on World Trade Center Seven.<\/b><\/font>\r\n<\/center>
\r\nWorld Trade Center Seven collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. On the contrary, it appears the collapse was due primarily due to a controlled demolition.<\/font> Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings. Before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire. \r\n
\r\nOn September 11, WTC 7 collapsed totally. It is suggested<\/i> below that this collapse was exclusively due to fire. No significant evidence is offered to back up this suggestion (after all it is only a suggestion). It should be emphasized that WTC 7 was neither hit by an aircraft nor by significant quantities of debris from the collapse of the twin towers. It is also widely claimed that WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed mainly due to fire. I emphasize, that before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire. However, on September 11, it is claimed that three steel framed skyscrapers collapsed mainly, or totally, due to fire.\r\n
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\r\n<\/center>\r\nAs you can see from the above animated-gif, the collapse of WTC 7 certainly has the appearance of a controlled demolition. But, judge for yourself, download and watch the following short video clips and a larger version of the animated-gif:\r\n
<\/font>\r\nA Video of the collapse of WTC 7.<\/a>
\r\nAnother video of the collapse of WTC 7.<\/a>
\r\nAnd another video of the collapse of WTC 7.<\/a>
\r\nAnd yet another video of the collapse of WTC 7.<\/a>
\r\nA larger (3.3 MB) version of the above animated-gif.<\/a>\r\n
\r\nIf you wish to save the small animated-gif, right click on the image and select <\/font>Save Image As from the menu. You can also view some short sequences of still shots from the videos by clicking here<\/a> (620 KB). The most obvious feature that indicates a controlled demolition, is the almost even collapse of the building. This shows that all the supports for the structure failed at the same time. Some coincidence eh? This video evidence is so compelling that no other evidence is really necessary (many thanks to www.whatreallyhappened.com<\/a> and PlaguePuppy<\/a> for the videos and animated-gifs).\r\n
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\r\nNews coverage after 1:30 p.m. showed light-colored smoke flowing out of openings on the upper floors of the south side of the building. Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating. \r\n
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\r\n<\/center>\r\nFigure 5-18 WTC 7, with a large volume of dark smoke rising from it, just visible behind WFC 1 (left). A much smaller volume of white smoke is seen rising from the base of WTC 7. Note that the lower, lighter-colored smoke (to right) is thought to be from the two collapsed towers \r\n
\r\nThis photo amply demonstrates the dishonesty of the authors of this article (and of the FEMA report generally). It must have taken them some time to find a photo as misleading as this one. But since deception is the name of the game the effort to find such pictures was made. \r\n
\r\nWhat is so deceitful about the use of this photo, you ask?\r\n
\r\nNote that the corners of various buildings in the photo line up (WFC 1 and WTC 7 line up as do the Bankers Trust building and the apartment building in the center of the photo). These corners have been marked by red dots in the aerial photograph of Manhattan below. Draw lines through these dots and where they cross is where the photo was snapped. So we see that the above photo was taken from a boat on the Hudson and that in order to see the smoke from WTC 7 we have to look through the thick smoke from the ruins of WTC 1 and WTC 2. Very deceitful indeed.\r\n
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\r\n<\/center>\r\nThe mode of fire and smoke spread was unclear; however, it may have been propagated through interior shafts, between floors along the south facade that may have been damaged, or other internal openings, as well as the floor slab\/exterior facade connections.\r\n
\r\nIt appeared that water on site was limited due to a 20-inch broken water main in Vesey Street. This is an outright lie. This is Manhattan, more fire hydrants per square meter than any other place on earth.<\/font> Although WTC 7 was sprinklered, it did not appear that there would have been a sufficient quantity of water to control the growth and spread of the fires on multiple floors. Crap, there was plenty of water. <\/font>In addition, the firefighters made the decision fairly early on not to attempt to fight the fires, due in part to the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers. The people who told the firefighters not to put out the small localized fires in WTC 7 should be held liable and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. That the decision was made because of damage to WTC 7 is a joke. The extent and severity of the damage to WTC 7 was so slight that it is still unknown to this day. If there had been major damage the authors of this article would have provided evidence of it.<\/font> Hence, the fire progressed throughout the day fairly unimpeded by automatic or manual suppression activities.\r\n
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\r\nSo we have been presented with the following absurd story:\r\n
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- Power to the Twin Towers was wired from the substation in WTC 7 through two separate systems. The first provided power throughout each building; the second provided power only to the emergency systems. In the event of fire, power would only be provided to the emergency systems. This was to prevent arcing electric lines igniting new fires and to reduce the risk of firefighters being electrocuted. There were also six 1,200 kW emergency power generators located in the sixth basement (B-6) level of the towers, which provided a backup power supply. These also had normal and emergency subsystems.\r\n
- Previous to the collapse of the South Tower, the power to the towers was switched to the emergency subsystem to provide power for communications equipment, elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, and fire pumps and safety for firefighters. At this time power was still provided by the WTC 7 substation.\r\n
- Con Ed reported that "the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9:59 a.m.". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time. \r\n
- Unfortunately, even though the main power system for the towers was switched off and WTC 7 had been evacuated, a design flaw allowed generators (designed to supply backup power for the WTC complex) to start up and resume an unnecessary and unwanted power supply.\r\n
- Unfortunately, debris from the collapse of the north tower (the closest tower) fell across the building known as World Trade Center Six, and then across Vesey Street, and then impacted WTC 7 which is (at closest) 355 feet away from the north tower.\r\n
- Unfortunately, some of this debris penetrated the outer wall of WTC 7, smashed half way through the building, demolishing a concrete masonry wall (in the north half of the building) and then breached a fuel oil pipe that ran across the building just to the north of the masonry wall.\r\n
- Unfortunately, though most of the falling debris was cold, it manages to start numerous fires in WTC 7.\r\n
- Unfortunately, even with the outbreak of numerous fires in the building, no decision was made to turn off the generators now supplying electricity to WTC 7. Fortunately, for the firefighters, someone did make the decision not to fight and contain the fires while they were still small, but to wait until the fires were large and out of control. Otherwise, many firefighters may have been electrocuted while fighting the fires.\r\n
- Unfortunately, the safety mechanism that should have shut down the fuel oil pumps (which were powered by electricity) upon the breaching of the fuel line, failed to work and fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the Salomon Smith Barney tanks on the ground floor onto the 5th floor where it ignited. The pumps eventually emptied the tanks, pumping some 12,000 gallons in all.
