{"article":{"id":90588,"heading":"More direct and damning eyewitness evidence USS Liberty attact was intentional","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","created":"2003-10-25 05:42:20","modified":"2003-10-29 22:39:16","last_modified":"Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:39:16","article":"

Israeli Pilot Speaks Up Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli

pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews

with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role.

According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty

as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to

ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so

and returned to base, where he was arrested.

This Month in History

The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

By James M. Ennes Jr.

June 1993, Page 19

Twenty-six years have passed since that clear day on June 8, 1967 when

Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats,

killing 34 young men and wounding 171. The attack in international

waters followed over nine hours of close surveillance. Israeli pilots

circled the ship at low level 13 times on eight different occasions

before attacking. Radio operators in Spain, Lebanon, Germany and

aboard the ship itself all heard the pilots reporting to their

headquarters that this was an American ship. They attacked anyway. And

when the ship failed to sink, the Israeli government concocted an

elaborate story to cover the crime.

There is no question that this attack on a U.S. Navy ship was

deliberate. This was a coordinated effort involving air, sea,

headquarters and commando forces attacking over a long period. It was

not the \"few rounds of misdirected fire\" that Israel would have the

world believe. Worse, the Israeli excuse is a gross and detailed

fabrication that disagrees entirely with the eyewitness recollections

of survivors. Key American leaders call the attack deliberate. More

important, eyewitness participants from the Israeli side have told

survivors that they knew they were attacking an American ship.



Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty

survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman

Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior

Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately,

so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag

and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base,

where he was arrested.

Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an

Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The

attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they

were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the

statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.



The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S.

Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has

confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland

Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by

authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any

interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.

Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that

this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman

of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. \"I can never accept

the claim that this was a mistaken attack, \" he insists.

Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the

attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong

language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency,

National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the

victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers

such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of

State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders

continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a \"tragic

accident\" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic

surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian

horse transport.

Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has ever found the courage

to ever found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly

demanding a proper accounting from Israel.

How Does Congress React to These Complaints?

Most members of Congress respond to inquiries about the Liberty with

seemingly sympathetic promises to \"investigate. \" Weeks or months

later they write again to report their \"findings\": \"The Navy

investigated in 1967 and found no evidence that the attack was

deliberate,\" they say. \"Israel apologized, calling the attack a tragic

case of misidentification, and paid damages for loss of life, injuries

and property damage. The matter is closed.

The fact is, however, that the Navy's \"investigation\" examined only the

quality of the crew's training, the adequacy of communications and the

performance of the crew under fire. The Navy was forbidden to examine

Israeli culpability and Navy investigators refused to allow testimony

showing that the attack was deliberate or that Israel's excuse was

untrue.

The Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions.

Instead of determining whether the attack was deliberate, the Navy

blocked all testimony about Israeli actions. No survivor was permitted

to describe the close in machine-gun fire that continued for 40 minutes

after Israel claims all firing stopped. No survivor was allowed to

talk about the life rafts the Israeli torpedomen machine-gunned in the

water. No survivor was permitted to challenge defects and fabrications

in Israel's story. Even my eyewitness testimony as officer-of-the deck

was withheld from the official record. No evidence of Israeli

culpability was \"found\" because no such testimony was allowed. To

survivors, this was not an investigation. It was a cover-up.



Congress Goes Through the Motions

Occasionally a member of Congress will seem to probe a bit deeper, as

Ted Kennedy once did. In response to requests, Kennedy asked Liberty

survivors and others for input,whichhis staff then \"studied\" for more

than a year.

Kennedy asked no questions, conducted no interviews, and showed no

curiosity about the many discrepancies in Israel's story. Then Kennedy

reported his \"findings\" in a letter to survivors. Carefully avoiding

the circumstances of the attack, Kennedy's letter deplored the \"tragic

circumstances and loss of life\" and declared that the facts about the

Liberty must be uncovered \"to the maximum extent humanly possible. \"



That letter, however, represented Kennedy's maximum effort. Appeals to

Kennedy for some real help go unanswered.

