{"article":{"id":63666,"heading":"The FReeper Illusion of Support","author":"Anti-Matrix","created":"2003-06-07 20:09:06","modified":"2003-06-13 13:20:57","last_modified":"Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:20:57","article":"

FReeping is about creating a false online reality. FReepers visit online polls and revote hundreds of times in an effort to create the illusion of a public consensus that does not exist. FReepers post in the names of others in order to create a perception of their targets that is false. FReepers post using multiple identities, responding to their own messages, in order to create the illusion that their views are popular. This is all about a virtual reality created to suit their own interests and to deny you a true understanding of a reality that would prompt you to work against them.

I write not hypothetically, but based on experience. I've run many Internet forums and I have tracked the behavior of FReepers. IndyMedia may find that each of the named \"individuals\" uses a specific IP address, but further investigation will show that most of them are proxies.

Don't waste your time discussing anything with Eric, KOBE SBM, et al...

It's all a sham. You could better spend your time responding to honest commentary, writing and publishing articles, or even just taking an honest dump.

This illusion of the FReeper is just one part of the overall effort to pull the wool over your eyes. For more information into the Neo-Con virtual reality, read this article:

http:\/\/politics.guardian.co.uk\/iraq\/comment\/0<\/a>,12956,970749,00.html

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/politics.guardian.co.uk\/iraq\/comment\/0,12956,970749,00.html","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Fresca, Daveman, KOBE SBM, Eric, Rational Normal Person, Concerned Liberal, ...\r\n\r\nThey're all the same person.","numcomment":64,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/06\/63666.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":63669,"heading":"FReepers follow in the tradition of Bush.","article":"Read this article:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.antiwar.com\/justin\/j060603.html\r\n\r\nFReepers are following closely behind their leaders. Big liars are followed by little liars.","author":"Andy","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 20:26:31","modified":"2003-06-07 20:26:31","fileurl":""},{"id":63673,"heading":"You're a paranoid individual, Andy.","article":"There's no way only one person could have the free time it takes to come here and hammer you liberals into meal like we do.\r\n\r\nThe truth is, we're a group of well trained disinformation agents out winning the the war one mind at the time. We've got unlimited resources at our disposal, all financed by YOUR tax dollars (assuming you do indeed pay taxes).\r\n\r\nAnd we sleep in shifts.","author":"Eric","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:00:40","modified":"2003-06-07 21:00:40","fileurl":""},{"id":63674,"heading":"frescaw and Airic...","article":"...are definitely the same person. Don't know about the others - they are not used often enough for the slip ups to tie them together.\r\n\r\nHowever, I would wager a rather large sum on frescaw and Airic being the same person. I won't say what gave it away but once I spotted it things became clearer.\r\n\r\nBesides, hopefully, it will drive em' crazy trying to figure it out how I was able to tell.\r\n\r\nI do like debating the trolls though. It allows me to test strategies for disarming their latest spin.\r\n\r\nNot that it is a true debate as they have a specific hidden agenda and will only deviate so far. Gotta earn that paycheck.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:06:33","modified":"2003-06-07 21:06:33","fileurl":""},{"id":63676,"heading":"I'll take you up on that bet.","article":"I'm certain that Fresca would like a piece of the action also.\r\n\r\nWhen and where? Put your money where your mouth is.","author":"Eric","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:19:17","modified":"2003-06-07 21:19:17","fileurl":""},{"id":63680,"heading":"Personally...","article":"I think Fresca, Diogenes, Simple Simon, and Bush Admirer are one and the same.