{"article":{"id":77208,"heading":"Blackout in U.S.A. (by Latuff)","author":"Latuff","created":"2003-08-15 19:24:45","modified":"2005-08-15 01:38:48","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:38:48","article":"","contact":"latuff@uninet.com.br","link":"latuff.deviantart.com","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/gif","summary":"Copyright-free artwork by Brazilian cartoonist Latuff.","numcomment":57,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2003\/08\/blackout.gif","filesize":"19.7 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2003\/08\/77208.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2003\/08\/blackout.gif"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":77231,"heading":"Its microsofts fault","article":"The Blaster "worm" has attacked the infastructure in the northeast power grid.\r\nMS should have closed that back door.\r\n","author":"blaster worm","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-15 22:23:08","modified":"2003-08-15 22:23:08","fileurl":""},{"id":77235,"heading":"wtc explosions and blackout linkage","article":"I heard that the mossad had contacted all the jews in nYC and that they had all left the city prior to the blackout.\r\n\r\nAlso, notice that bush was not in the city!","author":"reallytruely","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-15 22:42:22","modified":"2003-08-15 22:42:22","fileurl":""},{"id":77298,"heading":"don't forget the orther No's...","article":"No, solar energy is not feasable.\r\n\r\nNo,  fuel tech is not feasable.\r\n\r\nNo, windmills are not helpful.\r\n\r\nNo, we won't explore new energy sources.\r\n\r\nNo, we haven't squeezed all the profit out of oil yet.\r\n\r\nNo, clean sustainable energy won't make Bush more money.\r\n\r\nNo, finding new sustainable alternatives will not help U.S. take over the world.","author":"FluxRostrum","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-16 09:26:15","modified":"2003-08-16 09:26:15","fileurl":""},{"id":77300,"heading":"Latuff the idiot","article":"His drawing shows a basic misunderstanding of Americans, and especially New Yorkers.\r\n\r\nAmericans do not cower in fear.\r\n\r\nAnd as evidenced by the blackout in NYC, the people there pulled together and helped each other.  In a city with people who have a reputation for knocking you in the head if they have a chance, the people held out helping hands.\r\n\r\nNothing like the drawing.","author":"NYC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-16 11:15:34","modified":"2003-08-16 11:15:34","fileurl":""},{"id":77307,"heading":"Blackout","article":"IT HAPPENED IN SAME SPOT, AUTUMN 1965! \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.cmpco.com\/about\/system\/blackout.html","author":"1965","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-16 12:56:28","modified":"2003-08-16 12:56:28","fileurl":""},{"id":77447,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":""My career is in electrical power production, so I know the factors involved."\r\n\r\nOh and we all trust the people working at our utility companies not to lie to us...\r\n\r\n...um..that claim ain't gonna get you much sympathy for your position here in California, Puddin'Head....","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-17 06:12:02","modified":"2003-08-17 06:12:02","fileurl":""},{"id":77473,"heading":"It can be done","article":""You demand the government force utility companies to provide free power with zero emissions with no outages and no new transmission lines in your back yard.'\n\nIt's called engineering.  We have the technology but lack the economic incentive  \nUsing earth field resonance, we can supply power without wires and\nwith out meters too, heh, heh.\nThe ionosphere is a power supply beyond our needs by any conceivably\nneeded or safe load.  The rest is merely another serious engineering build.  \nThat's only one known source.   And believe me it is known.  Google search [Haarp].  Let the peasents play. \nThere are more mundane to exotic models for filling your listed parameters of build..\nTesla knew and we are rediscovering the structures of the j axises.\nBut we have learned one thing yet again.\nThe insider corruptions of such monopolistic power.  And how Fragile they are.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-17 12:46:17","modified":"2003-08-17 12:46:17","fileurl":""},{"id":77482,"heading":"interesting side lines,,,","article":"do a google search [ Tesla+wireless]\n[earth+ionosphere+solar+wind]\nno economic incentive,","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-17 14:25:53","modified":"2003-08-17 14:25:53","fileurl":""},{"id":77496,"heading":"If its on the net then it's true","article":"KPC and Sheepdog chime in with useless comments yet again.  