{"article":{"id":69949,"heading":"George, Would You PLEASE Shut Up!","author":"C\/O Diogenes","created":"2003-07-05 21:20:04","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:37","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:23:37","article":"

by W. David Jenkins III    July 4, 2003



All right already, that is more than enough! What the hell were you thinking? Were you thinking? Have you completely lost your mind? Is there anybody out there keeping an eye on you, kid? I really hate to rant but I just can't let this go.

July 2 - \"There are some who feel like that conditions are such that they can attack us there,\" Bush told reporters at the White House. \"My answer is bring them on. We have the force necessary to deal with the situation.\" - Reuters

July 3 - A day after President Bush asserted that coalition forces in Iraq were prepared to deal with any security threat; American troops came under attack again today, with 10 soldiers wounded in three separate incidents. - New York Times

George, the macho routine - and I do mean \"routine\" - has got to go. The fact that we have kids getting killed because you lied is a travesty in and of itself. Now, once again, you start up the he-man schtick and people start getting hurt - and worse. Haven't you or any of your people learned a damned thing?

\"Bring them on?\"

Exactly what is your problem?

Are you bothered by the fact that you were not man enough to actually serve when it was your turn? Are you making up for the fact that you couldn't even fulfill your cushy assignment back in the early '70s because you were a blooming mess and couldn't pass a urine test? What, now you feel the need to talk tough so nobody will question what an actual coward you are? You are a coward, George. We saw that long before 9\/11.

Your cowardice is the reason for what we now know as \"First Amendment Zones.\" You know those heavily policed, barricaded, way-out-of-the-way places for people who voice their accurate opinions of you. They're usually placed so far away from where you appear that you can be assured you'll never see or hear any dissent.

And we all know why.

Because you're afraid of confrontation in any form. You've been a scaredy-cat since you stole office! Hiding under canopies and limiting access by the press as well as those who abhor you and know you for the fake that you are. George W. Bush, you have given birth to a new phrase!

\"He-Man in Hiding!\"

We all learned - well, most of us did - what a pathetic excuse for a \"president\" you are when you did the old \"dead or alive\" nonsense when it came to Osama bin Laden. \"Smoke 'em out,\" you said. Mister big man.

Well, President Bounty Hunter, where the hell is he?

Hasn't it ever dawned on you that if you hadn't instructed people like John O'Neill to lay off investigating bin Laden prior to the attack, none of that 9\/11 stuff would have happened? Is that why you're hiding over 800 pages of the investigative report by the Senate?

So, Mister Dead-or-Alive…where the hell is Osama?

Oh, you thought we forgot?

Y'know, George, it takes more than just talk to make you a man. It takes more than just talk to make you a leader. Sure, you have the ever-obedient sheep in the liberal media who are stretching things to the max to make you look good. Lucky for you, most of the people who rely on American media for their information are idiots who actually think that that aircraft carrier landing was something to be admired. You need to remember one thing, George.

The world is not your Congress.

Just because most of the representatives in both Houses believed every lie you told doesn't make everybody else just as compliant. Just because the lap dogs at Fox \"News\" wet themselves every time they mention your name doesn't mean the rest of the world community - including many of us here at home - buy your carefully manufactured machismo. Your testosterone complex is trying our patience and - worst of all - killing people who have ten times more cajones than you could ever hope to have.

For Chrissakes, George, you didn't even have the balls (excuse me) to land in Iraq a few weeks ago. No, you did a fly-over. At least your puppy, Tony Blair, had it in him to walk among the people in Basra. But you? You pathetic chicken. You ran and hid like you did on 9\/11, Mr. Tough Guy. You are an embarrassment - and worst of all - you're a dangerous embarrassment. Your bravado is killing people.

\"Bring them on!\"

You pompous S.O.B. - you spoiled little chicken \"stuff\" brat. Please, please, please, shut your stupid mouth! Your cowardice is killing Americans. And Iraqis. Your big, stupid mouth is not helping the huge mess your lies have created! The world is not Old West Texas. You're not even Texas! Every time you open your big mouth either somebody gets killed or wounded or the stock market falls. Your big mouth just got ten people wounded! There's no telling what your oral nonsense will produce tomorrow.

Shut up, George! You're killing people, you coward!

*******

Hey guys, I don't know about you but I feel a heck of a lot better now - at least I can breathe. And breathing always allows me to be a little creative.