\r\n\r\nBut that's just me. It really doesn't matter who's who.\r\n\r\nOnly, who says what.","author":"in the know","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:28:35","modified":"2003-06-07 21:28:35","fileurl":""},{"id":63684,"heading":"they smell different","article":"but it's the same shit.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:38:17","modified":"2003-06-07 21:38:17","fileurl":""},{"id":63685,"heading":"This is rich","article":""it will drive em' crazy "\r\n\r\n"'em" - - - - plural.\r\n\r\n\r\nWay to go jackass.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:40:18","modified":"2003-06-07 21:40:18","fileurl":""},{"id":63686,"heading":"Btw","article":"I am not Eric, I am daveman.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:40:43","modified":"2003-06-07 21:40:43","fileurl":""},{"id":63687,"heading":"It might be valid to use the plural in cases of MPD.","article":"The kindest interpretation of their psychotic behavior would be that this "individual" suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder. I bet when he's not online, he can hear all of those voices in his head reassuring each "other."","author":"Andy","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:43:03","modified":"2003-06-07 21:43:03","fileurl":""},{"id":63694,"heading":"Hey Andy","article":"If "we" are such a "psycotic" lot, why are you responding to "us".\r\n\r\nQuiet now, I think Nurse Ratchet is calling you.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 21:52:55","modified":"2003-06-07 21:52:55","fileurl":""},{"id":63702,"heading":"I once dated Fresca.","article":"I dumped her when I found out she had a rare sexual disease caused by copulating police horses.","author":"Mary Jane","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 22:09:01","modified":"2003-06-07 22:09:01","fileurl":""},{"id":63706,"heading":"hmm","article":""I dumped her when I found out she had a rare sexual disease caused by copulating police horses."\r\n\r\nNow by that do you mean that the disease was caused by "copulating police horses" in and of themselves or by copulating WITH police horses.\r\n\r\nI've often wondered myself.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-07 22:20:30","modified":"2003-06-07 22:20:30","fileurl":""},{"id":63768,"heading":"Even in we...","article":"...ARE all the same person (which we're not, for the record), you folks are STILL intellectually outnumbered.","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-08 10:25:24","modified":"2003-06-08 10:25:24","fileurl":""},{"id":63821,"heading":"ummm","article":"dazemon: wut 4 u tink dat? i & udders b uv +teligens\r\n\r\nu may b uv -ferior programmable software, oops sorry.\r\n\r\n","author":"cuzin it","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-08 19:48:48","modified":"2003-06-08 19:48:48","fileurl":""},{"id":63827,"heading":"Freepers unite!","article":"Hey why aren't I part of this conspiricy also??\r\n\r\nI can take all the odd hours of night\r\n\r\nconsidering all of the numerous topics we have been debating on here I think that this single freeper must be pretty damn smart to have all of you guys in knots all by himself. \r\n\r\nIf he is that smart maybe you should listen to him.\r\n","author":"Scottie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-08 20:57:34","modified":"2003-06-08 20:57:34","fileurl":""},{"id":63855,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"I don't see any conspiricy.....these lackeys are too fuckin' stupid for anyone to pay them for what they spew around here...especially Caveman....and Caducada (AKA Fresca)...too busy pluckin' Republican dick hairs from her teeth to matter one fuckin' bit...but the funny part...the REALLY FUNNY PART is that she thinks she knows what the fuck she is talkin' about....fully fuckin' laughably delusional...","author":"KPC","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 04:04:33","modified":"2003-06-09 04:04:33","fileurl":""},{"id":63858,"heading":"well we are all one?","article":"so that is the solution to the problem of the opposition viewpoint?\r\n\r\nMr\/Mrs\/Ms Anti-Matrix you said....