The Guest Goes On

The best forum in the '90sfor this story and related stories of the

Middle East may well be electronic mail, the complex of computer and

electronic mail systems that now span the globe.

For instance, the USS Liberty and theMiddle East are hot topics in the

\"Prodigy interactive computer service\" run by Sears and IBM. With over

2 million members, Prodigy's \"Israel\" forums guarantee some lively and

often bitter debates.

Unfortunately, the playing field often seems uneven. The cover-up side

heavily outnumbers its critics, and is allowed tactics rarely

tolerated from others. Criticism of Israeli policies is seen as

\"attacks on the Jewish homeland. \" Pro-Israel debaters charge that

Israel's critics are \"disciples of hate,\" and \"pathological haters of

Israel and all things Jewish. \"

The language gets worse. Prodigy allows Israel's critics to be called

\"sodomists,\" and \"derriere bussing antiSemites. \" The Washington

Report on Middle East Affairs, which prints an update on progress

toward a congressional investigation every year on the June anniversary

of the tragedy, comes in for special vitriol. The magazine is

described almost daily as I a hate rag.\" Yet Prodigy's censors often

reject even mild and factual rebuttals of such charges as \"insulting.

\"

Despite a near media blackout, and such invective directed at

publications that defy it, Americans, do continue to support the USS

Liberty and its survivors' association. Late last year the Veterans of

Foreign Wars Post 560 in Zimmerman, Minnesota, raised over $12,000 to

create a rest stop and picnic area on donated land near a major highway

as a memorial to the men who died on the Liberty. This makes the 29th

public memorial to the USS Liberty.

The memorial area and an inscribed granite stone were appropriately

dedicated in a ceremony attended by survivors, VFW members, Mayor

Randy Hanson, and Liberty's heroic Congressional Medal of

Honor-winning skipper, Captain William McGonagle, among others.

Inspired by community support, members of Post 560 are now telling the

USS Liberty story to every VFW post in Minnesota. Member Stan Wuolle

tells us that after they cover all of Minnesota, they will start on

Wisconsin and the Dakotas.

In New York, meanwhile, Korean War veteran John Everts learned about

the attack just last year and was similarly moved. Everts inspired

two Korean vets groups in which he is active, \"The Chosin Few\" and

\"The Korean War Veterans\" Kivlehan Chapter, to write more than 100

letters to Congress seeking the investigation that survivors mill are

denied.

To date, no member of Congress has risked re-election chances by

agreeing publicly to Evert's request. No one really expected that to

happen. But efforts like these help members of Congress and the

American public remember that Israel attacked the USS Liberty,

deliberately and then lied about it. Sooner or later, Americans will

insist that their government and their representatives in Congress

find out why.

James Ennes retired from the Navy in 1978 as a lieutenant commander

after 27 years of enlisted and commissioned service. He was a

lieutenant on the bridge of the USS Liberty on the day of the attack.

His book on the subject, Assault on the Liberty (Random House, 1980),

is a \"Notable Naval Book \" selection of the U. S. Naval Institute and

was \"editors' choice \" when reviewed in The Washington Post. Copies of

the book are available from the American Educational Trust, publisher

of this magazine, at $7.95 for one, $11.95 for two.





About James Ennes’ Assault on the Liberty

\"I've never read a more graphic depiction of war and its effects at sea

... an insider's book by an honest participant.\"

—Author Seymour Hersh

\"If this book received more attention, U.S. policies in the Middle East

might be better balanced and more successful.\"

—Former U.S. Senator Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

\"Searing heat and terrible noise came suddenly from everywhere. Heat

came first, and it was heat-not cannon fire-that Caused me to turn

away. An explosion tossed our gunners high in the air-spinning, broken,

like rag dolls. We were being pounded by a deadly barrage of aircraft

cannon and rocket fire.

