{"article":{"id":86822,"heading":"Samuel L. Jackson (by Latuff)","author":"Latuff","created":"2003-10-05 15:37:16","modified":"2013-11-11 00:26:31","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:26:31","article":"

A COMMENT ON \"RULES OF ENGAGEMENT\"

By Joseph Tanniru

23 May 2000

I went to see Rules of Engagement with a certain degree of trepidation. The film, directed by William Friedkin ( The French Connection, The Exorcist, To Live and Die in L.A.), has been denounced by, among others, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) for overt racism. Knowing the type of films Hollywood is capable of creating these days, I thought the charge quite plausible. The level to which this film plunges is, however, far below such chauvinist productions as True Lies or Rising Sun.

Artistically speaking, the film is worthless. (Its original story was dreamed up by James Webb, Secretary of the Navy under Reagan!) The plot is shallow and superficial, the characters without substance. Samuel Jackson plays Colonel Childers, a highly decorated Vietnam veteran who has just received command of a Marine division. He and \"his men\" are ordered to handle a protest at the American Embassy in Yemen, a Middle Eastern country bordering Saudi Arabia. After Childers arrives, the situation turns violent, and ends after Childers issues the command to fire on the Yemeni outside the embassy, including women and children.

The bulk of the film is occupied by Childers' court-martial, where he is defended by Hays Hodges, his fellow officer from Vietnam, played by Tommy Lee Jones. Hodges attempts to show that Childers was just a man doing his duty, and that his command was justified because the angry protestors were armed and were firing on Childers' troops. The US government attempts to place all blame on Childers, claiming that the only people firing were snipers. In the end, Childers is found innocent of all serious charges, and is revealed to be a \"good guy\" after all.

In the meantime, we are presented with a combination of American nationalism and Anti-Arab chauvinism. All the Yemeni are evil, it seems. During the development (if one can call it that) of the plot, it becomes clear that Childers was completely justified in his actions. The protestors were really a frenzied and violent mob. A security tape of the incident (which is later burned by the National Security Advisor to bolster the government case) shows clearly that every demonstrator outside the embassy was armed, including children. They were all firing out of some irrational hatred of Americans. Whence this hatred comes we have no idea, but since even the children are consumed by it, we suspect that it is somehow engrained in the psyche of the Arab.

As the ADC points out, the portrayal of the Arab is dominated by stereotypes. They are the incomprehensible \"Other,\" shouting untranslated slogans (presumably something on the order of “Death to all Americans”) and employing automatic weapons. We briefly sympathize with the wounded and killed children, especially with a girl (10 years old?) who lost her leg during the incident. Later, however, this sympathy is \"corrected.\" As Hodges, on his visit to Yemen, approaches her to ask her name, she shouts back with venomous spite, “Killer!” The last time we see her face is in a flashback to the shooting incident, where she is shown firing a handgun at the embassy with a mixture of hatred and bestiality.

It would be hard to list every way in which the Arab community of Yemen is vilified. Suffice it to point out the film corresponds perfectly (and in a pure form) to the stereotype dominant within the popular media: The Arab as Terrorist. In response, the ADC, a non-sectarian Arab-American organization, has organized numerous protests denouncing the film. “‘Rules of Engagement,'” they write, “can only be considered in the same light as other films whose raison d'être is to deliberately and systematically vilify an entire people, such as 'Birth of a Nation' and ‘the Eternal Jew.'”

No chauvinism would be complete with merely the denigration of another race. The \"They\" is always counterpoised to the \"Us,\" which in this case is that ever present figment of the imagination—the American. Within a country so ethnically mixed as the United States, one would like to think that such exclusive national categories as American and non-American would lose their meaning. Yet, these divisions that place nation against nation in irreconcilable antinomy are necessary in modern society, as is amply demonstrated in Rules of Engagement.

The movie is filled with national symbolism. After rescuing the American ambassador from the raging Arab mob, and before ordering the ensuing massacre, Childers returns to rescue the American flag, that eternal symbol, the film would like us to believe, of freedom and justice. It is significant that the demonstrators, unable to contain their virulent anti-Amerincanism, fire at the flag as it is lowered. Indeed, as the film develops, we realize that it is not the violence of the crowd that is so terrible, but their Anti-American sentiment, which is, in the eyes of the ruling circles in the United State at least, the deadliest of deadly sins.

Of course, there is no attempt to analyze why the causes of these emotions, for there is no conceivable explanation for why such a benevolent and just institution as the United States government could be hated. (To be completely accurate, the US government actually plays something of a villain in the film, but only because it attacks Childers, who, as a member of the military, represents this same government in his own way. The critique of the government, insofar as it exists, is from the right.)

The nationalism expressed is much more subtle than mere flag idolatry, however, and is bound up with an ugly glorification of the lives and deeds of military officers. Little attention is given to the military rank and file, for they are merely \"the men\" of the officers. The latter, including Childers in the end, are valiant and courageous \"warriors,\" bringing honor to the American nation. In the scenes depicting military action, the US troops are always attacked; they are never the aggressors. This includes the opening scene depicting Childers and Hodges fighting in the Vietnam War, one of the most clear-cut examples of US aggression in the twentieth century.

