{"article":{"id":66274,"heading":"911 HIGH TREASON!!","author":"Brian Downing Quig","created":"2003-06-22 22:26:07","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:16","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:23:16","article":"

911 HIGH TREASON!!

by Brian Downing Quig  quig@dcia.com<\/a>

 

After turning on my TV to see the burning tower after the first plane hit the WORLD TRADE CENTER my attention was arrested like all others. When the second plane hit the second tower I said to myself WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?  When the 3rd hijacked plane hit the PENTAGON, the first witnesses reported the \"plane circled the PENTAGON in a sharply banked 270 degree turn that was distinctly different than any

commercial plane and more like a military plane\" and bypassed a straight in shot at the offices of the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF only to hit an insignificant spot in the back of the PENTAGON.  I said to myself then, IT IS NOT A REAL TERRORIST ATTACK!!  THANK GOD!!

One hour after the second plane hit a CIA analyst on ABC announced that it was Osama bin Laden who was behind the attacks!

When on the first day I saw it announced that terrorists left a flight manual for the BOEING 757 written in Arabic in their rental car parked at LOGAN AIRPORT I said THIS LOOKS LIKE PLANTED EVIDENCE REMINISCENT OF THE FAKED PHOTO OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD WITH THE RIFLE USED TO KILL THE PRESIDENT IN ONE HAD AND THE COMMUNIST NEWSPAPERS IN THE OTHER THAT WAS USED TO CONVICT OSWALD IN THE MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

When the passport of the alleged lead terror pilot, Mohammed Atta, was found in 2 feet of rubble 2 blocks from the WTC I said WHO DO THEY EXPECT TO BELIEVE THAT!! Then they expected us to believe that Atta packed a bag for his suicide flight and by some good fortune it did not make his flight.  To top it all off the baggage contained a suicide note.  Then bin Laden makes a confession on video tape and leaves the

tape where it is found.  And the gullible American public buys it all primarily because it is unchallenged by the entire mass media!!

I can now give 25 compelling reasons to indict Daddy Bush, Cheney, the PENTAGON and the CARLYLE GROUP for the real terror behind 911.  Daddy Bush and Cheney were in the SITUATION ROOM at the WHITE HOUSE during the terror attacks (during the 34 minutes between the second WTC hit and the PENTAGON hit while a stand down order was issued to the AIR FORCE to supersede established intercept

procedures for planes that stray off course).

Junior Bush was reading stories to grade school children during the attacks.  He knew one plane had crashed into the WTC when the reading started.  When his top aid Andrew Card whispered in his ear about the second plane hitting the WTC this was caught on videotape and is widely available on the internet.  Junior Bush only looks up and nods and then goes back to reading stories to the kids for 25 more minutes!!  It clearly looks more like Card is informing Bush of an expected event.  There was for example no time for Card to add AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HIJACKED PLANES IN THE AIR.

 

The Director of the WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM where all military crises are managed is with Junior Bush at the grade school.  At the end of the 25 minutes of reading Bush goes immediately to the library of the school where a press conference was set.  He says there I CALLED MY VICE PRESIDENT AND MY FBI DIRECTOR AND THE GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK.  This was a lie!!  There was not enough

time for that.

It takes $5 million to make the minimum investment in CARLYLE GROUP, the defense contractor investment group whose stock has gone up 37% since 911.  The friends of Bush and Cheney are the other investors in CARLYLE GROUP along with the bin Ladens and John Major. CARLYLE GROUP was having their international investors conference in Washington D.C. at the RITZ CARLETON at the exact time of the

911 attacks.  CARLYLE GROUP had a big interest in BIOPORT a company that was the sole source of ANTHRAX VACCINE for the PENTAGON.  BIOPORT gave Admiral Crowe, the former Chairman of the JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF a 27% interest in the company for his pull

with the PENTAGON.  Do I have to connect all the dots regarding the ANTHRAX ATTACK that was traced to US military sources?

It was widely reported by THE NEW YORK TIMES Feb. 17, 2002, MSNBC Oct. 7, 2001 and others that Pakistani ISI Chief, General Mahmud, wire transferred $100,000 to alleged lead terror pilot Mohammed Atta the week before the terror attacks.  At the exact moment of the terror attacks Mahmud was having breakfast with the chairmen of the HOUSE (Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla) and SENATE (Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla) INTELLIGENCE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES along with my senator Jon Kyl.  I will have words with Kyl at the next opportunity. The $100,000 was sufficient to remove Mahmud from office but not enough for the light to go on in the brains of our top US intelligence officials!!

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, and others were told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. In an exercise, called Operation \"Swift Sword\" planned for four years, 23,000 British troops were on their way to Oman the day before the attacks.  These troops were the ones used to assist the Americans in the Afghan invasion.   At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrived on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. Also at the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation \"Bright Star.\" All of these forces were in place before the first plane hit the WTC!

Dan Hopsicker found plenty of CIA connections to the flight school in Venice Florida where Atta and others trained and much more of this nature

http:\/\/www.madcowprod.com\/archive.htm<\/a>

Ariel Sharon canceled his address to ISRAELI support groups in NEW YORK CITY just the day before his scheduled 9-11 address.  The 120 Israeli art student spy ring active in the UNITED STATES before 911 had a group living on the same street just 3 blocks form Mohammed Atta. US intelligence and US media had no interest in this ring or the 2 Israelis who were disarmed in the Mexican congress with guns and explosives

and fake Pakistani passports at a time when the congress was not going along with Fox's support for the Bush invasion of Afghanistan.

Those who consider it unthinkable that the UNITED STATES government and the ISRAELI government would fake a terror attack killing thousands to initiate a war to benefit those controlling these governments should listen to the sound track of the LOSS OF LIBERTY (Direct link for download: http:\/\/thewebfairy.com\/liberty\/liberty.rm<\/a> )  It will take 2 hours to download with a 56k modem but it is worth it.  This is the account of how the 1967 WAR was started wherein all the Palestinian lands now in occupation were taken and how Israel tried to sink an American ship and blame it on the Egyptians.  The US government was clearly a party to this infamy!!

