{"article":{"id":86898,"heading":"The David Kay report","author":"David Kay, c\/o nonanarchist","created":"2003-10-05 20:46:24","modified":"2003-12-01 16:16:46","last_modified":"Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:16:46","article":"

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN.

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A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

* A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

* Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

* Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

* A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

* Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

* Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

* Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"In case you haven't read it, and, judging from comments, you haven't. Neither has the media.","numcomment":22,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/10\/86898.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":86899,"heading":"Excellent analysis...","article":"...can be found at: http:\/\/andrewsullivan.com\/index.php?dish_inc=archives\/2003_09_28_dish_archive.html#106520402351070782\r\n\r\nSaddam was lying to the U.N. as late as 2002. He was required by the U.N. to fully cooperate. He didn't. The war was justified on those grounds alone. Case closed. Some of the physical evidence still remains, despite what was clearly a deliberate, coordinated and thorough attempt to destroy evidence before during and after the war.\r\n\r\n**********\r\n\r\nRead the rest.\r\n\r\n","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:51:49","modified":"2003-10-05 20:51:49","fileurl":""},{"id":86901,"heading":"Oops, forgot the link for the report.","article":"http:\/\/www.cia.gov\/cia\/public_affairs\/speeches\/2003\/david_kay_10022003.html","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:54:48","modified":"2003-10-05 20:54:48","fileurl":""},{"id":86987,"heading":"Bump to the top...","article":"...for the "No WMD!" crowd.\r\n\r\nJust in case you missed it.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 13:29:17","modified":"2003-10-06 13:29:17","fileurl":""},{"id":86992,"heading":"In that case,","article":"...I'll keep bumping this to the top until I find a Lefty with the balls to respond to it.\r\n\r\nExpect to see this thread for a long, long time.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 13:50:39","modified":"2003-10-06 13:50:39","fileurl":""},{"id":86999,"heading":"You can Bump into Walls if you want","article":"Kay found NO evidence of existing stockpiles of banned Weapons.\r\n\r\nThinking about making them is not an immediate Military threat.\r\n\r\nBush et. al., claimed Saddam could have them "good to go" in 45 minutes and posed an immediate threat to the Western World which was in imminent danger of being brought to an untimely end.\r\n\r\nNO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN FOUND WHICH SUPPORTS THIS CONTENTION. NONE, ZERO, NADA, NOT A WHIT, NOTHING, NONEWHATSOEVER.\r\n\r\nYou can pound your chest until it caves in and it does not change any of the above.\r\n\r\nKay found NOTHING of any significance to support the lies upon which the Iraq War was founded.\r\n\r\nNothing to support dropping TONS of DU on an innocent civilian population.\r\n\r\nNothing to support destroying their water supplies and sanitation systems.\r\n\r\nNothing to support destroying their electric grid.\r\n\r\nNothing to justify sending in our kids to die for Big Oil and the the Bush Family fortune.\r\n\r\nNothing to justify giving sweetheart contracts to Bush Supporters.\r\n\r\nNothing to support the Ocean of Blood Bush and Blair unleashed.\r\n\r\nNothing to support the misery this has created.\r\n\r\nNothing to support the Body Bags, and Maimed kids hidden off of the headlines.\r\n\r\nAny more questions?","author":"The Wall","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 14:22:29","modified":"2003-10-06 14:22:29","fileurl":""},{"id":87002,"heading":"Kay = Spin and Disinformation","article":"Iraq - No Uranium,\r\nMunitions, Missiles Or Programs \r\nThe Independent - UK \r\n10-5-3\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAs the first progress report from the Iraq Survey Group is released, Cambridge WMD expert Dr Glen Rangwala finds that even the diluted claims made for Saddam Hussein's arsenal don't stand up... \r\n\u00a0 \r\nLast week's progress report by American and British weapons inspectors in Iraq has failed to supply evidence for the vast majority of the claims made on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction by their governments before the war. