{"article":{"id":97367,"heading":"A plea to the trolls for accurate criticism","author":"Coffee Anon","created":"2003-12-16 00:30:18","modified":"2003-12-18 13:38:35","last_modified":"Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:38:35","article":"

Did anyone in the progressive world say the words, \"I support Saddam and his regime\"? No. Noboby even came remotely close to hinting at it.

Believe me, I searched for those words in every anti-war statement coming out of indymedia and every other progressive media, trying to understand where you people got the idea that we were pro-Saddam.

It is, admittedly, a delicate dance to describe a sentiment that is anti-war, but not \"objectively pro-Saddam\"(an inaccurate, slanderous term invented by corporate media, anyway). Especially not in neat little soundbites suitable for your short attention spans.

I believe the only criticism we must shoulder here at indymedia was assuming you would \"get it\", without having to waste so much energy explaining that simple point. I mean, seriously. You all KNOW that nobody in the progressive social justice movement was ever on Saddam's side? None of us actually mourn his capture. It's just upsetting that we have to spell it out for you people.

\"We cannot wait...for the mushroom cloud...\", and blah, blah, blah was all a lie. We know it, you know it, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!

It's already been proven that Iraq was disarmed, however sloppily and cruelly by sanctions, and posed no threat to other nations (never mind that we killed hundreds of thousands of civillians in the process).

That put aside, you should understand that the Iraqi civillians we bothered to ask before invading their country wanted to endure and work out regime change on their own time, in their own way. I, for one, believe they had the will to take back their country from any dictatorship without our help. The Bush admin. KNEW we wouldn't be welcomed as liberators, so 9-11 became the serendipitous propaganda springboard.

Not only did they NOT ask us to remove their dictator for them, what they have now is much, much worse. The media whores love pointing out the meager handful of children going back to school as proof of success, but what they don't like admitting is that we bombed many of their schools, threw out all their Saddam-era textbooks, and that no one can go to school now without dodging bullets on the way.

Capturing a deposed Saddam alive was a meaningless accident that Bush will use as a straw-grasping campaign trick. None of his other photo-ops have managed to fool us, but if it were feasible to airlift Saddam to Madison Square Garden, so the emperor could pose before the adoring masses with his boot planted firmly on the vanquished dictator's neck, I'm sure the White House Communications Office would be tempted to do it. I would not be suprised if George W. appears on the stage at next years' debates wearing a t-shirt with Saddam's mugshot on it.

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"It was inevitable to read the news anywhere on the net today without being bombarded by ignorent snarling coming from the "Send the Dixie Chicks to Guantanamo" crowd. ","numcomment":43,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/12\/97367.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":97370,"heading":"What a bunch of babbling blather...","article":"You claim that you don't support Saddam in one breath.\r\n\r\nThen you openly admit that you didn't support the forcible removal of him by America in the next breath.\r\n\r\nYour delusional thought causes you to believe that the Iraqi people could have, some how, removed Hussein of their own accord, without ending up in potter's graves.\r\n\r\nEither you're happy about the regime change or you are not. The Iraqis seem to be pretty happy by the way they're frolicking about on CNN right now.\r\n\r\nJust because you haven't openly spoken the phrase "I love Hussein" doesn't mean that you don't.\r\n\r\nActions speak louder than words. Your actions AND your words lead me to believe you'd rather have seen Hussein massacre his entire population than to to give your own worthless life for their liberation.\r\n\r\nThat makes you a coward and a traitor to humankind.","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 00:49:34","modified":"2003-12-16 00:49:34","fileurl":""},{"id":97372,"heading":"Tell Us Some More Of Your Lies","article":">Did anyone in the progressive world say the words, "I support Saddam and his regime"? No. Noboby even came remotely close to hinting at it. \r\n\r\nMax said it already, but I will too.