\"A solid blanket of force threw me against A railing. My arm held me up

while the attacker passed overhead, followed by a loud swoosh, then

silence. I seemed to be the only one left standing as the jet

disappeared astern of us. Around me, scattered about carelessly, men

squirmed helplessly, like wounded animals-wide-eyed, terrified, not

understanding what had happened.\"

—From Assault on the Liberty





<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Here's a repost of this article because a troll trashed the thread after it was originally posted, while text can be formatted to work around it, pictures are not appearing","numcomment":30,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/10\/90588.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":90589,"heading":"here's a good picture of the flag israel claimed they couldn't see","article":"Stern view of the ship, displaying normal steaming colors. This is the flag that \r\nIsrael claims its pilots and torpedomen could not see. While the attack was \r\nunderway, an even larger flag was hoisted. That, too, they claim not to have seen.\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-10-25 05:45:53","modified":"2005-08-15 01:45:55","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/uss_li_3.jpglygo9f.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/uss_li_3.jpglygo9f.jpg"}},{"id":90592,"heading":"Here's the same photograph zoomed in a bit","article":"Stern view of the ship, displaying normal steaming colors. This is the flag that Israel claims its pilots and torpedomen could not see. While the attack was underway, an even larger flag was hoisted. That, too, they claim not to have seen.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n" And after the normal flag was shot down early on, McGonagle ordered signalmen to hoist the bright new holiday ensign, measuring 7-by-13 feet."\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-10-25 10:05:36","modified":"2005-08-15 01:45:55","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/uss_li_4.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/uss_li_4.jpg"}},{"id":90597,"heading":"DOA DOA DOA my ass !","article":"FOX News - 23 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCBS News - 23 hours ago\r\nNewsday - 23 Oct 2003\r\nNew York Post, NY - 23 Oct 2003\r\nArizona Republic, AZ - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCBS News - 22 hours ago\r\nMinneapolis Star Tribune, MN - 23 Oct 2003\r\nToronto Star, Canada - 23 Oct 2003\r\nJerusalem Post, Israel - 23 Oct 2003\r\nToronto Star, Canada - 23 Oct 2003\r\nBoston Globe, MA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNewsday - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Scotsman, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 22 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPalestine Chronicle - 14 hours ago\r\nPHXNews, United States - 22 hours ago\r\nKFSN, CA - 22 hours ago\r\nPravda, Russia - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCharleston Post Courier, SC - 23 Oct 2003\r\nBillings Gazette, MT - 23 Oct 2003\r\nMontgomery County Record, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nHuntsville Item, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRapid City Journal, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Porterville Recorder, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDunn County News, WI - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSanta Maria Times, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMunster Times, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMilton Daily Standard, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAppeal-Democrat, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSpringfield News Leader, MO - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNews Journal, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRocky Mount Telegram, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nCharleston Sunday Gazette Mail, WV - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFredericksburg.com, VA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMunster Times, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRapid City Journal, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBillings Gazette, MT - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSanta Maria Times, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nHuntsville Item, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDunn County News, WI - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMilton Daily Standard, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Porterville Recorder, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRocky Mount Telegram, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAppeal-Democrat, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAnchorage Daily News, AK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFredericksburg.com, VA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDuluth News Tribune, MN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPenn Live, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nTacoma News Tribune, WA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRaleigh News, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAberdeen American News, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNews Journal, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMacon Telegraph, GA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSacramento Bee, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBelleville News-Democrat, IL - 22 Oct 2003\r\nWilkes Barre Weekender, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nColumbus Ledger-Enquirer, GA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGrand Forks Herald, ND - 22 Oct 2003\r\nphillyburbs.com, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nWichita Eagle, KS - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFort Wayne Journal Gazette, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBiloxi Sun Herald, MS - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPenn Live, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAkron Beacon Journal, OH - 22 Oct 2003\r\nCentre Daily Times, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\n\r\nThis is just a small partial list of this story's world-wide coverage so far. I said it went world-wide and that hundreds of millions of people have seen it..\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 10:41:44","modified":"2003-10-25 10:41:44","fileurl":""},{"id":90604,"heading":"Hex","article":">This is just a small partial list of this story's world-wide coverage so far. I said it went world-wide and that hundreds of millions of people have seen it.\r\n\r\nNo doubt! Just look at world reaction! It's MASSIVE!!\r\n\r\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n(repost)\r\n\r\nArticles Draw Attention To USS Liberty - Worldwide Protests\r\n\r\nThe worldwide outrage of the incidents leading up to the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel and the major media blitz since yesterday.\r\n\r\nAfter a long day of making money by exploiting the working poor, I came home yesterday and flipped on the computer. I came to LA-IMC to catch up on the latest nonsense, when lo and behold someone by the name of \u201cHex anon w\/ encryption\u201d is telling everyone how articles just published regarding the 1967 incident with the USS Liberty and the Israeli Air Force, as he put it,\u201cwhen they see the mainstream media spread this story world-wide to millions of people in an unprecedented exposure of the truth that nails Israel cold and starts a chain reaction of suspicion and fact finding.\u201d \r\n\r\nNaturally, I was suspicious. October 15, 2003 had passed by and I had noticed that this Hex fellow had been caught in another lie, so why should I believe him now. I casually laughed it off and went to eat dinner and watch the game. \r\n\r\nWhen I turned on the TV, instead of the game, the network was with the national newsanchor giving a special report, \u201cUSS Liberty: Worldwide Outrage\u201d. What?!? How could this be true? I changed the channel. Every major network: ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNBC, MSNBC, even PBS and ESPN were all reporting on the new revelations regarding the USS Liberty! Worldwide protests around the globe, millions upon millions in the streets in London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Athens, Moscow, Beijing, Hong Kong, Sydney, Tokyo, New Delhi, Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City, and in all the major Canadian and US cities. Billions and billions of people in the street chanting, marching, carrying signs saying \u201cUSS Liberty: Whatreallyhappened?\u201d I couldn\u2019t believe my eyes! Hex was right! \r\n\r\nI went back online and checked all the major on-line news sources. Everyone of them, reports on the USS Liberty dominated the headlines and content. \r\n\r\nThis is too much. I called my friend. We\u2019ve been working on a mod race car, rebuilding the engine and we had meant to get together after the weekend to continue our work. When I call him up, instead of the usual \u201cHello\u201d, he says \u201cI don\u2019t know who this is calling, but can you believe this USS Liberty shit!?! We need to investigate this and get to the bottom of what happened!\u201d \r\n\r\nThis morning I get up to confirm a meeting with a client. His business, a total of over 800 employees, are all taking the day off to march in solidarity over the new information regarding the USS Liberty. \r\n\r\nI get the newspapers this morning. The New York Times, the LA Times and The Wall Street Journal, all have dedicated their entire newspapers today, from cover to cover, to the story of the USS Liberty and to demand an investigation take place. \r\n\r\nEven all the Indymedias center columns are all dedicated to the story of the USS Liberty and calling for investigations. \r\n\r\nI\u2019m driving the kids to school this morning. Protesters lining the streets everywhere. Billboards have been redone overnight, demanding that investigations be conducted about the USS Liberty. \r\n\r\nHex, I owe you an apology. You are a true visionary. The worldwide insistence upon finding the truth regarding the USS Liberty was on a scale that none of us mere commoners could have imagined.