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nDavid Kay, head of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), told congressional committees in Washington that no official orders or plans could be found to back up the allegation that a nuclear programme remained active after 1991. Aluminium tubes have not been used for the enrichment of uranium, in contrast to US Secretary of State Colin Powell's lengthy exposition to the UN Security Council in February. No suspicious activities or residues have been found at the seven sites within Iraq described in the Prime Minister's dossier from September 2002. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThe ISG even casts serious doubt on President Bush's much-trumpeted claim that US forces had found three mobile biological laboratories after the war: "technical limitations" would prevent the trailers from being ideally suited to biological weapons production, it records. In other words, they were for something else. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThere have certainly been no signs of imported uranium, or even battlefield munitions ready to fire within 45 minutes. Most significantly, the claim to Parliament on the eve of conflict by Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, that "we know that this man [Saddam Hussein] has got ... chemical weapons, biological weapons, viruses, bacilli and ... 10,000 litres of anthrax" has yet to find a single piece of supportive evidence. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThose who staked their career on the existence in Iraq of at least chemical and biological weapons programmes have latched on to three claims in the progress report. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nFirst, there is the allegation that a biologist had a "collection of reference strains" at his home, including "a vial of live C botulinum Okra B from which a biological agent can be produced". Mr Straw claimed the morning after the report's release that this agent was "15,000 times more toxic than the nerve agent VX". That is wrong: botulinum type A is one of the most poisonous substances known, and was developed in weaponised form by Iraq before 1991. However, type B - the form found at the biologist's home - is less lethal. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nEven then, it would require an extensive process of fermentation, the growing of the bug, the extraction of the toxin and the weaponisation of the toxin before it could cause harm. That process would take weeks, if not longer, but the ISG reported no sign of any of these activities. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nBotulinum type B could also be used for making an antidote to common botulinum poisoning. That is one of the reasons why many military laboratories around the world keep reference strains of C botulinum Okra B. The UK keeps such substances, for example, and calls them "seed banks". \r\n\u00a0 \r\nSecond, a large part of the ISG report is taken up with assertions that Iraq had been acquiring designs and under- taking research programmes for missiles with a range that exceeded the UN limit of 150km. The evidence here is more detailed than in the rest of the report. However, it does not demonstrate that Iraq was violating the terms of any Security Council resolution. The prohibition on Iraq acquiring technology relating to chemical, biological or nuclear weapons was absolute: no agents, no sub-systems and no research or support facilities. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nBy contrast, Iraq was simply prohibited from actually having longer-range missiles, together with "major parts, and repair and production facilities". The ISG does not claim proof that Iraq had any such missiles or facilities, just the knowledge to produce them in future. Indeed, it would have been entirely lawful for Iraq to develop such systems if the restrictions implemented in 1991 were lifted, while it would never have been legitimate for it to re-develop WMD. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThird, one sentence within the report has been much quoted: Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses within the Iraqi intelligence service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research". Note what that sentence does not say: these facilities were suitable for chemical and biological weapons research (as almost any modern lab would be), not that they had engaged in such research. The reference to UN monitoring is also spurious: under the terms of UN resolutions, all of Iraq's chemical and biological facilities are subject to monitoring. So all this tells us is that Iraq had modern laboratories. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n\u00a9 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd \r\n\u00a0 \r\nhttp:\/\/news.independent.co.uk\/world\/middle_east\/story.jsp?story=450121\r\n\r\n","author":"Spookwatch","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 14:34:47","modified":"2013-11-11 00:26:35","fileurl":""},{"id":87019,"heading":"You can lead a horse's ass to water...","article":"...but you can't make 'em think.\r\n\r\nAbout what I expected.\r\n\r\nThe Wall managed to recite every protest sign he's seen in the past year, and made about as much sense as they did.\r\n\r\nSpookwatch graces us with an article from The Independent, of all things. As is that was worth anything.\r\n\r\nSorry, guys...you haven't refuted the fat that Saddam was doing and had things he wasn't supposed to.\r\n\r\nThe war was justified. Rant and spew all you like; you can't change reality.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 17:30:09","modified":"2003-10-06 17:30:09","fileurl":""},{"id":87034,"heading":"So True","article":"Nonanarchist (davemoron) can be confronted with facts and valid data but because of his invincible ignorance is unable to apprehend it. He does not want to. It is not what he is paid to do.","author":"Jay Silverheels","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 19:05:27","modified":"2003-10-06 19:05:27","fileurl":""},{"id":87060,"heading":"Jay:","article":"You shoulda stuck with anti-pollution public service announcements.\r\n\r\n'Cause you don't know squat about political discussion.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 21:54:51","modified":"2003-10-06 21:54:51","fileurl":""},{"id":87596,"heading":"Stubborn Moron: Spook Outta Control in Desperation","article":"Let's see, we'll discredit the UK Independent, a publication with far more objective credibility in the age of New York Times distortions and false reporting, and the rest of the U.S.'s official "shill" publications.\r\n\r\nJay is so desperate that he results to infantile stubborness to admit that his claims are not true and are supported by superfluous government information to begin with. Hello, Jay, they lied about Niger, the 45min. claim, the aluminum tubes, the al-qaeda connection. The CIA can't be paying you that much to chase your own tail.\r\n","author":"mediawatcher","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 19:39:49","modified":"2003-10-08 19:39:49","fileurl":""},{"id":87598,"heading":"Sorry Jay, I mean David Kay","article":"David Kay, nonanarchist, all sound like spook aliases\r\n","author":"mediawatcher","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 19:41:58","modified":"2003-10-08 19:41:58","fileurl":""},{"id":87599,"heading":"Tabloids","article":"I take the UK Independent when the grocery store is out of The Star.","author":"mags","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 19:42:36","modified":"2003-10-08 19:42:36","fileurl":""},{"id":87613,"heading":"mediawatcher","article":"FYI:\r\n\r\nThe words " UK Independent" and "objective credibility" don't belong in the same sentence unless there's a "doesn't have a shred of" in between.\r\n\r\nThat's your problem. You judge a source by how much it villifies Bush and the US. More bash = more truth.\r\n\r\nSee, what you're doing is searching for media that corroborate your preconceived notions that America is a bad place. ANd the Independent fits the bill quite nicely, doesn't it?\r\n\r\n"David Kay, nonanarchist, all sound like spook aliases"\r\n\r\nDon't flatter yourself. I know the fantasy of being surveilled by the big scary government somehow lends credence to your ideas, but really, don't bother. \r\n\r\nYou're just not that important.\r\n\r\n(Note: You will now see this as "proof" that you are being watched.)","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 20:17:22","modified":"2003-10-08 20:17:22","fileurl":""},{"id":87618,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"GOP=LIAR\r\n\r\n\r\n....what's so hard to understand, Fido?","author":"KPC","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 20:27:42","modified":"2003-10-08 20:27:42","fileurl":""},{"id":87699,"heading":"And Chicken Boy chimes in...","article":"...with another of his ridiculously oversimplified buzzphrases.\r\n\r\nThat's all politics is to you, isn't it? If i won't fit on a protest sign, you just can't comprehend it.\r\n\r\nSad little man. Run along now; the grownups are talking.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-09 07:19:02","modified":"2003-10-09 07:19:02","fileurl":""},{"id":87701,"heading":"The David Kay report is proof that we were right to depose Saddam","article":"Not to mention the crimes committed by his regime, Saddam was in clear breach of the UN resolutions against him. Of course everybody knew that, but Clinton just kept stalling and caused unnecessary suffering for Iraqi people.