Get a life.","author":"Zyprexa","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-17 20:20:51","modified":"2003-08-17 20:20:51","fileurl":""},{"id":77715,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"....these companies need to take responsibility for their own fuck-ups and stop blaming the customers...fire the CEO's, revoke their charter, return to assets to the public...\r\n\r\n...oh, that's right...personal responsibility is for people..."corporate responsibility" is an oxymoron...","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 13:43:47","modified":"2003-08-19 13:43:47","fileurl":""},{"id":77732,"heading":"Energy","article":"I don't blame the companies or the customers.  I blame the envirnmetalists that we've allowed to hijack our coutry with their over-the-top anti-capitalist agenda.  It's past time to tell these people to shut up, relegate them back to a dark corners of frindge society where they rightfully belong, and get on with the business of providing the goods and services we as consumers want and need.","author":"consumer","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 14:53:31","modified":"2003-08-19 14:53:31","fileurl":""},{"id":77741,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...of course the companies are not to blame for their bad business decisions...it's GOTTA be somebody ELSE...\r\n\r\n...funny how these geeks yell and yell about the hands of business being tied by environmentalists...COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that it is not (as it was not here in CA) a generating capacity issue...but a distribution\/marketing issue....\r\n\r\n...then again...Republicans have never been good at dealing in fact....lies, equivocations and delusions are the Republican's lifeblood....","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 15:33:28","modified":"2003-08-19 15:33:28","fileurl":""},{"id":77744,"heading":"Ooops!","article":"Radical evironmentalists have prevented the building of new facilities, the drilling for more oil and natural gas resources, etc....  Companies can't be blamed for not being able to build new plants or drill for new resources, thus keeping up with the increasing demand.  It was only a matter of time until the radical agenda of the short-sighted left caught up with us.\r\n\r\nCalifornia should have built a minimum of five nuclear power plants in the past 20 years.  The enviro radicals wouldn't allow it.  California should be selling energy to other states, not being dependent as we are now.    How long will it be until the majority of the American people learn to simply ignore these radicals?  When these leftists are rightfully releguated to the dust-bin of society, then we the people will build a better world for all people.","author":"energy","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 15:46:01","modified":"2003-08-19 15:46:01","fileurl":""},{"id":77749,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"What's the matter with you, can't you READ?  The huge bailout of the CA utility industry in '98 was PRECISELY due to huge cost overruns from nuclear power.  We were sold a bill of goods ("power too cheap to meter" was the lie told at the time), and the consumer was left holding the bag to the tune of $28 billion for these poor managment decisions (Prop 9 would have halted this boondoggle, but the utilities ponied up $39 million worth of lies to defeat it).  \r\n\r\nThe later manufactured "crisis" was not because of lack of capacity, but because generators held back power in order to drive up prices in the newly deregulated market created by AB 1890.   I am sure honest Californians with a memory and a utility bill  will recall the promise of an immediate and long lasting 20% rate reduction.  Well, what happened to that?   Fucked again by the utilities....\r\n\r\n...why do you Republicans always carry water for these reprobate criminals?  It really is sad....it's not like they even PAY you for your lackey services....\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 16:27:03","modified":"2003-08-19 16:27:03","fileurl":""},{"id":77751,"heading":"Prices","article":"California is an expensive state.  Either annie up or get the fuck out.","author":"putoutthedough","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 16:31:07","modified":"2003-08-19 16:31:07","fileurl":""},{"id":77789,"heading":"ha ha ha","article":"solar power?\r\nwind power?\r\nhydroelectric power?\r\nThese fuels are only temporary...they will run out.