\r\n","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 11:02:39","modified":"2013-11-11 00:27:00","fileurl":""},{"id":90606,"heading":"troll troll again","article":"Trolls are so predictable - so lacking in creativity and originality.. I knew your next step would be a DOA style smear, especially after that attempt to trash the thread posted about the new charges.. If all else fails trash the thread to try to keep other's from seeing it..\r\n\r\nClassy\r\n\r\nBut if all known proxies are pasted in to the ban file what will you do then to continue spamming and disrupting ?\r\n\r\nDo you think you can find the dozens of proxies you'll need to keep switching as you get banned the first time you use one ?\r\n\r\nSomething else to ponder as you watch this story hit the big time. Israel's lying days are ending, even the media is getting fed up with them now - along with bush's and co..\r\n\r\nThis story has already had more exposure in 1 day than it has since it happened !\r\n\r\nthe israeli spin masters must be spinning themselves into a frenzy ! Your DOA mantras and trashing new threads shows your desperation as well..\r\n\r\nactions speak louder than -\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I couldn't help but notice how you "change handles like a cross-dresser changes dresses.."\r\n\r\nhmmmm maybe Arena has something about your obsession with Arab men..\r\n\r\nYou sure did spend a worrying amount of time checking out those arses.. (like all night - what were you doing while staring at them anyway ?)\r\n\r\nDo we really want such personal details on the wire ?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 11:11:26","modified":"2003-10-25 11:11:26","fileurl":""},{"id":90612,"heading":"DOA smear","article":""I knew your next step would be a DOA style smear"\r\n\r\nSo now you're blaming the absence of any reaction (a DOA story) on "trolls"? I figured it was because nobody cares about the story...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Eddie","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 12:01:40","modified":"2003-10-25 12:01:40","fileurl":""},{"id":90613,"heading":"no the troll uses DOA as an excuse","article":"to comfort himself like whistling in the dark to keep the truth monster away\r\n\r\nthe truth being this story has had more exposure in 1 day than it's had since it happened.\r\n\r\nthat it went world-wide and millions of people have seen it - and NOT in a light favorable to israel.\r\n\r\nthis time israel didn't get to spin it to keep thier guilt hidden. \r\n\r\nthis is a very bad sign for their spin masters and a sign of things to come. the social justice movement is getting stronger by the hour, and even the mainstream media which is largely controlled by them is slipping away. if you look over the list I just posted and check these news sources you'll find that excepting israel's news virtually every other news source was CRITICAL of israel (the implication of this story is ISRAEL IS LYING TO US) which is the LAST THING israel wants the world to think.\r\n\r\nIsrael goes around spying on everyone they can, all the while saying they are our friends..\r\n\r\nstories like that crash & burn their PR efforts, they have years worth of spin and lies wrapped up into this attack and now it's all unraveling right before their eyes.\r\n\r\nthis unprecedented change in israel's web of control is only the very beginning of the process, from now on we will be seeing more stories running world-wide exposing israel.\r\n\r\nnote that I didn't get caught up in the troll bait trap of claiming this story is THE story or the only story..\r\n\r\njust as troll bait was set out as "OCT 15'th" to bite in order to strawman the situation with kobe saving a bit of face in the process - I didn't fall for numbers pulled out of trolls asses then and I'm not about to now.\r\n\r\nLook at what's transpired since then - not only has kobe disappeared - even from his promise of "posting everyday just to show us he still can" but the LGF trolls are being banned as well now too !\r\n\r\nmatter of fact the only thing they have left are some proxies\r\n\r\nI'VE GOT BIGGER AND BETTER PROXY LISTS\r\n\r\nIf my list is pasted into the ban file the trolls gooses are cooked - they will find very slim pickins' because I specialize in finding proxies.\r\n\r\nWith these proxies in the ban list it's going to be really hard to find ANY to post here with, and even then you only get one shot per proxy..\r\n\r\nIf IRC scripting is used to ban proxies themselves you'll have to find not only what's become rare proxies but also non-standard ones - which is *extremely* rare !\r\n\r\nyet this easy and simple measure is transparent to us and won't effect IMC patrons at all...\r\n\r\nIt requires no changes to IMC and no changes on our part...