{"article":{"id":64049,"heading":"Mossad & Moving Companies - Masterminds Of Global Terrorism?","author":"The Shadow","created":"2003-06-10 14:38:06","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:04","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:23:04","article":"

Mossad & Moving Companies - Masterminds Of Global Terrorism?

By Laura Knight-Jadczyk

Cassiopaea.org

6-9-3



The other day I was scanning the news reports and came across a rather mundane item that really got me to thinking. It simply read:

 

<http:\/\/www.informationclearinghouse.info\/article3484.htm<\/a>>Cloudcroft, New Mexico Police Chief Stops Israelis With Suspicious Cargo

 

By Michael Shinabery

Staff Writer

Alamogordo Daily News

 

CLOUDCROFT, NM -- That they were speeding through the school zone first got his attention.

 

That they had Israeli driver's licenses and expired passports made him suspicious.

 

Cloudcroft Police Chief Gene Green stopped the 2-ton van on Thursday, for speeding. Initially, Green thought the truck was commercial because of exterior markings. But when he found it was out of Chicago, he asked for documentation such as logs books and manifests.

 

\"They said this is a U-Haul truck and handed me a rental agreement (for) in-town delivery only in Illinois, (which) had expired two days before,\" Green said. He called for backup, and Otero County Sheriff's Deputy Billy Anders, who patrols the Sacramento Mountains, arrived, along with Capt. Norbert Sanchez and Det. Eddie Medrano.

 

\"We got them out and started digging a little deeper,\" Green said, \"got permission to search the truck. They claimed they were hauling furniture from Austin to Chicago.\" When officers advised the men they were not exactly en route from one town to another, Green said the two men claimed they were Deming bound. \"But they couldn't give us an address in Deming they were going to,\" he said. \"Once we got into the truck, they had some junk furniture I wouldn't have given to Goodwill.\"

 

Also inside the vehicle were, Green said, \"50 boxes\" they claimed was a \"private\" delivery, but the men insisted they had no \"idea what was in them.\"

 

At that point, the officers called for drug-sniffing and bomb-sniffing dogs. The men were turned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and U- Haul recovered the truck.

 

Contents of the boxes remain unknown, pending investigation.

 

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Well, don't that just beat all? Yet another \"moving company\" with Israeli drivers with bad papers, and nobody even noticed...

 

Well, I noticed.

 

Not only did I notice, I remembered a strange story about a similar event:

 

On May 7, 2002, local police authorities pulled over a Budget rental truck in Oak Harbour, Washington near the Whitney Island Naval Air Station. The driver and his passenger were Israeli nationals, one of which had entered the country illegally. The other had an expired visa. Tests performed on the vehicle revealed that there were traces of TNT on the gearshift and RDX plastic explosives on the steering wheel. But no actual explosives were reported to have been found in the truck. [Fox News, 5\/13\/02]

 

A report in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer the following day reported that the FBI performed follow-up tests on the truck which turned-up negative. One source speculated that perhaps the original tests had actually detected just cigarette residue, and not explosives. [Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5\/14\/02, Jerusalem Post, 5\/14\/02].

 

Critics argued that it would make no sense for U.S. authorities to use a method of testing that could be skewed by cigarette residue. The website whatreallyhappened.com remarked:

 

'The specific claim is made that residue from a cigarette lighter confused the tests for TNT and RDX. That doesn't explain why the trained bomb-sniffing dog, who surely knows the difference between explosives and cigarettes [else he would false-positive every smoker, ashtray, and convenience store he came across] gave the first indications of explosives in the truck that led to the tests in the first place. Likewise, were the chemical tests unable to discriminate between tobacco and TNT\/RDX, which are chemically quite different from tobacco combustion products, they would give false positive results for every vehicle ever tested in which smokers had ever ridden. Given the likelihood of finding tobacco residues in any car, such tests would have to be designed to tell the difference. The same is true for other products from non- electric cigarette lighters, the vast majority of which are butane.'

 

The same website also provided references to three documents with detailed information on the tests used to detect TNT and RDX. None of the documents indicated that the presence of cigarette residue might induce inaccurate test results. [International Society for Optical Engineering 1984; Cold Regions and Research Engineering Laboratory 5-1996; Security Management n.d.]

 

I also remembered another peculiar item: the so-called <http:\/\/cooperativeresearch.org\/wot\/sept11\/911mossad.html<\/a>>Urban Moving Company that some researchers suggest was a cover for Mossad.

 

Many observers have suggested that Israel had foreknowledge of the 9\/11 terrorists attacks. Some have even argued that they may have been behind the attacks, and it seems that the funny stories about Israelis with trucks and bad papers just keep popping up here and there.

 

On September 11, five employees of Jewish owned Urban Moving Company were detained as a result of witness accounts that they were taking pictures of the flaming ruins of the World Trade Center and celebrating!

 

Yes indeedy! Shortly after the collapse of the towers a witness called the police and reported that the 5 individuals were, 'going to unusual lengths to photograph the World Trade Center ruins' and they were obviously and blatantly 'making light of the situation.' The witness stated that these men were on the roof of the office of their employer, Urban Moving Company, and were posing, dancing, and laughing. [New York Times 10\/8\/01; Bergen Record 9\/12\/01; Ha'aretz 9\/17\/01; Gotham Gazette 11\/2\/01]

 

After their indiscreet celebration on the roof of the building, the five Israelis headed down to a nearby parking lot where they mounted the roof of their truck and resumed their photographing and celebrating. Another witness called the police and told them that the men were smiling, dancing, and giving each other high-fives while viewing the destruction of the symbol of Free Enterprise in America. [Gotham Gazette 11\/2\/01; ABC News, 6\/21\/02]

 

A few hours later, the five Israelis were stopped by police while driving their truck. One individual had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock, while another had two foreign passports. They were also found to be in the possession of a box- cutter, which they presumably had because of their job as professional movers. [New York Times 10\/8\/01; Gotham Gazette 11\/2\/01; ABC News, 6\/21\/02]

 

On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, left the country very abruptly after FBI agents indicated that they wanted a second interview with him. According to ABC Newsí 2020 [ABC News 6\/21\/02], 'Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse. The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.' [New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety, 12\/13\/01; Gotham Gazette 11\/2\/01; ABC News, 6\/21\/02; Forward, 3\/15\/02]

 

Shortly after the arrest of the men, FBI officials suspected that the Urban Moving company was an Israeli intelligence front. Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism, told ABC News that the FBI was concerned that the moving company had been 'set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.' [ABC News, 6\/21\/02]

 

The five employees that were taken into custody were all former members of the Israeli Army. After being transferred to jail, the FBIís Criminal Division sent the case to the Counterintelligence Section on account of suspicions that they were Israeli spies. They were then detained for more that two months. Some of them spent 40 days in solitary confinement. [New York Times 11\/21\/01; ABC News, 6\/21\/02]

 

Naturally, several individuals attempted to research this item. One high-ranking U.S. intelligence source told Forward magazine that intelligence agentsí investigation of Urban Moving Company led them to believe it was a front for the Israeli Mossad. It should be noted that, at present there is no publicly available information that conclusively confirms this allegation. However the above described incident, reported by various news sources, certainly casts a very dark shadow of suspicion on the company and its employees.