\r\nOne day we will have to find an alternative.\r\nps\r\nyou are an idiot.\r\npss\r\nis there anything else you can do besides cut and paste?","author":"mrs wilsons a whore","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 19:19:19","modified":"2003-08-19 19:19:19","fileurl":""},{"id":77792,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Puddin'Head: "They cite the dams' impact on fish, but in fact they oppose, on general principle, the notion of toying with nature. "\r\n\r\n...nice dismissive slight of hand there...\r\n\r\n...fuckin' tool......","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 19:24:50","modified":"2003-08-19 19:24:50","fileurl":""},{"id":77815,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"So which is it, Puddin'Head, do they oppose, on general principle, the notion of toying with nature.....or are they sacrificing the human race in order to save snails and fish...\r\n\r\n...first he dismisses, then he brings it up...what'll da P'Head do next?","author":"KPC","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 21:19:32","modified":"2003-08-19 21:19:32","fileurl":""},{"id":77829,"heading":"Enviro whackos","article":""Environmentalists even oppose generating electricity by harnessing the natural power of rivers through clean hydroelectric dams. In fact, leading environmentalists lobby to have the dams torn down. They cite the dams' impact on fish, but in fact they oppose, on general principle, the notion of toying with nature."\r\n\r\nThey may claim they oppose the notion of toying with nature, but they are anti-capitalist.  Nature is not the issue.  Man is the issue.  These people believe the Earth is our "Mother".  How fucking loopey is that?  They want us all to live in caves.  We need to get back to the land.  Stop using electricity and cars and other things that hurt out "Mother".  Screwballs, every last one of them.\r\n\r\n"however, these crazies want to sacrifice the human race in favor of snails and fish."\r\n\r\nExactly.  The Earth is the snails and fishes "Mother".  It's mankind that is the evil predator that needs to be bound up.  What have fish and snails ever done to us, they ask.  Crazies is being too polite when describing these idiots.","author":"Mjr. Tom","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 22:56:29","modified":"2003-08-19 22:56:29","fileurl":""},{"id":77831,"heading":"HALL to mjr. Tom","article":"you are going to find that difficult, without your helment.","author":"HALL","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 23:04:40","modified":"2003-08-19 23:04:40","fileurl":""},{"id":77833,"heading":"Space Oddity","article":"It's "Ground Control to Mjr. Tom".\r\nRemember?\r\n\r\n"Take your protein pills and put your helmet on."","author":"David Bowie","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 23:08:15","modified":"2003-08-19 23:08:15","fileurl":""},{"id":77850,"heading":"You used to be an anarchist David","article":"I saw your post a few days ago...\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/08\/77269.php\r\n\r\nNotice one well known Arachanist was the only one to object to  the minutes.\r\n\r\nP.S to the uninitiated the reference to "Spiders"  "Mars"  "Anarchists"  "Arachnids" and "Steven DeVoy" is a joke you won't get unless you saw it develop from the begining...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Spider from Mars","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 00:29:57","modified":"2003-08-20 00:29:57","fileurl":""},{"id":77912,"heading":"It's interesting...","article":"...how many of my posts have been deleted.\r\n\r\nWhat are you afraid of, la-imc?\r\n\r\nLike I said before..."Free speech for me but not for thee."\r\n\r\nDeleting posts is rather fascist behaviour; you have to agree.","author":"mr wilson","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 07:58:27","modified":"2003-08-20 07:58:27","fileurl":""},{"id":77917,"heading":"come on now with your "conspiracy" theories","article":"DOnt be so paranoid.\r\nPlease list relevant data showing where you were deleted.\r\nohhhh its a vast left wing conspiracy to censor "mr wilson" because he is such a threat\r\n hahahahha\r\nROFL\r\n\r\npriceless","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 08:17:21","modified":"2003-08-20 08:17:21","fileurl":""},{"id":77920,"heading":"utterfailure","article":"No doubt posts of right-wingers have been deleted by the collective.  One only needs to look on the comments page to see who the last "author" was, and then click on and go to the bottom to see the author of the last posting is not the same.