\r\n\r\nBullshit!! You don't have to mouth the words. You either supported his forceable removal or you wanted him to stay in power. The world is often black and white and this is one of those times. Just because your liberal mind(lessness) makes you see 10,000 shades of gray everywhere you look is further evidence that you don't have any concept of reality.\r\n\r\n>You all KNOW that nobody in the progressive social justice movement was ever on Saddam's side? None of us actually mourn his capture. \r\n\r\nTells your lies somewhere else. He was your hero. You marched in the streets to protest his regime being destroyed. Don't try and make out like you're glad he's gone. It's going to fall on deaf ears. It's time to take responsibility for your past actions. You made your bed, lie in it.\r\n\r\nDamn, can't you weasles take a position on anything and stick with it? Grow a fucking backbone someday, will ya!!","author":".","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 01:01:22","modified":"2003-12-16 01:01:22","fileurl":""},{"id":97373,"heading":"au contraire (for you french lovers)","article":"Make absolutely NO MISTAKE. The anti-war crowd most assuredly supported Sadam. By DIRECTLY acting against his removal and the end of his murderous regime whether through economic sanctions or military actions, these stooges actively gave support to this bastard. There's no two ways around it. Cry all you want now that he's caught. But we all remeber the many pro Sadam marches from the beginning of this year. \r\nI was at some of them and there was NEVER a mention of his nearly million victims. Not a peep. Only American bashing for wanting to fight him AND islmic fascism.\r\n\r\nYou're all pathetic and merely figures of fun anymore.\r\n\r\nCry us a river.","author":"fresca762","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 01:01:32","modified":"2003-12-16 01:01:32","fileurl":""},{"id":97381,"heading":"funny stuff","article":"who threw the water into the chicken house? The racket... It's keeping the wolves awake.","author":"please","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 01:50:39","modified":"2003-12-16 01:50:39","fileurl":""},{"id":97382,"heading":"question","article":"so, when exactly did bush senior go from saddam lover to saddam hater.\r\n\r\nIf I remember correctly, he didn't kick him out of power.\r\n\r\nSo, by your logic, Bush Senior is a saddam lover.\r\nHe also argued publicly at one point, as reported in the NYT's that he didn't think the war was the best idea.\r\n\r\nSo, I guess Daddy Bush is a saddam lover too.\r\n\r\nOf course not. But your black and white logic is astounding. \r\n\r\n","author":"huh","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 01:50:48","modified":"2003-12-16 01:50:48","fileurl":""},{"id":97386,"heading":"By your logic...","article":"Bush senior should have EXACTLY the same views as everyone else in the GOP.\r\n\r\nRight?\r\n\r\nThat's not how it works among conservatives. We are individuals who respect each other's views and reach decisions by concensus, not by following the guy with the megaphone. \r\n\r\nWe're not communists.","author":"Barney","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 02:11:28","modified":"2003-12-16 02:11:28","fileurl":""},{"id":97389,"heading":"LOL","article":""That's not how it works among conservatives. We are individuals who respect each other's views and reach decisions by concensus, not by following the guy with the megaphone." \r\n\r\nHAHAAHAA That's is hilarious. I can't believe there's consensus in the Republican party when you have some gangbang hash head like Schwartzenegger and the late Strom (let's hide by negro baby) Thurmond in the same party. The only thing they can agree on is to treat women like b------s and to lie about their past.","author":"more rational","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 02:22:22","modified":"2003-12-16 02:22:22","fileurl":""},{"id":97390,"heading":"Saddam lover too","article":"When exactly did the Bush crime family actually control the white house when ex CIA director, Bush1 entered the office of vice president? Not too long after he was shot or in surgury for colon cancer(?). Mostly he stayed at the ranch while Bush1 ran things.\r\nHe sure didn't mind arming him to the teeth. I remember Henry Gonzales, on the floor of the House, trying to dissuade the vote on appropriations to Iraq through dept of Agriculture loans as he pointed out that they were being used for armorment. Republicans in lock step, with paid for Dems, passed it. \r\nI always laugh for this comic Usual Selective Amentia. \r\nI rate Max's post as usual, the most pompous, and fresca's the most retarded. Nothing new here. ","author":"again, please","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 02:36:29","modified":"2003-12-16 02:36:29","fileurl":""},{"id":97393,"heading":"Um...","article":"Do you realise you're not making any sense?