation of pure Israelis who somehow survived there, INDIGINOUS LIKE A FUCKING RED MAN BEOTCH.\r\nEach time seige was laid on Israel, the people fought back. They were tired of being singled out for race and religion. \r\nEach time the other Indigenous, those who claimed Ishmael's line, sided with the factions who chose to wage war on Jews. Using aweful hate propoganda, the Arab countries began to tote Hitler's line, the plan he made before his death went into effect. ( you can check the history on Hitler's relationship with Arab countries.)\r\nNow the Jews, who were once numbered in the millions all over the region in places like Iran where there remain very few under opression that would make Palestine look like Ram Dass's playground, are cornered into a tiny country, from which they are left to defend against 22 countries (shit isn't that enough land and how many times do I have to say that?)\r\nTerrorism? You don't fucking know the half of it. While a Rabbi writes MLK's speech, Jewish boys are hanged from southern trees, kosher fruit right.\r\nWhile we become lawyers and doctors despite all of this hell, and help our brothers with a liberal and kind nature, there's always someone to call us stingy, or opressor, or a million other evil things.\r\nPeace?\r\nYou want peace?\r\nThen stop sanctifying racism.\r\nAll this crap about the difference between a race and a religion, fuck that.\r\nEveryone has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of shelter or property to live on.\r\nWhat I am saying is that it is indeed the Israelis, although better educated and better funded, who are the opressed. Having to defend the desire to live in that land, such a small city like country, among 22 other hostile countries.\r\nHaving to see Olympiads killed, children blown up, children with their throats slit, children in gas masks. \r\nHaving to always feel like you have to defend your home.\r\nSure, on a personal level, the Palestinians are feeling the same. Sure they are entitled to rights, and not be discriminated against by thier religion. But not if they are intolerant themselves.\r\nAnd that is the Grande Pointe my dear readers. \r\nIntolerance has been staple food for Muslims all over the world. Moreso than the Godforsaken Catholic Church, perhaps because of.\r\nWhat you see is a small strip of land, tinier than micronesia, where one race shoots at another becuase they are pawns in the Arab profit game.\r\nThe oil game etc.\r\nThey use race to say one doesn't belong so they have justification to blindly kill innocent cousins of theirs, and even their own brothers and sisters.\r\nThey fight without honor, not even targeting soldiers 90% of the time.\r\nThe hide behind children and send their mothers to die as Martyrs instead of losing honor for thier family.\r\nYou are missing a real idea of the mentality, to always want more, and begrudge a man land not becuaes he cannot afford it, not because you couldn't move somewhere nicer for what he paid you, and not because you chose not to sell it, but rather, just because it was sold to a JEW.\r\nAnd to start a POGROM, called Intifada, just to have stupid liberals think you are innocent, hiding the blood on your hands behind your back. Hiding the fact that your government is stealing from you just as bad as your neighbors, that your economy sufferes because you bomb instead of trade, and that you let racism be used by arms dealers to take your childrens, and the Jewish childrens, future.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"speaker","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 03:02:03","modified":"2004-02-12 03:02:03","fileurl":""},{"id":102801,"heading":"So much JDL bullshit, too little time.","article":"You JDL guys reek.","author":"Another anarchist.","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 05:53:01","modified":"2004-02-12 05:53:01","fileurl":""},{"id":102802,"heading":"fresca","article":"The "anarchist" (what a red flag of inanity) obviously didn't even read the article. If it had, it would have read that the author was calling for rights for the Palestinians as well as Jews.\r\n\r\nBut alas, it saw only the word Jew and decided to reflexively oppose it.","author":"fresca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 05:58:32","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":102803,"heading":"Fresca has no life.","article":"She replies within minutes of every post. Must be difficult not getting laid.","author":"Billy Bob","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 05:59:32","modified":"2004-02-12 05:59:32","fileurl":""},{"id":102805,"heading":"Fresca is a racist.","article":"After reading her charitable account of the racist article, I decided to re-read it. This is what Fresca calls concern for Muslims:\r\n\r\n"Show me one Muslim who isn't a racist, who doesn't believe this land belongs to him whether his drunk father sold it or not. Show me one who is wiling to live beside Jews in peace?"