\r\n\r\nIMC collectives do that routinely to erase items which shine the light of truth on their make-believe world.","author":"name withheld","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 09:24:44","modified":"2003-08-20 09:24:44","fileurl":""},{"id":77927,"heading":"captain! captain!","article":"right wing lunicy to the port side; hard left.\noooo, a nasty one, for sure.","author":"Upper Birth","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 11:48:20","modified":"2003-08-20 11:48:20","fileurl":""},{"id":77936,"heading":"Upper Birth","article":"----> right wing lunicy \r\n\r\nNo such animal.  Now get back to swabbing the deck, sailor.","author":"Captain","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 12:24:24","modified":"2003-08-20 12:24:24","fileurl":""},{"id":77985,"heading":"Sanitized for your Protection","article":"Attention unwashed masses we will protect you from all unauthorized thoughts. \r\nWe know what is best for you.\r\nLet us do your thinking for you.\r\n\r\n","author":"Sanitized for your Protection","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 15:51:32","modified":"2003-08-20 15:51:32","fileurl":""},{"id":77993,"heading":"uttterfailure","article":"Stasis\r\nby mr wilson \u2022 Sunday August 17, 2003 05:55 AM\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWere you there? \r\n\r\nNo? \r\n\r\nThen why are you assuming so many things? \r\n\r\nOh...you've already made up your mind. I see. \r\n\r\nI like this little gem: \r\n"...but the claim that he lunged at the police officers could easily have been the product of what seemed to Officer Andrade to be a tense and potentially dangerous situation." \r\nEither he lunged ot he didn't. It's difficult to confuse a lunge with a knife with a non-lunge. \r\n\r\nAnd this: \r\n"Even if Yousef had been attempting to harm the police officers, pepper spray or billy clubs would have been sufficient to neutralize the threat, and is a much more appropriate response to the possible but unconfirmed threat of a man answering his door while holding a knife around dinner time." \r\nSo...the officers are supposed to holster their drawn weapons and bust out the pepper spray and billy clubs while Yousef is mid-lunge? Sure. You try that sometime. \r\n\r\nYousef would still be alive had the event gone like this: \r\nKnock, knock. "LAPD! Open up!" \r\n\r\nYousef thinks, "Holy crap! The cops! I'd better but down this knife!" He does, and opens the door. \r\n\r\nAndrade: "Are you Yousef Mollah? Sir, we need to take you downtown for questioning." \r\n\r\nSee how simple that would have been? But no...he had to go and do something stupid...hold a knife while opening the door to the cops. \r\n\r\nThat is not survival-oriented behaviour.\r\n\r\n\r\nadd your comments\r\n\r\n****There ya go, utterfailure.  This was on the PHOTOS: Justice for Yousuf Mollah! thread.  Now, would you like to admit the truth that la-imc deletes posts that don't kiss the kollektive's butt, or are you going to reamin stupid and ignorant?\r\n\r\nI'm guessing the latter.","author":"tpfkamw","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 16:18:10","modified":"2013-11-11 00:25:01","fileurl":""},{"id":78031,"heading":"liar liar","article":"Delusions of grandeur.\r\nLooks like the right wingers have finally gone over the edge.\r\nYour little quote offers no proof at all.\r\nHELP ME I'M BEING CENSORED AT INDYMEDIA!!\r\nROFL.\r\nYou're right it's a hugh left wing conspiracy.\r\nDesigned to quiet the threat to the free world.\r\nps\r\nI think that there may be communist martians running the board at Indymedia bent on overthrowing america\r\n\r\nPRICELESS!!!!!\r\ni gotta save this one....","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 19:25:44","modified":"2003-08-20 19:25:44","fileurl":""},{"id":78038,"heading":"utterfailure","article":"Yep, I was right...you went for stupid and ignorant.\r\n\r\nHowever, all is not lost...ignorance is curable.\r\n\r\nSadly, stupidlity is not.","author":"tpfkamw","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-20 20:25:14","modified":"2003-08-20 20:25:14","fileurl":""},{"id":78821,"heading":"iSN'T BUSH A JEW?","article":"ISNT BUSH A JEW TOO?\r\n","author":"mARTIN STEWART","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 06:27:10","modified":"2003-08-26 06:27:10","fileurl":""},{"id":78822,"heading":"iSN'T BUSH A JEW?","article":"ISNT BUSH A JEW TOO?\r\n","author":"mARTIN STEWART","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 06:27:10","modified":"2003-08-26 06:27:10","fileurl":""},{"id":78823,"heading":"iSN'T BUSH A JEW?","article":"ISNT BUSH A JEW TOO?