\r\n\r\nThat was completely incoherent. I know it's a sad day and you upset and all, but try to consider who might be reading.","author":"Barney","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 02:56:18","modified":"2003-12-16 02:56:18","fileurl":""},{"id":97399,"heading":"please barney","article":"don't put words in my mouth.\r\nI didn't even bring up the word conservative. Not all conservatives supported the war (ie Ron Paul , a conservative republican from Texas).\r\n\r\n\r\nSo again, does the fact that George Bush senior didn't take out saddam the first time, and is on record for being at least a little skeptical about the war make him a saddam lover?\r\n\r\n\r\nI don't think so, but what do you think?\r\n","author":"huh","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 03:35:22","modified":"2003-12-16 03:35:22","fileurl":""},{"id":97413,"heading":"If you book the trolls, they will come!","article":"Its really funny how the trolls show up here and there trying to camoflage thought. Just the word gets fresca, nonanarchist, jon, max on board.\r\n\r\nEVERY TROLL IS HERE! WOW? THEY ARE STUPID.\r\n\r\nThis fresca is a real fuckin weirdo. She still hates the french? Why? america seemed to handle it right? You run around (sorry troll) on indymedia bashing this person and that person because they don't think like you, when you dont think at all. I read some older posts about this inglewood beating and I never ever heard such ridiculous statements in favor of police as yours. You are truly a fucked up individual. Please go away. Do you get a kick out of writing dumb shit? Did daddy beat you or the kids at school?\r\n\r\nSADDAM IS A BAD GUY.\r\n\r\nBUT, YOU DID NOT HAVE TO GO AND KILL THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE BECAUSE "DADDY" NEVER DID.\r\n\r\nThousands upon thousands of children died in an unjust war.\r\n\r\nWE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.\r\n\r\nThis "MANHUNT" cost billions of dollars and took the lives of many american soldiers. FOR WHAT? One man? \r\n\r\nDON"T FORGET RUMSFELD AND BUSH1 WERE BUDDY BUDDY WITH SADDAM AND ARMED HIM TO BEGIN WITH.\r\n\r\nThis "PERSONAL FIGHT" that we have all been "DRAGGED" into has not solved anything. SADDAM is NOT GONE! HE HAS NO WMD? HE WOULD HAVE USED THEM TODAY!\r\n\r\nI AM A PROTESTER AGAINST WAR!\r\n\r\nThat means any war. Especially wars with no reason or logic behind them. No justification for it. No support for it.\r\n\r\nLET THE RICH FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS & THERE WOULDNT BE NONE.\r\n\r\nYOU BLOODTHIRSTY CONSERVATIVE PILL POPPIN REPUBLICAN WARMONGERS BETTER START COUNTING YOUR DAYS. WE SHURE AS FUCK ARE!\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"EVERYTROLLISHERE","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-12-16 11:08:44","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:38","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/stopbush.jpgwygrcd.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/stopbush.jpgwygrcd.jpg"}},{"id":97414,"heading":"Conservatives are a partyin tonight!","article":"BLOODTHIRSTY LIARS PARTYIN TONIGHT!\r\n\r\n","author":"NOT HIPPOCRITICAL","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-12-16 11:13:01","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/bushbong.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/bushbong.jpg"}},{"id":97415,"heading":"W did not fight. big business did not fight?","article":"Sums it up.\r\n\r\nPartycrasher like w buzzkill","author":"hatesbush","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-12-16 11:19:17","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/awol.gif9ddobb.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/awol.gif9ddobb.gif"}},{"id":97416,"heading":"At what cost?","article":"At what cost did it take for this latest episode of "amerikkka's most wanted"?","author":"lefty","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-12-16 11:22:17","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/proud.gifjww97e.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/proud.gifjww97e.gif"}},{"id":97423,"heading":"Coffee Anon","article":"Two choices.\r\n\r\n1. Saddam stays in power.\r\n\r\n2. Saddam is removed.\r\n\r\nThat's all there are; there are no more possible options.\r\n\r\nNow, you so-called "progressives" (who want the US to progress to 1958 Soviet Union) opposed Option 2.\r\n\r\nThat means you automatically supported Option 1.\r\n\r\nSee how simple that is? No amount of spin on your part will lessen your guilt, your complicity in the murders commited by Saddam.