A few months ago, Americans were told to buy mass quantities of duct tape to protect themselves from those who would do them harm. I know there just have to be many, many rolls of duct tape out there that have gone un-used. And…

I have a great idea.

The next time George W. Bush decides it's time to get macho, somebody - please - oh please, grab a roll of that duct tape and wrap it around his whole head. You'll save a life and protect our national security.

It's the patriotic thing to do, the only thing to do.

Copyright 2001-2003 AmericaHeldHostile.com. All rights reserved.\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Are you sick of the Wussy in Chief yet? I know I am. According to David here I am not the only fed up with Gee Duhbya's Testosterone filled fantasies. Read on McDuff.","numcomment":45,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/07\/69949.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":69950,"heading":"I for one am fed up with...","article":"...the Wussy -in-Chief.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 21:21:01","modified":"2003-07-05 21:21:01","fileurl":""},{"id":69953,"heading":"President Wussy","article":"Bush is such a wuss! He sits there in his ivory tower like he received the majority of the votes cast by the electorial college or something and makes policy. Who does he think he is? It's time we take matters into our own hands. Let's sit down and talk about it.","author":"activist community","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 21:27:50","modified":"2003-07-05 21:27:50","fileurl":""},{"id":69956,"heading":"remember?","article":"Bush isn't the real president (unelected, of course) as I\r\nrecall, he wasn't the one who was taken down into a secure\r\nlocation durring the false flag 9-11 event, it was Chainhead. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 21:30:37","modified":"2003-07-05 21:30:37","fileurl":""},{"id":69959,"heading":"I agree","article":"We need to take action!! Let's sit down and discuss it.","author":"activist community","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 21:32:23","modified":"2003-07-05 21:32:23","fileurl":""},{"id":69965,"heading":"circle didn't work, did it?","article":"And yes we are talking about it. Also making sure we have plenty of ammo and other items of interest. Talking is the first step. But we aren't limited to the mail for our\r\n'letters of correspondence' \r\nAre you impatient or something? In martial arts it is the\r\none who commits the first move who is at a disadvantage.\r\nHe has already involved his momentum opening a response at\r\nmany levels. Your move.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 21:48:02","modified":"2003-07-05 21:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":70255,"heading":"Bush has more balls than you pansies","article":"As i recall, you guys have been the ones protesting at home, while all the real Americans have done the dirty work. Its sad that you use the deaths of American soldiers to try and prove your point that Bush is the new Hitler. Why dont you pussies ever fight wars? HUH? HUH? Gotta run off to Canada? While Clinton was bombing Iraqi medicine facilities, giving nuclear technology to the North Koreans and letting Osama get away when he had 3 chances to take him out, you bitches were all silent. The fact that Bush takes on evil governments and terrorists instead of letting them kill millions of their own people makes him much braver than you hypocrites. Why dont you guys plan out your next protest at your circle jerk parties against our "illegal" president. (Electoral college, motherf u c k ing retards, read your government books)","author":"Bush has more balls than you pansies","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-07 06:14:04","modified":"2003-07-07 06:14:04","fileurl":""},{"id":70261,"heading":"Bush testicles","article":"You can tell a conservative is out of arguments when he ressorts to righteous indignation and profanity.\r\nThe above posting is a good example.","author":"Ziegler","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-07 10:18:09","modified":"2003-07-07 10:18:09","fileurl":""},{"id":70265,"heading":"To the nitwit hung up on Balls.","article":"What a new and interesting theory. The rightness of a policy is measured by the number of Dead GI\u2019s. How \u201cmodern thinking\u201d does improve things.\r\nOh, and while he doesn\u2019t go out his way to brag about it Sheepdog IS a Combat Veteran. I am a Veteran. A fair number of the people who come here to Post from time to time ARE Veterans.\r\nBecause somebody has been put in a position where they can order OTHER PEOPLE to go fight and die does not make them a MAN. Bush is a Deserter. He could not even complete a term of service in a Unit Reserved for Rich Texas Boys whose Daddy had enough money and pull to get them into it. Talk is cheap and Bush has a lot of talk but when the Rubber hit the Road he was over the other side of the Mountain hiding in the Tall Grass.