 

It seems that Urban Moving Company was not an isolated phenomenon.

 

According to a small local newspaper in Pennsylvania, The Mercury, three Israeli employees working for Moving Systems, Inc. were detained by police on October 11, 2001, after being caught illegally dumping garbage from their moving truck into the dumpster of a restaurant. The suspects had fled the seen after being confronted by the restaurantís manager, who immediately reported the incident to the police. [The Mercury 10\/17\/01]

 

The Mercury reported: 'The area was searched by township police, and the vehicle was spotted parked on the curb in front of John Kennedy Ford on Ridge Pike, just west of Industrial Way. An officer proceeded to make contact with the occupants of the truck by knocking on the cab, according to reports.

 

A Middle Eastern [an Israeli according to Executive Intelligence Review 3\/29\/02] man, later identified as Ron Katar, 23, exited the sleeper area of the cab and said that the operator - Elmakias - was across the street as he pointed toward the Don Rosen Porsche dealer, reports said.

 

Elmakias and a white female, Ayelet Reisler, 23, were approaching the vehicle from the dealership, but the female then began walking in a different direction, acting as if she were not with Elmakias, according to reports. . . .

 

Elmakias said that his destination was New York and that he was also coming from New York. He said he was in Plymouth because he was supposed to make a pickup from a male in the morning and pointed toward the Storage USA facility on Belvoir Road and West Ridge Pike, police said. Elmakias could not, however, provide a name or telephone number of the customer.' [The Mercury 10\/17\/01]

 

A search of the truck turned up detailed video footage of the Sears Towers along with several other suspicious articles. It was also discovered that the driver of the truck had falsified his driver log.

 

As of this date, no ties to Israeli intelligence have been made. [The Mercury 10\/17\/01]

 

Then, of course, there was the \"Art Scandal.\"

 

It seems that Israeli ëart studentsí - Israelis posing as ëart studentsí selling their art [actually made in China], - were suspected of spying for Israel. They were detained by the FBI and later deported to Israel on account of visa violations. The FBI first took notice of them in January of 2001.

 

A highly detailed DEA report that was acquired by French intelligence analysts documented 180 cases of Israeli art students infiltrating DEA facilities. It provided names, drivers' license numbers, addresses and phone numbers of the Israelis. [DEA report 6\/01; Insight 3\/11\/02]

 

Despite official confirmations of the report, other U.S. officials denied its existence. In response, Intelligence Online released the document to CreativeLoafing.com who published it on the Internet for the public. [DEA report 6\/01] The Associated Press also reported that it had a copy [AP 3\/9\/02] The report acknowledged that the art students 'may well be an organized intelligence-gathering activity.' [DEA report 6\/01; AP 3\/5\/02; Sun Sentinel 3\/7\/02]

 

Bill Carter, a spokesman for the FBI, said, 'After an agency reported suspicious activities by those so-called students, the FBI conducted an investigation and determined that there was no credence to the assumption that this was an Israeli spying operation. None of the Israelis were charged with espionage and they were all deported by the INS for visa violations.' [Forward 3\/15\/02]

 

Now, here is where things get VERY INTERESTING!

 

You see, five of the so-called Israeli Art Students that weren't really art students, had been living at 4220 Sheridan St in Hollywood, Florida.

 

What is so interesting about that address?

 

It just so happens that four of the five so-called 9\/11 hijackers that were on AA Flight 11 [Mohammed Atta, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, Walid and WaÔl Al- Shehri] and one of the five hijackers [Marwan Al-Shehhi] from UA Flight 175 had at one time or another also resided in Hollywood, Florida.

 

Where in Hollywood?

 

Why, it just happens that Mohammed Atta, the presumed lead hijacker had lived at 3389 Sheridan St, only a few blocks away from the Fake Israeli Art Students! [Le Monde 3\/5\/02; Reuters 3\/5\/02; Jane's Intelligence Digest, 3\/15\/02; Salon, 5\/7\/02]

 

Well, don't that just beat all! And to think, Florida Senator Bob Graham was having breakfast with Pakistani ISI chief <http:\/\/www.cassiopaea.org\/cass\/mahmoud_ahmed.htm<\/a>>Mahmoud-Ahmad on the morning of September 11 - the same ISI chief who was later linked to Mohammed Atta by virtue of the fact that he transferred a LOT of money to the guy.

 

Hmmm... I smell a rat somewhere!

 

Of course, the Israelis have a good reason for this: they were \"investigating terrorists!\" We are assured by German news sources that: 'between December 2000 and April 2001 a whole horde of Israeli counter-terror investigators, posing as students, followed the trails of Arab terrorists and their cells in the United States. In their secret investigations, the Israelis came very close to the later perpetrators of Sept. 11. In the town of Hollywood, Florida, they identified the two former Hamburg students and later terror pilots Mohammed Atta and Marwanal-Shehhi as possible terrorists. Agents lived in the vicinity of the apartment of the two seemingly normal flight school students, observing them around the clock.' [Der Spiegel 10\/1\/02]

 

I guess they didn't observe them \"around the clock\" enough to see when they were getting on those planes that were hijacked. A failure of intelligence? What's more, this truly pathetic \"explanation\" doesn't explain the joy of the Israelis at the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers, nor why Bob Graham was <http:\/\/www.cassiopaea.org\/cass\/mahmoud_ahmed.htm<\/a>>having breakfast with the guy who paid off Mohammed Atta...