In my search for the best evidence of fake 911 terror I have found a great deal.  As far as stand alone evidence, the capability of the BOEING 757 and BOEING 767 to take off and land by computer alone is the most compelling.  These planes are fully capable of being remotely piloted which is what happened during the terror attacks.  Each of the four hijacked planes had 6 hidden panic alerts for just such events that were known to the flight crew.  NONE OF THEM WERE ACTIVATED!!  The alleged terrorists were the equivalent of Lee Harvey Oswalds --- patsies lured into place to take the blame.  Our FBI has made no effort to reconcile their initial list of terrorists with the real people with those identities shown to be alive in the Middle East!!

The overall plan to send operatives to the US and have them train to fly commercial aircraft at single engine flight schools is a very doubtful affair.  Real terrorists financed by bin Laden's billion dollars would have already been trained pilots quickly infiltrated shortly before the operation.  In secret operations like this time is the great terminator.  One of the alleged pilots trained at a single engine flight school in Phoenix that I once attended.  One day a year WILLIAMS AIR FORCE BASE opened their flight simulators to the public.  Their simulators were on hydraulic lifters with switches to day and night flight as well as various aircraft.  I used to consider myself lucky when I could crash the F-16 on the runway.  Usually I did not do that well!  For any terror master to bet the farm on such a dubious plan would be unthinkable.  But fooling the gullible American public is a far easier prospect.

The software of the BOEING 757 and 767 over rides pilot error and will not let a pilot make banking turns like the PENTAGON plane which was pulling 5 Gs at its final approach or the second WTC plane that was pulling 3 Gs.  This is the most fruitful area to explore for those wishing positive proof that the terror attacks were faked.

The American public has no concept of how the entire broadcast industry is monolithically controlled --- all offering the same lies at the same time.  There are 6 corporate groups that own all of the newspapers in America.  The last time the senate examined the corporate ownership of the broadcast industry was 1970 when they issued a report showing an enormous crime in progress.  A handful of international banks were illegally usurping corporate control of the entire broadcast industry in the UNITED STATES http:\/\/www.dcia.com\/disclosure.html<\/a>  It has only gotten much worse since then.

There is an ISRAELI WAR LOBBY numbering in the thousands beating the drum for war totally unchallenged on TV.  They are not registered as agents of a foreign government as law requires.  In the news media they fill the ranks of the very most prominent, like Ted Kopple, George Will, Mort Kondrakie, Wolf Blitzer and Billy Kristol.

The ambitions of the Bush administration go far beyond getting the Afghan pipeline to move the $350 billion of central Asian oil.  They are pressing for full-scale war where more is destroyed in a day than is produced in an entire year of peace.  From the business standpoint WAR IS THE ULTIMATE CONSUMER!!

I welcome comments, criticisms and corrections.

