{"article":{"id":82424,"heading":"Converge on NYC-IMC 9.11.03 - Watch Activists Eat Their Own","author":"NYC","created":"2003-09-12 17:53:24","modified":"2003-09-18 02:44:30","last_modified":"Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:44:30","article":"

The collective at NYC-IMC made an independent decision to remove some the the racist, Jew-hating, Brazilian artist\/pretender Latuff's anti-semetic drawing from their website, and \"authority hating activists\" everywhere are converging on this date on the NYC-IMC site to demand that they don't exercise their own free-will. Won't you attend and watch these idiots eat each other alive.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/nyc.indymedia.org\/","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Watch the IMC communty accuse each other of censorship.","numcomment":33,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/09\/82424.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":82425,"heading":"bump","article":"bump\r\nto the top","author":"bump","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 17:54:05","modified":"2003-09-12 17:54:05","fileurl":""},{"id":82443,"heading":""bump" is from the FReeper lexicon.","article":"Which just goes to emphasize that the trolls on this board are also FReepers.\r\n\r\nAs for NYCIndyMedia, I am torn. I believe that Latuff's work is not anti-Semitic. I also believe that NYC IndyMedia has the right to set its own standards. The best solution is to build an alternative NYC IndyMedia that does not impose Zionist restrictions on content.","author":"Anti-FReeper","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 18:41:40","modified":"2003-09-12 18:41:40","fileurl":""},{"id":82451,"heading":""The best solution..."","article":"...is to build an alternative NYC IndyMedia that does not impose Zionist restrictions on content."\r\n\r\nJust like sf-imc.\r\n\r\nThe more a topic is anti-Jew, the more they like it.\r\n\r\nIf anyone posts anything critical of Palestinians, Islam, or Arabs, it gets pushed to the "hidden" file faster than you can say "anti-Semitism".\r\n\r\nSounds just like what you're after.","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 18:58:12","modified":"2003-09-12 18:58:12","fileurl":""},{"id":82456,"heading":"NYC-IMC","article":"I also forgot to mention that I believe that Jews are dirty pigs and should be exterminated.\r\n\r\nI love IMC.","author":"Anti-FReeper","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 19:19:34","modified":"2003-09-12 19:19:34","fileurl":""},{"id":82464,"heading":"^","article":"That was me. I hate Jews, Arabs, and anyone ELSE that's different from me. I'm a conservative.\r\n\r\n","author":"nonanarchist","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 19:56:14","modified":"2003-09-12 19:56:14","fileurl":""},{"id":82468,"heading":"Spook Alert: Petty Divisions","article":"The NYCIMC has been co-opted by pro-Zionist white liberals. Being anti-Zionist does not constitute being Anti-Jew. Ask any progressive Orthodox Jew from the Middle East or the East Coast, like the ones who participated in the Pro-Palestine \r\nmarches in DC in the fall and spring of 2002 and they'll \r\ntell you the distinction between them and the white privilege-based poseurs in the US and the Israeli government.\r\nUnder the Ottoman Turks and Moor, Israel and Palestine had religious tolerance for Jews, Muslims, and Christians, but \r\nthe Anglo-Saxon monarchs from Western Europe screwed it all\r\nup and brought imperialism and white supremacy to the middle east and its been f#$ked up ever since, and only got worse\r\nwith the state of Israel being set up as a Zionist institution, just like the Judeo-Christian Zionist ideology that was behind the Puritans claims on America as "their\r\nland" granted by God. Please, the IMC does not bash jews,\r\nit criticizes Israelis who have made a travesty of the holy\r\nland with their corrupted, white supremacist ideology of \r\nzionism, which is similar to the manifest destiny concept that Anglo-Saxons used to steal North America from the Native Americans. That is why zionists and pseudo-Christians on the right like Jerry Fallwell can do a square dance nowardays\r\nwaiting for the return of the Messiah and the opportunity to trick the zionists into becoming Christians. Get a clue\r\nand realize you're just a pawn for white supremacy and British\/US imperialism. And this has nothing to do with \r\nthe nazi skinheads who are too stupid to realize that their\r\nown version of Christianity is just as much a part of the\r\nzionist ideology of the jews they claim to hate. \r\nYa'll so stupid..its unfortunate that people have to die due\r\nto your ignorance.\r\nNYC needs a new IMC...\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"mediawatcher","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-12 20:01:51","modified":"2003-09-12 20:01:51","fileurl":""},{"id":82584,"heading":"bump","article":"No. You just hate Jews.","author":"bump","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 00:10:32","modified":"2003-09-13 00:10:32","fileurl":""},{"id":82587,"heading":"Of COURSE it does","article":""Being anti-Zionist does not constitute being Anti-Jew."\r\n\r\nNothing could be more ludicrous.\r\n\r\nBeing there's no reason on earth to be "anti-Zionist" unless you are anti_jew.