\r\n\r\nNo amount of hand-washing in your pure self-righteous indignation will remove the blood on your hands.\r\n\r\nIt really is this simple: You worked (if the silly, effeminate waving of signs and chanting can be called work) to allow Saddam to keep killing and torturing Iraqis. You arrogantly assumed you knew what was better for the Iraqis than the Iraqis did...despite your never having been there. You hid behind the protections of the Constitution and denied Iraqis those same basic human rights. You sat over here in your relative luxury and said the Iraqis didn't deserve the same opportunites.\r\n\r\nWorst and most contemptable of all was the racist, superior attitude of the (cowardly, as it turned out) human shields. "They Coalition won't DARE bomb us, because we're white Westerners!"\r\n\r\nFace it, you prog scum: You don't and never have given a DAMN about Iraqis. All you wanted to do is foil the goals of the Bush administration, and you don't care how many little brown people you sacrificed to achieve your aim.\r\n\r\nSave your denials. Your lies are too obvious.","author":"nonanarchist0642","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 12:02:24","modified":"2003-12-16 12:02:24","fileurl":""},{"id":97428,"heading":"nonanarchists is a dipshit","article":"Your a dipshit.\r\n\r\nNobody wanted the war in the first place quit patting yourself on the back like you did somethin to help you fuckin weirdo.\r\n\r\nNONANARCHIST IS A CHICKENHAWK.\r\n\r\nGod you don't even make sense.","author":"lefty liberal democrat progressive","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-12-16 12:32:09","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/chickenhawkdown.giflo2stl.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/chickenhawkdown.giflo2stl.gif"}},{"id":97430,"heading":"The bitter leftists are pitching hissy fits.","article":"Scroll up and witness the tantrums of leftwing rabble. \r\n\r\nHow delightfully tacky, yet unrefined. Makes me hungry for Hooter's hot wings.\r\n\r\nYes, yes leftys. There, there. We know your hero has fallen. No tears now, chins up!\r\n\r\nSomeone posted a plea to the indymedia "trolls", and the fifth column leftists gets mad when we actually respond.\r\n\r\nThis thread is representative of the battles being waged in Iraq. Here we have the the unified and liberating truth of the indymedia conservative "occupiers", and the vile and venomous hatred of the fifth column insurgents that desparately wish to undermine it.\r\n\r\nThe only problem is that the truth can never be undermined.","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 13:34:03","modified":"2003-12-16 13:34:03","fileurl":""},{"id":97450,"heading":"We are all leaders of the left","article":"You people are fuckin sick. So proud of your boy bush for wasting billions of dollars and millions of jobs while hunting down his daddy's friend. BIG DEAl. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SADDAM ONLY YOU SICKO'S CARE!\r\n\r\nTHAT IS NOT IMPORTANT.\r\n\r\nYou bloodthirsty monsters are just sick. Fuckin sick.\r\n\r\nAs for the leaderless left, well keep thinkin that. You did not win shit. You are still occupying a country that does not want you there. You are such cowards like you won the war?\r\n\r\nI would get a job but your HERO busch threw them all away to sweatshops overseas. what is it 9 million or more jobs lost under bush? Wow Good thing I sell pot to little kids!\r\n\r\nYour message stinks. The children are allready ours! You can't fuck with what we got. CHICKENHAWKS","author":"dems","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-12-16 14:41:20","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/nazi2.jpg6sgifd.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/nazi2.jpg6sgifd.jpg"}},{"id":97473,"heading":"Simple","article":"Actually, by deed if not explicitly by word the Left DID support Saddam Hussein, and did everything they could to "prevent war" and extend the life of the Ba'athist regime.\r\n\r\nHow many were found in those mass graves again?\r\n\r\nAnd you and yours went so far as to send ignorant meat shields to protect Saddam's regime. Nice.\r\n\r\nThe Left is full of cowardly do-nothings that subscribe to failed ideologies and worship dictators.\r\n\r\nHang your heads for shame.