\r\n\r\n"FReeping is about creating a false online reality"\r\n\r\n"FReepers visit online polls and revote hundreds of times "\r\n\r\n"FReepers post using multiple identities"\r\n\r\netc...........\r\n\r\nYou are trying to tell us there is just ONE FReeper ( what the hell is a FReeper?) and he or she is doing all you say?...\r\n\r\nYou are trying to tell us that the WHOLE opposition to your and the hundreds of (maybe thousands or even millions) of people who share your political ideology is just ONE PERSON!!!!! using MULTIPLE identities and a few PROXY servers?????\r\n\r\nThis sounds like the ending to the Wizard of Oz... You really believe one person is and I quote:- ""Fresca, Daveman, KOBE SBM, Eric, Rational Normal Person, Concerned Liberal, ... They're all the same person.""\r\n\r\nSo by your own admission JUST ONE PERSON! is holding back the scum of the earth who advocate anarchy... \r\n\r\nYes, I believe you!\r\n\r\n","author":"Rational Normal Person","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 04:49:30","modified":"2003-06-09 04:49:30","fileurl":""},{"id":63868,"heading":"cuzin it & KFC","article":"cuzin it: Care to try that one more time in English?\r\n\r\nKFC: Wow, your mastery of debate skills and logic leave me writhing in the crushing grip of reason. ","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 10:40:52","modified":"2003-06-09 10:40:52","fileurl":""},{"id":63897,"heading":"To Rational Abnormal Sheeple...","article":"Who says they are holding us back?\r\n\r\nFrankly I find you Freeper Creeps amusing.\r\n\r\nYou are so fucking stupid that you think everybody else is as stupid as you are. Ha, ha, ha,...\r\n\r\nI like having you Clowns around. It Telegraphs the Official Spin Line.\r\n\r\nIt's like having your very own retarded Stool Pigeon.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 12:44:51","modified":"2003-06-09 12:44:51","fileurl":""},{"id":63902,"heading":"Wow.","article":"Being called "stupid" by Dio.\r\n\r\nThat has all the impact of a gnat travelling at 12 millimeters per hour.\r\n\r\nOf course, we are only "stupid" because we disagree with him.","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 12:57:36","modified":"2003-06-09 12:57:36","fileurl":""},{"id":63952,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Caveman: "KFC: Wow, your mastery of debate skills and logic leave me writhing in the crushing grip of reason. "\r\n\r\nWell, it don't take much obviously...\r\n\r\n\r\n....plagerizing Calvin & Hobbes for your zingers, huh?\r\n\r\n...fuckin' looser!","author":"KPC","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 21:27:50","modified":"2003-06-09 21:27:50","fileurl":""},{"id":63955,"heading":"Caveman!","article":"Me anti-fascist.\r\nYou fascist.\r\n","author":"Annie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-09 22:11:58","modified":"2003-06-09 22:11:58","fileurl":""},{"id":63974,"heading":"Annie","article":"Have you ever considered that it is possible there could be two people having a debate and neither is a facist?\r\n\r\nor to take another tack...define a facist.... you seem to be having some difficulty with the term","author":"Scottie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 01:13:35","modified":"2003-06-10 01:13:35","fileurl":""},{"id":63977,"heading":"No Davie...","article":"...you would still be stupid.\r\n\r\n"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?\r\nFour. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."\r\n--- Abraham Lincoln","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 01:21:46","modified":"2003-06-10 01:21:46","fileurl":""},{"id":64005,"heading":"KFC, Dijonnaise, and Li'l Orphan Annie","article":"KFC: there is more wisdom is a single panel of C&H than in your entire head.\r\n\r\nDio: Boy, that quote-of-the-day toilet paper is really paying off, isn't it?\r\n\r\nAnnie: Yeah, you seem to toss that term around quite a bit.\r\n\r\nWAITRESS: Here's your order, ma'am.\r\nANNIE: I ordered that on whole wheat, you fascist!\r\n\r\nDENTIST: Looks like you're going to need a root canal.\r\nANNIE: No, I don't, you fascist!\r\n\r\nMOM: When can I expect a grandbaby, Annie?