\r\n\r\nZionism is simply the belief that Jews should have a homeland of their own. Israel is simply defending land that is rightfully theirs. Not because of some 2000 year old text. But because they either bought the land (first Israeli settlers), were awarded in (UN 1948) or legitimately gained the land after defeating neighboring invading armies (1967).\r\n\r\nThe only possible reason anyone could have for hating a movement which seeks to defend itself and keep what little land they own is the hatred of the people themselves.\r\n\r\nIt's amazing that the racist anti_zionists actually think that anyone actually believes their nonsense about not being racist.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 00:24:06","modified":"2003-09-13 00:24:06","fileurl":""},{"id":82596,"heading":"Have I got a picture FOR YOU fresca","article":">> "Being anti-Zionist does not constitute being Anti-Jew." \r\n\r\n> Nothing could be more ludicrous. \r\n\r\n>Being there's no reason on earth to be "anti-Zionist" unless you are anti_jew. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 00:42:31","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/many1mdpvay.jpg33oyxp.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/many1mdpvay.jpg33oyxp.jpg"}},{"id":82599,"heading":"Why are they standing so far apart?","article":"There must have been at least 150,000 at that protest.\r\n\r\nDid the organizers just pick a few to pose for that photograph?","author":"Observer","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 01:10:32","modified":"2003-09-13 01:10:32","fileurl":""},{"id":82600,"heading":"most likely the reason is","article":"because the police wouldn't let too many stand there on the sidewalk at once - blocking other people from walking, or a security precaution because of being so near the whitehouse..\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 01:16:10","modified":"2003-09-13 01:16:10","fileurl":""},{"id":82601,"heading":"You don't know do you?","article":"Mebby only 12 showed up.\r\n\r\n","author":"Observer","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 01:19:35","modified":"2003-09-13 01:19:35","fileurl":""},{"id":82604,"heading":"Hell if even only one showed up","article":"It proves "fresca" wrong. So the dozen or so seen prove him wrong 12 times over...\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 01:30:31","modified":"2003-09-13 01:30:31","fileurl":""},{"id":82605,"heading":"Now Hex..","article":"What if I told you that image was a composite made with Photoshop.\r\n\r\nAre YOU sure the image YOU posted is a real photograph that captured the actual event?\r\n\r\nDid YOU take it and are you in posession of the negative?\r\n\r\nYou are stupid, you regurgitate what you are fed.\r\n","author":"Observer","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 01:37:19","modified":"2003-09-13 01:37:19","fileurl":""},{"id":82609,"heading":"huh?","article":""It proves "fresca" wrong. So the dozen or so seen prove him wrong 12 times over... "\r\n\r\nAre you nuts?\r\n\r\nYou post a picture of a couple of Jews who are so deluded that they hate their own (much like the asses here on the left who hate America?) and that's supposed to prove me "wrong".\r\n\r\nAre you really that desperate?\r\n\r\nLOL!\r\n\r\nFace it. All those years pretending to be a scientist hasn't done much for your debating skills,\r\n\r\nSo, anti-Zionism remains a racist.\r\n\r\nPull!\r\n\r\nAnother ","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 02:19:47","modified":"2003-09-13 02:19:47","fileurl":""},{"id":82610,"heading":"I'm stupid - part 1","article":"Rabbi Mordecai Weberman (R) and Massoud Shadjareh (L)\r\n(REUTERS\/Mike Hutchings)","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:21:07","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/5.jpgh89cwz.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/5.jpgh89cwz.jpg"}},{"id":82611,"heading":"You post a picture of a *couple* of Jews","article":"50,000 people in Durban demonstrate against zionism","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:25:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-anti-zionism-march.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-anti-zionism-march.jpg"}},{"id":82612,"heading":"I'm stupid part 3","article":"Rabbi Dovid Feldman, Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss & Massoud Shadjareh ","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:27:19","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-march3.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-march3.jpg"}},{"id":82614,"heading":"I'm stupid part 4","article":"Orthodox Jews and pro-Palestinian supporters united in a protest march against zionism in Durban, South Africa, Friday Aug. 31, 2001 to coincide with the opening of the UN Racism Conference. The series of photographs on the banner show Mohammed al-Dura, 12, crouching behind his father Jamal al-Dura with Israeli forces shooting at them (September 2000). Mohammed was shot dead by the Israelis, the murder was captured on video. (AP Photo\/Karel Prinsloo)","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:30:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-anti-zionist-jews.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-anti-zionist-jews.jpg"}},{"id":82615,"heading":"yep","article":""50,000 people in Durban demonstrate against zionism" \r\n\r\n A bunch of Nazis marched in Skokie Il. and in Gaza as well.\r\n\r\nAre you actually trying to use pictures to prove some sort of point? As if enough people agree with your racism then it must be okay?\r\n\r\nKnock yourself out Rupert.