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 15:58:58","modified":"2003-12-16 15:58:58","fileurl":""},{"id":97475,"heading":"simon is psycho!","article":"your post is lame. you are so angry. It is your ideaology that is no more. So afrais of the left. Thats why all you trolls post here. YOU ARE SO AFRAID OF THE LEFT. CAUSE YOU SEE IT COMING AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW DO YOU. YOUR OLD ASS IDEAS AND STICKIN AROUND. YOUR ALMOST DEAD AND AFRAID OF THE YOUTH AND LEFT. YOU MAKE NO SENSE. WE ARE STRONG. YOU ARE VERY WEEK.","author":"nonsimon","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-12-16 16:07:31","modified":"2005-08-15 01:49:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/rockthevote.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/rockthevote.gif"}},{"id":97479,"heading":"Dear nonsimon","article":"If you truly espouse the blather you spew, you are a sick and twisted waste of flesh and bone. You have serious mental problems, sicko. \r\n\r\nGet some help.\r\n\r\n","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 16:16:38","modified":"2003-12-16 16:16:38","fileurl":""},{"id":97486,"heading":"There will never be a real trial of Saddam Hussein","article":"Either the US will make a deal with him for easy terms, he will mysteriously die in prison, or there will be some kind of military style tribunal with regulated testimony and a military lawyer for Hussein. Otherwise, he would be likely to discuss the following: CIA assistance in putting him in power in the first place, encouragement from Reagan and Bush to launch the bloody and unprovoked invasion of Iran in 1980, the gas and other weapons of mass destruction he received from the US, US naval assistance he received during the war with Iran, the go-ahead Hussein received from Bush 1 to launch the invasion of Kuwait before Bush then doublecrossed him, the slant-drilling Kuwait was doing to get Iraqi oil (one of the causes of the invasion), encouragement Hussein received from various US administrations to suppress Shiites and Marxists, knowledge he may have of US collaboration with Bin Laden, and intelligence assistance Hussein received from the CIA in picking Iranian targets. And, finally , his possible knowledge of any nuclear threats that Israel has made to Arab nations and which the US did not seek to prevent.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 17:20:48","modified":"2003-12-16 17:20:48","fileurl":""},{"id":97488,"heading":"But what the fuck do I know?","article":"I'm an idiot that wouldn't know my crooked pecker from an Iraqi oil rig. And I haven't bathed in weeks...","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 17:37:04","modified":"2003-12-16 17:37:04","fileurl":""},{"id":97490,"heading":"to nonanarchist","article":"Two choices. \r\n\r\n1. Saddam stays in power. \r\n\r\n2. Saddam is removed. \r\n\r\n"That's all there are; there are no more possible options. "\r\n\r\n\r\nI completely agree - so why did our military, under Bush sr., not take the opportunity to remove his regime while they were there the first time? \r\n\r\nWouldn't that've saved a lot of lives, time, money, etc.? \r\n\r\nWhere was the famous American unilateral will then?\r\n\r\nAnybody?","author":"Coffee Anon","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 17:43:21","modified":"2003-12-16 17:43:21","fileurl":""},{"id":97494,"heading":"Coffee anon","article":"I'll give it a go.\r\n\r\nBush Sr. followed the U.N. resolution to a "T", which only called for the forcible removal of Saddam from Kuwait, not to pursue him back into Baghdad.\r\n\r\nYou're absolutely right that Bush Sr. should have squashed that roach back then, but unfortunately he was too nice.\r\n\r\nHe paid the price in that it cost him his re-election. And the rest of us paid the price in that we had to deal with 8 years of that philandering Clinton.\r\n\r\nThings have changed now. 9-11 is behind us and Bush W. isn't as nice as his father.","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 18:10:30","modified":"2003-12-16 18:10:30","fileurl":""},{"id":97508,"heading":"mass graves","article":"And why was it that Carter, Reagan, and Bush 1 were enthusiastically supporting Saddam Hussein while he was putting people in those mass graves? It couldn't be that they thought his actions were serving the interests of US corporations, could it? And why did the US turn against him all of a sudden? Because all of a sudden the US felt guilty about the mass graves? Or because they thought that Hussein was becoming too powerful and independent and because Bush 1 was being prodded by zionists and by Israel that Iraq was becoming a military threat to the Holy State? The campaing against Hussein began months before the invasion of Kuwait, with alarming stories planted in news magazines about how Iraq's "might" somehow formed a threat to the United States. ","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 19:02:22","modified":"2003-12-16 19:02:22","fileurl":""},{"id":97511,"heading":"Regardless","article":"Regardless of the fact that your knowledge of history and the complexities of US foriegn policy are rather limited (to be kind), let's just assume that the last 12 or so years of anti_Iraq actions have been on behalf of Israel.