\r\n\r\nFresca thinks she's part of the master race.","author":"Mary Jo","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 06:03:45","modified":"2004-02-12 06:03:45","fileurl":""},{"id":102808,"heading":"fresca","article":"Hey Billy,\r\n\r\nIt only took you a minute to hang on my every word.\r\n\r\nNow what were you saying about getting laid?","author":"fresca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 06:19:47","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":102809,"heading":"fresca","article":"Mary Jo, or should I say Billy Bob?\r\n\r\nAnother thing...\r\n\r\n\r\nSo show us one.\r\n\r\nBy the way, read the article. You haven't.","author":"fresca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 06:21:34","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":102811,"heading":"I have read it.","article":"It's garbage. Get yourself a vibrator or something.","author":"Eca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 06:25:33","modified":"2004-02-12 06:25:33","fileurl":""},{"id":102812,"heading":"fresca","article":"So now it's eca?\r\n\r\nBy the way, what makes you think I'm a woman?\r\n\r\nLOL. What a troll.","author":"fresca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 06:28:27","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":102845,"heading":"Well","article":"No one has stepped up to the plate and shown me one?\r\nI have yet to meet a single peaceful Muslim who doesn't believe everything in the Middle East belongs solely to them. \r\nI have yet to hear of a Muslim country where no Jewish people are attacked.\r\nYou want racism, look in a mirror, I'm calling a spade a spade.\r\nHitler mad plans to USE the Muslims and Arabs for his final solution. And that is a fact, I'm sorry, that's a word you can't understand.\r\nNot to mention, I am not part of the JDL, I am an independant progressive who is sick of seeing her people maligned because they happen to be living between Iraq and a sea while trying to defend themselves against racism, which is as I said, Arafat and the Palestinians bread and butter.\r\nOtherwise they would have just lived in peace among the Jews who lived in Israel instead of constantly attacking them since the dawn of time.\r\nYou have your issues all mixed up.\r\nMust be because you are on the side of the terrorists.\r\nThat is a tragic thing for legititmate causes when you align yourself with a people who are provably racist.\r\nIf you don;t think so, just look at the literature.\r\nBut I guess it's o.k. for people to be racist here on Indymedia, because Palestinians can't fight like real men so they have to fight like fascists, just like all other fascist Muslim countries where there is no freedom. Wake up and smell the bullshit in you mouth.","author":"author","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 16:42:50","modified":"2004-02-12 16:42:50","fileurl":""},{"id":102868,"heading":"fresca","article":""just like all other fascist Muslim countries where there is no freedom."\r\n\r\nThat's an absolute truthful observation that'll get you branded as a racist around here.\r\n\r\nDon't you realize that there is only ONE middle east fascist state? Israel. Every other state in the middle east is a veritable smorgasboard of arab enlightenment, tolerance and progressive individual freedom.\r\n\r\nThat and alot of murder.","author":"fresca","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 22:39:48","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":102872,"heading":"hmmm","article":"Well I know some indian and indonesian muslims who presumably are representative the two largest populations of muslims and they were both smart hard working and not particularly prejudiced when it came to any of these issues, as far as i know. Of course India and Indonesia are semi secular democracies without the standard propoganda that goes with the religious states in the middle east.\r\nI also know a palistinian who while he carries a bit of an attitude talks about the palistinian situation in terms of stupid arab groups and stupid jewish groups fighting each other because they havent bothered to try to understand each-other.\r\nDoesnt mean there are not muslims who are as you say - just that there is hope to sort this mess out.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-12 23:30:27","modified":"2004-02-12 23:30:27","fileurl":""},{"id":102874,"heading":"When I was in Oman...","article":"...I worked with an Omani national, who was, of course, Muslim. One day he broached the subject of Israel and Palestine, and asked the question, "Why can't people just get along?"\r\n\r\nMr Abdullah is a wise man.\r\n\r\nnonanarchist","author":"';lj;lkl;k","parent_id":102751,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-13 00:17:57","modified":"2004-02-13 00:17:57","fileurl":""}]}