The film is wretched, but in its wretchedness says something about the outlook and ambitions of the US ruling elite. The connection between storywriter Webb, a marine commander in Vietnam who spent six years in the 1970s defending a marine accused of war crimes, and Hollywood is particularly sinister. Friedkin has done nothing but hack-work for decades. Samuel L. Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones should simply be ashamed of themselves.<\/p>\n","contact":"latuff@uninet.com.br","link":"http:\/\/www.wsws.org\/articles\/2000\/may2000\/rule-m23.shtml","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"Actor Samuel L. Jackson during the 2003 Rio Film Festival, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. In 2000, Jackson starred a racist movie called "Rules of Engagement". Please, read below article for details.","numcomment":71,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2003\/10\/samuelljackson.jpg","filesize":"18.9 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2003\/10\/86822.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2003\/10\/samuelljackson.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2003\/10\/samuelljackson.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":108161,"heading":"Your Remarks","article":" Well this people, (Jews and Christians) talk too much.. Hate those Mud Slums, Sand Niggers... Sigh.. no wonder a lot of us Muslims hate you.. You people are so arrogant and without compassion.. You are completely brain-washed by Fox News and watever shitty-biased-jew controlled media you have that you make no effort to understand WHY those poor palestineans blow themselves up... All you can do is say more nasty things and allow your leaders do more atrocities.... So much for "Love Thy Neighbour"(for Jews) and "Love Thy Enemy"(For Xtians)...","author":"Khairi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-04-19 11:32:42","modified":"2004-04-19 11:32:42","fileurl":""},{"id":86829,"heading":"what?","article":"Beyond the fact that this film is YEARS old, what's racist about it?\r\n\r\nWhat part of muslims routinely taking up arms against non-muslims or American troops is untrue?\r\n\r\nAnd what is at all racist about depicting this?\r\n\r\nNothing.\r\n\r\nNot a great movie, but certainly much more believable than all the PC movies who depict terrorists as Russian, or German or, well, anything but Muslim.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 16:11:16","modified":"2003-10-05 16:11:16","fileurl":""},{"id":86836,"heading":"The New X","article":"hahahaha americans.\r\n\r\ni love you simple folk.\r\n\r\n\r\nentertain me with your stories of how your country has never done any wrong.","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 16:37:47","modified":"2003-10-05 16:37:47","fileurl":""},{"id":86837,"heading":"review of review","article":"Excellent analysis, superbly written.","author":"reader","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 16:39:47","modified":"2003-10-05 16:39:47","fileurl":""},{"id":86839,"heading":"Non-sequitor","article":""entertain me with your stories of how your country has never done any wrong."\r\n\r\nBeyond the fact that I've never seen any post here or anywhere, for that matter, claiming that America has never done anything wrong, what does that have to do with the post.\r\n\r\nOf course America has done alot wrong. So what?\r\n\r\nDoes that make any movie that portrays terrorists as muslim any less true?\r\n\r\nOf course not.\r\n\r\nWhy is it automatically racist to acknowledge certain undeniable truths? Because it "doesn't feel good"?\r\n\r\nGrow up.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 16:47:01","modified":"2003-10-05 16:47:01","fileurl":""},{"id":86844,"heading":"Double standard","article":""Does that make any movie that portrays terrorists as muslim any less true?"\r\n\r\nProbably you wouldn't say the same if Jewish settlers were portrayed as terrorists. Probably we would hear you shouting "anti-Semitic" all over.\r\n\r\nI think it's called double standard.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:05:16","modified":"2003-10-05 17:05:16","fileurl":""},{"id":86846,"heading":"the flick was shallow","article":"And yes, the build up towards the exoneration of mowing down civilians was a bit too much.\r\nThe writer was obviously concerned with a portrayal of justification in the matter of excessive force so typical of the Hollywood mindset.\r\nBut we are awash in the current movie theme of violence as the only means of conflict resolution. A mirror of our national policy.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:09:27","modified":"2003-10-05 17:09:27","fileurl":""},{"id":86847,"heading":"Short course on American cinema","article":"That's the way you must to fill the form and join Hollywood studios:\r\n\r\n1 - To call Muslims and Arabs terrorists is:\r\n(X) It's correct.\r\n\r\n2 - To call Jews terrorists is:\r\n(X) Anti-Semitism.\r\n\r\n","author":"Steven Spilberg","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:11:54","modified":"2003-10-05 17:11:54","fileurl":""},{"id":86848,"heading":"Welcome to USA","article":"Welcome to the land of free Arab hating...","author":"Phu Bai","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:14:58","modified":"2003-10-05 17:14:58","fileurl":""},{"id":86849,"heading":"Well","article":""Probably you wouldn't say the same if Jewish settlers were portrayed as terrorists. Probably we would hear you shouting "anti-Semitic" all over. "\r\n\r\nAt the point in time that Jewish settlers are committing terrorism on virtually every continent then we can discuss this, until then your point is irrelevant.\r\n\r\nFace it, if your argument is that muslims are not the group that commits the majority of global terrorism then you're simply either lying or stupid. It's not even a viable question.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:28:26","modified":"2003-10-05 17:28:26","fileurl":""},{"id":86850,"heading":"Global Muslim conspiracy?","article":"Are Muslims committing terrorism on virtually every continent? I can tell you dozen of nations which never were targeted. Ask yourself why United States and Israel are the favourite target for terrorist attacks.\r\n\r\nMaybe due U.S. foreign policy? Maybe due long term illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories?\r\n\r\nPerhaps because USA and Israel are the only two good guys in the whole world.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:37:30","modified":"2003-10-05 17:37:30","fileurl":""},{"id":86853,"heading":"Continents, dummy","article":""Are Muslims committing terrorism on virtually every continent? I can tell you dozen of nations which never were targeted. Ask yourself why United States and Israel are the favourite target for terrorist attacks. "\r\n\r\nThe key word here is continent.\r\n\r\nLet's go through the list.\r\n\r\nNorth America....yep.\r\nEurope........yep\r\nAsia....definetly\r\nAfrica....of course\r\nSouth America...yes\r\nAustralia....yep\r\n\r\nAntartica...haven't got there yet.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 17:45:45","modified":"2003-10-05 17:45:45","fileurl":""},{"id":86855,"heading":"Hey, New X","article":"If Americans are so far below your intellectual level, why are you still here?