\r\n\r\nPresident Bush had the cojones to make a decision, at great political cost to himself, but he went through with it. That's what a man of principle does.","author":"Barney","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-09 07:28:33","modified":"2003-10-09 07:28:33","fileurl":""},{"id":87703,"heading":"Barney, Barney...tsk, tsk.","article":"Don't you read the posts in here?\r\n\r\nIt's all about the OOOOOIIILLL!\r\n\r\nSaddam had WMD, because we sold them to him, but then he DIDN'T have WMD, so we shouldn't have imperialistically invaded!\r\n\r\nThe JOOOOS made us invade!\r\n\r\nPay attention...sheesh.\r\n\r\nDon't confuse us with reality.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-09 07:33:24","modified":"2003-10-09 07:33:24","fileurl":""},{"id":87724,"heading":"Oh, yeah, sorry I must have been asleep","article":"Of course I know that the government (Bush Junta) planned and carried out the 9\/11 attacks so that they could go after Iraq. Everyone knows that.\r\n\r\nI feel better now.","author":"Barney","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-09 10:09:28","modified":"2003-10-09 10:09:28","fileurl":""},{"id":88686,"heading":"read between the lines","article":" Read the highlights carefully.\r\n\r\n Interwoven is suggestive terms , but no solid findings.\r\n\r\n "could be" , "reference strains " but only "one" could be used\r\n\r\n "possibly"\r\n\r\n The Bush administration has continuesly used such words in their propaganda. \r\n\r\n"might be" , "could" , "possibly" , "maybe" are peppered throughout their rhetoric. So far no solid evidence.\r\n\r\n By the way neo-cons a.k.a. "Western Terrorists and Supporters" , having documents and or knowledge of weapons technology was never banned , only development. Is a piece of paper a threat ?\r\n\r\n Vote for anyone but Bush in 2004 and end the fascist rule in America. ","author":"knickdog","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-14 04:02:44","modified":"2003-10-14 04:02:44","fileurl":""},{"id":92808,"heading":"Mr.","article":"The following is the final paragraph of David Kay's report to the Congressional Committee:\r\n\r\n"Mr. Chairman and Members I appreciate this opportunity to share with you the initial results of the first 3 months of the activities of the Iraqi Survey Group. I am certain that I speak for Major General Keith Dayton, who commands the Iraqi Survey Group, when I say how proud we are of the men and women from across the Government and from our Coalition partners, Australia and the United Kingdom, who have gone to Iraq and are carrying out this important mission. Thank you. " *\r\n\r\nA scientific team "commanded" by a high-ranking military officer ?? The scientist in charge of the team praising an aggressive military action ??\r\n\r\nIt is - sadly but inescapably - clear to every intelligent person that this sort of language entirely compromises and completely prejudices the integrity, objectivity and findings of any would-be "scientific" report.\r\n\r\nFPA von Dreger\r\nAuckland, NZ\r\nUniversity Professor - retired\r\n\r\n* see http:\/\/www.cia.gov\/cia\/public_affairs\/speeches\/2003\/david_kay_10022003.html \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"FPA von Dreger","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-04 19:22:05","modified":"2003-11-04 19:22:05","fileurl":""},{"id":95920,"heading":"What we do know about Iraq","article":"Here are some things that you haven't mentioned in your rants against the actions President Bush took.\r\n\r\nSaddam had attempted Genocide. Get the list of something like 17,000 known "missing" from just a 4 month period due to one of Saddam's relocation programs. You can find out more at Amnesty International.\r\n\r\nSaddam supported terrorists who had been responsible for the deaths of Americans. Search the web for Tariq Aziz's statement that they knew Abu Nidal was living in Iraq. Nidal was told to basically kill who you want just don't oppose Saddam.\r\n\r\nAbu Nidal is credited with the deaths of some 250 people and the wounding of 900.\r\n\r\nSaddam also supported the Al Qaeda splinter group Ansar Al Islam as well as supporting Abu Abbas. Saddam also had a terrorist training site located in Salman Pak where terrorists were trained in the takeover of airliners. There is a report of one former Iraqi officer saying he saw terrorists being trained to hijack planes using small knives such as box cutters at that site.\r\n\r\nHis terrorist support was in direct violation of UN resolution 1441.\r\n\r\nNow please explain to me how supporting anti-American terrorists doesn't make one a threat to the US.","author":"Anti-Saddam","parent_id":86898,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-01 16:16:46","modified":"2003-12-01 16:16:46","fileurl":""}]}