\r\nANNIE: Stay out of my life, you fascist!","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 08:46:09","modified":"2003-06-10 08:46:09","fileurl":""},{"id":64024,"heading":"Bush Admirer","article":"Bend over, you cum dumpster.","author":"Katalyst","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 12:32:12","modified":"2003-06-10 12:32:12","fileurl":""},{"id":64025,"heading":"Saddam was not a fascist.","article":"Saddam was a cryto-Stalinist. I ask you, what is your definition of fascism?","author":"Annie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 12:44:38","modified":"2003-06-10 12:44:38","fileurl":""},{"id":64033,"heading":"The Shills are back to working overtime...","article":"...now that the last wave of Spam attacks seem to have been blocked - for now. I know they'll look for another tactic - Free Speech drives them berserk. People might actually learn the truth and be outraged.\r\n\r\nCan't stir up the Sheeple you know.\r\n\r\nShut up and keep grazing.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 13:20:22","modified":"2003-06-10 13:20:22","fileurl":""},{"id":64070,"heading":"Bush = Fascist","article":"Your definition fits Bush perfectly.","author":"Annie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 17:40:22","modified":"2003-06-10 17:40:22","fileurl":""},{"id":64087,"heading":"let us compare","article":"Ill give 1 point per section of the definition to the person who best fits the description.\r\n\r\n---------------A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, \r\n\r\nsurely noone denies that sadam is a dictator. nomatter what you think of bush the USA is a democracy and you WILL have another election\r\n .\r\ntherefore sadam 1 Bush 0\r\n\r\n--------------stringent socioeconomic controls, \r\n\r\ncould you speak out against sadam? I guess nt since one guy hid in a hole in the wall for a few decades. and isnt the republican party supposed to be the party of economic freedom?\r\n\r\nsadam 2 bush 0\r\n\r\n--------------suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,\r\n\r\nsadams opposition got killed right? democrats are still alive?\r\n\r\nsadam 3 bush 0\r\n\r\n-------- and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.\r\n\r\njews in iraq got rather mistreated.. remember the show trials of the jews? I guess not .. meanwhile we have had public cases where the US govt has procecuted people BECAUSE they ae racist. \r\n\r\nsadam 4 bush 0\r\n\r\nA political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.\r\nOppressive, dictatorial control.\r\n\r\nsame as above\r\n\r\ntherefore sadam wins in this comparison.\r\nhe gets the Facist cup and 10 million liberal protestors in prize money","author":"Scottie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 18:53:16","modified":"2003-06-10 18:53:16","fileurl":""},{"id":64094,"heading":"Bush, the Fascist.","article":""A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator"\r\n\r\nThe Bush Regime has done all it can to usurp the powers of the people as defined by the Constitution. He has eliminated most of the Bill of Rights, asserts the power to hold any American without trial indefinitely, spies on his citizens, and ignores the power of the courts and the congress. Only congress can declare war, yet Bush declared war. Only the courts can try criminals, yet Bush believes he can try those he chooses to call "enemy combatants."\r\n\r\n*\r\n"stringent socioeconomic controls,"\r\n\r\nBush has created the Department of Homeland security which is hard at work deprivatizing the US. The TSA is just the first example of many to come. Soldiers are now being tapped for law enforcement roles. Spending on Military Contractors, a form of "national socialism" has skyrocketed.\r\n\r\n*\r\n\r\n"suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship,"\r\n\r\nBush is behind the Anthrax attacks. The targets of the anthrax attacks were primarily democratic leaders. The others targeted were chosen for the "tylenol" effect. Since seizing power, Bush's spokesman, Fleischer, declared that "we all must watch what we say." The FBI investigated many democratic congressmen claiming that they were leaking information. Dissidents are now targeted by the FBI with COINTELPRO programs as authorized by the unconstitutional PATRIOT act. Muslims and Arabs are being harassed by law enforcement. 