\r\n\r\nAnd before any of you Lefties start claiming I'm saying "America -- love it or leave it!", let me remind you X is Sri Lankan, and can return any time he likes. I'll bet his UAE visa is still good, too...so he can go there as well.\r\n\r\nHowzabout it, X?","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 18:05:19","modified":"2003-10-05 18:05:19","fileurl":""},{"id":86858,"heading":"nah","article":"I like 'The New X' he has good points to bring up.\r\nShouldn't you be doing some military type WORK or is this your speciality, airdale?","author":"honker","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 18:19:10","modified":"2003-10-05 18:19:10","fileurl":""},{"id":86860,"heading":"Wait, wait","article":"I think you mean U.S. and Israel representatives around the world, right?\r\nBecause I never heard any terrorist attacks against Peruvian or Czech interests worldwide, or even Argentine, Norwegian, Tanzanian, etc.\r\nMostly of attacks are driven to U.S. and Israeli targets.\r\nIt's because they carry out criminal policies, that's why.\r\n\r\nReap what you sow! If you like to drop bombs on somebody's head, it's fair enough somebody to explode some bombs on you too.\r\n:)\r\n\r\n","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 18:27:55","modified":"2003-10-05 18:27:55","fileurl":""},{"id":86866,"heading":"ROFL","article":""I think you mean U.S. and Israel representatives around the world, right? "\r\n\r\nLOL! You're having a hell of a time trying to keep up this assinine defense of muslim terrorism.\r\n\r\nActually I don't mean U.S. and Jewish (make no mistake..Jews are targeted because of their religion) representatives.\r\n\r\nIslamic terrorists recently attacked Hindus in India. Indonesia is a constant source of "peaceful" muslim atrocities. Russia has been attcked repeatedly.\r\n\r\nYou don't have much of a limb to keep standing on their chief.\r\n\r\nYou're sort of making a fool of yourself.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 19:13:41","modified":"2003-10-05 19:13:41","fileurl":""},{"id":86868,"heading":"honker","article":"I have weekends off, honker.\r\n\r\nI do my "military type work" M-F.\r\n\r\nWhy are you afraid of my commentary?","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 19:18:48","modified":"2003-10-05 19:18:48","fileurl":""},{"id":86879,"heading":"M-F is correct","article":"Of course, you know you're a lying sack of goldbricking shit, don't you?\r\nMaybe you should admit that the military is paying you to squat on this board.\r\n \r\nhonker nonanarchist 2003-10-04 3:18 PM\r\n Oops... nonanarchist 2003-10-04 2:44 PM\r\n russl nonanarchist 2003-10-04 2:20 PM\r\n 2-year nagging problem... nonanarchist 2003-10-04 11:58 AM\r\nGood ananlogy, BA. nonanarchist 2003-10-04 7:30 AM\r\n You're empty-handed, Hex. nonanarchist 2003-10-04 7:28 AM\r\nDemocrat Campaign Slogan: nonanarchist 2003-10-04 7:12 AM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-04 7:05 AM\r\n This calls for immediate action! nonanarchist 2003-10-04 6:55 AM\r\n I's the best game in town, Ralph. nonanarchist 2003-10-04 6:54 AM\r\n Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-04 6:48 AM\r\n Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-04 3:57 AM\r\n Well, in THAT case... nonanarchist 2003-10-04 3:54 AM\r\n I've had enough for tonight. @ 2003-10-03 5:18 PM\r\n Yawn nonanarchist 2003-10-03 5:14 PM\r\n Yadda yadda yadda, nonanarchist 2003-10-03 5:12 PM\r\n Gee, Hex... nonanarchist 2003-10-03 5:00 PM\r\n gojko nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:49 PM\r\n Hey, Hex: nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:45 PM\r\n California deserves... nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:40 PM\r\n Say it with me, Chicken Boy: nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:39 PM\r\n Hex, Hex, Hex... nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:37 PM\r\n RE: DeVoy appears to be part of the problem @ 2003-10-03 4:07 PM\r\n Ignoring me, Hex? nonanarchist 2003-10-03 3:16 PM\r\n Ignoring me, Hex? nonanarchist 2003-10-03 3:16 PM\r\n Yoou mean death threats... nonanarchist 2003-10-03 3:04 PM\r\n Yeah nonanarchist 2003-10-03 2:57 PM\r\n Au contraire nonanarchist 2003-10-03 2:43 PM\r\n Gentlemen (as applicable) nonanarchist 2003-10-03 2:36 PM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-03 2:10 PM\r\n Chicken Boy, you're a real peice of... nonanarchist 2003-10-03 1:58 PM\r\n Hex and Stevie nonanarchist 2003-10-03 4:00 AM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:24 PM\r\n Really, DeVoy? nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:20 PM\r\n Hex, you are persistant, I'll give you that. nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:15 PM\r\n La Raza nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:11 PM\r\n"I am not a KOBE" nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:08 PM\r\n Hex has convinced you, La Raza? nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:07 PM\r\n Now, Hex. nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:04 PM\r\n Really, Chicken Boy? nonanarchist 2003-10-02 5:00 PM\r\n No, it's not. nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:58 PM\r\n La Raza nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:56 PM\r\nYou're not keeping up, Hex. nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:55 PM\r\nNo, I'm not ashamed. nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:51 PM\r\n "Yes, living in California is like living in Stalin's Russia..." nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:50 PM\r\n La Raza nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:48 PM\r\n hater nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:47 PM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:45 PM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:45 PM\r\n Hex, you've never even been... nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:41 PM\r\n Chicken Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:35 PM\r\n Prove it, Hex? nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:29 PM\r\n As a matter of fact, Chicken Boy nonanarchist \r\n Hex, you couldn't be more wrong... nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:13 PM\r\n Poor deluded Hex... nonanarchist 2003-10-02 4:03 PM\r\n Sorry, Hexie Boy nonanarchist 2003-10-02 3:39 PM\r\n Hex, you absolute fool! nonanarchist 2003-10-02 3:02 PM\r\n I would think, Chicken Boy... nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:51 PM\r\n Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:41 PM\r\n Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:37 PM\r\n Hee hee! nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:35 PM\r\n Hee hee! nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:35 PM\r\n Yo, Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:34 PM\r\n mediawatcher nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:26 PM\r\n Car Hater nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:21 PM\r\n Car Hater nonanarchist 2003-10-02 2:21 PM\r\n Chicken Boy and Hex nonanarchist 2003-10-02 3:05 AM\r\n Thanks for admitting... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:52 PM\r\n Thanks for admitting... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:52 PM\r\n nonanarchist - I don't answer your questions. @ 2003-10-01 6:48 PM\r\n "Past performance... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:47 PM\r\n Good for you. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:45 PM\r\n Is Latuff okay? nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:43 PM\r\nIs Latuff okay? nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:43 PM\r\n Perhaps... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:40 PM\r\n Nice little... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:37 PM\r\n Are you being deliberately stupid... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 6:02 PM\r\n Uh, Stanley... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 5:22 PM\r\n Yes, only slightly. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 5:20 PM\r\n Back to topic. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 5:04 PM\r\n Haji: nonanarchist 2003-10-01 4:41 PM\r\n No, he doesn't confuse me. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 4:37 PM\r\n Paul nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:54 PM\r\nPaul nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:54 PM\r\n The reason for Chomsky worship. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:50 PM\r\n You're correct, Steve... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:47 PM\r\n "We, in this generation, are the revolution makers; nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:53 AM\r\n A couple of points. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:43 AM\r\n And of course... nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:08 AM\r\n Hardly, Chicken Boy. nonanarchist 2003-10-01 3:04 AM\r\n\r\nAnd that's only October.\r\n\r\n","author":"honker","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 19:55:11","modified":"2003-10-05 19:55:11","fileurl":""},{"id":86881,"heading":"goodness! I made a few errors","article":"I repeated a few and included a few that wasn't you.\r\n you are stupid enough to think we believe your shit.\r\n","author":"honker","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:04:30","modified":"2003-10-05 20:04:30","fileurl":""},{"id":86882,"heading":"honker has...","article":"...a little too much time on his hands.\r\n\r\nCheck the times stamps. I post before I go to work, sometimes when I come home for lunch, and in the evenings.\r\n\r\nVery rarely do I post anything during duty hours.\r\n\r\nI repeat: Why are you afraid of my commentary?\r\n\r\n"Of course, you know you're a lying sack of goldbricking shit, don't you? \r\nMaybe you should admit that the military is paying you to squat on this board."\r\n\r\nYour ignorance is excusable. Your stupidity is not.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:05:01","modified":"2003-10-05 20:05:01","fileurl":""},{"id":86883,"heading":"The hits just keep coming","article":""Maybe you should admit that the military is paying you to squat on this board. "\r\n\r\nWhat an imbecile.\r\n\r\nWhat on earth makes you think the military or any agency of any government would give a fuck about the silly, nonsensical tripe that gets floated and mocked on these IMC boards.\r\n\r\nYour sense of self importance is rather alarmingly huge.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:05:33","modified":"2003-10-05 20:05:33","fileurl":""},{"id":86884,"heading":"Which of the inmates...","article":"...do you think he is, fresca?\r\n\r\nI've never seen the "honker" handle before.\r\n\r\nGoodness! Yoou don't think he's someone using multiple handles, do you?\r\n\r\nGASP! He has to be a KOBE, then!\r\n\r\nThey're the only ones who do that, after all! Just ask Hex!","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:08:17","modified":"2003-10-05 20:08:17","fileurl":""},{"id":86885,"heading":"Easy come, easy go","article":"It's easy to find gaps in your cheap arguments. I can reply to you for years long.\r\n\r\nYou said "Muslims committing terrorism on virtually every continent" but gave three examples in Asia only.\r\nHehehehehe!!!!\r\n\r\nThere is an old fight between India and Pakistan for largely Muslim Kashmir. The Pakistanis say that Kashmir should have become part of Pakistan in 1947 because the majority of its population are Muslims. They say that numerous United Nations resolutions mean that Kashmiris should be allowed to vote in a plebiscite to decide between India or Pakistan. \r\n\r\nIndonesia? Isn't it an ally of United States? I remember Suharto, a good friend of White House. Since most of Indonesia's 210 million people are Muslims, U.S. interests are a frequent target.\r\n\r\nRussia? You mean Putin's attempt to subdue Muslim Caucasus republic of Chechenya? Since December 1994, Putin have carried out bombing raids from the air, and with artillery and missiles, trying to suppress an independence movement.\r\n\r\nImportant to have in mind is that United States succeed in subjugate many people (even failed in Vietnam and Cuba) however, Muslim world will always refuse U.S. attempts to impose its values.\r\n\r\nTerrorism is the Poor Man's Atomic Bomb.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:10:14","modified":"2003-10-05 20:10:14","fileurl":""},{"id":86888,"heading":"Non anarchist","article":"I'd bet my money on Sheepdog.\r\n\r\nHe's been around today and he's definetly the kinda guy to spend a few hours searching and copying and pasting all of your past headlines.\r\n\r\nWhat a dolt.\r\n\r\nAnd this rabbi guy. Another typical IMC'er who has decided that these islamic terrorists are either innocent, warranted or heroic.\r\n\r\nAt the end of the day, I'm so glad that my guys are in power and making the decisions to finally kill these animals..\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:18:29","modified":"2003-10-05 20:18:29","fileurl":""},{"id":86890,"heading":"By the way","article":""You said "Muslims committing terrorism on virtually every continent" but gave three examples in Asia only. \r\nHehehehehe!!!! "\r\n\r\nAre you serious about this?\r\n\r\nDo you really believe that this is the only continent that the koranimals have struck?\r\n\r\nIs New York in Asia?\r\nIs Haifa?\r\nIs the Sudan?\r\nIs Melbourne?\r\nIs Germany?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:24:31","modified":"2003-10-05 20:24:31","fileurl":""},{"id":86891,"heading":"fresca","article":"Yeah, Sheepdog sounds right.\r\n\r\nCheck the timestamps:\r\n\r\nI posted at 0605. He got all non-sequittury at 0619. I told him my work week at 0718. He listed my recent bits of brilliance at 0755...not much time to search the archives. Only 37 minutes to search, then C&P.\r\n\r\nDare I be so bold as to think he has a database of my posts?\r\n\r\nCool! I'm being cyberstalked! Wait'll I tell Mom!\r\n\r\nIt is gratifying to know I've got someone's panties in a bunch, though.\r\n\r\nMust be doing something right.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:30:15","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":86893,"heading":"Gotcha!","article":""Koranimals"?\r\nHehehehe! Now you exposed yourself as a racist.