Brian Downing Quig

9-1-2002

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"The software of the BOEING 757 and 767 over rides pilot error and will not let a pilot make banking turns like the PENTAGON plane which was pulling 5 Gs at its final approach or the second WTC plane that was pulling 3 Gs.\u00a0 This is the most fruitful area to explore for those wishing positive proof that the terror attacks were faked. ","numcomment":71,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/06\/66274.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":66275,"heading":"Follow the Money","article":""It was widely reported by THE NEW YORK TIMES Feb. 17, 2002, MSNBC Oct. 7, 2001 and others that Pakistani ISI Chief, General Mahmud, wire transferred $100,000 to alleged lead terror pilot Mohammed Atta the week before the terror attacks.\u00a0 At the exact moment of the terror attacks Mahmud was having breakfast with the chairmen of the HOUSE (Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla) and SENATE (Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla) INTELLIGENCE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES along with my senator Jon Kyl.\u00a0 I will have words with Kyl at the next opportunity. The $100,000 was sufficient to remove Mahmud from office but not enough for the light to go on in the brains of our top US intelligence officials!! "","author":"Cloak and Dagger","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-22 22:27:33","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:16","fileurl":""},{"id":66455,"heading":"Confused","article":"'the first witnesses reported the "plane ... was distinctly different than any commercial plane and more like a military plane" '\r\n\r\nI thought the 9\/11 conspiracy theory states that it was a cruise missle that hit the Pentagon...","author":"Dagny","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-23 18:04:46","modified":"2003-06-23 18:04:46","fileurl":""},{"id":66475,"heading":"There are multiple theories...","article":"...about the identitification of the projectile that hit the Pentagon. I am aware of at least 3 and none has sufficient evidence to vindicate it:\r\n\r\n1. It was the Aircraft as described.\r\n\r\n2. It was a Cruise Missle.\r\n\r\n3. It was a smaller aircraft of military design - possible an S-3.\r\n\r\nData insufficient.\r\n\r\nHowever, from the rather low quality video tape taken from the security camera that photographed the impact the profile seems to match more closely scenario 3 that it was an S-3 painted to look like an airliner. The videotape is however, inconclusive.\r\n\r\nWe do know that the aircraft descended 7000 feet in a tight spiral in 2 minutes. The G forces involved would have easily exceeded the software limits for an airliner. It would have been close to the limits of the structural integrity of the airframe of a Jet Liner period - unless it was a military design.\r\n\r\nOne thing it is reasonable to surmise is that the maneuver involved would have been beyond the skills of Pilot who had trained only in simulators and had never flown a Jumbo Jet, or a Jet of any kind for that matter. Air Traffic Control described the maneuver as "military in precision". After the rapid spiral descent it leveled off at tree top height, actually clipping a few tree tops, and hit a 71 foot high wall dead center.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-23 22:56:21","modified":"2003-06-23 22:56:21","fileurl":""},{"id":66483,"heading":"again","article":"arabs hijacked passenger jets and crashed them.\r\n\r\nthe evidence is OVERWHELMING.\r\n\r\n9-11 Thed day the muslims hit us.","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:26:39","modified":"2003-06-24 00:26:39","fileurl":""},{"id":66487,"heading":"I think you need to talk to a 757 pilot","article":"a 757 is not "Fly By Wire" now if it had been a 777 then your "software limits" comment may have held water","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:36:21","modified":"2003-06-24 00:36:21","fileurl":""},{"id":66490,"heading":"I'll take a look see...","article":"...and do some more homework.\r\n\r\nHowever, that is one point out of several so the questions still stand.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:42:56","modified":"2003-06-24 00:42:56","fileurl":""},{"id":66493,"heading":"There are so many points..","article":"That article is a "Shotgun Story" Fire enough pellets and you are bound to hit the target with a few...\r\n\r\nI am sorry, I believe the attacks on 9\/11 were real and not a Government plan. As much as I do or do not trust the American Government I do not think that ANY administration would willingly do that to it's citizens.\r\n\r\nNow having said that I feel there should be several "Terrorist Attack" simulations staged in the USA by the security forces. To heighten peoples awareness...","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:52:48","modified":"2003-06-24 00:52:48","fileurl":""},{"id":66494,"heading":"No Kiidding!","article":"again\r\n by fresca\r\n arabs hijacked passenger jets and crashed them. \r\n\r\n the evidence is OVERWHELMING. \r\n\r\n 9-11 Thed day the muslims hit us.\r\n\r\n\r\nthank you twinkle toes for that incredible verse. neither you or the bull shit artists have any proof. I know what I\r\ndon't believe. Your 'wild arab' theory.","author":"Have a cracker fresca.","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:57:51","modified":"2003-06-24 00:57:51","fileurl":""},{"id":66495,"heading":"Well then document your objections...","article":"...such as that the 757 does not have software limits on the number of G's the aircraft is allowed to pull.\r\n\r\nIt is one thing to make a blanket assertion unsupported.\r\nHowever, where's the Beef?\r\n\r\nI don't pretend to know exactly what happened. However the "Official Conspiracy Theory" does not hold up under even cursory inspection.\r\n\r\nAs frescaw knows as it always makes blanket assertions such as "overwhelming proof" but for some reason fails ever to present any of it. ROFL!!!!!\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, CHILDREN DIED. It really is that simple.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 00:59:09","modified":"2003-06-24 00:59:09","fileurl":""},{"id":66496,"heading":"Thank you, RNP","article":"Diogenes, how do we "know that the aircraft descended 7000 feet in a tight spiral in 2 minutes" and how do we know what the resulting g-loads on the airframe were?\r\n\r\nRNP, thank you for adding a dose of reality. And I agree -- the US government cannot always be trusted. But a conspiracy like they talk about around here would be so complex and would involve so many people that I can't believe it for a second. It would have been leaked way before the execution date.\r\n\r\nBut what can you expect around here...\r\n\r\n","author":"Dagny","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:04:01","modified":"2003-06-24 01:04:01","fileurl":""},{"id":66497,"heading":"Well another one..","article":"""Real terrorists financed by bin Laden's billion dollars would have already been trained pilots quickly infiltrated shortly before the operation""\r\n\r\nAnd where would these "Trained" pilots get their training????\r\n\r\nJust as they did I suspect.