\r\nStarting a series of corruptly based wars, sold on lies, does not make Duhbya a man. No matter how people are killed because of his Sociopathic tendencies that fact will not change.\r\nWhine all you want but facts are facts.\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED AND PEOPLE DIED, BUT NEITHER HE NOR HIS CRONIES, NOR ANY OF THEIR KIDS DID ANY OF THE DYING.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-07 12:16:32","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:41","fileurl":""},{"id":70881,"heading":"The Wimp Factor","article":"President Bush really has a talent for provoking Democrats to do ridiculous things. Last Wednesday, in an impromptu White House press conference, a reporter asked the president about the guerrilla attacks against American servicemen in Iraq. Here's what the president said, according to the White House transcript:\r\n\r\nThere are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they're talking about, if that's the case. . . . There are some who feel like--that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/news\/releases\/2003\/07\/20030702-3.html\r\n\r\nThe Washington Post reports that Bush's "bring 'em on" remark prompted much whimpering from Democrats. "I am shaking my head in disbelief," said New Jersey's former former senator Frank Lautenberg, who by the way served in the Army in Europe during World War II. "When I served in the Army in Europe during World War II, I never heard any military commander--let alone the commander in chief--invite enemies to attack U.S. troops." Lautenberg added that Bush's comment was "tantamount to inciting and inviting more attacks against U.S. forces."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/articles\/A1617-2003Jul2.html\r\n\r\nDemocratic presidential candidates got into the action too. The Post quotes Dick Gephardt as saying he's had "enough of the phony, macho rhetoric." Howard Dean complains that Bush "showed tremendous insensitivity to the dangers" the troops face. And the Washington Times quotes John Kerry, the haughty, French-looking Massachusetts Democrat, who by the way served in Vietnam, as calling Bush's remark "unwise" and "unworthy of the office."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.washtimes.com\/upi-breaking\/20030704-092507-7742r.htm\r\n\r\nFor crying out loud, these guys want to be president, and they're puling about "macho rhetoric" as if they were candidates for the chairmanship of some university women's studies department. What would President Kerry say if he were in Bush's position? OH MY, YOU'RE HURTING OUR SOLDIERS. PLEASE STOP! PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP?\r\n\r\nYou don't defeat an enemy by putting your sensitive, vulnerable, nurturing side on display. And a little swagger is essential to the warrior culture. Consider this anecdote, from a Time magazine account of besieged Marines in World War II:\r\n\r\nFrom the little band of professionals on Wake Island came an impudently defiant message phrased for history. Wake's Marines were asked by radio what they needed. The answer made old Marines' chests grow under their campaign bars: "Send us more Japs."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.time.com\/time\/sampler\/article\/0,8599,128081-2,00.html\r\n\r\nThis quote turns out to be apocryphal; James Devereux, the Marine officer who sent the message, would later explain that it was garbled. But as David H. Lippman notes, "The propaganda story boost[ed] American morale back home and Marine recruiting." If today's Democrats were around in 1941, no doubt they'd be tut-tutting about Devereux's insensitivity to Asians as well as his machismo.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.usswashington.com\/dl13de41.htm\r\n\r\nBesides, David Warren notes that there's a very good reason to want to "bring them on" in Iraq:\r\n\r\nWhile engaged in the very difficult business of building a democracy in Iraq--the first democracy, should it succeed, in the entire history of the Arabs--President Bush has also, quite consciously to my information, created a new playground for the enemy, away from Israel, and even farther away from the United States itself. By the very act of proving this lower ground, he drains terrorist resources from other swamps.\r\n\r\nThis is the meaning of Mr. Bush's "bring 'em on" taunt. . . . It should have been obvious that no U.S. President actually relishes having his soldiers take casualties. What the media and U.S. Democrats affect not to grasp, is that the soldiers are now replacing targets that otherwise would be provided by defenceless civilians, both in Iraq and at large. The sore thumb of the U.S. occupation--and it is a sore thumb equally to Baathists and Islamists, compelling their response--is not a mistake. It is carefully hung flypaper.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.davidwarrenonline.com\/Comment\/Jul03\/index150.shtml\r\n\r\nFlypaper, i would add, that seems to have entrapped the president's domestic opponents as well as the country's foreign enemies.