\r\n\r\nthe future's looking pretty bleak for the trolls\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 12:24:38","modified":"2003-10-25 12:24:38","fileurl":""},{"id":90620,"heading":"USS Liberty v Kobe","article":"" the situation with kobe "\r\n\r\nIn America, anyway, the Kobe story will stay strong all the way through to the end of the trial -- it has everything America loves: celebrity, wealth, sex.\r\n\r\n","author":"Eddie","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 13:01:10","modified":"2003-10-25 13:01:10","fileurl":""},{"id":90626,"heading":"No","article":"The Kobe story will remain because it has all the elements Reporters love, Sex, Scandal, and Money.\r\n\r\nThose of us who are concerned about the truth of what is actually going on in the world around us will continue pursuing stories like the Sinking of the Liberty.\r\n\r\nThe erosion of confidence in the honesty of the Mainstream Presstitutes on stories like this is growing. Poll after Poll has shown declining confidence in the alleged Mainstream Press. Active minds are seeking information elsewhere such as the Internet. There is a lot of trash but then sifting through hones your skills at discerment.\r\n\r\nRemember the Liberty. Remember well the men who died - murdered by an alleged ally.","author":"No-No- Nannette","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 13:32:12","modified":"2003-10-25 13:32:12","fileurl":""},{"id":90633,"heading":"the future's looking pretty bleak for the trolls","article":"..........And Israel.\r\n\r\nAriel Sharon just announced the following:\r\n\r\n"Due to the overwhelming amount of articles and predictions posted by Hex anon w\/ encryption on the web site Los Angeles Independent Media, read consistantly by maybe 10 people everyday, I am ordering the dissolutionment of the State of Israel to be completed after this coming Sabbath. Homicide bombers and having our soverienty constantly attacked by outside forces and the Palestinian militants we can handle. But, it is beyond the capabilities of this State to endure such never-ending rhetoric on a day to day basis as is coming from Hex anon w\/ encryption. That is all. I will not be taking any questions."\r\n\r\nWOW Hex!! You did it!!\r\n","author":"press secretary","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 14:07:16","modified":"2003-10-25 14:07:16","fileurl":""},{"id":90669,"heading":"damn reality can be a bitch sometimes","article":"> Due to the overwhelming amount of articles and predictions posted by Hex anon w\/ encryption on the web site Los Angeles Independent Media\r\n\r\nFOX News - 23 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCBS News - 23 hours ago\r\nNewsday - 23 Oct 2003\r\nNew York Post, NY - 23 Oct 2003\r\nArizona Republic, AZ - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCBS News - 22 hours ago\r\nMinneapolis Star Tribune, MN - 23 Oct 2003\r\nToronto Star, Canada - 23 Oct 2003\r\nJerusalem Post, Israel - 23 Oct 2003\r\nToronto Star, Canada - 23 Oct 2003\r\nBoston Globe, MA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNewsday - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Scotsman, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 22 Oct 2003\r\nABC News - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGuardian, UK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPalestine Chronicle - 14 hours ago\r\nPHXNews, United States - 22 hours ago\r\nKFSN, CA - 22 hours ago\r\nPravda, Russia - 23 Oct 2003\r\nCharleston Post Courier, SC - 23 Oct 2003\r\nBillings Gazette, MT - 23 Oct 2003\r\nMontgomery County Record, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nHuntsville Item, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRapid City Journal, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Porterville Recorder, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDunn County News, WI - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSanta Maria Times, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMunster Times, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMilton Daily Standard, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAppeal-Democrat, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSpringfield News Leader, MO - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNews Journal, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRocky Mount Telegram, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nCharleston Sunday Gazette Mail, WV - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFredericksburg.com, VA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMunster Times, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRapid City Journal, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBillings Gazette, MT - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSanta Maria Times, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nHuntsville Item, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDunn County News, WI - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMilton Daily