\r\nThanks a lot.\r\n:)\r\n\r\nP.S.: Those "koranimals" will keep tossing bombs in your ass...live with it...hehehehehe!!!\r\n\r\n","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:34:19","modified":"2003-10-05 20:34:19","fileurl":""},{"id":86896,"heading":"Clarifying","article":"Is New York in Asia? \r\nIs Haifa? \r\nIs the Sudan? \r\nIs Melbourne? \r\nIs Germany? \r\n\r\nMaybe you have some viewing problems.\r\nLemme repeat just for you, little racist:\r\nI think you mean U.S. and Israel representatives around the world, right? \r\nBecause I never heard any terrorist attacks against Peruvian or Czech interests worldwide, or even Argentine, Norwegian, Tanzanian, etc. \r\nMostly of attacks are driven to U.S. and Israeli targets. \r\nIt's because they carry out criminal policies, that's why. \r\n\r\nU.S. and Israel interests worldwide are targets.\r\nBut you can send a letter to Hizbullah to stop attacks to Israeli troops on Lebanon border to attack some guys in Uruguay or Ecuador....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 20:39:13","modified":"2003-10-05 20:39:13","fileurl":""},{"id":86904,"heading":"lots of work there","article":"\r\nOct 1 \r\n6-7AM -late for 'work'\r\nWork (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)\r\nOct 2 \r\n6 AM \r\nwork (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)\r\n5-8 PM \r\nwork (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)\r\nOct 3 \r\n7 AM -late for 'work'\r\nwork (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ)\r\n5-7 Pm \r\nwork (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzZ)","author":"honker","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 21:21:05","modified":"2003-10-05 21:21:05","fileurl":""},{"id":86910,"heading":"???","article":"""Koranimals"? \r\nHehehehe! Now you exposed yourself as a racist. \r\nThanks a lot. \r\n:) "\r\n\r\nWhat's wrong with this.\r\n\r\nThey read the koran.\r\n\r\nThey are animals.\r\n\r\nHence. koranimals.\r\n\r\nNothing racist here. Just a simple observation.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 22:09:56","modified":"2003-10-05 22:09:56","fileurl":""},{"id":86916,"heading":"BA","article":"Somehow, I doubt the good rabbi is going to embrace your analysis, however correct it may be.\r\n\r\nAfter all, these are his idols we speak of.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 22:32:09","modified":"2003-10-05 22:32:09","fileurl":""},{"id":86921,"heading":"Try as I might, honker...","article":"...I can't decipher your code.\r\n\r\nWhat exactly are you smoking, so I can understand your post?\r\n\r\nAnd please answer my question: Why are you afraid of my commentary?","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 22:53:26","modified":"2003-10-05 22:53:26","fileurl":""},{"id":86924,"heading":"Excellent!","article":"You are going better post after post.\r\nThere is nothing wrong to refer to Muslims and Arabs as "Korananimals" as there is nothing wrong when Nazis refer to Jews as vermins, rats and stuff.\r\nProbably Hitler was only making a "simple observation" when called Jews of "sub-race".\r\n\r\nHey, fresca...look...there are blood stains on your SS uniform.\r\n:)\r\n--------\r\n"The attacks against America and Israel aren't retialiatory. They're based on envy and jealousy."\r\n\r\nHo Ho Ho!!!\r\nNext joke, please.\r\n\r\n"The same is true with American society vs. those third world Muslim countries. They resent our success. That's the long of it. That's the short of it. That's it."\r\n\r\nSuccess? I willshow you why mostly of people worldwide hate United States:\r\n\r\n\r\nAMERICAN MILITARY INTERVENTIONS OF THE 20TH CENTURY \r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIPPINES\/l898-1910(-?)\/Naval, troops\/Seized from Spain, U.S. troops kill 600,000 Filipinos. \r\n\r\nCUBA\/l898-1902(-?)\/Naval, troops\/Seized from Spain, U.S. still illegally holds Navy base there over Cuban objections. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/1901-03(-?)\/Naval, troops\/Broke off from Colombia in a U.S. organized 'rebellion', U.S. annexes Canal Zone. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/l903\/Troops\/U.S. Marines intervene in revolution. \r\n\r\nDOMINICAN REP.\/1903-04\/Troops\/U.S. business interests protected in Revolution. \r\n\r\nKOREA\/1904-05\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land in Russo-Japanese War. \r\n\r\nCUBA\/1906-09\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land in democratic election. \r\n\r\nNICARAGUA\/1907\/Troops\/"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate (psuedo- colony) set up. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/l907\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land during war with Nicaragua. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/l908\/Troops\/U.S. Marines intervene in election contest. \r\n\r\nNICARAGUA\/l9l0\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/1911\/Troops\/U.S. business interests protected in civil war. \r\n\r\nCHINA\/1911-41\/Naval, troops\/Continuous occupation with flare-ups \r\n\r\nCUBA\/1912\/Troops\/U.S. business interests protected in Havana. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/l9l2\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land during heated election. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/l9l2\/Troops\/Marines protect U.S. economic interests. \r\n\r\nNICARAGUA\/1912-33\/Troops, bombing\/20-year occupation, fought guerrillas. \r\n\r\nMEXICO\/l9l3\/Naval\/Americans evacuated during revolution. \r\n\r\nDOMINICAN REPUBLIC\/1914\/Naval\/Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo. \r\n\r\nMEXICO\/1914-18\/Naval, troops\/Series of interventions against Mexican nationalists. \r\n\r\nHAITI\/1914-34\/Troops, bombing\/19-year occupation after revolts. \r\n\r\nDOMINICAN REPUBLIC\/1916-24\/Troops\/8-year U.S. Marine occupation. \r\n\r\nCUBA\/1917-33\/Troops\/Military occupation, U.S. declares Cuba an economic protectorate (psuedo-colony). \r\n\r\nUSSR\/1918-22\/Naval, troops\/Five landings to fight Bolsheviks in effort to overthrow the fledgling socialist government. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/1918-20\/Troops\/"Police duty" during unrest after elections. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/l9l9\/Troops\/U.S. Marines land during election campaign. \r\n\r\nGUATEMALA\/1920\/Troops\/2-week intervention against unionists. \r\n\r\nTURKEY\/1922\/Troops\/U.S. fought nationalists in Smyrna. \r\n\r\nCHINA\/1922-27\/Naval, troops\/Deployment during nationalist revolt. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/1924-25\/Troops\/Landed twice during election strife. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/1925\/Troops\/U.S. Marines suppress general strike. \r\n\r\nCHINA\/l928-34\/Troops\/U.S. Marines stationed throughout the country. \r\n\r\nEL SALVADOR\/l932\/Naval\/Warships sent during Marti revolt. \r\n\r\nKOREA\/l951-53(-?)