\r\n\r\nSo why not. As the ONLY democratic and non-barbaric state in the whole of the middle east. And as our one true ally fighting on the front lines against the global pestilence of extrem islam, why on earth wouldn't we act to destroy any threats to it?\r\n\r\nAre you really that stupid to not get it?\r\n\r\nIsrael is the only place that counts in that entire part of the world.","author":"fresca765343","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 19:12:22","modified":"2003-12-16 19:12:22","fileurl":""},{"id":97512,"heading":"my lord this is funny","article":"fresca is calling someone elses grasp of history limited!\r\nFROTFLMAO!","author":"Harpo","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 19:38:05","modified":"2003-12-16 19:38:05","fileurl":""},{"id":97514,"heading":"mass graves","article":"So Israel is the only nation that counts. Nothing like admitting that the mass graves don't have anything to do with anything. Cut out the hypocrisy, Fresca baby. I be you've really shed a lot of tears over the 25,000 people put in graves by the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 19:43:55","modified":"2003-12-16 19:43:55","fileurl":""},{"id":97515,"heading":"mass graves","article":"So Israel is the only nation that counts. Nothing like admitting that the mass graves don't have anything to do with anything. Cut out the hypocrisy, Fresca baby. I be you've really shed a lot of tears over the 25,000 people put in graves by the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 19:44:33","modified":"2003-12-16 19:44:33","fileurl":""},{"id":97525,"heading":"The Israel thing is pretty tired.","article":"Seems like everything with these leftists revolves around Israel.\r\n\r\nI ain't Jewish and I ain't Islamist. It ain't my fight, and I really don't care how it turns out. I support the Jews because:\r\n\r\n1.) Israel belongs to them. Period. They had no place to go during the holocaust, and now they have a home.\r\n\r\n2.) Islam has demonstrated itself a radical religion; it's inhumanity knows no bounds. Any religion that dictates you to strap bombs to your children, castrate your daughters, and fly planes into skyscrapers is a pestilence that should be eradicated.\r\n\r\nFurthermore, the situation in Iraq has absolutely NOTHING to do with the situation in Israel.\r\n\r\nWhat it has to do with is mass graves, 9-11, and threatening postures of tyranical third world radical islamic dictators that defy Global resolutions for decades.\r\n\r\nI bet Hussein is pissing his pants right about now. I bet he's kicking the shit out of himself.\r\n\r\nHe was a billionaire. He was leader of a huge chunk of profitable middle eastern real estate. He could have been the saviour of all of Islam, and instead he chose to be a pissant defiant third world scumbag.\r\n\r\nNow he's in chains and the bell doth toll...","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 21:13:41","modified":"2003-12-16 21:13:41","fileurl":""},{"id":97530,"heading":"more nonsense","article":"Mass graves and 9\/11 had nothing to do with the illegal invasion of Iraq. They were weak justifications used after the fact, when everyone saw what a lie the wmd story was. Saddam did not carry out 9\/11, and while he executed a large number of people, the United States was enthusiastically backing him while he did it, as well as when he launched his illegal invasion of Iran. Israel had a great deal to do with the war; zionist lobbyists and pro-zionist people in the US Congress (such as Lieberman) were among the most enthusiastic backers of the war, and the zionist neocons around Bush shouted energetically for it. Bush carried out the war with the double aim of pleasing the oil companies and pleasing zionist pressure groups; mass graves and fantasies of Hussein planning 9\/11 or possessing nuclear weapans played no role at all, except as instruments to shore up support for the war among the simple minded.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 21:27:24","modified":"2003-12-16 21:27:24","fileurl":""},{"id":97531,"heading":"Meyer London, Ex-lax called.","article":"They want to give you your money back. They think you so stopped-up, their product doesn't stand a chance.\r\n\r\nYour constipation is just too thick. They recommended Liquid Drain-O","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 21:32:58","modified":"2003-12-16 21:32:58","fileurl":""},{"id":97535,"heading":"Very intelligent rebuttal,","article":"Milk of Magnesia Brain. Nothing like a response like that to indicate complete intellectual bankruptcy.