Standard, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nThe Porterville Recorder, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRocky Mount Telegram, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAppeal-Democrat, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAnchorage Daily News, AK - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFredericksburg.com, VA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nDuluth News Tribune, MN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPenn Live, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nTacoma News Tribune, WA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nRaleigh News, NC - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAberdeen American News, SD - 22 Oct 2003\r\nNews Journal, TX - 22 Oct 2003\r\nMacon Telegraph, GA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nSacramento Bee, CA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBelleville News-Democrat, IL - 22 Oct 2003\r\nWilkes Barre Weekender, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nColumbus Ledger-Enquirer, GA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nGrand Forks Herald, ND - 22 Oct 2003\r\nphillyburbs.com, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nWichita Eagle, KS - 22 Oct 2003\r\nFort Wayne Journal Gazette, IN - 22 Oct 2003\r\nBiloxi Sun Herald, MS - 22 Oct 2003\r\nPenn Live, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\nAkron Beacon Journal, OH - 22 Oct 2003\r\nCentre Daily Times, PA - 22 Oct 2003\r\n\r\nThis is just a small partial list of this story's world-wide coverage so far. I said it went world-wide and that hundreds of millions of people have seen it..\r\n\r\nI'm having a field day with this...\r\n\r\nhey - anyone wanna' take a guess whos *really* laughing ?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 15:49:46","modified":"2003-10-25 15:49:46","fileurl":""},{"id":90670,"heading":"Hex","article":"No kidding. You should be laughing. Sharon is dissolving Israel over the weekend. You did it! Way to go!","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 15:52:28","modified":"2003-10-25 15:52:28","fileurl":""},{"id":90675,"heading":"One question, Hex:","article":"Why do the photos you posted above, of the USS Liberty, bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to the photos you've posted before of what you claimed was the USS Liberty?","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-10-25 16:03:15","modified":"2005-08-15 01:45:55","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/flagcommented.jpgttrtwy.jpgybxcu3.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/flagcommented.jpgttrtwy.jpgybxcu3.jpg"}},{"id":90678,"heading":"nonanarchist","article":"Don't blow his reality, man. It keeps him outta our neighborhood.","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:07:38","modified":"2003-10-25 16:07:38","fileurl":""},{"id":90679,"heading":"wrong clown","article":"I'm laughing at YOU doofus\r\n\r\nsharon is no laughing matter\r\n\r\nactually I'm not sure what kind of matter he is..\r\n\r\nmurderis vulgaris seems a fitting title..","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-10-25 16:08:06","modified":"2005-08-15 01:45:55","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/sharon_the_mad_dog.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/sharon_the_mad_dog.jpg"}},{"id":90680,"heading":"Laughing?","article":"You should be celebrating you moron. Because of your postings, Israel is dissolving this weekend. Good job! Way to go!","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:11:00","modified":"2003-10-25 16:11:00","fileurl":""},{"id":90681,"heading":""what you claimed was the USS Liberty"","article":"I didn't gentle careful reader\r\n\r\nI said the flag atop the warship in that picture was LIKE the one on the USS Liberty\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-10-25 16:15:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:45:56","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/flagcommented.jpgxdo0bd.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/10\/flagcommented.jpgxdo0bd.jpg"}},{"id":90682,"heading":"nonanarchist","article":"I have it on good word that these photographs were made by the same photographer who took the pics of Rachael Corrie getting runover by the bulldozer. You know the one's where you see her in front of the bulldozer, and then no pics as she's getting run over, and then pics of her laying in the dirt while no one is running to see about her and the background of the photos made from the same angle don't match up. Yeah, THAT photographer.","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:17:00","modified":"2003-10-25 16:17:00","fileurl":""},{"id":90683,"heading":"please then may I borrow his time machine ?","article":"> that these photographs were made by the same photographer who took the pics of Rachael Corrie getting runover by the bulldozer. \r\n\r\n\r\namazing\r\n\r\nI didn't know the time machine existed...\r\n\r\nHe went back in time to 1967 just to fake a photograph.