\/Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats\/U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in l950, and against China in l953. China accuses U.S. of biological warfare. Still have bases. \r\n\r\nIRAN\/l953\/Covert\/CIA overthrows democratically elected socialist premier, installs Shah as dictator. \r\n\r\nGUATEMALA\/l954\/Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat\/CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalizes U.S. companies' lands; bombers based in Nicaragua. \r\n\r\nLEBANON\/l958\/Troops, naval\/U.S. Marine occupation against rebels. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/1958\/Troops\/Flag protests erupt into confrontation. \r\n\r\nVIETNAM\/l960-75\/Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats\/Fought South Vietnamese revolt & North Vietnam during the Vietnamese civil war; over two million Vietnamese casualties in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969. \r\n\r\nLAOS\/1961\/Covert\/Military buildup during guerrilla war. \r\n\r\nCUBA\/l961\/Covert\/CIA-directed exile invasion fails. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/l964\/Troops\/Panamanians shot for urging canal's return. \r\n\r\nINDONESIA\/l965\/Covert\/One million-plus killed in CIA-assisted army coup. CIA provides assassination lists to military, plus weapons. \r\n\r\nDOMINICAN REPUBLIC\/1965-66\/Troops, bombing\/U.S. Marines land during election campaign. \r\n\r\nGUATEMALA\/l966-67\/Covert\/Green Berets intervene against rebels. \r\n\r\nCAMBODIA\/l969-75\/Bombing, troops, naval\/Up to 2 million killed in decade during\/after U.S. invasion of Cambodia and bombing, starvation, and political chaos. \r\n\r\nOMAN\/l970\/Covert\/U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion to intervene in Omani civil war. \r\n\r\nLAOS\/l971-73\/Command operation, bombing\/U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside. \r\n\r\nCHILE\/1973\/Covert\/CIA funds and backs coup ousts democratically-elected Marxist president and installs brutal military dictatorship. \r\n\r\nCAMBODIA\/l975\/Troops, bombing\/Intervenes to seize captured ship, 28 die in copter crash. \r\n\r\nIRAN\/l980\/Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing\/Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution. \r\n\r\nLIBYA\/l981\/Naval jets\/Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers. \r\n\r\nEL SALVADOR\/l981-?\/Covert\/U.S. mercenaries, military advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war. \r\n\r\nNICARAGUA\/l981-90\/Covert, naval\/CIA funds, trains, equips and directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution. \r\n\r\nHONDURAS\/l982-?\/Troops\/Maneuvers, help build bases near borders to intimidate Nicaragua. \r\n\r\nLEBANON\/l982-84\/Naval, bombing, troops\/Marines expel PLO and back Christian Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions. \r\n\r\nGRENADA\/l983-84\/Troops, bombing\/Invasion four years after socialist revolution. U.S. installs puppet government. \r\n\r\nLIBYA\/l986\/Bombing, naval\/Air strikes try to topple nationalist gov't. \r\n\r\nBOLIVIA\/1987\/Troops\/Coast Guard and Army assists raids on cocaine region. \r\n\r\nIRAN\/l987-88\/Naval, bombing\/US intervenes on side of Iraq in Gulf War. \r\n\r\nLIBYA\/1989\/Naval jets\/Two Libyan jets shot down. \r\n\r\nPANAMA\/1989-?\/Troops, bombing\/Nationalist government ousted by invasion. U.S. installs puppet government and refuses to hold new elections. \r\n\r\nLIBERIA\/1990-?\/Troops\/Foreigners evacuated during civil war; troops protect CIA communications\/listening post. \r\n\r\nSAUDI ARABIA\/1990-?\/Troops, jets\/Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. Forces also in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel. \r\n\r\nIRAQ\/1990-?\/Naval, bombing, troops\/Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military. \r\n\r\nKUWAIT\/1991-?\/Naval, bombing, troops\/Attacks on Iraqi military; effort to return dictatorial royal family to throne.\r\n\r\nIf you call all this shit of "success", man, I prefer to be a looser.\r\nHehehehehe!!!\r\n\r\n","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 23:19:54","modified":"2003-10-05 23:19:54","fileurl":""},{"id":86925,"heading":"Heil Bill Gates!","article":""...We have Microsoft..."\r\n\r\nHahahahahaha!!! I am sorry for you!\r\nHahahahahahaha!!!","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 23:24:18","modified":"2003-10-05 23:24:18","fileurl":""},{"id":86927,"heading":"It's amazing","article":"It's just amazing that these rabidly left-wing preening "intellectuals" are so willing to defend Saddam Hussein and present him as a victim. All in order to take a swipe at president Bush.\r\n\r\nIt would have been a crime against humanity NOT to remove Saddam Hussein after all the harm he has done to Iraq and the Middle East. ","author":"Amazed","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-05 23:34:29","modified":"2003-10-05 23:34:29","fileurl":""},{"id":86931,"heading":"Heil Bill Gates and George W. Flush","article":""Those interventions were for the benefit of the locals. They don't provide a reason for hating the US, they provide a reason for applauding and admiring the US."\r\n\r\nHehehehehehehehehe!!!\r\nPerhaps all those 600,000 Filipinos killed by US troops may clap their hands six feet under, or maybe over two million Vietnamese, perhaps the hundred thousands of Japanese killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki can say HURRA to U.S. too.\r\n\r\nWell, we can always say that Nazis were liberating Europe from Jews.\r\n\r\nYou see, we can see many similarities between your and "fresca" arguments with Nazi excuses for mass killings.\r\n\r\nBut it's good that you are posting these comments here, for everyone to see how facists you are.\r\n\r\nPlease, keep posting and exposing yourselves.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 00:06:32","modified":"2003-10-06 00:06:32","fileurl":""},{"id":86938,"heading":"Overload","article":"Rabbi has used the word "fascist" again. It's simply mental laziness. You lefties are devaluing the word fascism and insulting the victims of the nazis.\r\n\r\nTry and use your brains and come up with an argument, rather than calling names.","author":"YYYYYYY","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 00:56:57","modified":"2003-10-06 00:56:57","fileurl":""},{"id":86940,"heading":"Benefits","article":""...all of those were beneficial to the citizens of the countries we helped out..."\r\n\r\nSure, I know Japenese and Vietnamese were benefited. Japanese with radiation, and Vietnamese with Napalm.\r\n\r\nI am sure that all people inside WTC were also benefited...\r\n\r\n------------------\r\n"Try and use your brains and come up with an argument, rather than calling names."\r\n\r\nIf you want arguments, just look all my posts above. And facist is how we should call people who support U.S. foreign policy and Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.\r\n\r\nBut if you prefer, I can call you Nazis too. Or maybe dickheads.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 01:08:55","modified":"2003-10-06 01:08:55","fileurl":""},{"id":86944,"heading":"Analysis","article":"Quiz? With all this stuff on Karl Marx, Arab terrorists and Socialism, seems to me questions were taken from some old questionnaire of The Un-American Activities Committee.\r\n\r\nIs McCarthy your family name?\r\n\r\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!