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 21:50:52","modified":"2003-12-16 21:50:52","fileurl":""},{"id":97537,"heading":"Heh heh! He said "reBUTTal"","article":"When you premise your arguments on prevarication and degeneracy, there really is very little of substance left to reBUTT.\r\n\r\nbutthead.","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 21:55:03","modified":"2003-12-16 21:55:03","fileurl":""},{"id":97552,"heading":"another message from Max Laxative","article":"I rest my case.","author":"Meyer London","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 23:52:42","modified":"2003-12-16 23:52:42","fileurl":""},{"id":97604,"heading":"hmmm","article":"Any of the other middle eastern countries would probably charge in, flatten palestine, kill all the leaders and congradulate themselves on a job well done if they were in a similar situation to israel.\r\nAnd the liberal left wouldn't even notice.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-17 04:50:00","modified":"2003-12-17 04:50:00","fileurl":""},{"id":97609,"heading":"Tripe","article":""Thousands upon thousands of children died in an unjust war. "\r\n\r\nThis is a perfect example of the mindlessness of the typical figure of fun around here.\r\n\r\nFirst of all the war was absolutely "just" but I'll grant that that's a matter of opinion, but trying to claim that "thousands and thousands" of children died is simply nonsense. There's no evidence of that. There's not even any claims of that from the inane leftist lie machines.\r\n\r\nYou're an ass. Plain and simple.\r\n\r\nAnd as far as the Inglewood case goes, I'm flattered that I've captivated you so much that you've searched my posts.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca553474","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-17 07:00:30","modified":"2003-12-17 07:00:30","fileurl":""},{"id":97614,"heading":"Not a single one","article":""So Israel is the only nation that counts. "\r\n\r\nIn the middle East? Of course. Not even close. In the civilized world? Nope. Simply one of many.\r\n\r\n\r\n"Nothing like admitting that the mass graves don't have anything to do with anything."\r\n\r\nShow me one instance where I've mentioned Sadams mass murders and graves as anything other than a barometer of what an evil and obvious threat he was to us and others. After 9-11, we of course needed to finally intervene in the middle eawst militarily. Iraq, with this monster in charge was simply a convienient and justified place to start and base operations. Had Syria or Iran a leader as unabashedly evil and high profile as Saddam, we might have started there. \r\n\r\n" Cut out the hypocrisy, Fresca baby. I be you've really shed a lot of tears over the 25,000 people put in graves by the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982."\r\n\r\nNope. not a one. Most of these "palestinians" were killed by Lebanese Christians and any other of arafats monsters who caught one is good riddance.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca45365","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-17 08:05:24","modified":"2003-12-17 08:05:24","fileurl":""},{"id":97694,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"If Caducada cut out the hypocrisy she wouldn't have anything left to post....\r\n\r\n...but...hey...she is Republican...if you're expecting honesty and integrity you came to the wrong party....","author":"KPC","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-18 00:13:04","modified":"2003-12-18 00:13:04","fileurl":""},{"id":97757,"heading":"fresca max lose this arguement big time!","article":"Meyer London you kick ass!!! Shut em down. Shut them the fuck down.\r\n\r\n\r\nproves my point that they are just hate filled monsters all outta gas.\r\n\r\n\r\nWow They totally lost this arguement. The right wing nutcases.\r\n\r\nThats why you republican dipshits will lose.\r\n\r\nHave fun cause your going to LOSE BIG. Like you allways do on IMC.","author":"liberal","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-18 12:54:01","modified":"2003-12-18 12:54:01","fileurl":""},{"id":97766,"heading":"Lost what argument?","article":"I haven't seen a valid one presented by you leftists in this thread yet.\r\n\r\nThe only thing I've seen so far is a bunch of whining, pissing, moaning and complaining.\r\n\r\nBottom line is that Saddam is gonna fry like an albino on the beach, and that doesn't seem to make you liberals very happy.","author":"Max","parent_id":97367,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-18 13:38:35","modified":"2003-12-18 13:38:35","fileurl":""}]}