\r\n","author":"Ffutal","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-09 11:51:03","modified":"2003-07-09 11:51:03","fileurl":""},{"id":70883,"heading":"BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!","article":""There are some who feel like that if they attack us that we may decide to leave prematurely. They don't understand what they're talking about, if that's the case. . . . There are some who feel like--that the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation."\r\n\r\nBring it on baby! Don't hide under your rocks and peck away like little sissie cowards. Don't hijack planes and kill innocent women and children like cowardly terrorists or homocide bombers.\r\n\r\nIf you believe in you mantras enough to kill or die, then stand up an be counted. Let us know who you are.\r\n\r\nIn short, BRING IT.\r\n\r\nYou better believe the troops are saying the exact same thing. BRING IT.\r\n\r\nAmericans are NOT scared. We refuse to live in fear. We refuse to be terrified. That's why we are the greatest nation of people that ever was and and ever will be. \r\n\r\nJust like Sean Connery said in "The Untouchables":\r\n\r\n"What are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they're not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead."\r\n\r\n"eliot ness: how do you do it then? "\r\n\r\n"you wanna know how you do it? Here's how:\r\n\r\nThey pull a knife, you pull a gun. \r\n\r\nThey sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue! That's the chicago way! \r\n\r\nAnd that's how you get Capone!"\r\n\r\nAnd that's how you get murdering cowardly terrorists too.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-09 12:23:11","modified":"2003-07-09 12:23:11","fileurl":""},{"id":70896,"heading":"The point isn't do our guys, or us for that matter, have...","article":"...fighting spirit. The question is what the hell are we doing in Iraq?\r\n\r\nThere are no WMD\u2122.\r\n\r\nBush knew there were none when he ordered our guys into Combat.\r\n\r\nNow he's shooting of his cowardly deserter yap saying "bring em' on". Yeah like he's going to personally put his quivering yella' ass on the line? Get real.\r\n\r\nBush Lied.\r\n\r\nBush is a cowardly deserter.\r\n\r\nBetter men than he will ever be are now dying because he lied.\r\nThis is not Rocket Science.\r\n\r\nThis War had nothing to do with Terrorism and everything to do with OIL, Crony Construction Contracts, and Power. Nothing else.\r\n\r\nThere is nothing Noble about what Bush did or is ordering our GI's to do.\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AS A RESULT THOUSANDS DIED. Anyone want to try for Millions?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-09 13:40:17","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:44","fileurl":""},{"id":70900,"heading":"BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ","article":"Diogenes <------- like a fly to flypaper\r\n\r\nfly\r\nfly going nowhere\r\nfly stuck on flypaper","author":"fly","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-09 13:50:04","modified":"2003-07-09 13:50:04","fileurl":""},{"id":70902,"heading":""What are we doing in Iraq?"","article":"I think we're in Iraq mostly to make a point. That point being:\r\n\r\nIf you pull a knife, we'll pull a gun. If you put three thousand of ours in the morgue, we'll "Shock & Awe\u2122" your ass. That's the "American" way.\r\n\r\nNow you guys will start in with your "Iraq wasn't involved in 911" mantras and your "there's no proof Arabs flew those planes" blather.\r\n\r\nGo right ahead. I don't believe your conspiracy theories. I believe radical islamic fundamentalists attacked my country. Bombing the hell out of dirt piles and jungle gyms in Afghanistan just doesn't do it for me. It didn't do it for most Americans either.\r\n\r\nSaddam was a good scapegoat to vent a lot of frustration on. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-09 14:00:11","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:44","fileurl":""},{"id":70979,"heading":"That Saddam was a vile and despicable...","article":"...excuse for a human being is not the point.\r\n\r\nWhy should we expend American Lives and Treasure to remove a Tinhorn Despot who represented no threat to the United States?\r\n\r\nWhat would you tell the dead GI's Parents?\r\n\r\n"I would like you to know your son's death is irrelevant cause we just had to go kill some Ayrabs so we would feel better about 911."\r\n\r\nWhy should we go destroy another country, killing thousands of people who had done us no harm, to take out one tinhorn despot who was no threat to the United States?\r\n\r\nGot OIL?\r\n\r\nAs for your comment on the perpetrators of the 911 Attack you are welcome to believe anything you want - even the tail on a Donkey. That does not make it true.\r\n\r\nThere is NO evidence conclusively linking either Osama, or any Arab for that matter, to the attack on 911.\r\n\r\nYou may believe in the Official Conspiracy Theory all you wish.