13,000 are expected to be deported soon.\r\n\r\n*\r\n"and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. "\r\n\r\nNationalism is the opposite of internationalism. Bush has been the most antagonistic president towards internal instutions in our history. He is defying international law, violating the charter of the UN, assaulting the UN with claims of irrelevence, and doing all he can to avoid prosecution as a war criminal. His Regime has been marked with harassment of Arabs and Muslims.\r\n\r\n*\r\n\r\nBush meets every part of your definition of a fascist.","author":"Annie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 19:59:58","modified":"2003-06-10 19:59:58","fileurl":""},{"id":64095,"heading":"Facism","article":"My point is Sadam is a FAR better match\r\nhowever if you want to go there please define any leader in the world who you DONT think is a facist?\r\n\r\nOh and\r\n\r\n"Bush is behind the Anthrax attacks."\r\nermm haha you better have some proof to back that up. by the way are you planning on icing him personally for that or will you use your secret agents? ","author":"Scottie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 20:08:35","modified":"2003-06-10 20:08:35","fileurl":""},{"id":64099,"heading":"As an Irishman","article":""Bush is behind the Anthrax attacks."\r\n\r\nI can only say that Annie is full of the mighty craic.\r\n\r\nSod off love, you dirty tinker.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-10 20:32:00","modified":"2003-06-10 20:32:00","fileurl":""},{"id":64136,"heading":"Bush Asskisser makes ...","article":"...a career out of making absurd assertions.\r\n\r\nBush is a proven LIAR.\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED. It's that simple.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 01:51:30","modified":"2003-06-11 01:51:30","fileurl":""},{"id":64139,"heading":"anthrax","article":"funny you should mention that.\n \nAnthrax Attacks Pushed Open an Ominous Door\n By Barbara Hatch Rosenberg\n Los Angeles Times\n September 22, 2002\n\n \n\nPURCHASE, N.Y. -- On this first anniversary of the anthrax attacks, a number of conclusions can be drawn even without an arrest by the FBI. First, the strain and properties of the weaponized anthrax found in the letters show that it originated within the U.S. biodefense program, where the necessary expertise and access are found. Government officials recognized that the anthrax source was domestic less than two weeks after they learned of the letters, and nothing in their investigation has led them to say otherwise since.\n\n http:\/\/www.fas.org\/bwc\/news\/latimes09-22-02.htm","author":"sheepdog","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 02:04:17","modified":"2003-06-11 02:04:17","fileurl":""},{"id":64141,"heading":"Anthrax","article":"yeah some stupid american probably did it. maybe he was a republican maybe he was a democrat maybe he was a christian or maybe he was a muslim. maybe he was working on his own adgenda or maybe he was working for a foreign group. \r\nBut its much easier to have a conspiricy with a handful of people involved (bob did a test on anthrax.. bob grabed some anthrax bob mailed it) than it is to have a massive govt conspiricy.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 02:29:09","modified":"2003-06-11 02:29:09","fileurl":""},{"id":64142,"heading":"Bob is a terrorist","article":"And he should be in a cage. He killed a few americans and threatened millions. Bob is a bad person. No investagation on that one either, huh? Another lone nut. Call him bob.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 02:39:24","modified":"2003-06-11 02:39:24","fileurl":""},{"id":64151,"heading":"well now","article":""...a career out of making absurd assertions. \r\n\r\nBush is a proven LIAR. (absurd assertion)\r\n\r\nBUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED. (unrelated assertion)It's that simple.\r\n"\r\n\r\nThere's the pot calling the kettle black.