\r\n\r\nas for the conspiracy theory, we are conversing on two similar threads, that was on the armed pilot thread. But it holds true on here as far as I am concerned.\r\n\r\non 9\/11 the USA was attacked by a terrorist organisation. The USA is in fact one of the easiest countries to attack in this way because in the USA there is so much individual freedom.\r\n\r\na new balance has to be struck between personal freedom and the security of the nation. I feel it will be a few years yet before an acceptable balance is found. But I have faith in the elected government.","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:09:32","modified":"2003-06-24 01:09:32","fileurl":""},{"id":66498,"heading":"Saaaay....","article":"that's right. We havn't been given any information\r\nto speak of, at all. Wonder why that is?\r\nSo many leads, so many walls of national security.\r\n\r\nEven so, the tissue of the fantasy fed to us by the\r\nother 'news' outlets is rancid.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:13:20","modified":"2003-06-24 01:13:20","fileurl":""},{"id":66499,"heading":"I wonder what that might be?","article":""a new balance has to be struck between personal freedom and the security of the nation. "\r\n\r\nI just can see your new balance. Video cams everywhere\r\nID cards and labor camps for all of us who have any guts to\r\nresist the system based upon the discretion of the area\r\nvice martial. Armor in the streets. Helicopters etc. over us for our \r\nprotection. Isn\u2019t this what it was all about anyway?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:23:36","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:17","fileurl":""},{"id":66501,"heading":"You're not THAT important, Sheepdog","article":"You have to be careful to not give yourself and your comrades TOO much (self) importance. \r\n\r\nIf you are an illegal immigrant, from a Middle East nation, then watch your back. If you're just another weekend marcher or vandal (as I overhead two soccer moms characterize your ilk the other day: "those bicycle messengers who clog up traffic and break windows at Starbucks"), then the local cops will treat you the same way they treat any other common vandal. \r\n\r\nBut you're not important enough to have the Feds track you with helicopters and put you into labor camps. That is reserved for the real threats. You're simply a local nuisance who "clog up traffic and break windows at Starbucks".\r\n\r\n","author":"Dagny","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:32:44","modified":"2003-06-24 01:32:44","fileurl":""},{"id":66502,"heading":"Nope that is not the idea.","article":"Has that happened yet?\r\n\r\nIn your world it would have happened 9\/12 would it not?\r\n\r\nI am saying we are going to go through a period of "ADJUSTMENT" \r\n\r\nPersonally I would like to see the borders more tightly controlled, a bit like metal detectors and body searches when you enter a nightclub. In the nightclub you are "relativly" secure, but still free to boogy as you like.","author":"Rational Normal Person.","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:32:49","modified":"2003-06-24 01:32:49","fileurl":""},{"id":66504,"heading":"Personally...","article":"...I put my faith in the Constitution and the MEN who wrote.\r\n\r\nThey were not a bunch of lilly livered yella' bellies willing to buckle on a slave collar because somebody might not like them.\r\n\r\n"Live Free or Die". A motto to LIVE by.\r\n\r\nThe "Official Conspiracy Theory" has more holes that a Water Bucket hit by a full load of Double Ought Buckshot.\r\n\r\n\u201cWe are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth...for my part, I am willing to know the whole truth,; to know the worst; and to provide for it.\u201d\r\n- - - Patrick Henry March 23, 1775\r\n\r\n"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom, it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."\r\n- - - William Pitt (The Younger) 1783","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:35:41","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:17","fileurl":""},{"id":66505,"heading":"Hey Diogenes!!","article":"Ya should have stuck with the British then!\r\n\r\n;)","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:40:02","modified":"2003-06-24 01:40:02","fileurl":""},{"id":66507,"heading":"I knew this was coming.","article":"That morning as soon as I heard of the WTC event by a former\r\nco worker. I told him 'Well there goes our civil liberties'\r\nas if anyone with half a brain couldn't see this as a smoke screen to shield the criminals in the present admin from the\r\non going financial scandals and involvements. It also made sense because if they knew this was going to happen they would know that this would trivialize any common corporate\r\nfraud even at that heroic, historic level. Next; What election are you talking about? Get back in your house.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 01:50:55","modified":"2003-06-24 01:50:55","fileurl":""},{"id":66511,"heading":"Agreed...","article":"...although for me the turning point was when I learned how long the aircraft had been in the air unchallenged and no intercepts.\r\n\r\nAt that point I KNEW that there was complicity at the highest levels. It is the only way those aircraft, particularly the one that hit the Pentagon, could have remained in the air as long as they did without a "Bloodhound" up their ass.\r\n\r\nAt that point I knew we were in for a bumpy ride.\r\n\r\nHowever, the game is not yet over.\r\n\r\nThe slumbering Giant has not yet fully awoken. If we can continue waking people up the Bastards may yet dance a "merry Jig".","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 02:07:03","modified":"2003-06-24 02:07:03","fileurl":""},{"id":66521,"heading":"Please, boys","article":"What a load of horseshit. \r\n\r\nTHE LUNATIC IS IN MY HEAD\r\nTHE LUNATIC IS IN YOUR HEAD TOO?!\r\nMAKES ME FEEL BETTER :-)","author":"Dagny","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 03:58:47","modified":"2003-06-24 03:58:47","fileurl":""},{"id":66591,"heading":"Challenge to nessie et al","article":"Nessie (and comrades),\r\n\r\nMaybe it's the way I think, but I just can't fathom the enormous scope of the 9\/11 Treason theory that you propose. I challenge you to write a narrative of how it could have been organized and executed. The purpose is for me to understand your logic and to ascertain a rough number of the minimum number of people (and their positions in government and industry) that would have needed to be involved. Off the top of my head, I will list some of the players that I hope you won't forget to include in your narrative. Thank you.\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\n* people at American Airlines and United Airlines who would have reprogrammed software and installed all of the systems to allow for the remote control flights.\r\n\r\n* remote control pilots (and people who helped them train)\r\n\r\n* people responsible for getting Arabs who had been in Afghanistan on board all of the planes\r\n\r\n* bartenders and dancers in Vegas who told reporters that they saw some of the hijackers. And their handlers.