\r\n\r\nPointing your gun at the wrong target means the actual perpetrators go scot free. Is that what you want?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 01:16:16","modified":"2003-07-10 01:16:16","fileurl":""},{"id":71034,"heading":"Obfuscation without representation.","article":"You’re exactly correct. The point wasn’t that Hussein was a bad, bad man. That was just an excuse to kick his rump, more than anything. \r\n\r\nThe point IS that AMERICANS ARE collectively MAD AS HELL after 911, AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. Isn’t that what you hippies always used to say?\r\n\r\nAnd what would I tell the dead GI’s parents? The truth, of course. That their son died nobly and in serving a valiant cause. He’s was a patriot and a hero. And those of us that are like him regret only that we have but one life to give for our country.\r\n\r\nAnd YOUR view is that Hussein was innocuous? That he’s never done us ANY harm? \r\n\r\nWho exactly is the US to which you are referring? \r\n\r\nThe man has started three wars, gassed thousands of Kurds, committed genocide, filled mass graves with women and children, AND YOU claim he is harmless. \r\n\r\nYOU don’t think it’s a worthy enough cause to give YOUR life to remove that sick autocratic tyrant from EVER having the ability to carry out another atrocity! \r\n\r\nWhat is wrong with YOU? Do you not have a soul? \r\n\r\nYou are selfish, self-centered, misguided SOB.\r\n\r\nAnd your 911 conspiracy theories are the reason there is a predominant lack of substantive debate on this issue around here. \r\n\r\nWhen you premise your arguments on prevarication and degeneration there is really very little of substance left to debate. \r\n\r\nIn fact, that’s the whole problem with attempting to engage liberals in cogent dialogue of any kind. We end up conceding a vast majority of lies just so we can address the ones of Holocaust-denial proportions.\r\n\r\nIt’s really a mess.\r\n","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 10:12:59","modified":"2003-07-10 10:12:59","fileurl":""},{"id":71138,"heading":"Irrational Burbling by an Angry Little Boy","article":"Eric I don't quite know how to respond. You are throwing a temper tantrum and are busily trying to avoid looking at things honestly. Why, I won't presume to guess.\r\nHowever, since you want to be nasty about it I have taken off the gloves. I am trying to avoid being too insulting but I am not going to pull my punches - much.\r\n\r\n\u201cYou\u2019re exactly correct. The point wasn\u2019t that Hussein was a bad, bad man. That was just an excuse to kick his rump, more than anything.\u201d\r\n\r\nAnd your point? Here\u2019s your Chute, here\u2019s your gun, now do it at your own expense and exercise your irrational macho fantasies at the expense of your own life not someone else\u2019s.\r\n \r\n\u201cThe point IS that AMERICANS ARE collectively MAD AS HELL after 911, AND WE\u2019RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. Isn\u2019t that what you hippies always used to say? \u201c\r\n\r\nThe quote comes out of the Movie \u201cNetwork\u201d. You should watch it sometime it is actually a pretty good flick.\r\n\r\nAs for being mad about 911. To be angry is the correct response. However from there on you ramble off into complete irrationality.\r\nExample:\r\nA commits a Murder by killing B.\r\nTherefore the correct response is to hang C?\r\n\r\nThat is what your argument works out to.\r\n\r\nI would LOVE to see the actual perpetrators of 911 swinging from the \u201cOld Oak Tree\u201d by the Village Smithy\u2019s Shop. That does not mean I am going to be stampeded off and hang the first person I run into because it would make me feel better to kill someone.\r\nUnlike you I am interested in Justice. Justice means you identify and handle the correct target. You don\u2019t bomb London because Germany is attacking Poland.\r\nIt is by no means settled that Muslim Arabs committed the atrocity of 911. It is just as plausible, based on available evidence, to conclude that it might have been another Israeli False Flag Operation designed to get the U.S. to take out their target for them. They did it once before with Libya. Another would have been the Lavon Affair. Do a Google on that.\r\nHere\u2019s One Link - The Lavon Affair:http:\/\/www.whatreallyhappened.com\/lavon.html\r\nAnother: http:\/\/www.geocities.com\/CapitolHill\/Senate\/7891\/lavon_hirst.html\r\nAnd Another: http:\/\/www.intellex.com\/~rigs\/page1\/lavon.htm\r\n\r\nHere are some others that bear on the issue:\r\n\r\nThe Dancing Israeli\u2019s: http:\/\/www.whatreallyhappened.com\/fiveisraelis.html\r\nHistorical Precedents for Deception: http:\/\/www.whatreallyhappened.com\/lindex3.html\r\n\r\nAnd what would I tell the dead GI\u2019s parents? The truth, of course. That their son died nobly and in serving a valiant cause. He\u2019s was a patriot and a hero. And those of us that are like him regret only that we have but one life to give for our country. \r\n\r\nWhat valiant cause would that be? The securing of the Southern Oil Fields in Iraq? That was the first Military Objective in Duhbya\u2019s Big Iraq Attack. I won\u2019t dispute that our guys in Uniform are Patriotic. I will not extend that assumption to a deserter and a Coward who sends them off to die so that he can look macho and acquire more money and power.