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 04:27:26","modified":"2003-06-11 04:27:26","fileurl":""},{"id":64157,"heading":"Oh well","article":"cant catch everyone..after all sheepdog is still free.","author":"..","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 07:35:24","modified":"2003-06-11 07:35:24","fileurl":""},{"id":64175,"heading":"Still free in concentration moon","article":"I'm so popular.\r\nthanks for your support.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 12:10:32","modified":"2003-06-11 12:10:32","fileurl":""},{"id":64178,"heading":"The Sublime Absurdity","article":"frescaw accusing anyone of making absurd statements.\r\n\r\nYour vitriol is water off a ducks back.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 12:34:32","modified":"2003-06-11 12:34:32","fileurl":""},{"id":64182,"heading":"well..","article":"he truth is always "absurd" to the delusional.\r\nI suspect I'll continue to confound you.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 12:51:36","modified":"2003-06-11 12:51:36","fileurl":""},{"id":64183,"heading":"Gawd are these people stoopid","article":"For those who equate Hussein with a Fascist, let us review the record:\r\n\r\n1) Was Iraq attacking another country when the US attacked? NO\r\n\r\n2) Were huge, soulless corporations running Iraq when the US attacked? NO\r\n\r\n3) Was the Iraqi gov't spewing hate-rhetoric? NO\r\n\r\n4) Were soulless corporations runnng the US when it attacked Iraq? YES\r\n\r\n5) Was the US gov't spewing hate-rhetoric? YES\r\n\r\n6) Was the US threatened by Iraq? NO\r\n\r\n7) Did the US invade Iraq for the oil? YES\r\n\r\nDo I need to continue the comparison? One of these leaders looks like a Fascist. Which one do you think it is?","author":"Brian O'Connor","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 12:58:34","modified":"2003-06-11 12:58:34","fileurl":""},{"id":64186,"heading":"Uh, yes","article":""Do I need to continue the comparison?"\r\n\r\nUh yes Brian, you do.\r\nAs you've not only shown you have no concept of what fascism is but you've also answered your own questions incorrectly.\r\n\r\nBrian, you remain an unenlightened parrot and a moron.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 13:05:06","modified":"2003-06-11 13:05:06","fileurl":""},{"id":64191,"heading":"Let's hear it!","article":"C'mon, Fresca, let's see what u got. Which answers are wrong and why? And what is wrong with my view of Fashionism, ooops, I mean Fascism?\r\n\r\nUsually people back-up their allegations with facts, however, you don't seem to have the frontal lobe capacity to write more than two or three sentences.","author":"Brian OConnor","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 13:23:49","modified":"2003-06-11 13:23:49","fileurl":""},{"id":64194,"heading":"BS admirer","article":"'stringent socioeconomic controls' - what do you think this means?\r\n\r\nBA, when tiny minds learn thru looking things up in the dictionary, they lack all historical context and reference. For you to decry my beliefs is a joke! You don't even have basal knowledge on the subject yet you pontificate! Oh, the humanity!\r\n\r\nDidn't Rum-Tum-Rummy admit it was all about the oil? Or have you blocked that out already with your selective memory?","author":"Brian OConnor","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 13:33:15","modified":"2003-06-11 13:33:15","fileurl":""},{"id":64195,"heading":"Okay child","article":""1) Was Iraq attacking another country when the US attacked? NO \r\n\r\nSo what? Utterly irrelevant to a discussion of fascism\r\n\r\n2) Were huge, soulless corporations running Iraq when the US attacked? NO \r\n\r\nNo, A Huge Souless Fascist Dictator was ruling Iraq. \r\n\r\n3) Was the Iraqi gov't spewing hate-rhetoric? NO \r\n\r\nUh, not unless hate rhetoric qualifies as whatever was said to the THOUSANDS of people murdered and tortured by Sadam as they were executed.\r\n\r\n4) Were soulless corporations runnng the US when it attacked Iraq? YES \r\n\r\nNo. I know it sounds neat to say that but it's childish and utterly innacurate. I'll help you find all sorts of fault with huge corporations but to say they run the country is nonsense.