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 02:30:27","modified":"2003-09-13 02:30:27","fileurl":""},{"id":82616,"heading":"They must just be nazi's","article":"Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta. \r\nThere are in fact many >>>Jewish movements<<<, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:34:52","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-march1.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-march1.jpg"}},{"id":82617,"heading":"They must be just nazi's","article":"So, anti-Zionism remains a racist. ","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 02:36:09","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-014.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/durban-014.jpg"}},{"id":82618,"heading":"OK so now you used Paint Shop Pro!","article":"You ever seen Flight 405???\r\n\r\nThat was as real as your pictures.\r\n\r\n","author":"Observer...","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 02:36:47","modified":"2003-09-13 02:36:47","fileurl":""},{"id":82619,"heading":"as real as "my" pictures","article":"http:\/\/www.jewsnotzionists.org\/\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.realnews247.com\/neturei_karta%20_orthodox_jews_united_against_zionism.htm\r\n\r\nContrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know >>>Jewish<<< anti-Zionist movements such as *Satmar* and *Neturei Karta*. \r\n\r\nThere are in fact >>> many Jewish movements <<<, groups and organizations whose ideology regarding Zionism and the so-called "State of Israel" is that of the unadulterated Torah position that any form of Zionism is heresy and that the existence of the so-called "State of Israel" is illegitimate.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nLet me get this straight, http:\/\/www.jewsnotzionists.org\/\r\nisn't a real web site, all thier photos are fake, all JEWISH people who are against Zionism are "self-hating nazi's", and I've simply been duped...\r\n\r\nI see\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 02:43:12","modified":"2003-09-13 02:43:12","fileurl":""},{"id":82625,"heading":"My "fake" www.nkusa.org pictures","article":"" What if I told you that image was a composite made with Photoshop. "\r\n"Are YOU sure the image YOU posted is a real photograph that captured the actual event?"\r\n"You are stupid, you regurgitate what you are fed." \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nkusa.org\/\r\n\r\nJews United Against Zionism\r\n\r\nOn July 29, 2003, supporters and members of the Neturei Karta travelled to Washington, DC to demonstrate in front of the White House, protesting the visit to President Bush by Prime Minister Arial Sharon of the zionist state of Israel. CLICK HERE for images of the White House demonstration.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 03:41:52","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/speak2.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/speak2.jpg"}},{"id":82687,"heading":"Palestinians Drink the Kool-Aid","article":""Yasser Arafat stormed out of a meeting of the Fatah Central Council in Ramallah on Thursday after a bitter confrontation with Gen. Nasser Youssef, the nominee to be interior minister in the new cabinet," reports the Jerusalem Post:\r\n\r\nAccording to well-informed sources in Ramallah, an enraged Arafat left the meeting after Youssef described him as "the most incompetent revolutionary leader in history." The sources said Arafat hurled insults at Youssef as he walked out of the room.\r\n\r\nThe same article describes a mob scene outside Arafat's compound:\r\n\r\nArafat told the rally that the Palestinians will march towards Jerusalem until they achieve victory. The crowd responded by shouting, "We will sacrifice millions of martyrs on the road to Jerusalem."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.jpost.com\/servlet\/Satellite?pagename=JPost\/A\/JPArticle\/ShowFull&cid=1063266359626\r\n\r\nSeems to me Arafat is indeed incompetent if the best he can do is lead his people in a mass suicide several orders of magnitude bigger than Jonestown.\r\n\r\nArafat won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.\r\n\r\nReuters reports that both Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah are warning Israel not to expel Arafat. Abdullah says expulsion would be a "grave mistake," while Mubarak says: "Nobody can tell what would happen in the Palestinian territories if Arafat is expelled. Terrorism, violence will erupt everywhere."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/asia.reuters.com\/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=3429125\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/famulus.msnbc.com\/FamulusIntl\/reuters09-12-023927.asp\r\n\r\nOne suspects that the real reason Arab rulers want Israel to hang on to Arafat is that they don't want to have to take him in themselves. This unsympathetic profile notes that Arafat has previously been expelled from Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Other than suicidal Palestinians, no one wants this guy.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.shmana.com\/art\/profile_arafat.html\r\n","author":"Ffutal","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 20:06:27","modified":"2003-09-13 20:06:27","fileurl":""},{"id":82693,"heading":"ROFL","article":"Rupert, you are great!\r\n\r\nBeyond the insupportable nonsense of your position, I have to thank you for your humorous attempt at "proof".\r\n\r\nPosting different shots of the same three rabbis in various configurations is just too good.