\r\n\r\n* demolition engineers who placed explosives in WTC\r\nto ensure the destruction of the buildings\r\n\r\n* people to fabricate cellphone calls from the planes to families\r\n\r\n* security workers at Walmart and a few banks who handed over video of hijackers together\r\n\r\n* people responsible for silencing eyewitnesses who saw a cruise missle hit the Pentagon, rather than the reported airliner.\r\n\r\n\r\nThis is just the tip of the iceberg. I honestly do look forward to reading the narrative. Thanks again.","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 15:13:56","modified":"2003-06-24 15:13:56","fileurl":""},{"id":66601,"heading":"Compartmentalization of operations\/complicity","article":"These are good points of investagation. A demand to release information for a peoples inquiey is due. \r\nBecause the CIA\/FBI etc, etc, are in an information lock down and\r\npeople are getting waxed by plane accidents or anthrax attacks\r\ndoesn't mean the vast american population don't want to know what the hell happened.\r\nThis reminds me of the mafia don sitting on the stand smirking because the witnesses are dead, bought off or in on the deal. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 15:34:14","modified":"2003-06-24 15:34:14","fileurl":""},{"id":66602,"heading":"What your bogus post...","article":"...points out is the need for a FULL and COMPLETE INVESTIGATION.\r\n\r\nSomething the Bush Junta has attempted to block at every turn.\r\n\r\nWhy is that?\r\n\r\nGot something to hide?\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AND PEOPLE DIED. It really is that simple.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 15:37:50","modified":"2003-06-24 15:37:50","fileurl":""},{"id":66604,"heading":"I'm not asking for proof","article":"I'm not asking for proof.\r\n\r\nJust a plausible story that includes all of the elements. This will allow us to see the number of people involved.","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 15:41:20","modified":"2003-06-24 15:41:20","fileurl":""},{"id":66610,"heading":"remember 1963?","article":"Something happened in Dallas.\r\nHow many were involved? Never any trial. Nope, none at all.\r\nGarrison tried. But that wasn't Dallas, Texas. There is no statute of\r\nlimitations on murder.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 15:51:03","modified":"2003-06-24 15:51:03","fileurl":""},{"id":66644,"heading":"Not that one, Sheepdog","article":"I was inquiring about the events of 9\/11\/01","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 17:58:57","modified":"2003-06-24 17:58:57","fileurl":""},{"id":66653,"heading":"Involvment","article":"It's the same principle.\r\nWho in a murder conspiracy will turn in their accomplices unless one of them gets caught?\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 19:01:12","modified":"2003-06-24 19:01:12","fileurl":""},{"id":66661,"heading":"Sheepdog, don't be so defensive","article":"I'm simply asking for a plausible narrative of the "unofficial" 9\/11 story. NO evidence required. Just a plausible narrative that covers all the bases.\r\n\r\n","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 19:17:05","modified":"2003-06-24 19:17:05","fileurl":""},{"id":66670,"heading":"I'm not defensive","article":"Read this little story and get back with me.\r\nhttp:\/\/www.public-action.com\/911\/bumble.html","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 20:34:22","modified":"2003-06-24 20:34:22","fileurl":""},{"id":66674,"heading":"Great beginning!","article":"Now flesh it out. Fill in the blanks (like what happened to the airliners after they landed at the airfield, more about how they may have got the flight-trained Muslims on the respective planes, etc) and then determine the minimum number of people involved to pull this off (which, after all, is my question).\r\n\r\nThanks!","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 21:19:43","modified":"2003-06-24 21:19:43","fileurl":""},{"id":66677,"heading":"In other words","article":"Let me send you on a Wild Goose Chase so I can laugh as you look and prove stuff he\/she already knows but gets their jollies (and paycheck) for sending people spinning off.\r\n\r\nIn other words solve the crime of the Century and get back to me.","author":"Scarecrow","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 21:46:19","modified":"2003-06-24 21:46:19","fileurl":""},{"id":66683,"heading":"Huh?","article":"Paycheck? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm here simply out of curiousity.\r\n\r\nI'm not asking anybody to solve anything. It's a challenge to see if a plausible scenario exists. And if it does, I'm wondering how many people are involved.\r\n","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 21:59:07","modified":"2003-06-24 21:59:07","fileurl":""},{"id":66687,"heading":" I'm wondering how many people are involved.","article":"More than 19. that's for sure. You're asking the questions that should be drumed from the media. Read the vast array of posts on the subject. Figure it out for yourself.\r\nIf you can't connect the dots that's just how it is.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 22:34:25","modified":"2003-06-24 22:34:25","fileurl":""},{"id":66688,"heading":"Negatory, Sheepdog.","article":"You guys are making the claim. It's up to you to support it. Don't ask anyone else to do your homework. If you haven't the time or wit to do it, oh well...guess it must be a goofy idea to begin with.\r\n\r\nNow...write a scenario that accounts for all the people who must be in on the little secret.\r\n\r\nIf you can't connect the dots that's just how it is.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 22:37:55","modified":"2003-06-24 22:37:55","fileurl":""},{"id":66692,"heading":"it's your phony theory","article":"We don't believe it.\r\nCertainly I wont waste my time proving my disbelief.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 22:44:55","modified":"2003-06-24 22:44:55","fileurl":""},{"id":66696,"heading":"So...","article":"...you make a claim. And that's what you're doing; YOU claim that Bush & Co. are reponsible for the 9\/11 attacks.\r\n\r\nYou refuse to account for all the people who must be involved.\r\n\r\nYou lose.\r\n\r\nIt really is that simple.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 22:57:21","modified":"2003-06-24 22:57:21","fileurl":""},{"id":66707,"heading":"Forget about the details","article":"Perhaps the details are so complex that it's impossible for anybody not in government to conceive of a scenario. I'll give you that.\r\n\r\nBut, please tell me: \r\n\r\nWhy did the government go to all this trouble??","author":"Eddie","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-24 23:33:40","modified":"2003-06-24 23:33:40","fileurl":""},{"id":66741,"heading":"C'mon, Eddie!","article":"Haven't you been paying attention?\r\n\r\nIt's for the OOOOOIILLL!\r\n\r\nIt's for the EMMMPIIIIIRE!\r\n\r\nIt's for the JOOOOOOS!\r\n\r\nIt's to prop up BOOOOOSH!