\r\n\r\nKeep your McCarthyism for yourself and your Bush ass-kissing guys, man.\r\n:)","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 01:36:58","modified":"2003-10-06 01:36:58","fileurl":""},{"id":86954,"heading":"Ah..","article":"Just getting back in after a fine night out (Go Red Sox!) and our newest resident nazi "rabbi" is still at it making heroes of the koranimals and blaming everything on Jews and Americans.\r\n\r\nI'd say he's towing the IMC party line very well.\r\n\r\nBlame America First, Blame the Jews second, Then make heroes of the savages,\r\n\r\nExcellent work rabbi.\r\n\r\nYour heroes continue to be a plague against all humans everywhere.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 04:49:52","modified":"2003-10-06 04:49:52","fileurl":""},{"id":86964,"heading":"Huh?","article":"Blaming Jews?\r\nWho's blaming Jews?\r\nAre you trying to demoralize criticism against Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories with the same old trick of anti-Semitism allegations?\r\nOh no...I though old dogs could learn new tricks.\r\nNot your case, I see.\r\nHehehehe!!!\r\n\r\nAnyway, it's not my ass on the line of Muslim and Arab hate. You can keep supporting White House strategy on domination. But do not complain when people blow you ass in pieces, ok?\r\n\r\nRemember...you are the hater here. I never called Jews as "Toranimals".\r\n\r\nSee ya!","author":"Rabbi","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 05:09:56","modified":"2003-10-06 05:09:56","fileurl":""},{"id":86965,"heading":"The New X","article":"hehehe he has a point\r\n\r\nit seems fresca is the hater.","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 05:23:49","modified":"2003-10-06 05:23:49","fileurl":""},{"id":86967,"heading":"uh...","article":""Blaming Jews? \r\nWho's blaming Jews? "\r\n\r\nYou've blamed Jews numerous times. You can hide all you want by claiming that you are refering to "Israeli policy" but it's very transparent.\r\n\r\nBottom line is this, you're fantasy that these pieces of human filth commit the crimes they do because of US or Israeli policy is delusional.\r\n\r\nUnless of course you mean the policy of not being an Islamic state.\r\n\r\nIf that is the policy you are refering to then you are correct. That IS why these animals commit heinous murders against pretty much everyone who doesn't share their belief.\r\n\r\nBut if you need to fantasize that they can even understand geo-politics let alone act on them, then by all means go for it.\r\n\r\nAnd as far as being a hater. Sure. You bet. I do hate these terrorists like the "paleostinian" cunt who blew up today. To not hate these cowards is to support them.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 05:31:56","modified":"2003-10-06 05:31:56","fileurl":""},{"id":86970,"heading":"dup monikers","article":"Detected the moniker\r\n"fresca" coming from same IP\r\nas "nonanarchist" or "daveman"","author":"Indy media IP checker","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 05:39:49","modified":"2003-10-06 05:39:49","fileurl":""},{"id":86972,"heading":"I have more info on him","article":"> Detected the moniker \r\n"fresca" coming from same IP \r\nas "nonanarchist" or "daveman"\r\n\r\nand dave is tied to kobe duke and LGF too\r\n\r\n\r\n24.130.5.30\r\n\r\nhas popped up several times from kobe duke on more than one board, along with confirmed cross-posting between kobe sbm and duke..\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 06:43:32","modified":"2003-10-06 06:43:32","fileurl":""},{"id":86975,"heading":"IMC IP Checker & Hex","article":"IP Checker: You are lying.\r\n\r\nHex: "Nonanarchist" IS "daveman", you fool.\r\n\r\n"24.130.5.30 \r\n\r\nhas popped up several times from kobe duke on more than one board, along with confirmed cross-posting between kobe sbm and duke.. "\r\n\r\nAnd you NEVER have proven "nonanarchist" is IN ANY WAT tied to KOBE duke.\r\n\r\nThat is NOT my IP.\r\n\r\nWhich makes you a liar, too.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 10:12:27","modified":"2003-10-06 10:12:27","fileurl":""},{"id":86981,"heading":"Identifying posters by IP","article":"KPC has the same IP and Rabbi, Sheepdog, and New X. They are obviously all the same person. Devoy also has that IP address as does Dick Cheney.\r\n\r\nClearly these pseudonyms are all an invention of Cheney's to make liberals and anarchists look really really dumb.","author":"IMC IP Validator","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 10:43:45","modified":"2003-10-06 10:43:45","fileurl":""},{"id":86991,"heading":"The New X","article":"like Rabbi said, its not his ass on the line coz of ur racism.\r\n\r\nyour zionazi policies have been failing.\r\nyou can choose to keep ur current policies\r\nand have ppl bomb ur ass\r\n\r\nor u can change them.\r\nand change the situation","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 13:49:28","modified":"2003-10-06 13:49:28","fileurl":""},{"id":86994,"heading":"The third option:","article":"Give 'em a taste of their own genocidal medicine.\r\n\r\nLet's say Israel and Palestine combine. \r\n\r\nDo you honestly think there will be peace?\r\n\r\nThe Palestinian culture has been pervaded by a bastardized form of Islam, turned into a death cult, and sends its children to die and kill Jews along with themselves.\r\n\r\nThis is not "legitimate resistance". This is "attempted genocide".\r\n\r\nIsrael has shown remarkable restraint in the face of the attacks on its children. That their are any Palestinians left alive is proof that the genocidal intent is strictly on the Arab side of the equation.\r\n\r\nNow: all you fools can start calling me a "racist" and a "fascist" and a "Hitler" and all the other terms you use without any real understanding of their meaning; your use of them only thinly disquises your hatred of those who disagree with you.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 13:57:53","modified":"2003-10-06 13:57:53","fileurl":""},{"id":87008,"heading":"The New X","article":"when you keep an entire people caged up, what more do you expect? endless love?\r\n\r\nyour zionazi policies have been failing. \r\nyou can choose to keep ur current policies \r\nand have ppl bomb ur ass \r\n\r\nor u can change them. \r\nand change the situation\r\n\r\n","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 15:43:59","modified":"2003-10-06 15:43:59","fileurl":""},{"id":87017,"heading":"Help Find The New X","article":"Find this person, post his\/her address, phone number, social security and drivers license. Also get a jpeg of front and side views. There are probably mug shots on file. Also fingerprints.","author":"Post His Identity Address and Phone Number","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 17:24:11","modified":"2003-10-06 17:24:11","fileurl":""},{"id":87020,"heading":"^","article":"Why?\r\n\r\nWhat's he done wrong?\r\n\r\nHis views on the Middle East are wrong, but that ain't illegal.\r\n\r\nLuckily for imc.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 17:33:21","modified":"2003-10-06 17:33:21","fileurl":""},{"id":87053,"heading":"The New X","article":"not my ass on the line.