\r\nOf course your response is much more palatable than \u201cYour son died so I could feel Macho and George Bush and the Carlyle Group could make a Killing\u201d.\r\n\r\n\u201cAnd YOUR view is that Hussein was innocuous? That he\u2019s never done us ANY harm? \r\n\r\nWho exactly is the US to which you are referring? \u201c\r\n\r\nPlease Cite any attack against American Interests or Citizens that can be attributed to Hussein. Cite the evidence proving such.\r\nYour question is nice and inflammatory but \u201cwhere\u2019s the beef\u201d?\r\n\r\n\u201cThe man has started three wars, gassed thousands of Kurds, committed genocide, filled mass graves with women and children, AND YOU claim he is harmless. \u201c\r\n\r\nA. I did not say he was harmless. I implied that there was no American National Interest involved. Certainly the Fed did not want him to finish converting to Euros as his Oil Currency and American Oil Interests want CONTROL of the Iraqi Reserves. (Note that the Iraqi Oil Ministry Building and Records were put under Guard while the U.S. Command allowed the Iraqi National Museum to be Looted.)\r\n\r\nB. He did not Gas the Kurds. That has been disproven so many times that I cannot believe you still believe that piece of disinformation. If you do there is only one word that applies: Sucker.\r\n\r\nC. The Mass Graves were those of Shiite Rebels who rose up in Rebellion, at the behest George Bush I - who then provided NO SUPPORT allowing them to be slaughtered. They were mostly ADULT MEN. Other bodies falsely Cited as evidence of Mass Murder were those of IRANIAN Soldiers KILLED IN COMBAT with Iraqi Forces in the Iraq-Iran War. You are just furthering provably false PsyOps and Disinformation when you use that inflammatory line. It might work on someone who has not studied the actual reports and available data in the Public Domain but I will name it for what it is: BullShit.\r\n\r\n\u201cYOU don\u2019t think it\u2019s a worthy enough cause to give YOUR life to remove that sick autocratic tyrant from EVER having the ability to carry out another atrocity! \u201c\r\n\r\nDepends. Give me a realistic scenario and I will respond. I despise tyrants and I am not arguing Saddam did not need to be deposed. That however, is not the rationale upon which the Deserter-in-Chief sold this War.\r\n\r\n\u201cWhat is wrong with YOU? Do you not have a soul? \r\n\r\nYou are selfish, self-centered, misguided SOB.\u201d\r\n\r\nWhy do you say that? Because I am opposed to Phony Wars sold with Phony Rationales so that a bunch of already Wealthy Psychopaths can acquire even more money and power? What a strange world that you live in that you think that killing innocent people somehow makes the World a safer place. Your rationale is not even close to Sanity. \r\n\r\n\u201cAnd your 911 conspiracy theories are the reason there is a predominant lack of substantive debate on this issue around here. \u201c\r\n\r\nSo, who did it based on What?\r\n\r\n\u201cWhen you premise your arguments on prevarication and degeneration there is really very little of substance left to debate. \u201c\r\n\r\nCite your references ASSHOLE. You are the one engaging in a LIE when you make this claim. You are so afraid of facing the truth that you have been had, continue to be had and don\u2019t want to have to, like a MAN, face up to the harsh realities involved. I DON\u2019T GIVE A GODDAMN how good you are at Combat Skills, you aren\u2019t the only one, but that does not you have to go out and start committing mayhem at random to make yourself feel like a man. A real Man finds the correct target and does what is necessary. That may or may not require force. And you don\u2019t shrink away from where the FACTS take you no matter how much you would prefer it to be otherwise.\r\n\r\n\u201cIn fact, that\u2019s the whole problem with attempting to engage liberals in cogent dialogue of any kind. We end up conceding a vast majority of lies just so we can address the ones of Holocaust-denial proportions. \r\n\r\nIt\u2019s really a mess. \u201c\r\n\r\nBabbling to the end you cite nothing of any substance and just call names like an angry little boy who is tired of being reminded that it is time to grow up and face the real world beyond the playground.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 15:06:36","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:48","fileurl":""},{"id":71164,"heading":"Don't do it","article":"stop pouting. Eric and be a good sport. I know you can do it.","author":"Mr. HAR","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 16:42:22","modified":"2003-07-10 16:42:22","fileurl":""},{"id":71174,"heading":"I'm still waiting for the plan from mein fuhrer.","article":"Where is Mein Furher when I need him most. I simply can not live with all of these attrocities committed by GWB yet another minute.