\r\n\r\nDid I leave anything out?","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-25 08:16:51","modified":"2003-06-25 08:16:51","fileurl":""},{"id":66743,"heading":"YEAH CUZ THEY NEVER LIE","article":"the united states government was never involved in the Iranian coup to overthrow the shaw\r\nthey were never involved in illegal weapons shipments to central america\r\nthey never carried out the Tuskeegee experiments\r\nthey never harbored war criminals like pinochet\r\nthey never advocated mass genocide upon the naitive american indians including biological warfare\r\nthey never spied on other countries using the U2\r\nthey never broke into the watergate hotel\r\nthey never tried to cover up the me lai massacre\r\nthey never financed and trained the afgans to fight the russians\r\nthey never sent japanese americans to concentration camps\r\nthey never did anything\r\nthey are like angels.......","author":"3200fps","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-25 08:56:33","modified":"2003-06-25 08:56:33","fileurl":""},{"id":66859,"heading":"Not what I was asking, 3200","article":"I'm not asking if the government was capable of doing bad things in the past. I'm simply asking for an intellectually-honest account of how this plot could have been put together. \r\n\r\nI'm not asking for proof, for motive, for *anything* other than a plausible plan that doesn't have any holes. \r\n\r\nThink of it, if you want, as fiction. If you were John Grisham and were designing this plot, how would you describe the plan in a way that anybody would read and say, "yea, that would work".\r\n\r\nI can't believe that you clear-thinking people haven't already all gone through this exercise in your head. You wouldn't put faith into something you can't make sense of, would you? \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-25 14:53:06","modified":"2003-06-25 14:53:06","fileurl":""},{"id":66997,"heading":"Israelis","article":"Where do the Israeli intelligence officers in the white van fit into all of this? And what about the Israeil intelligence folks posing as art students. Were they the same people? How do they fit into the story?","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-25 23:21:26","modified":"2003-06-25 23:21:26","fileurl":""},{"id":67042,"heading":"They fit in, Newton...","article":"...because rabid Jew-hate shoehorns them in.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-26 08:20:54","modified":"2003-06-26 08:20:54","fileurl":""},{"id":67072,"heading":"DAVEMAN","article":"YOU ARE A TOTAL SIMPLETON.","author":"A THIRD GRADER","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-26 12:12:24","modified":"2003-06-26 12:12:24","fileurl":""},{"id":67216,"heading":"Third Grader","article":"You're at least partially right.\r\n\r\nIt certainly doesn't take much mental effort to recognize the Jew-hate rampant at IMC.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-26 21:32:49","modified":"2003-06-26 21:32:49","fileurl":""},{"id":67270,"heading":"So davemoron's eloquent...","article":"...slur perfectly explains the 5 dancing Israelis.\r\n\r\nThey were dancing because people hate them.\r\n\r\nFunny reaction I would say.\r\n\r\nThat explains why they were taking pictures of the Collapsed Twin Towers and High Fiving. Anti-Semitism.\r\n\r\nIt's all so clear now.\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AND CHILDREN DIED. It really is that simple.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 03:17:15","modified":"2003-06-27 03:17:15","fileurl":""},{"id":67285,"heading":"WEll, let's see here, Dioghnuts:","article":"If dancing Jews make Israel responsible for the attacks, where do all the dancing Arabs fit into the equation?\r\n\r\nJust some Arab holiday?\r\n\r\nArthur Murray lessons?\r\n\r\nDance Fever reruns?","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 07:48:12","modified":"2003-06-27 07:48:12","fileurl":""},{"id":67365,"heading":"Weak davie, weak.","article":"It does not address the point you are merely trying to divert away from a losing position.\r\n\r\nTILT\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AND PEOPLE DIED. It really is that simple.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 13:39:34","modified":"2003-06-27 13:39:34","fileurl":""},{"id":67437,"heading":"Don't forget the Israelis","article":"Sheepdog,\r\nIt's been a few days now. I trust that the narrative is moving along nicely. Please don't forget to include those Israeli spies into the story. The aim is to formulate a plan with no loose ends.\r\n\r\nThank you in advance for all of your work on this project.\r\n\r\n","author":"Truthdetector","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 14:56:46","modified":"2003-06-27 14:56:46","fileurl":""},{"id":67489,"heading":"Truth is indetectable...","article":"...in the above post.\r\n\r\nTruthdetector = Spin Prevaricator.\r\n\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AND PEOPLE DIED. It really is that simple.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?\r\n\r\nWhy were the Israeli's dancing?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 17:20:37","modified":"2003-06-27 17:20:37","fileurl":""},{"id":67519,"heading":"well now","article":""neither you or the bull shit artists have any proof."\r\n\r\nDumber by the minute.\r\n\r\nThere are mountains of proof. Just none that supports your harebrained fantasies.\r\n\r\n9-11 The Day The Muslims Hit Us.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 19:42:25","modified":"2003-06-27 19:42:25","fileurl":""},{"id":67526,"heading":"Dancing Israelis","article":"If there were, in fact, Israelis dancing at the thought of Muslim fanatics conducting a terrorist act on American soil, I can conceive of a reason. The war on Islamic terrorism just got the biggest, baddest new partner possible. Sure, not in good taste (the dancing\/celebrating), but there would be a reason for feeling that way (in a perverse way).\r\n\r\nThe more mind-boggling question is why do Americans spit on the graves of people who died in shear terror and make up ridiculous stories about how they died in vain (to protect Ken Lay)? You people are beyond horrendous. Just dispicable excuses for Americans, let alone for human beings.\r\n\r\nThose few Israelis had a perverse reason (if it happened) to celebrate. You have NO excuse to do the intellectually dishonest bullshit that you do.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 20:07:11","modified":"2003-06-27 20:07:11","fileurl":""},{"id":67530,"heading":"It's still HIGH TREASON","article":"Maybe you have convinced yourself.\r\nI doubt it, much squawking however, with the circle\r\nof weasels about what could be, not, was. \r\nYou have nothing but thin tissue to stop this one.\r\nDon't matter what color you paint it, or as my dad\r\nused to say " no matter how you slice it, it's still\r\nbaloney" and that man knew baloney, working in\r\ncounter intelligence all those years.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 20:36:31","modified":"2003-06-27 20:36:31","fileurl":""},{"id":67531,"heading":"Convinced myself?","article":"I don't convince myself of anything. I evaluate the evidence and believe in what makes sense. I suggest you do the same.\r\n\r\nBy the way, Sheepdog, we're all looking forward to reading your story. Be sure it makes sense, as we'll all be trying to find holes in it.","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 20:44:45","modified":"2003-06-27 20:44:45","fileurl":""},{"id":67533,"heading":"What exactly...","article":"...is treasonous about being attacked by Islamic subhumans?","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 20:50:22","modified":"2003-06-27 20:50:22","fileurl":""},{"id":67534,"heading":"Crazy ramblings","article":"Reading that latest Sheepdog blurb reminds me of those crazies on the street (I know, I know -- the people that Reagan cruelly forced out of the asylums) rambling to themselves in a series of unrelated half-thoughts.