\r\n","author":"mARTIN STEWART","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 06:27:12","modified":"2003-08-26 06:27:12","fileurl":""},{"id":78838,"heading":"tpfkamw","article":""Sadly, stupidlity is not."\r\n\r\nAre you conservatives making up words again? Don't you know that your gibberish must be cleared by Dubbya first? Idiot.\r\n\r\n","author":"Funk & Wagnall","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 10:06:06","modified":"2003-08-26 10:06:06","fileurl":""},{"id":78844,"heading":"re:  comments by Funk & Wagnall","article":""Are you conservatives making up words again? Don't you know that your gibberish must be cleared by Dubbya first? Idiot."\r\n\r\nIt is this type of rhetoric that will turn off the working class from listening to our message.  It reflects upon the movement as a whole, making it appear very immature.  Until this type of behavior is abated, those who do such things will continue to be a running sore on the face of those of us active in the struggle.","author":"No. Calif.","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 10:28:55","modified":"2003-08-26 10:28:55","fileurl":""},{"id":78849,"heading":"^","article":"Bend over, assclown.","author":"tpfkamw","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-26 10:39:25","modified":"2003-08-26 10:39:25","fileurl":""},{"id":81226,"heading":"HAARP Caused Blackout","article":"HAARP Blackout   http:\/\/www.bariumblues.com\/haarpblack2.htm       \r\n\r\nHello -- We at Bariumblues.com have received a Linux pdf from someone asserting that he is an ionospheric researcher who has worked with HAARP.  He says that HAARP most likely created the blackout.  We have transcribed the pdf into html to make it more accessible.  The paper is short and convincing.  We thought you might want to know about this.  \u2013 Lydia Mancini\r\n","author":"Lydia Mancini","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 14:13:42","modified":"2013-11-11 00:25:37","fileurl":""},{"id":81280,"heading":"What if...","article":"...a grasshopper farted on a mountain top in Colorado.\r\n\r\nWould it cause an earthquake in California?","author":"Stuart Smaly","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 21:52:34","modified":"2003-09-07 21:52:34","fileurl":""},{"id":81281,"heading":"What if...","article":"a grasshopper farted on a mountain top in Georgia.\r\n\r\nWhy, that might cause an earthquake in California!\r\n\r\nMoma says a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon can cause a typhoon in Indonesia.\r\n\r\nYep, It's fact.\r\n\r\nStupid is as stupid does.","author":"Forest Gump","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 21:55:57","modified":"2003-09-07 21:55:57","fileurl":""},{"id":81282,"heading":"What if...","article":"a grasshopper farted on a mountain top in Georgia.\r\n\r\nWhy, that might cause an earthquake in California!\r\n\r\nMoma says a butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon can cause a typhoon in Indonesia.\r\n\r\nYep, It's fact.\r\n\r\nStupid is as stupid does.","author":"Forest Gump","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 21:58:40","modified":"2003-09-07 21:58:40","fileurl":""},{"id":81288,"heading":"interesting","article":"HAARP is a very high powered project at least ten years into  the development  at several stations.  It's all hush-hush you know. \nReally shouldn't talk about it\nbut\nhere's some links I've found ...interesting.\nhttp:\/\/www.nexusmagazine.com\/HAARP.html\nhttp:\/\/www.crystalinks.com\/haarp.html\n\nor just type into the search engine.[HAARP]\nResults 1 - 10 of about 25,100. Search took 0.91 seconds\n\nlots of yuks.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 22:15:37","modified":"2003-09-07 22:15:37","fileurl":""},{"id":81289,"heading":"all these different people outta nowhere","article":"> We at Bariumblues.com\r\n\r\nare flakes\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 22:16:53","modified":"2003-09-07 22:16:53","fileurl":""},{"id":81303,"heading":"I donno...","article":"looks like some significant energy injection  at switched intervals.\nAnd playing with harmonics just off of the peak of where ever the Q the field has at the time...and conditions were stable for tests....\nthey do have lots of power to play with.  It sounds like fun.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 22:59:21","modified":"2003-09-07 22:59:21","fileurl":""},{"id":81304,"heading":"I donno","article":"looks like some significant energy injection  at switched intervals.\n...and conditions were stable for tests....\nthey do have lots of power to play with.  It sounds like fun.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-07 23:01:27","modified":"2003-09-07 23:01:27","fileurl":""},{"id":81316,"heading":"But HARRP is cute too","article":"and  our money has been spent.