 

Well, it gets deeper: In addition to the close proximity of the Israeli ëart studentsí to the Florida-based hijackers, other ëart studentsí in Texas, California, and Arkansas were operating close to several of the other hijackers suspected of taking part in the 9-11 attacks. [DEA report 6\/01]

 

And if that doesn't just crumble your cookies, how about the fact that six of the students had mobile phones that had been purchased by a former Israeli vice consul in the U.S.? [Le Monde 3\/5\/02]

 

The passports of the students revealed that they had been visitors in several different countries including, Thailand, Laos, India, Kenya, Central and South America, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands and Canada. [Insight 3\/11\/02]

 

In spite of the findings of the DEA report, the students were deported back to Israel on account of visa violations. [AP 3\/5\/02]

 

Now, let me try to understand this: at that point in time when every single American citizen was subject to being a suspected terrorist, a gang of Israelis with \"SPY\" practically branded on their foreheads, were simply shipped home with NO QUESTIONS ASKED?!

 

EXCUUUSE ME?!

 

We had to stand in line for four hours - with our dog and children - at the Miami Airport to have our luggage searched by hand, to be scanned, inspected, questioned, suspected, and in every way insulted by privacy violations - and these thugs just went home to do the happy dance?

 

Is the U.S. government complicit in Israeli spying activities? Are the Israelis spying on Americans with the permission of America's own elected officials? Ooops! sorry. Lost my head. I forgot for a moment and thought we had elected officials. Now I remember: America is the new Banana Republic with fixed elections, courtesy of the Bush gang. Well, anyway, back to the problem at hand: It just so happens that Israeli suspects appear to know when they are being investigated.

 

In several investigations of Israeli suspects, the suspects quickly modified their behavior after U.S. enforcement agencies began wiretapping them. This suggests that the suspects may have known that they were being monitored. [Fox News 12\/12-13\/01]

 

In other words, either somebody very high in the U.S. government is warning them when those silly lower level bureaucrats get nosey. Either that, or there is a major mole in the U.S. intelligence services.

 

According to Executive Intelligence Review, 'A well-placed Washington source has alerted EIR that there is growing suspicion among U.S. government law enforcement and intelligence agencies that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has dispatched special operations teams into North America. The warning came in the context of a discussion about the recent deportation of five Israelis who were detained on Sept. 11 for suspicious behaviorÖ

 

\"Portions of the funds garnered from the illegal operations, according to sources, are funneled to offshore bank accounts of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Some of these dirty funds were reportedly diverted to Sharon's election campaigns. This Israeli mafia apparatus receives technical support via a number of Israeli communications firms, that subcontract with major American telephone companies and government law enforcement agencies' [EIR 12\/13\/01]

 

What does seem to be true is that, in spite of the U.S. federal agency claims that \"there is no Israeli spy network,\" several of the same federal agencies have in the past year taken steps to protect themselves against espionage! It seems that things were getting mighty sticky because the U.S. Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive officially warned federal employees in March 2001 about the art students and urged them to report any contact with such art students! The warning read, 'These individuals have been described as aggressive. They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales pitch.' [Insight 3\/11\/02; AP 3\/9\/02; Forward 3\/15\/02]

 

What seems to be emerging as the obvious solution to this mystery is that there is both high level U.S. government complicity AND a major mole in the U.S. intelligence services.

 

DEA communications employees were put on alert. According to John Sugg, 'a Dec. 18 e-mail among DEA communications employees makes clear that the agency underwent self-scrutiny as the ëresult of the Fox network expose on Israeli counterintelligence activitiesí.' [Creative Loafing, Atlanta 3\/27\/02]

 

Pentagon and DOD ended practice of awarding foreign companies contracts involving sensitive projects. The World Tribune [World Tribune 3\/12\/02] reported, 'Israeli nationals could be banned from participating in U.S. defense contracts under new regulations that seek to keep foreigners out of sensitive projects.' The article revealed that these restrictions were specifically targeted at 'IT' and other 'computer-related' contracts.