\r\n\r\nyour zionazi policies are wrong\r\ndont complain again if they bomb ur ass.","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 21:37:30","modified":"2003-10-06 21:37:30","fileurl":""},{"id":87056,"heading":"Somebody hit X...","article":"...he's stuck.\r\n\r\nAre you Muslim, X?\r\n\r\nIf not, no matter how much you support them, radical Islamists want you either enslaved, converted, or dead.\r\n\r\nYou appeasement policies are wrong. Don't be shocked when they bomb YOUR ass.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 21:45:13","modified":"2003-10-06 21:45:13","fileurl":""},{"id":87062,"heading":"The New X","article":"you cannot compare Palestinian terrorism to Al Qaida's terrorism.\r\n\r\nif you said al-qaida wanted to reestablish an islamic caliphate and destroy all those who stood in the way of their goals, i would believe you.\r\n\r\nthe palestinians however, are a subjugated people who have chosen violence as a form of resistance.\r\n\r\nalthough violence, in my opinion, is an immoral (and ineffective) path, it is still nevertheless a form of resistance for the palestinians.\r\n\r\nas long as everyone thinks that the palestinians are killing just for fun, and as long as everyone believes that the palestinians have nothing to resist against, then the violence will continue. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 22:02:10","modified":"2003-10-06 22:02:10","fileurl":""},{"id":87081,"heading":"The New X","article":"keep bullying someone, and eventually that person will snap. whether if its with guns in a school, or a bomb in a restaurant.","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 22:39:11","modified":"2003-10-06 22:39:11","fileurl":""},{"id":87085,"heading":"Right","article":""you cannot compare Palestinian terrorism to Al Qaida's terrorism. "\r\n\r\nTrue enough New X.\r\n\r\nBut that still doesn't make the "palestinian" terrorism any less dispicable.\r\n\r\nThe "oppression" that you are so fond of claiming exists is a direct retaliation against islamic terrorism.\r\n\r\nAnd, obviously, groups like Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Brigade and Hamas are murdering for religious purposes....not for an end to oppression..\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 22:56:23","modified":"2003-10-06 22:56:23","fileurl":""},{"id":87089,"heading":"The New X","article":"there is a difference between retaliation and oppression.\r\n\r\nretaliation could be the assassination of a terrorist leader\r\n\r\noppression = 24 hour curfews, helicopter gunships firing missiles into crowded marketplaces in order to kill one terrorist in a car.\r\n\r\nand dont u think such religious terrorist groups brainwash those palestinians simply fighting for their own freedom?\r\n\r\ngive those palestinians something to lose, and they will not throw their lives away just to kill a few israelis.\r\n","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-06 23:07:32","modified":"2003-10-06 23:07:32","fileurl":""},{"id":87100,"heading":"Good point","article":""and dont u think such religious terrorist groups brainwash those palestinians simply fighting for their own freedom? \r\n\r\ngive those palestinians something to lose, and they will not throw their lives away just to kill a few israelis. \r\n\r\n"\r\n\r\nGood point New X, and I agree with you.\r\n\r\nI'm all for allowing Plastine to become a soveriegn nation in spite of my belifs that the land was never theirs to begin with.\r\n\r\nAll that aside and irrelevant, I believe they should have a state. That said, they (the average palestinian) needs to step up and realize that this will only happen when THEY condemn and put down the terrorism which they have, at least indirectly, tolerated and supported for decades. This is their side of the comprimise. Israel's will be the end of settlements and the turning over of the disputed terrirtories.\r\n\r\nEverything rests on the palestinians themselves stopping the bombings...everything including US support stems from that.\r\n\r\nIf the bombings ceased aand hamas et al were run out of palestine and Israel continued to attack, I believe US support and aid would definetly dwindle eventually. They've already threatened it with these latest plans of new settlements.\r\n\r\nBut Israel must be allowed to retailiate and protect itself as long as the common palestinian won't.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-07 01:37:33","modified":"2003-10-07 01:37:33","fileurl":""},{"id":87112,"heading":"The New X","article":"palestinians livin in palestine arent particularly well educated. the less educated u are, the more susceptible to propaganda u are.\r\n\r\nthats why i believe they cannot simply "realize". u know?\r\n\r\nall im sayin is when Israel retaliates with collective punishment, they are only adding fuel to the fire.\r\n\r\na palestinian listening to a islamist leader sayin that israel is oppressing them is more likely to believe the leader if he actually sees killing of innocent palestinians by israeli retaliatory strikes.","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-07 02:19:12","modified":"2003-10-07 02:19:12","fileurl":""},{"id":87114,"heading":"Okay,","article":"More good points.\r\n\r\nSo what's to be done?\r\n\r\nWhat would the first step towards a fair peace be in your mind?","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-07 02:22:49","modified":"2003-10-07 02:22:49","fileurl":""},{"id":87205,"heading":"The New X","article":"I dont know.\r\n\r\nas an immediate step\r\n\r\nperhaps israel could continue building its fence as long it is built along the green line and not on palestinian territory.\r\n\r\nthen perhaps international peacekeepers could set up a series of checkpoints along the wall to screen those palestinians who are travelling to their workplaces in israel while all israeli forces withdraw behind the fence. that way they palestinians wont feel as humiliated.\r\n\r\nbut then again, i dont know whether palestinians would favour the presence of international peacekeepers. terrorist attacks against peacekeepers may happen.\r\n\r\ni dont know how the palestinians would feel bout that","author":"The New X","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-07 16:55:16","modified":"2003-10-07 16:55:16","fileurl":""},{"id":87361,"heading":"Fair enough","article":"First of all New X, I much prefer disciussing this stuff like this than the usual exchnge of insults. Thanks.\r\n\r\nI don't know what to do either. I think the settlements need to stop being built first. Dismantling existing ones will have to wait. \r\n\r\nI don't know what else Israel can do immediately to send an olive branch, if you will.\r\n\r\nThe wall seems like a good idea but I can't see it actually helping in the long run.\r\n\r\nI don't know.","author":"fresca","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 02:19:41","modified":"2003-10-08 02:19:41","fileurl":""},{"id":87389,"heading":"wait i know what Israel can do...","article":"launch another cruise missle at Syria!!!!\r\n\r\nMaybe invade lebanon!!!!\r\n\r\nOh Sorry \r\ntoo late","author":"zionist","parent_id":86822,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-08 09:04:13","modified":"2003-10-08 09:04:13","fileurl":""}]}