\r\n\r\nAnd of course your word - a known LGF liar and troll - carries tons of weight, especially 'round here..\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:23:35","modified":"2003-10-25 16:23:35","fileurl":""},{"id":90687,"heading":"Hex's time warp","article":">He went back in time to 1967 just to fake a photograph. \r\n\r\nYou mean no one who was alive and was a photographer in 1967 is still alive today and is a photographer in 2003?\r\n\r\nWow, who knew!","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:34:02","modified":"2003-10-25 16:34:02","fileurl":""},{"id":90693,"heading":"oh now I get it","article":"he's been taking fake photographs for 30 years..\r\n\r\n30 years worth of faked pics..\r\n\r\nhmmmm care to provide the a tiny sliver of proof to back that up ?\r\n\r\ncan you even say who TOOK the picture ?\r\n\r\nMy URL stands by to hexify..\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:45:50","modified":"2003-10-25 16:45:50","fileurl":""},{"id":90697,"heading":"Hexy Wexy","article":"Gee, how dumb are you? Of course I made the story up. What idiot would actually believe the same photographer took the same pics? What idiot would ask me for proof of an obviously made-up story? That was part of the whole joke. Sorta like you're a joke. Sorta like believing that posting pics of a ship no one cares about and references to a story that was yesterday's news, here today gone tomorrow, is actually going to unravel Israel.\r\n\r\nI'm just posting crap to keep you handing out EV. You're dancing like I knew you would.\r\n\r\nPost something else. Go ahead. I'll jazz it up if needs be and keep you dancing.\r\n\r\nCarry on.\r\n\r\n","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:53:47","modified":"2003-10-25 16:53:47","fileurl":""},{"id":90699,"heading":"All joking aside, Hex:","article":"..how DO you explain the discrepancy between the two photographs you said were the Liberty?\r\n\r\nThe first photographs you posted obviously WEREN'T the Liberty.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 16:57:07","modified":"2003-10-25 16:57:07","fileurl":""},{"id":90704,"heading":"it's "dumb" to ask for proof","article":"I post proof.\r\n\r\nyou pound the table, lie, play games and make things up - failing the proof test that I pass everyday\r\n\r\nand yet I'm the dumb one...\r\n\r\nthe fact that these games you play are a waste of time - not for me - I simply post more proof - more exposure - but for yourself. Squirming in the jaws of the truth monster...\r\n\r\nBut that's not dumb\r\n\r\nit's suicidal\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:05:14","modified":"2003-10-25 17:05:14","fileurl":""},{"id":90706,"heading":"HELLO tap tap - is this thing on ?","article":"I said the *flag* atop the warship in that picture was LIKE the one *on* the USS Liberty \r\n\r\n\r\nwhat was that you said about dumb ?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:09:12","modified":"2003-10-25 17:09:12","fileurl":""},{"id":90707,"heading":"Xeh","article":">it's "dumb" to ask for proof\r\n\r\n>he's been taking fake photographs for 30 years..\r\n30 years worth of faked pics.. \r\nhmmmm care to provide the a tiny sliver of proof to back that up ?\r\n\r\nIs it dumb to ask for proof for stuff that's obviously made up? Yes.\r\n\r\n>oh now I get it\r\n\r\nUnsubstantiated Allegation.","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:10:10","modified":"2003-10-25 17:10:10","fileurl":""},{"id":90709,"heading":"Cheer up, Hex","article":"Israel is going down this weekend. Isn't that what you were hoping would happen? You read Sharon's statement. Your posting were more than they could take. Good job! Way to go!","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:12:56","modified":"2003-10-25 17:12:56","fileurl":""},{"id":90712,"heading":"Just a small point","article":">>I said the *flag* atop the warship in that picture was LIKE the one *on* the USS Liberty \r\n\r\nUmm..... I thought all American flags looked the same, or can you get them in different colors and patterns??\r\n\r\nWhy post a pic of a different ship with a much LARGER flag on it??\r\n\r\nI wonder.....\r\n\r\n","author":"Flag Expert","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:21:52","modified":"2003-10-25 17:21:52","fileurl":""},{"id":90715,"heading":"Flag Expert","article":"Don't make Hexie get into the details of his elaborate story. This is his day to celebrate taking down Israel by himself. They'll write songs one day about Hex and what he did this day. I'm just glad I was here to be a part of it all.","author":".","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 17:28:03","modified":"2003-10-25 17:28:03","fileurl":""},{"id":90784,"heading":"Stuck in Spin Cycle","article":"Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin CycleStuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle Stuck in Spin Cycle ","author":"Universal Constant","parent_id":90588,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-25 22:16:29","modified":"2003-10-25 22:16:29","fileurl":""}]}