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As we review our security requirements as a nation, we need to ensure all people with access to sensitive IT [information technology] systems are cleared and properly vetted for the material to which theyhave access.' \r\n\u00a0 \r\nOn December 13, 2001 the EIR's Washington Bureau Chief Bill Jones asked Colin Powell, 'There were 60 Israeli citizens who have been picked up in the post- Sept. 11 sweep, many of whom, if not all of whom, are connected to Israeli intelligence. Are you concerned about such intelligence operations on U.S. soil, and have you taken up this issue with your counterpart in Israel?' \r\n\u00a0 \r\nPowell responded: 'I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained, and I've\u00a0been in touch with the Israeli government as to the fact that they have been detained, in making sure that they have rights of access to Israeli diplomatic personnel here in the United States. With respect to why they are being detained, and the other aspects of your question, whether it's because they are in intelligence services or what things they were doing, I will defer to the\u00a0Department of Justice and the FBI to answer that; because, frankly, I deal with the consular parts of that problem, not the intelligence or law-enforcement parts of that problem.' [Fox News 12\/17\/01; EIR 12\/28\/01] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nJustice Department Susan Dryden, spokesperson, referring to the numerous articles citing the leaked DEA report, claimed, 'At this time, we have no information to support this.' [Le Monde 3\/5\/02; AP 3\/9\/02; Fox News Service 3\/5\/01]\u00a0\u00a0Ms. Dryden went even further to say that the story was 'an urban myth that has been circulating for months.\u00a0The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.' [Washington Post, 3\/6\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAccording to one independent journalist who was investigating the \u00ebart students\u00ed a CIA officer had told him, 'We\u00edve just closed the book on it. And I recommend that you do the same.' [Salon, 5\/7\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWhoa! Now what's THAT supposed to mean? Is that a threat?! Again I ask why law-abiding American citizens must submit to the loss of all their constitutional freedoms while very suggestive evidence exists that Israel may be complicit in the 9-11 attacks - from which THEY AND THE BUSH GANG ALONE BENEFITTED - is "closed" to scrutiny? \r\n\u00a0 \r\nOne official of the present administration stated that the 'evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information.' [Fox News 12\/12-13\/01] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWhich brings up the question as to why the Bush Administration is not only blocking an unbiased investigation into the events of September 11, but are also stalling on releasing the reports that HAVE been assembled? What do they REALLY have to hide? \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWell, maybe the following provides a clue: \r\n\u00a0 \r\nPro-Israeli director of the Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes wrote an op-ed piece asserting that the whole espionage story was just a \u00ebmyth.\u00ed In spite of all the above evidence, he claimed the story was baseless and amounted to little more than fodder for the \u00ebconspiracy theorists.\u00ed [New York Post 3\/11\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nCritical media coverage of investigations into Israelis has been virtually non-xistent. The major media, with the exception of Fox News, completely ignored the Israeli spy scandal. But Fox soon canned the story under pressure for pro-Israeli lobbies. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWell, that's not a surprise considering that Jews control the media in the U.S. As Kevin MacDonald has written: \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThe rise of Jewish power and the disestablishment of the specifically European nature of the U.S. are the real topics of CofC. The war to disestablish the specifically European nature of the U.S. was fought on several fronts. The main thrusts of Jewish activism against European ethnic and cultural hegemony have focused on three critical power centers in the United States: The academic world of information in the social sciences and humanities, the political world where public policy on immigration and other ethnic issues is decided, and the mass media where 'ways of seeing' are presented to the public. [...] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nBy all accounts, ethnic Jews have a powerful influence in the American media\u00f3far larger than any other identifiable group. The extent of Jewish ownership and influence on the popular media in the United States is remarkable given the relatively small proportion of the population that is Jewish. [The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements \r\n\u00a0 \r\nI guess warnings to "close the book" carry a lot of weight. Salon reported, 'Oddly, four days after the Cameron investigation ran, all traces of his report -- transcripts, Web links, headlines -- disappeared from the Foxnews.com archives. [Normally, Fox leaves a story up for two to three weeks before consigning it to the pay archive.] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAsked why the Cameron piece disappeared, spokesman Robert Zimmerman said it was \u00ebup there on our Web site for about two or three weeks and then it was taken down because we had to replace it with more breaking news. As you know, in a Web site you've got x amount of bandwidth -- you know, x amount of stuff you can put stuff up on [sic]. So it was replaced. Normal course of business, my friend.\u00ed \u00d6 \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWhen informed that Cameron's story was gone from the archives, not simply from the headline pages [when you entered the old URL, a Fox screen appeared with the message \u00ebThis story no longer exists\u00ed], Zimmerman replied, \u00ebI don't know where it is.\u00ed [Salon, 5\/7\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nLe Monde, attempted 3 times to acquire the transcripts from Fox. The requests were ignored until February 26, when Fox explained that there was some sort of \u00ebproblem\u00ed preventing them from sending it. The \u00ebproblem\u00ed was not explained. [Le Monde 3\/5\/02; see also Salon, 5\/7\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nSeveral pro-Israeli organizations put pressure on Fox to halt its probe and retract its story. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nIn response to the Fox News stories, the Israeli embassy stated the following, 'The report on Fox News contains no quoted source, it has in no way demonstrated anything more than anonymous innuendo, and should be regarded accordingly. Israel does not spy on the United States of America.' [Jerusalem Post, 5\/14\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nIn response to the DEA report that was publicized by Intelligence Online, a spokesperson at the Israeli embassy in Washington claimed, 'No one in the US is taking this story seriously. I categorically deny the claims and my embassy has received no complaints from the US. . . . I am not aware of a single Israeli who has been charged with espionage.' [Independent 3\/6\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nForward, after initially denying the allegations of an Israeli spy ring, acknowledged its existence in mid March 2002, [Forward, 12\/21\/01] but claimed, 'far from pointing to Israeli spying against US government and military facilities, as reported in Europe last week, the incidents in question appear\u00a0to represent a case of Israelis in the United States spying on a common enemy, radical Islamic networks suspected of links to Middle East terrorism.' [Forward, 3\/15\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThis, of course, begs the question as to why 9-11 occurred if the "Israeli spy-ring" was "on top of things," so to say. It also begs the question as to why individuals who are suggestively implicated in such a spy ring were doing the Happy Dance when the WTC towers fell? \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAugust 23, 2001: According to German newspapers, the Mossad gave the CIA a list of 19 terrorists living in the US and said that it appeared that they were planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the same exact 19 names as the actual hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, at least four names did refer to actual 9\/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10\/1\/02, Der Spiegel, 10\/1\/02, BBC, 10\/2\/02, Haaretz, 10\/3\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThe Mossad appears to have learned about this through their "art student" spy ring; the same "art student spy ring" that the U.S. government warned their agencies to beware. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nSo what's the story? Is there an Israeli spy ring that the U.S. is trying to circumvent? Or is there an Israeli spy ring that tries to cooperate with the U.S.? If they are cooperating, that begs the question as to why the purported "warning and list" was not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also were not passed on to the FBI. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWould that constitute a "failure of intelligence?" Or criminal negligence? The next item, however, suggests complicity. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nIt is not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar's names to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10\/1\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThese details create additional problems since Israel continues to deny that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [Haaretz, 10\/3\/02] and the US has denied knowing about Mohammed Atta before 9\/11, despite other media reports to the contrary and despite the fact that Florida Senator Bob Graham was, on the morning of September 11, 2001, having breakfast with the Pakistani ISI chief who was later directly linked to Mohammed Atta. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nNone of this matter is cut and dried. On September 10, 2001, the Army School of Advanced Military Studies issued a report written by elite US army officers, which was made public just prior to 9\/11. The report gave the following description for the Mossad: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian\/Arab act." [Washington Times, 9\/10\/01] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nHmmm... I guess that the Bush Gang didn't read that particular item of Intell. They were too busy reading the "cooked intell" that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, I guess. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAt this point, things take a strange turn. With all the questions about an Israeli Spy Ring being brought up again and again, a neat solution has been found: They aren't really Israelis! They are Islamic terrorists PRETENDING to be Israelis! \r\n\u00a0 \r\nEIR reported that a number of the Israelis that were detained after the terrorist attacks 'have been linked to suspected \u00ebIslamic\u00ed terrorist cells in southern California' [EIR 1\/11\/02] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAs it happens, we had our own experiences with a "Moving Company" with what turned out to be extremely questionable status: Globe Movers, purportedly owned by a couple named Baruch (Barry) and Megan Karpick. I will be chronicling this in an upcoming chapter of The French Connection, but let me just say that the recent months - as a consequence of this very disturbing interaction - have really made me think about the Jewish\/Islamic question in a different way. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nHere is another interesting item along that line from awhile back that ought to give us pause: \r\n\u00a0 \r\nOn January 12, 2000, 11 Islamic preachers were detained in India prior to boarding a flight headed for Dhaka, Bangladesh on suspicions of being terrorists. Although, the Indian official eventually cleared the clerics to leave, officials in Bangladesh indicated that they would not grant them visas.\u00a0 \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThe Muslims, who all had Israeli passports, were allowed to board a flight to Israel \u00f1 under Israeli pressure. An Indian intelligence analyst, Ashok Debbarma, explained to The Week, 'It is not unlikely for Mossad to recruit 11\u00a0Afghans in Iran and grant them Israeli citizenship to penetrate a network such as Bin Laden's. They would begin by infiltrating them into an Islamic radical group in an unlikely place like Bangladesh.' He added that Israel obvious concern for the men, and the haste with which they were flown back indicated a possible 'aborted operation.' [The Week, 2\/6\/00] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThere is another spin being put on the whole thing: \r\n\u00a0 \r\nIn March 2003, the U.S. State Department published a fact sheet, in which it reported, 'In the United States, approximately 80% of ecstasy seized in 2000 came from or through the Netherlands. Israeli trafficking syndicates are currently the primary source to distribution groups operating in the United States, smuggling through express mail services, via couriers aboard commercial airline flights, or more recently, through air freight shipments.' [U.S. Department of State, 3\/20\/03, also cited in the Ha\u00edaretz, 4\/6\/03] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nSo now, they could be Islamic terrorists disguised as Jews, or they could be a maverick Jewish drug ring. But in NO CASE can they possibly be Israeli spies that are spying against the U.S. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nNow, let's go back a minute to the fact that Senator Bob Graham was having breakfast with the Pakistani ISI chief on the morning of September 11, 2001. Keep in mind that this man, Mahmoud Ahmad, was later linked directly to Mohammed Atta, the purported "head terrorist" of the 9-11 attacks. With that in mind, read the following report in which Pakistan's ex spy chief "blames Mossad" for the 9-11 attacks: \r\n\u00a0 \r\nWednesday, 26 September 2001 15:05 (ET) \r\nBy ARNAUD DE BORCHGRAVE, UPI Editor at Large \r\n\u00a0 \r\nRAWALPINDI, Pakistan, Sept. 26 (UPI) -- The Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States were perpetrated by renegade U.S. Air Force elements working in conjunction with Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, according to the retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nGen. Hameed Gul, head of Inter Services Intelligence, the equivalent of a CIA-cum-FBI combination, during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, spent two weeks in the war-torn country immediately prior to Sept. 11. He has been acting as "strategic adviser" to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties. Four religious leaders left his house in the army's principal garrison town as this reporter arrived at 9:30 p.m. Tuesday. The interview lasted 90 minutes. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAlready countless millions of Muslims believe that the World Trade Center and Pentagon suicide attacks were part of a Mossad plot to force the United States into confrontation with the Muslim world. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n[Notice in the next line that what Gul is saying is pronounced to be "disinformation" that those poor, misguided Muslims will actually believe!] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nNow Gul has added a new disinformation wrinkle to the plot. And what Gul says or writes is taken at face value by religious leaders and is repeated in thousands of mosques at Friday prayers. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nIn an exclusive interview with United Press International, the fundamentalist general said it is now clear that there was also a plot by U.S. Air Force officers against the Pentagon. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n[Actually, we have been saying that almost from the beginning. See our report on The Pentagon Strike.] \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"The twin towers were first attacked at 8:45 a.m.," he said, "and four flights were diverted from their assigned air space, and yet Air Force jets didn't scramble until 10 a.m. That smacks of a small-scale Air Force rebellion, a coup attempt against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge ... This was clearly an inside job. (President) Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"(Bush) clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?" \r\n\u00a0 \r\nGul said that his friend bin Laden had sworn to him on the Koran that he was not involved. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel," Gul asked, how could bin Laden mount such a sophisticated operation? "Let's be serious," he said with a smile. "Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits," he added by asking, "Who benefits from the crime?" \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAsked why Israel would benefit, Gul replied, "Israel knows it has a short shelf-life before it is overwhelmed by demographics (and it) has now handed the (Bush administration) the opportunity it has been waiting for to consolidate America's imperial grip on the Gulf and acquire control of the Caspian basin by extending its military presence in Central Asia." \r\n\u00a0 \r\n[...] Bush 43 doesn't realize he is being manipulated by people who understand geopolitics. He is not leading but being led. All he can do is think in terms of the wanted-dead-or-alive culture which is how Hollywood conditions the masses to think and act." \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"Bush 43" is actually Washington shorthand for distinguishing President George W. Bush from his father. President George W. Bush is the 43rd president: George Bush Sr. was the 41st. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nGul admitted that he turned against America when the United States walked away from Afghanistan following the Soviet withdrawal in 1989. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"We were all pro-American (during the war) but then America left us in the lurch and everything went to pieces, including Afghanistan." \r\n\u00a0 \r\n[...] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAsked to consider the possibility that bin Laden -- or OBL as he is referred to in Pakistani conversations -- was lying to him and is indeed guilty as charged by the United States, Gul said, "If Taliban are given irrefutable evidence of his guilt, I am in favor of a fair trial. In America one is entitled to a jury of peers. But he has no American peers. The Taliban would not object, in the event of a prima face case, to an international Islamic court meeting in The Hague. They would extradite Osama to the Netherlands." [United Press International] \r\n\u00a0 \r\nThis abbreviated collection of data (believe me, there is a TON of material out there on this subject) does seem to support the idea that MOSSAD may, indeed, have been responsible for the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center and that the Bush Reich was not only complicit in ordering the U.S. military and intelligence services to "stand down," but that they were directly involved in the plot as the evidence of the link between Bob Graham and Mahmoud Ahmad demonstrates. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nAnd, of course, though each group is playing the other as in Spy vs. Spy, there are many things that Israel ought to consider in the volatile climate of burgeoning anti-Semitism around the world. \r\n\u00a0 \r\nNever mind that Bush and Co, and American Intell organizations have been stirring the pot for years. Just as people were "angry" and wanted an "answer" to 9-11, what kind of answer will be given when the heat is turned up on the Bush Reich? Just imagine what would happen if suddenly, all the fingers pointed to Israel and MOSSAD as the masterminds of Global Terrorism? \r\n\u00a0 \r\nhttp:\/\/www.cassiopaea.org\/cass\/globemovers.htm","author":"The Shadow","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 14:39:21","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:04","fileurl":""},{"id":64109,"heading":"Huh?","article":"I understood that binladin and alquaeda had already said that they did 9-11 and that alquaeda had made the threats that show that it obviously must be a terrorist organization.\r\n\r\ndid this not happen or is it some big fraud?\r\nwhere is alquaeda and why isnt it trying to clear its name?","author":"Scottie","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 22:11:24","modified":"2003-06-10 22:11:24","fileurl":""},{"id":64111,"heading":"What I don't understand...","article":"...is how anyone can consider cassiopaea.org a credible soource of information.\r\n\r\nThe only thing they have that I believe is the "http", and I'm not 100% sure of that.","author":"daveman","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 22:17:56","modified":"2003-06-10 22:17:56","fileurl":""},{"id":64135,"heading":"I stand in awe of the power and sweep...","article":"...of the masterful refutation offered by the shills. NOT! \r\nROFL!\r\n\r\nScoottie poses a ridiculous question.\r\n\r\nDavie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data.\r\n\r\nPathetic.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 01:48:26","modified":"2003-06-11 01:48:26","fileurl":""},{"id":64150,"heading":"Silly","article":""Davie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data. "\r\n\r\nVery, very weak assertion. In this day and age of easily built and posted vanity websites where virtually anyone can type thier personal delusions (rense\/whatreallyhappened\/ etc. etc.) and have scads of lemmings read and regurgitate the drivel, attacking the source is the FIRST and FOREMOST tactic that should be employed. If the source can withstand that then on to the next level.\r\n\r\nDio, just because someone, somewhere, typed something that coincides with one of your fantasies, does not make it gospel.\r\n\r\nPosting articles from clearly dubious sorces whose credibility BEGS to be attacked is a very common tactic of Dio and his flock. Once the mandatory attack commences and the nonsense is dispatched, Dio will then claim that as some sort of proof of the original article. After all, why would the "shills" need to attack the source if they didn't already know that the story was true.\r\n\r\nPost SOMETING from a credible source and maybe you won't be so lambasted you pultroon.","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 04:20:14","modified":"2003-06-11 04:20:14","fileurl":""},{"id":64202,"heading":"Oh, frescaw...","article":"...it's spelled "poltroon". ROFL!\r\n\r\nI'm glad we have you around for Comedy Relief.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 14:19:12","modified":"2003-06-11 14:19:12","fileurl":""},{"id":64221,"heading":"ah!","article":""...it's spelled "poltroon". ROFL! "\r\n\r\nSo, this isn't the first time you've been called a poltroon","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 15:19:47","modified":"2003-06-11 15:19:47","fileurl":""},{"id":64224,"heading":"BTW","article":"Have you, of all people, actually resorted to looking for typo's, Dio?","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 15:24:34","modified":"2003-06-11 15:24:34","fileurl":""},{"id":64228,"heading":"fresca","article":"Do you actually think that anyone takes what a sexual pervert like you says seriously?","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 15:32:22","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":64282,"heading":"Since Dio skirted the issue","article":"Here it is again in all it's glory..complete with a typo for Dio to sink his teeth into..."Davie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data. " \r\n\r\nVery, very weak assertion. In this day and age of easily built and posted vanity websites where virtually anyone can type thier personal delusions (rense\/whatreallyhappened\/ etc. etc.) and have scads of lemmings read and regurgitate the drivel, attacking the source is the FIRST and FOREMOST tactic that should be employed. If the source can withstand that then on to the next level. \r\n\r\nDio, just because someone, somewhere, typed something that coincides with one of your fantasies, does not make it gospel. \r\n\r\nPosting articles from clearly dubious sorces whose credibility BEGS to be attacked is a very common tactic of Dio and his flock. Once the mandatory attack commences and the nonsense is dispatched, Dio will then claim that as some sort of proof of the original article. After all, why would the "shills" need to attack the source if they didn't already know that the story was true. \r\n\r\nPost SOMETING from a credible source and maybe you won't be so lambasted you pultroon.\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 22:54:51","modified":"2003-06-11 22:54:51","fileurl":""},{"id":64285,"heading":"Diorama","article":""Davie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data."\r\n\r\nAs if the source were worth debating on its merits?\r\n\r\nGet real. Better yet, get a real source.