{"article":{"id":93196,"heading":"Recent events at LA-IMC predicted","author":"Rational Normal Person","created":"2003-11-07 07:07:57","modified":"2013-11-11 00:27:28","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:27:28","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>Discussion spawned from <a href=\"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/08\/78363.php\">http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/08\/78363.php<\/a> but in a FORUM!!!!!!!!! <br><br>  <br>  <br> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kobehq.com\/KOBEBOARDS3\/FORUM\/thread-view.asp?threadid=1044\">http:\/\/www.kobehq.com\/KOBEBOARDS3\/FORUM\/thread-view.asp?threadid=1044<\/a> <br><br> \"\"Look around the IMC sites. some are zoos, others just give news. <br><br> There is a reason.........\"\" <br><br> <snip> <br><br> \"\"The IMC sites that are just informative don't have the \"comments\" function. You know, the link you click on and it shows you the latest comments. Those are just chat rooms. (LA SF.....) <br><br> However the sites such as Boston IMC just post articles and nobody really comments, it does not \"bump the thread to the top\" <br><br> I sort of like the yahoo news system where you can  forum chat about the article but it is separate. Combined with the BBC system where they invite you to comment on a topic. That is strictly moderated. The comments are delayed and screened so the comments on an article are just that. comments on the article. The discussion an article spawns should be in a discussion thread. There the topic can develop. <br><br> Look at how many news articles on LA IMC develop into \"discussions\" about nothing to do with the article! Here you got the mix, a news posting and comment section and then a back end free for all forum. <br><br> On LA IMC the majority of \"news\" items posted are things that on a forum would be topics. LA IMC is running a BBS using newswire code.\"\" <br><br>  Now, if LA-IMC would just take the lead and open a free for all forum so all the people here could discuss issues with the newswire and comments section seperate and moderated so that only comments on the NEWS article were allowed then that would be perfect! <br><br> You need to define what is \"NEWS\" and what is a \"TOPIC\" then news and comments on that news are in one section, Topics and general discussion points are in another section. <br><br> Registering a username would help stop people posting under other peoples \"identities\" and we could bring some sort of order to the anarchy that has destroyed LA-IMC.  <br><br> You have anarchy here at the moment, anarchy you are trying to bring under control. You are combatting DISORDER. <br><br> To end.......... <br><br> One entry found for anarchy. <br><br> Main Entry: an&middot;ar&middot;chy   <br>  <br> Pronunciation: 'a-n&amp;r-kE, -\"n&auml;r- <br>  <br> Function: noun <br>  <br> Etymology: Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler -- more at ARCH- <br>  <br> Date: 1539 <br>  <br> 1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government <br>  <br> 2 a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : DISORDER <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature israel shenker> <br><br> i.e LA-IMC <br><br> Thank you for your time. <br>  <br> <\/not><\/snip><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"The recent removal of the &quot;Latest Comments&quot; function at LA-IMC was predicted, and is the right way to go.\r\n\r\n","numcomment":6,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/11\/93196.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":93198,"heading":"False definition of anarchy.","article":"Anarchy is not against order.  Anarchy is against externally imposed order.  Individuals choosing to coordinate their activities with one another on a voluntary basis and in a non hierarchical configuration are anarchist.","author":"Anarchist","parent_id":93196,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-07 07:15:56","modified":"2003-11-07 07:15:56","fileurl":""},{"id":93200,"heading":"Please define &quot;external&quot;","article":"&quot;&quot;Anarchy is against externally imposed order. Individuals choosing to coordinate their activities with one another on a voluntary basis and in a non hierarchical configuration are anarchist.&quot;&quot;\r\n\r\nSo when a group of individuals coordinating their activities with each other decide that the three individuals that are volunteering to cook the supper are not doing a good job what happens in a non hierarchical configuration?????\r\n\r\nWho or what imposes order?\r\n\r\nAnarchy to be succesful needs a quorum system to solve problems within the configuration. However that involves votes, and a majority rule....... and by definition is no longer anarchy but a democratic system.\r\n\r\nAnarchists need a &quot;system&quot; but they just don't want the one we have. Plain and simple.\r\n\r\nLook at the threads on the ignore and ban threads in here. The anarchists are the ones wanting to restore &quot;normality&quot; \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":93196,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-07 07:31:12","modified":"2003-11-07 07:31:12","fileurl":""},{"id":93207,"heading":"a few comments","article":"Yes, the people are using the newswire as a BBS or forum.  Like most BBSs and forums that deal with politics, it's gone to hell.  So we're stopping *one* BBS-like feature, popular with trolls, for now, until we can come up with something better.\r\n\r\nWe're not trying to run a BBS here.  At one time, there *was* a discussion forum, and some people used it, but none of the IMCers and few community people ever read it.\r\n\r\nPersonally, I approach the site as an information resource for a community of several thousand leftist and liberal-left people in LA who are involved with, or want to get involved with,  local and international political issues.  Everything, and everyone else is secondary to this constituency.\r\n\r\nRegarding the lousy cooks - you tell them they aren't satisfactory.  If you can't do that, and you have to go get mommy to take care of business, you're not going to make much of an anarchist.  Likewise, personal responsibility is vital to an anarchist society.  (I could use some work in that regard.)\r\n\r\n&quot;Anarchy to be succesful needs a quorum system to solve problems within the configuration. However that involves votes, and a majority rule....... and by definition is no longer anarchy but a democratic system. &quot;\r\n\r\nYou don't know what anarchism is.  Democracy is inherent in most of the better known forms of anarchism.  The IMC, for example, employs a decisionmaking system called &quot;consensus.&quot;  It's analagous to Robert's Rules, but instead of voting, it focuses on formulating group decisions\/actions that are satisfactory to all (within the group).  Consensus has it's limits, but, the spirit of the system is cooperation and collective action, and within small groups, is democratic.  Decision making rights are limited to those who contribute some personal labor toward the IMC project, and attend f2f meetings.\r\n\r\n- another imc volunteer","author":"johnk","parent_id":93196,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-07 09:51:34","modified":"2003-11-07 09:51:34","fileurl":""},{"id":93257,"heading":"LA-IMC Runs Amuck!","article":"Whiny, pisant leftists should not be allowed run trains or operate websites.\r\n\r\nWe all knew it was going to happen sooner or later!","author":"Choo chooooo!","parent_id":93196,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-11-07 21:20:23","modified":"2005-08-15 01:47:11","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/11\/mdf399670.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/11\/mdf399670.jpg"}},{"id":93258,"heading":"Train","article":"The locomotive appears to have come off the rails by leaning too far to the left, and the marking on its face clearly reads DEM.\r\n\r\nIt's nice to have visual proof of something we've been saying for a long time.\r\n\r\n","author":"derailed to the left","parent_id":93196,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-07 21:23:34","modified":"2003-11-07 21:23:34","fileurl":""}]}