\nhttp:\/\/www.haarp.alaska.edu\/haarp\/index1.html\nIt occurs to me that playing with the flux under a shifting solar wind near a magnetic shift era, is reckless. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-08 00:18:55","modified":"2003-09-08 00:18:55","fileurl":""},{"id":81323,"heading":"this is the best way I can describe it","article":"We've had extensive discussions on the main IMC where it was pointed out the sun does this constantly on a much larger scale, then when there's sunspots or magnetic storms it's thousands of times stronger, the effect is only on an extremely thin layer of charged particles above 99.8 % of the atmosphere in an "unfriendly" part of the outer reaches where more people call it space (it looks like space)\r\n\r\nSee there's several layers and this is just one of them - these only reflect radio waves..  The magnetic flux is concentrated at the poles but that's actually safer since the pole's tightly controlled pattern "keeps it in line".\r\n\r\nIf HAARP was even beginning to fuck with anything the first sign we'd see is compasses would start fluctuating, considering the frequency the needle would actually wiggle.\r\n\r\n(ELF)\r\n\r\nSince the earth only cares about substained static forces HAARP is expected to have *no effect* and is only a way to reflect radio signals further like the sun does at dusk & dawn..  It's just imitating that effect on a smaller narrower more controlled scale.  It's like shining a spotlight (well a really big floodlight, but still a spotlight) compared to the sun.  Shine the brightest searchlight you can find (2.5 million candlepower ?)in the sun and see how much brighter the sun is...  Yet at night this searchlight seems really bright..\r\n\r\nEven 1,000 of these searchlights in the sun do little...  That's the effect HAARP has on a long-term scale.\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex anon w\/ encryption","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-08 01:25:34","modified":"2003-09-08 01:25:34","fileurl":""},{"id":84015,"heading":"Live on your own garbage","article":"One of my favorite bumper stickers is "Why do people with closed minds always have to open their mouths." \r\nAnyone who is willing to blame environmentalist for the bureaucratic bullshit that we face as a country is an idiot. You should stop putting your garbage out to the street and start storing it in your house so that you get used to an environment filled with your own trash and you can live with it.  Since a clean environment isn't important to you should:\r\n1. Not Recycle and store bottles and cans in your house or yard whatever suits you.\r\n2. Don't throw your trash away just throw it on your floor this way no one has to deal with it but you.\r\n3. Every time you change your oil in your car just poor it into your bottle of spring water that you store in your fridge this way it doesn't affect anyone but you and your family.\r\n4. when you shit in the toilet don't flush it and don't throw your dirty toilet paper in the toilet.  Just leave it so that you can really say that there is no need for environmentalists because the only place that is being polluted is your own and that is truly your choice.\r\nUntil you are willing to deal completely with everything that is a product of you then you should accept the fact that environmentalists are very much needed.","author":"Enviromentalist","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-23 18:10:01","modified":"2003-09-23 18:10:01","fileurl":""},{"id":84019,"heading":"Environmentalist","article":"Tell you what Environmentalist, you do it.  I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing.  I'm not going to recycle, I'm going to throw my trash away just like I always have, it's my oil I purchased with my own money and I'll pour it wherever I want to, and I'll continue to flush whatever I want to down my own toilet that I paid for.  I don't care whether you like it or not.  Mind your own business.","author":"consumer","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-23 18:57:23","modified":"2003-09-23 18:57:23","fileurl":""},{"id":84159,"heading":"I don't get this cartoon","article":"It's not really funny and it doesn't make any sense. For one thing, there was no black-out on 9-11. Secondly, the black-out was not just in the USA (Toronto was without power for more than 30 hours). This Latuff guy is obviously an idiot.","author":"Laurence","parent_id":77208,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-24 09:39:04","modified":"2003-09-24 09:39:04","fileurl":""}]}