\r\n\r\n5) Was the US gov't spewing hate-rhetoric? YES \r\n\r\nNo. Unless oberving that certain hate groups are bent on destroying us is "hate speech". Please give ANY other examples of official hate speech. And remember, words have meanings. Be specific. I won't hold my breath.\r\n\r\n6) Was the US threatened by Iraq? NO \r\n\r\nIndirectly yes. For all we know, the elusive WMD that we know for a fact were and maybe are in Iraq might alreadt be in the hands of any number of terrorists groups. And, again, utterly irrelevant to a discussion of comparitive fascism.\r\n\r\n7) Did the US invade Iraq for the oil? YES \r\n\r\nAgain, sounds neat and all and fits nicely on a poster but is innane and baseless. Please give some concrete examples of present evidence to support this buzz-phrase.\r\n\r\nThere you go Brian. \r\n\r\nDoes that clear things up for you?\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 13:43:16","modified":"2003-06-11 13:43:16","fileurl":""},{"id":64197,"heading":"Avoiding key questions","article":"Fresca,\r\n\r\nJust becuz u say something is irrelevant doesn't make it so: attacking other nations has EVERYTHING to do with Fascism.\r\n\r\nJust becuz you SAY someone is Fascist, doesn't make it true: Hussein was a bad guy, but he wasn't a Fascist while leading Iraq. A dictator, yes, just like Shrub aspires to be...\r\n\r\nFunksca, you dismiss things and dance around issues like a politician. But as far as parrots go, you are the only one I see. You could only come up with 1 or 2 sentence quips IN RESPONSE to what I posted! Ha!!!! HA AGAIN!!! Try coming up with your own ideas sometime instead of these brainfarts you let loose on all of us.","author":"Brian OConnor","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 14:02:43","modified":"2003-06-11 14:02:43","fileurl":""},{"id":64200,"heading":"frescaw avoids substantive...","article":"...assertions like the plague. It's "technique" is to ridicule and look for awkward "stumper" questions - which are usually based on false assumptions. The only thing nettlesome about frescaw is that the questions false theses require a little effort to refute in order to demonstrate the question baseless. Intentional I assure you.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 14:11:35","modified":"2003-06-11 14:11:35","fileurl":""},{"id":64220,"heading":"uh Brian?","article":""Avoiding key questions"\r\n\r\nYou asked no questions; you merely typed in some silly bumper sticker buzz phrases.\r\n\r\nAnd of course you were quickly championed by the dolt Dio.\r\n\r\nOh well, I'm here for my own amusement not to teach.\r\n\r\nI'll let you two glad-handers handle each other.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 15:18:15","modified":"2003-06-11 15:18:15","fileurl":""},{"id":64229,"heading":"fresca","article":"Do you actually think that anyone takes what a sexual pervert like you says seriously?\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 15:36:08","modified":"2004-03-09 22:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":64242,"heading":"of course they do","article":"They hang on every word.","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 17:32:07","modified":"2003-06-11 17:32:07","fileurl":""},{"id":64257,"heading":"When Ya Get Drafted","article":"\r\nDEAD KENNEDYS LYRICS\r\n\r\n"When Ya Get Drafted"\r\n\r\nAre you believing the morning papers?\r\nWar is coming back in style\r\nThere's generals here, advisors there\r\nAnd Russians nibbling everywhere\r\nThe chessboard's filling up with red\r\nWe make more profits when we blow off their heads \r\n\r\nEconomy is looking bad\r\nLet's start another war when ya get drafted \r\nFan the fires of racist hatred\r\nWe want total war when ya get drafted \r\n\r\nDrooling fingers\r\nPanic buttons\r\nPlaying with missiles like they're toys\r\nThere's easy money, easy jobs\r\nEspecially when you build the bombs\r\nThat blow big cities off the map\r\nJust guess who profits when we build 'em back up \r\nYeah, what Big Business wants Big Business gets \r\n\r\nIt wants a war when ya get drafted \r\nTrilateral Commission goonies laugh \r\nand scheme for more when ya get drafted \r\nCall the Army!\r\nCall the Navy!