\r\n\r\nI hope, for his sake, he was just drunk when he wrote that...","author":"Eddie","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 20:52:33","modified":"2003-06-27 20:52:33","fileurl":""},{"id":67547,"heading":"Sheepdog","article":"When you write the Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory, don't forget to account for:\r\n\r\nThe passengers, crew, and ground crew who were involved with the airliner that allegedly struck the Pentagon, when it was really a cruise missile, as well as the airliner itself.\r\n\r\nThe pilots, ground crew, and munitions guys who were assigned to the fighters that shot down the plane over PA.\r\n\r\nThe technicians who installed the remote controls on the airliners.\r\n\r\nThe Bin Laden look-alike and video crew who made the tape claiming Al Qaeda's responsibility. \r\n\r\nAnd all of the thousands of other people necessary to carry out this conspiracy of yours.\r\n\r\nI don't have to remind you that any theory that doesn't take into account all of these people will be unacceptable.\r\n\r\nYou have some homework to do. You can title it, "What I Did on my Summer Vacation...The Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory", or "Why I Blame Bush and the Jews for All the Problems in the World".","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 21:40:56","modified":"2003-06-27 21:40:56","fileurl":""},{"id":67549,"heading":"fresca","article":"I've been working ALOT these last two weeks, so please answer a question.\r\n\r\nWhen did the cruise missile scenario first get hatched and by who, pray tell?\r\n\r\nThis is rather priceless.","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 21:43:37","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":67553,"heading":"It is interesting that the Shills...","article":"...despite many words really say nothing more than:\r\n\r\nWe beeeeeeelieeeeeeeve the official conspiracy theory despite all of it's known defects.\r\n\r\nNo evidence in support of their position is evident.\r\n\r\ndaviemoron takes that time tested shill tactic of demanding a complete solution to the crime and citing lack thereof as somehow vindicating the official conspiracy theory - which it does not.\r\n\r\nTime and again those of us who question the official conspiracy theory have presented evidence in support of our position that the official conspiracy does not adequately account for all of the verifiable facts of 911. The shills generally ignore it and pretend it does not exist or attack the source rather than refuting the data.\r\n\r\nAbout all they do is cite the tape of Osama's bad double which has had multiple interpretations and of which much of the audio is of such poor quality as to not be reliably translated.\r\n\r\nNever adequately addressed by the shills is where was NORAD on 911?\r\n\r\nNever disproven is that the FBI cannot cite any evidence to reliably identify the alleged hijackers.\r\n\r\nWhy was FEMA flown into NYC the night before?\r\n\r\nIf the towers were a raging 2000 degree inferno, with the same fuel burning several times (and at hotter than capable temperatures) how did Firefighters reach the 85th Floor of the first tower and begin radioing back for help and instructions on evacuating the SURVIVORS?\r\n\r\nHow is it that we have a photograph of someone looking out the hole in the tower?\r\n\r\nWhy were the 5 dancing Israeli's dancing in glee and high fiving while taking snapshots of the collapsed towers?\r\n\r\nWhy were they released and immediately deported within a week?\r\n\r\nWhy did their employer, a Mossad Operative running a Moving Company, abandon his business and flee back to Israel when the agents were picked up?\r\n\r\nWhy did the vehicle they were driving have traces of explosives?\r\n\r\nWhy were they carrying a large sum of cash?\r\n\r\nWhy were they released?\r\n\r\nWhy did the Israeli Telecommunications Company Odigo receive a warning 2 hours prior to the attack to abandon their offices in the Tower? This is verified.\r\n\r\nWhy did Gee Duhbya continue reading a Goat Story to a group of Kids for 2O minutes after the second strike? The video of that one is available at multiple Websites. What Really Happened has a copy as does I believe GNN.\r\n\r\nWhy are the Shills so apoplectic at the prospect of Israeli involvement in 911?\r\n\r\nIt is not like it is the first time Israel has run a False Flag operation or attacked Americans - The Lavon Affair, The U.S.S. Liberty, the false transponder in Libya to get the U.S. to Bomb Khaddafi. All are well documented.\r\n\r\nI am not saying the Israeli's did it. However I am not ruling it out either. The available evidence is at least "interesting".\r\n\r\nWhatever the truth of 911 what we need is an honest and complete investigation of what exactly occurred. It is a cinch that the official conspiracy theory does not account for all the data.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 22:07:59","modified":"2003-06-27 22:07:59","fileurl":""},{"id":67561,"heading":"crazy talk","article":"the reason why we don't bother addressing most of the claims you traitors make is because they are unaddressable.\r\n\r\nJust because you type statements doesn't mean that they are in any way worthy of response.\r\n\r\nGive us a break. How is anyone supposed to disprove the inane comments and theories you guys come up with.\r\n\r\nYou claim the videotapes were phony. You cite no credible sources.\r\n\r\nYou claim Israelis were dancing. Prove it.\r\n\r\nYou claim cellphones can't work from those altitudes. You then post articles that state otherwise.\r\n\r\nYou claim there's no reason for the towers to collapse. Reread the threads. Many people have given ample evidence that the crash and resulting fires certainly caused the damage.\r\n\r\nIt goes on and on.\r\n\r\nEveryday you add some new nonsense to the mix and scream when we don't prove you wrong. We can't. We can't prove a negative.\r\n\r\nThe bottom line is that you KNOW Islamic terrorists hit us on 9-11.\r\n\r\nThere is simply no evidence to the contrary and mounds of evidence supporting this including tapes which have never even been suggested (other than yourself in some dreamstate) to have been fabricated. By the way, nice try at backpeddling there. First they are tapes of an actor. Now all of a sudden they are simply bad audio which makes translation hard.\r\n\r\nPathetic.\r\n\r\nYou've yet to prove a single element of your hoax.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou shotgun everything.\r\n\r\nWas it a CIA operation?\r\n\r\nDid we attack ourselves with cruise missiles?\r\n\r\nNo wait. You also purport that Israeli spies attacked us.\r\n\r\nYou're simply insane and\/or a liar.\r\n\r\n9-11 The Day The Muslims Hit Us.","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 22:27:54","modified":"2003-06-27 22:27:54","fileurl":""},{"id":67565,"heading":"oh jesus","article":"perfect example.