\r\n\r\nWhen do we begin the insurgency?","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 16:59:17","modified":"2003-07-10 16:59:17","fileurl":""},{"id":71175,"heading":"When do we begin the insurgency?","article":"The insurgency started years ago. We have advanced so far since those early days that even we can hardly fathom it. We are trillions strong and we have the knowledge and the wherewithall to take back our lives from the evil wicked corporations which have hept their boots on our necks for way too long. Our day is here! NOW is the time to act! Let's sit around and talk about it.","author":"activist community","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 17:10:04","modified":"2003-07-10 17:10:04","fileurl":""},{"id":71176,"heading":"^","article":"I love that guy!","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 17:11:40","modified":"2003-07-10 17:11:40","fileurl":""},{"id":71199,"heading":"you should","article":"he's in your employ","author":"Eric's devil","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 18:32:15","modified":"2003-07-10 18:32:15","fileurl":""},{"id":71202,"heading":"We work alone!","article":"Our only allegiance is to people like us, the working-class people. Should you feel differently, that is your perogative. Let's sit down and talk about it. Then, we can go out and hit the bong.","author":"activist community","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 19:00:20","modified":"2003-07-10 19:00:20","fileurl":""},{"id":71207,"heading":"That's fine Airic...","article":"And someday when you remove your head from your ass you just might find out that a Foreign Policy of "Kill Them All and let God sort them out" just results in the deaths of a lot of innocent people and does nothing to handle the problem.\r\n\r\nYou are Welcome to continue to be a Sucker.\r\n\r\nYou are welcome to be an asshole. Afterall you play the part very well.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 19:11:29","modified":"2003-07-10 19:11:29","fileurl":""},{"id":71212,"heading":"sphere","article":""...that a Foreign Policy of "Kill Them All and let God sort them out" just results in the deaths of a lot of innocent people and does nothing to handle the problem."\r\n\r\ncircle\r\ncircle going nowhere\r\ncircle stuck in neutral","author":"circle","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 19:15:57","modified":"2003-07-10 19:15:57","fileurl":""},{"id":71230,"heading":"As for you Circle Jerk...","article":"... as we used to say during my Service Days: FOAD.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 21:30:21","modified":"2003-07-10 21:30:21","fileurl":""},{"id":71233,"heading":"Our foreign policy of kill them all (as you put it)...","article":"Has made us the most powerful and influential country on the face of this Earth.\r\n\r\nWe won WW1 with it. We nuked Japan with it. We crushed the Nazis with it. We took Korea with it. We freed Kuwait, Afghanistan, and most recently Iraq with it. As far as I can tell, no country on this planet can tell us shit. And I like it that way. Every country on this planet that has a significant history, has a history of authoritarianism or a history of strict control of global assets whether that be economic control or brute force.\r\n\r\nBottom line: You can't name a country or a government with clean hands. Neither now, nor in the past. Period.\r\n\r\nYou're pissing into the wind with that argument. Would you rather be on the receiving end? I prefer to be the ones dishing it out. I think the USA has a history of being fare about it. We didn't keep Japan, Korea, Germany, Panama, Grenada, El Salvador, Bosnia, Afghanistan etc. after we took control of those places. We've always returned those nations to their respective citizenries. We've no history of Imperialism. Just because we keep the globe under our thumbs economically, doesn't make us evil. It makes us smart. If those nations could do it to us, they would.\r\n\r\nBelieve it.","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 21:49:47","modified":"2003-07-10 21:49:47","fileurl":""},{"id":71234,"heading":"and furthermore...","article":"Why am I the asshole because I believe that freeing Iraq and deposing a dictator\/murderer is a good thing.\r\n\r\nYou think we should have just ignored the plight of the Iraqis. You function under some sort of dementia that allows you to claim that Hussein didn't gas his own people. You think, for some strange reason, that all those dead bodies, were Iranians and enemies of the state or religious adversaries, and for some reason that makes it all okay that they were killed and bulldozed over. You think Kuwait was "slant-drilling" Iraqi oil (regardless of how ridiculous that sounds) and that somehow granted Hussein permission to march in there and take it over. And of course, had Kuwait been left to the wolf, it shouldn't make a difference to America, as this wasn't one of OUR assets and we had no vested interests. \r\n\r\nAll of that, and I'M the asshole.