\r\n\r\nY'know, I almost never feel the need to debate fantasy with idiots.\r\n\r\nIt's like teaching a pig to sing...it wastes your time and and annoys the pig.\r\n\r\nYour singing lessons are cancelled, Dio.","author":"daveman","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 23:36:05","modified":"2003-06-11 23:36:05","fileurl":""},{"id":64315,"heading":"Oh, spare me","article":"Notice davie did not deny that he was attempting to discredit the article by attacking the source. He just hurls more insults. A diversion and variation on his one note Samba.\r\n\r\nQ.E.D.\r\n\r\nRead the Article decide for yourself.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 01:30:40","modified":"2003-06-12 01:30:40","fileurl":""},{"id":64367,"heading":"his last comment...","article":"was very signifigent.\nthis can be used to start another jewish slaughter. The shadows never feel the heat as policies are constructed to bring death and wealth to the designers of this madness. Thanks, The Shadow.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 17:54:55","modified":"2003-06-12 17:54:55","fileurl":""},{"id":64378,"heading":"Gimme a break, Dio...","article":"You only consider this BS article credible for two reasons:\r\n\r\n1. It holds someone besides Islamic extremists responsible for 9\/11, and\r\n\r\n2. It plays to your Jew hatred.\r\n\r\nIf cassiopeaea.crap blamed Bin Laden for 9\/11, you'd be first in line denouncing them.","author":"daveman","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 22:13:26","modified":"2003-06-12 22:13:26","fileurl":""},{"id":64387,"heading":"you mean this fine link?","article":"I knew you forgot to post it as a url so i'll do it. No problem.\r\nhttp:\/\/www.marchforjustice.com\/links.php","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 22:38:31","modified":"2003-06-12 22:38:31","fileurl":""},{"id":69089,"heading":"AntiZionazi","article":"Great article.\r\n\r\nIsrael has been caught in two false flag operations against the US before (Lavon Affair and USS Liberty) so anyone who thinks that the Israeli Zionist's would not attempt an operation like this is very naive. If you look at the number of Bush's cabinet members and advisors who have direct or indirect ties to the Zionist state, you see that we Americans must fight to regain control of our country from the Zionist invaders. ","author":"Theodore","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-02 20:55:58","modified":"2003-07-02 20:55:58","fileurl":""},{"id":69166,"heading":"scottie's bullcrap","article":">>> understood that binladin and alquaeda had already said that they did 9-11 and that alquaeda had made the threats that show that it obviously must be a terrorist organization.<<<\r\n\r\nunsubstantiated allegations.\r\n\r\ntry reading Logic for Dummies.","author":"debate coach","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-03 11:18:06","modified":"2003-07-03 11:18:06","fileurl":""},{"id":69459,"heading":"Debate idiot","article":"A recording of what is said to be Osama Bin Laden's voice has named all 19 hijackers from the terror attacks on the United States last 11 September. The Arabic satellite television channel al-Jazeera began broadcasting excerpts of a videotape featuring the voice on Monday but the full list of the hijackers was only given in a version shown on Tuesday. The fate of Bin Laden, who is accused of masterminding the attacks, is still unknown.\r\n\r\nThe BBC's Jim Muir says the video adds up to the most comprehensive, illustrated admission by al-Qaeda that it indeed perpetrated of the attack which is glorified so vividly on the tape. Excerpt from hijacker's farewell statement Timed to coincide with the anniversary, it is clearly meant to send the message that al-Qaeda is still in business, our correspondent says. \r\n\r\nAhh the BBC that evil network which always says good things about the US and the war\r\n\r\n--------------------------------------------------------\r\nhttp:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/main.jhtml?xml=\/news\/2001\/11\/11\/wbin11.xml.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Scottie","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 01:27:34","modified":"2003-07-04 01:27:34","fileurl":""},{"id":69471,"heading":"Oh gee Scootie...","article":"...are you still trying to hawk that long ago discredited CIA Video Production.\r\n\r\nA Swiss Lab called it a clear fake.\r\n\r\nClose-ups, photos available at different websites, of the Osama in the Video to known and verified Photos of Bin Laden show them to be 2 different people.\r\n\r\nThe audio track transcript released by the U.S. Government was an inaccurate translation to boot.\r\n\r\nThe German Magazine Monitor did their own translation which came out substantially differerent than the transcript published by the U.S. Government.\r\n\r\n8 hours after Monitor released their transcript the U.S. Government issued a "Revised" translation.\r\n\r\nNo one with any savvy grants that phony video any credibility.\r\n\r\nTILT\r\n\r\nPlay Again?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 02:40:28","modified":"2003-07-04 02:40:28","fileurl":""},{"id":69474,"heading":"dio","article":"Are you still on about this nonsense?\r\n\r\n"A swiss lab called it a fake"?\r\n\r\nIs that the best you have?\r\n\r\nLMAO.\r\n\r\nWhat a fucking evil moron.","author":"fresca","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 02:48:40","modified":"2003-07-04 02:48:40","fileurl":""},{"id":69476,"heading":"What a fucking evil moron.","article":"self abuse. looking into the mirror again, fresca?","author":"you got it","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 02:53:19","modified":"2003-07-04 02:53:19","fileurl":""},{"id":69502,"heading":"1","article":"This is what he says about Martyrdom operations.\r\n\r\nWe stress the importance of the martyrdom operations against the enemy - operations that inflicted harm on the United States and Israel that have been unprecedented in their history, thanks to Almighty God.\r\n\r\nWe also point out that whoever supported the United States, including the hypocrites of Iraq or the rulers of Arab countries, those who approved their actions and followed them in this crusade war by fighting with them or providing bases and administrative support, or any form of support, even by words, to kill the Muslims in Iraq, should know that they are apostates and outside the community of Muslims.\r\n\r\nIt is permissible to spill their blood and take their property.\r\n\r\nAre you saying this guy would not want to comit 9-11\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n"","author":"Scottie","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 05:31:58","modified":"2003-07-04 05:31:58","fileurl":""},{"id":69503,"heading":"And","article":"He said\r\n"Australia was warned about its participation [in the war] in Afghanistan and its ignoble contribution to the separation of East Timor [from Indonesia]. But it ignored this warning until it was awakened by the echoes of explosions in Bali. Its government subsequently pretended, falsely, that its citizens were not targeted." \r\n" "So the Muslim nation begins to attack you with its children, who are committed before God to continue the jihad, by word and by the sword, to establish justice and eradicate injustice, for as long as their hearts continue to beat.\r\n\r\n"Finally, we pray to God to aid us that His religion might triumph, and pursue the jihad unto death, so as to merit His mercy." ","author":"Scottie","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 05:33:46","modified":"2003-07-04 05:33:46","fileurl":""},{"id":69509,"heading":"and","article":"If osama is a CIA agent why is al jazera (even less in the US's pocket than just about any source you could be using) showing his stuff and why is it not more useful for the US. For example why didn't he convince the Muslim world he is evil and anti Islam somehow just before the Iraq war in your "so called "fake" tape...?\r\nIn general the tape seemed to do little except to cause some liberal media to jump up and down about the failure of the US to capute him. Now the US has two missing but wanted men it would be good for their PR to knock off at least one of them","author":"Scottie","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 08:10:18","modified":"2003-07-04 08:10:18","fileurl":""},{"id":69516,"heading":"scottie is an asshole","article":">>what is said to be Osama Bin Laden's voice >>:\r\n\r\nah ha,said to be...