\r\n\r\n"Why did the Israeli Telecommunications Company Odigo receive a warning 2 hours prior to the attack to abandon their offices in the Tower? This is verified."\r\n\r\nverified huh? Please enlighten us. This nonsense has been refuted and the subject of jokes for almost two years now. This may be the original jackass 9-11 lie.","author":"fresca","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 22:38:57","modified":"2003-06-27 22:38:57","fileurl":""},{"id":67567,"heading":"Don't forget, Fresca...","article":"Lack of evidence AGAINST a conspiracy theory is proof FOR it.\r\n\r\nTo fresca:\r\n\r\n"When did the cruise missile scenario first get hatched and by who, pray tell?"\r\n\r\nDon't remember. Some idiot in here. You can't tell the nutcases without a scorecard.\r\n\r\nDioghnuts: "We beeeeeeelieeeeeeeve the official IMC America\/Jew-hating conspiracy theory despite all of it's known defects."\r\n\r\nThat's what you meant to say, right?","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 22:56:34","modified":"2003-06-27 22:56:34","fileurl":""},{"id":67571,"heading":"fresca says, "You've","article":" yet to prove a single element of your hoax."\r\n\r\nIMFers, stop wasting energy trying to convince these people to think. They obviously believe guilty until proven innocent. There has been no real investigation. But somehow we are to believe that 19 Arabs under the orders of a man living in a cave masterminded the greatest terrorist attack of all times, while the FBI and the greatest military ever to exist in history were helpless to stop it. Americans are dumb as dirt. Hollywood action movies, not logic, history and science form the basis for their thinking.\r\n","author":"Take the red pill","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 23:13:12","modified":"2003-06-27 23:13:12","fileurl":""},{"id":67573,"heading":"Actually I find their contortions...","article":"...amusing. They are to some degree their own worst enemy. \r\n\r\nAbsolutely predictable.\r\n\r\nI haven't gotten good enough yet to predict their exact words but I can hum the tune.\r\n\r\nThey discredit themselves with all of their lying obfuscations.\r\n\r\nHa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.\r\n\r\nThey are a great amusement. \r\n\r\nKind of like a wind up doll. Or try sticking a quarter in their ear. ROFL!\r\n\r\nThey are busy earning their 30 pieces of Silver.\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, AND PEOPLE DIED. It really is that simple.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 23:28:42","modified":"2003-06-27 23:28:42","fileurl":""},{"id":67604,"heading":"For starters","article":"Since you all are too lazy and incompetent to even fabricate a scenario to agree with your conspiracy, just do this. \r\n\r\nProvide evidence to refute any of the ASCE\/FEMA study. And real evidence, by a recognized engineer. Not your regular unnamed\/unknown "sources".\r\n\r\nPS - Fresca or Daveman, if you go into the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy headquarters tomorrow, can you pick up my check? I'll be playing golf with the Osama double and the Todd Beamer voice double. They just returned from Iraq, where they've been busy planting WMD evidence and spreading DU dust around civic centers.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-28 01:04:56","modified":"2003-06-28 01:04:56","fileurl":""},{"id":67622,"heading":"Oh spare me...","article":"...the translation of this is: "I want to see something from one of the usual suspects that vindicates your position."\r\n\r\nROFL!!!!!!!!\r\n\r\nReality is that compromised sources are not going to question the official story.\r\n\r\nI do not pretend to know exactly what happened on 911.\r\n\r\nWhat I do know is simply if one opens their eyes and examines the availble evidence from all angles the "Official Conspiracy Theory" does not hold up to analysis.\r\n\r\nThere are too many pieces of the puzzle that are preposterously explained.\r\n\r\nThe fuel that got hotter than it should have and would have had to burn 2 or 3 times to get the represented effect.\r\n\r\nThe Firefighters who made it to the 85th Floor did not walk into a raging inferno. They calmly radioed their command station to coordinate evacuation of SURVIVORS. They were not in the middle of fighting a raging blaze.\r\n\r\nToo many unanswerd questions. Too many explanations in the "Official Conspiracy Theory" that do not hold up when examined.\r\n\r\nI am not going to convince anyone in one post.\r\nI am not even going to try.\r\nRemove your preconceptions and put the data to the test - examine it - get into the actual reports of what happened.\r\n\r\nBe courageous enough to go where the data leads not just blindly accepting unexamined a story that cannot withstand examination.\r\n\r\nWhat we need is an honest investigation.\r\n\r\nThe Bush Junta has tried to block one at every juncture.\r\n\r\nWhy?\r\n\r\nGot something to hide?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-28 02:57:44","modified":"2003-06-28 02:57:44","fileurl":""},{"id":67822,"heading":"Honest investigation","article":"You don't feel that the American Society of Civil Engineers made an honest investigation? \r\n\r\nAgain, I ask you to find fault.","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-28 15:30:17","modified":"2003-06-28 15:30:17","fileurl":""},{"id":67940,"heading":"Sorry, Newton...","article":"...I can't get to VRWCHQ tomorrow.\r\n\r\nI'm attending a seminar: "How to Ridicule Leftists\/Anarchists for Fun & Profit".\r\n\r\nYou really ought to set up Direct Deposit. The International Zionist Bankers highly recommend it.\r\n\r\nSay "Hey!" to Osama2 for me. Keep an eye on him, though; he fudges his score card. And when you beat him, he issues a fatwah. Pretty annoying.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-28 23:42:11","modified":"2003-06-28 23:42:11","fileurl":""},{"id":67941,"heading":"Dio and the ASCE","article":"Newton, Dio will NOT accept anything the ASCE says, for the simple reason their findings don't fit his own preconceived notions.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-28 23:44:17","modified":"2003-06-28 23:44:17","fileurl":""},{"id":67944,"heading":"We do know about the American Fire Fighters Association","article":"They are PISSED about the 'investagation' that never was.\r\n","author":"And","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-29 00:07:52","modified":"2003-06-29 00:07:52","fileurl":""},{"id":68080,"heading":"One more thing...","article":"...I'll also be attending the "Logic for Dummies" seminar.","author":"daveman","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-29 11:46:24","modified":"2003-06-29 11:46:24","fileurl":""},{"id":68286,"heading":"Dear Daveman","article":"Sorry I missed the seminar. Hopefully you'll be able to make copies of the important slides and send them along to me. I took your advice and set up direct deposit through the First Bank of Zionism. I am honored to have a percentage of each transaction going to such a worthy cause.\r\n\r\nPS - I'm still waiting for one of the geniuses to refute any part of the ASCE study.\r\n","author":"Newton","parent_id":66274,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-29 22:52:07","modified":"2003-06-29 22:52:07","fileurl":""}]}