\r\n\r\nRight.","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:00:59","modified":"2003-07-10 22:00:59","fileurl":""},{"id":71239,"heading":"hypocrite","article":"Thats right Im a hypocrite.\r\nI am a bleeding heart liberal actually.\r\nNo?\r\n"please help me save those poor Iraqis"\r\nWe need to spend more money freeing all these unfortunate people thorught the world.\r\nDrive up the budget as high as possible.\r\nWhat?\r\nUse the money to help americans?\r\nAre you kidding me?\r\nWelfare and government programs are only to be used for FORIEGN countries, not for america.\r\nIf your an american, you can expect trashy schools, no health care, and no social security.\r\nIf your an Iraqi....HELL YES!!!!\r\nYa see, i am an asshole and a hypocrate.","author":"eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:16:35","modified":"2003-07-10 22:16:35","fileurl":""},{"id":71243,"heading":"eric (imposter)","article":"(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)\r\nOrganize!\r\nOrganize!\r\n\r\n(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)\r\n\r\n","author":"debate coach","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:20:26","modified":"2003-07-10 22:20:26","fileurl":""},{"id":71244,"heading":"capital E","article":"get it right bitch.","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:21:39","modified":"2003-07-10 22:21:39","fileurl":""},{"id":71247,"heading":"eric=debate coach","article":"These two signatures are coming from the same I.P.","author":"LA IMC","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:25:08","modified":"2003-07-10 22:25:08","fileurl":""},{"id":71248,"heading":"(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)","article":""As for you Circle Jerk as we used to say during my Service Days: FOAD."\r\n\r\nOrganize!\r\nOrganize!\r\n(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)\r\n","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:25:24","modified":"2003-07-10 22:25:24","fileurl":""},{"id":71251,"heading":"sphere","article":""These two signatures are coming from the same I.P."\r\n\r\ncircle\r\ncirlce going nowhere\r\ncircle stuck in neutral","author":"circle","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:27:37","modified":"2003-07-10 22:27:37","fileurl":""},{"id":71257,"heading":"circle=eric=debate coach","article":"The above post is also coming from the "eric""debatecoach" I.P.","author":"LA IMC","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:34:24","modified":"2003-07-10 22:34:24","fileurl":""},{"id":71260,"heading":"^","article":"But I'm about as bright as a bag of hammers, so what do I know.","author":"LA IMC","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-10 22:36:38","modified":"2003-07-10 22:36:38","fileurl":""},{"id":71304,"heading":"The question is...","article":"...where at in Langely is the IP located?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-11 02:14:46","modified":"2003-07-11 02:14:46","fileurl":""},{"id":71370,"heading":"up early for us, Eric","article":"Good mornin' Eric.\r\nYou stationed at this board now eh?","author":"West Coast [operation ground Zero ]","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-11 12:14:38","modified":"2003-07-11 12:14:38","fileurl":""},{"id":72311,"heading":"Eric is an Asshole","article":"Eric is an Asshole.\r\n\r\nAnd so is his other names: freca, Circle, activist community.\r\n\r\nAny way you circle it it still comes up Asshole.","author":"Eric is an Asshole","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-14 00:53:14","modified":"2003-07-14 00:53:14","fileurl":""},{"id":72314,"heading":"Isn't it funny.","article":"How liberals like to keep themselves personally separated from the discussion, and then call you names. Like it really bothers you. I think Ann Coulter talked about this tactic in her book 'Slander'.\r\n\r\nYep. I'm an a-hole. So are all my other personalities. That's the ticket.","author":"Eric","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-14 00:59:05","modified":"2003-07-14 00:59:05","fileurl":""},{"id":72316,"heading":"Actually it isn't funny.","article":"I do hope you recover Eric. The World truly is a Wonderful place.\r\n\r\nPeace.","author":"Actually it is sad.","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-14 01:06:08","modified":"2003-07-14 01:06:08","fileurl":""},{"id":72349,"heading":"It's all right Airic...","article":"...really it is.\r\n\r\nNow just relax. Think of pretty Butterflies.\r\n\r\nSee, isn't that more restful?\r\n\r\nNow think of a field full of Daisies.\r\n\r\nIsn't that relaxing?\r\n\r\nThink of a clear pool of still water, the tinkling of a tiny Stream.\r\n\r\nStill, and calm.\r\n\r\nSerene.\r\n\r\nPeace.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":69949,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-14 02:10:27","modified":"2003-07-14 02:10:27","fileurl":""}]}