\r\n\r\nquite poor as evidence,wouldn't you say?\r\n\r\nsaid to be by whom?\r\n\r\n\r\nfuck off assmole.","author":"scottie is an asshole","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 10:35:03","modified":"2003-07-04 10:35:03","fileurl":""},{"id":69520,"heading":"Dio the Hippo","article":""Davie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data. \r\nPathetic."\r\n\r\n"Well if the NY Times...\r\nby Diogenes \u2022 Monday June 30, 2003 05:34 PM\r\n...says it then it must be true. Just ask Jayson Blair."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/06\/68790_comment.php#68804\r\n\r\nDio<----------Hypocrite of the Highest Order\r\n\r\n","author":"pointer","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 10:46:59","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:34","fileurl":""},{"id":69525,"heading":"scottie is an asshole","article":">>The BBC's Jim Muir says the video adds up to the most comprehensive, illustrated admission by al-Qaeda that it indeed perpetrated of the attack which is glorified so vividly on the tape. >>\r\n\r\nmuir's allegation is unsubstantiated.\r\n\r\ntry reading Logic for Dummies.","author":"scottie is an asshole\/2","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:06:43","modified":"2003-07-04 11:06:43","fileurl":""},{"id":69528,"heading":"(wheeze!) cough cough (gasp!)","article":""muir's allegation is unsubstantiated."\r\n\r\nOrganize!\r\n","author":"debate coach","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:10:07","modified":"2003-07-04 11:10:07","fileurl":""},{"id":69533,"heading":"scottie is an asshole\/3","article":">>This is what he says <<:\r\n\r\nunsubstantiated allegation.\r\n\r\ntry reading Logi c for Dummies.","author":"debate coach","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:14:44","modified":"2003-07-04 11:14:44","fileurl":""},{"id":69538,"heading":"scottie is an asshole\/4","article":">>>He said \r\n"Australia was warned about its participation [in the war] in Afghanistan and its ignoble contribution to the separation of East Timor [from Indonesia]. But it ignored this warning until it was awakened by the echoes of explosions in Bali. Its government subsequently pretended, falsely, that its citizens were not targeted." \r\n" "So the Muslim nation begins to attack you with its children, who are committed before God to continue the jihad, by word and by the sword, to establish justice and eradicate injustice, for as long as their hearts continue to beat. \r\n\r\n"Finally, we pray to God to aid us that His religion might triumph, and pursue the jihad unto death, so as to merit His mercy." <<<:\r\n\r\n"he said":\r\n\r\nunsubstantiated allegation.\r\n\r\ntry reading Logic for dummies.\r\n\r\n","author":"scottie is an asshole\/4","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:20:32","modified":"2003-07-04 11:20:32","fileurl":""},{"id":69541,"heading":"sphere","article":""This is what he says about Martyrdom operations. \r\nWe stress the importance of the martyrdom operations against the enemy - operations that inflicted harm on the United States and Israel that have been unprecedented in their history, thanks to Almighty God. \r\nWe also point out that whoever supported the United States, including the hypocrites of Iraq or the rulers of Arab countries, those who approved their actions and followed them in this crusade war by fighting with them or providing bases and administrative support, or any form of support, even by words, to kill the Muslims in Iraq, should know that they are apostates and outside the community of Muslims. \r\nIt is permissible to spill their blood and take their property. \r\nAre you saying this guy would not want to comit 9-11 \r\nHe said \r\n"Australia was warned about its participation [in the war] in Afghanistan and its ignoble contribution to the separation of East Timor [from Indonesia]. But it ignored this warning until it was awakened by the echoes of explosions in Bali. Its government subsequently pretended, falsely, that its citizens were not targeted." \r\n" "So the Muslim nation begins to attack you with its children, who are committed before God to continue the jihad, by word and by the sword, to establish justice and eradicate injustice, for as long as their hearts continue to beat. \r\n"Finally, we pray to God to aid us that His religion might triumph, and pursue the jihad unto death, so as to merit His mercy." \r\nIf osama is a CIA agent why is al jazera (even less in the US's pocket than just about any source you could be using) showing his stuff and why is it not more useful for the US. For example why didn't he convince the Muslim world he is evil and anti Islam somehow just before the Iraq war in your "so called "fake" tape...? \r\nIn general the tape seemed to do little except to cause some liberal media to jump up and down about the failure of the US to capute him. Now the US has two missing but wanted men it would be good for their PR to knock off at least one of them\r\n\r\nunsubstantiated allegation"\r\n\r\ncircle\r\ncircle going nowhere\r\ncircle stuck in neutral\r\n","author":"scottie 5 -10,000","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:24:45","modified":"2003-07-04 11:24:45","fileurl":""},{"id":69544,"heading":"daveman is an asshole","article":">>this BS article <<:\r\n\r\nunsubstantiated allegation:\r\n\r\ntry reading Logic for Dummies.\r\n","author":"circle","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 11:28:04","modified":"2003-07-04 11:28:04","fileurl":""},{"id":69553,"heading":"daveman is an asshole","article":"WHY is cassiopaea.org not credible?","author":"circle","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 12:07:49","modified":"2003-07-04 12:07:49","fileurl":""},{"id":69559,"heading":"Dio the Hippo","article":"Diogenes - "Davie attacks the source - a debate tactic used when you cannot refute the data. \r\nPathetic." \r\n\r\n"Well if the NY Times... \r\nby Diogenes \u2022 Monday June 30, 2003 05:34 PM \r\n...says it then it must be true. Just ask Jayson Blair." \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/06\/68790_comment.php#68804 \r\n\r\nDio<----------Hypocrite of the Highest Order \r\n","author":"pointer","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-04 12:23:19","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:34","fileurl":""},{"id":69570,"heading":"sheepdog is an asshole","article":"<>You seem to think it is unproven that he has ever said anything<<:\r\n\r\nexactly right.","author":"who needs scottex","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 10:25:40","modified":"2003-07-05 10:25:40","fileurl":""},{"id":69864,"heading":"bush admirer take yer meds","article":"...and relax:your friend in the white coats are comin'.","author":"bush admirer take yer meds","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-05 12:58:45","modified":"2003-07-05 12:58:45","fileurl":""},{"id":77612,"heading":"paradox","article":"get a life","author":"smartcamel","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-18 22:35:11","modified":"2003-08-18 22:35:11","fileurl":""},{"id":77633,"heading":" so twisted and bitter.","article":" so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter\r\nOOOPs. poked this fork in my eye.\r\nsorry. ooww!","author":" so twisted and bitter.","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-18 23:36:15","modified":"2003-08-18 23:36:15","fileurl":""},{"id":77649,"heading":"So twisted and bitter","article":">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\r\n*twinkle toes* aka 'large Mouth Bastard' aka 'mr. wilson'\r\n\r\nI visit here for several reasons: to keep up with the ideas espoused by the Left, to remind myself why I'm glad I don't live in California, and to have fun. You guys are vastly entertaining. My current profession is of no concern to you; it pays well and offers many different rewards.\r\n\r\n>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\r\n\r\nso twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter. so twisted and bitter \r\nOOOPs. poked this fork in my eye. \r\nsorry. \r\nToo bad the humor is wasted on these yo-yos. \r\n[Lefties\/annies scum popping finger poking green toothed drooling dull eyed dirt for brains stinking ugly pig sticking california bastards] are notoriously lacking any sense of humor. \r\nProbably why they're so twisted and bitter.\r\n","author":"so twisted and bitter.","parent_id":64049,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-19 02:05:13","modified":"2003-08-19 02:05:13","fileurl":""}]}