\r\nStocked with kids from slums when ya get drafted \r\nIf you can't afford a slick attorney\r\nWe might make you a spy \r\n\r\nForget your demonstrations\r\nKids today sit on their ass when ya get drafted \r\nJust a six-pack\r\nAnd you're happy\r\nWe're prepared\r\nFor when ya get drafted ","author":"DK","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 20:04:00","modified":"2003-06-11 20:04:00","fileurl":""},{"id":64259,"heading":"Well, bad poetry from...","article":"...an idiot band is enough to change my whole world view.","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 20:09:16","modified":"2003-06-11 20:09:16","fileurl":""},{"id":64278,"heading":"DK lyrics more to the point...","article":"..of the leftist, humorless lemmings around here.\r\n\r\nYour mommy told you this \r\nAnd your daddy told you \r\nAlways think like this \r\nAnd never do that \r\nYou learned so many feelings \r\nBut what is there to that \r\nWhich are really yours \r\nOr are you just a copycat \r\nYou're so boring boring boring \r\nAlways tape machine recording \r\nYou're so boring boring boring \r\nI've heard all this before \r\n\r\nPlanless and mindless \r\nScraps from anywhere \r\nBunch of used parts \r\nFrom garbage pails everywhere \r\nFrankenstein became a monster \r\nJust like you \r\nYour scars only show \r\nWhen someone talks to you \r\nYou're so boring boring boring.... \r\nI've heard all this before \r\n \r\nYour emotions make you a monster \r\n\r\n\r\nI find this passage particularly succint for most of the conspiracy buffs around here.\r\n\r\n9-11 the day the muslims hit us.\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 22:39:58","modified":"2003-06-11 22:39:58","fileurl":""},{"id":64308,"heading":"This is appropriate","article":"Brain Damage\r\nPink Floyd\r\n\r\nThe lunatic is on the grass\r\nThe lunatic is on the grass\r\nRemembering games and daisy chains and laughs\r\nGot to keep the loonies on the path \r\n\r\nThe lunatic is in the hall\r\nThe lunatics are in my hall\r\nThe paper holds their folded faces to the floor\r\nAnd every day the paper boy brings more \r\n\r\nAnd if the dam breaks open many years too soon\r\nAnd if there is no room upon the hill\r\nAnd if your head explodes with dark forebodings too\r\nI'll see you on the dark side of the moon \r\n\r\nThe lunatic is in my head\r\nThe lunatic is in my head\r\nYou raise the blade, you make the change\r\nYou re-arrange me 'til I'm sane\r\nYou lock the door\r\nAnd throw away the key\r\nThere's someone in my head but it's not me \r\n\r\nAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear\r\nYou shout and no one seems to hear\r\nAnd if the band you're in starts playing different tunes\r\nI'll see you on the dark side of the moon ","author":"daveman","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 00:50:46","modified":"2003-06-12 00:50:46","fileurl":""},{"id":64332,"heading":"hi I am a schitzo","article":"thats my real name\r\nI post under daveman and eric","author":"dave eric vaughn","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 04:27:11","modified":"2003-06-12 04:27:11","fileurl":""},{"id":64335,"heading":"We know who","article":"***********************************************************\r\n\r\nAnnie, Annie, Annie\r\nby Bush Admirer \u2022 Monday June 09, 2003 05:34 PM\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nIn a word Annie, that's bullshit. \r\n\r\nYou're so far into self delusion that you need to seek counselling. \r\n\r\nBush is an honest guy. That's quite a pleasant change from his predecessor. \r\n\r\nThere is zero truth to your allegations. Get help!\r\n\r\n***********************************************************\r\n\r\n\r\nSee, "ANNIE"? No matter what name you choose, people can see that you are "special". I fucking love it, SD! Utter and complete failure.\r\n\r\n","author":"You know who","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-12 04:38:42","modified":"2013-11-11 00:23:05","fileurl":""},{"id":64520,"heading":"? for the guys","article":"May I taste your semen?\r\n\r\nwww.kobehq.com","author":"KOBE SBM","parent_id":63666,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-13 13:20:57","modified":"2003-06-13 13:20:57","fileurl":""}]}