\r\n\r\nWhat a movement they have!\r\n\r\nI believe that's strike three.","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 20:17:53","modified":"2003-09-13 20:17:53","fileurl":""},{"id":82703,"heading":"The time sink speaks","article":"> I have to thank you for your humorous attempt at "proof". Posting different shots of the same three rabbis in various configurations is just too good. \r\n\r\nWell you know "fresca the time sink" I was just WAITING for you to still claim that (even though anyone can go to the websites and see for themselves)\r\n\r\nJews United Against Zionism\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nkusa.org\/\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.jewsnotzionists.org\/\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.realnews247.com\/neturei_karta%20_orthodox_jews_united_against_zionism.htm\r\n\r\nSO, since you still claim the photographs are fake despite this I've got ***LIVE VIDEO FOOTAGE WITH SOUND*** of *exactly* the same scene !\r\n\r\nKnock yourself out, time sinking LIAR\r\n\r\n"What if I told you that image was a composite made with Photoshop." \r\n"Are YOU sure the image YOU posted is a real photograph that captured the actual event?" \r\n"You are stupid, you regurgitate what you are fed." \r\n"You ever seen Flight 405???" \r\n"That was as real as your pictures."\r\n \r\nHere's live video footage of the exact pictures "observer" and "fresca" say are fake;\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nkusa.org\/Media_Clips\/Video\/RabbiWeiss29July03WDC256.wmv\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-09-13 20:39:01","modified":"2005-08-15 01:40:54","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/1.jpghalp3d.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/09\/1.jpghalp3d.jpg"}},{"id":82712,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Fresca, calling someone an anti-semite for criticism of Israel is ludicrous. Stop being ludicrous.\r\n\r\nI know that you try to take an extreme opposing position to highlite the extremes of your opposition...but sometimes it leaves you looking like a robotic idiot...\r\n\r\n..and I do not think that you are....\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 21:00:23","modified":"2003-09-13 21:00:23","fileurl":""},{"id":82727,"heading":"fresca","article":"I agree that I may take the extreme at times and may come across as way too harsh.\r\n\r\nBut here's my defense of my charges of anti-semitism.\r\n\r\nWhen I come across someone who is very much opposed to Israel and it's policies, claiming to be concerned about the "palestinians" and their rights YET is utterly unconcerned about the plight of any other arabs I become suspicious. Now I'm sure some will say, "Oh but I DO feel for the slaves in Sudan or even the plight of the "palestinians" in Lebanon and Jordan". But we never hear anything. It's all exclusively the evil Israeli's versus the saintly Palestinians.\r\n\r\nIf there is an honest concern for human rights and peace then there has to be discussion of ALL elements of it. To only focus on one small peiece is a bit dodgy. I've said before around here that Isarel is by no means free of guilt in all of this and MUST be the side to make the first overtures of peace. But they are just one side on a two way street. There is never even a hint that the Palestinians may have a role in all this as well. There is just blanket condemnation of Israel and blanket lionizing of Palestine.\r\n\r\nThat's why I think it all smacks of racism. \r\n\r\nAnyway, there you go.\r\n\r\nBy the way, ever listen to 16horsepower?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-13 23:14:55","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":83114,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"I agree, to a point. But could you imagine that there is someone who has similar thoughts but responds to your polarized argument in polarized terms?\r\n\r\nAnd also, there is the fact that the Israel\/Palestine issue is front page stuff, and so gets front page debate and conventional "wisdom" from both sides...which is mostly hollow, empty hot air. But I think screaming racism is a little stretch....if it were visa-versa, and people were dragging obscure Israel condemnations from the back pages....such as blaming the activities of this misadministration on the Israel lobby, I would tend to agree.\r\n\r\n16hp? Heard about but never heard...how would you classify 'em?","author":"KPC","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-17 20:32:00","modified":"2003-09-17 20:32:00","fileurl":""},{"id":83171,"heading":"fresca","article":"All good points.\r\n\r\nFor the most part, I'm sure you're probably right. Most of the anti-Israel crowd aren't flat out racists I suppose, but I still maintain that there is an element of "group think" when it comes to opposing Isarel. It is simply the "thing to do" if you are on the left, it seems.\r\n\r\nI don't know, I just think that both sides need to be accountable; not just Israel.\r\n\r\n16horsepower are amazing. Dark, sorta fire and brimstone southern gothic (as in Faulkner - not bats and lunchboxes). Get "sackcloth and ashes".","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-18 00:41:29","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":83182,"heading":"Of course","article":""Low Estate" is very good as well.","author":"fresca","parent_id":82424,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-18 02:44:31","modified":"2003-09-18 02:44:31","fileurl":""}]}