- Unfortunately, the sprinkler system of WTC 7 malfunctioned and did not extinguish the fires.\r\n
- Unfortunately, the burning diesel heated trusses one and two to the point that they lost their structural integrity.\r\n
- Unfortunately, this then (somehow) caused the whole building to collapse, even though before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire.\r\n<\/ol>\r\nYou must agree, it is absurd, isn't it?\r\n
<\/font>\r\nSee Chapter 5 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC Seven (with comment, 1.3 MB)<\/a> for the missing section.<\/center>
\r\n5.8 Conclusion:\r\n
\r\nThis report (the FEMA report) is a JOKE.<\/font>\r\n
\r\nFrom Chapter 5 of the FEMA WTC Report: WTC Seven<\/a> or Here<\/a>.\r\n
\r\nDownload the entire www.nerdcities.com\/guardian<\/a> site
as one 16 Megabyte file.<\/font><\/center>\r\n
\r\nFirst download the file guardian20jan03.tgz by Clicking Here<\/a> or Clicking Here<\/a> if the first link is down.\r\n
\r\nMicrosoft users will Left Click<\/font> while (depending on your browser) Linux\/Unix users should Shift Left Click.<\/font>\r\n
\r\nSave the file guardian20jan03.tgz in C drive (or some other directory of your choice).\r\n
\r\nMicrosoft users will use WinZip<\/font> to decompress the file and open up the directory structure.
\r\nLinux\/Unix users will use the command tar -zxf guardian20jan03.tgz<\/font> and
\r\nApple users will use Stuffit.<\/font>\r\n
\r\nWinZip gives an error message "Trailing garbage in GZIP file, decompression ended",<\/font> however, the files have been decompressed and everything is OK. Click OK to the error message and then Extract to finish.\r\n
\r\nYou should end up with a main directory called www.nerdcities.com with a subdirectory called guardian and further subdirectories. The directory structure has been chosen to mirror the www.nerdcities.com\/guardian website.\r\n
\r\nNow point your web browser at the main index, that is, enter the following address (URL)\r\n
\r\nC:\\www.nerdcities.com\\guardian\\index.html<\/font> or
\r\n\/www.nerdcities.com\/guardian\/index.html<\/font> for Linux\/Unix users\r\n
\r\nand you will see the usual index page for the www.nerdcities.com\/guardian website. Once you have found it, bookmark it, so that it is easy to return to. Of course, if you did not save the file in C drive (or the root directory), then these addresses will have to be adjusted by adding the name of the directory that you originally choose to save the file in, that is, it will have to be changed to something like:\r\n
\r\nC:\\original-directory-name\\www.nerdcities.com\\guardian\\index.html<\/font> or
\r\n\/original-directory-name\/www.nerdcities.com\/guardian\/index.html<\/font>\r\n
\r\nAll this is second nature to those accustomed to their operating system. Enjoy.\r\n","author":"AND WHAT ABOUT WTC SEVEN?","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-05-05 23:01:55","modified":"2003-05-05 23:01:55","fileurl":""},{"id":55818,"heading":"Yeah.....","article":"The towers were probally remotely detonated from WTC 7, then it was demolished to \r\nhide the evidence.\r\nYou would need to know what agencies did any sort of construction\/ service to the\r\ntowers or to the WTC 7 building prior to Sept 11.\r\nTo get any sort of explosives into the tower would require some sort of\r\na large operation and some sort of a clearance.\r\n\r\nps\r\nHow did you like the BS on the Pentagon getting hit (without video)\r\nand without being protected from the 6 missle batteries on the roof,\r\n'and then\r\nhaving no wreckage to determine what actually happened.\r\n Its a shame that the american is so dumb.","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-05 23:22:54","modified":"2003-05-05 23:22:54","fileurl":""},{"id":55820,"heading":"One of the more interesting anomalies...","article":"...is that Fire Fighters reached the 85th Floor of the first Tower and were radioing back situation tapes of the scene. What makes this problematic is that IF the internal fires were an inferno hot enough to melt Structural Steel (the public cover story for the collapse) then it should not have been habitable at all. However, the tapes reveal that the Firemen were taking in the situation calmly and reporting back to control and calmly making evacutation plans for the injured (who were still alive despite the supposed Steel melting inferno) all the way up to the moment the tower collapsed. \r\n\r\nIt is interesting to note that the tapes detailing the above were first denied to exist and then when there was no further denying it, the NYFD bless them balked at suppressing the information and went public with the existence of the tapes, first refused to release them and the FBI fought to prevent their release. However, pressure exerted by the NYFD, whose brothers heroism is detailed by the tapes existence, got too great to continue to deny their content.\r\n\r\n911 - What Really Happened?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-05 23:47:18","modified":"2003-05-05 23:47:18","fileurl":""},{"id":55823,"heading":"Take them down on Charges","article":"9-11\r\nwhat really happened\r\n?\r\nwe were attacked in broad daylight\r\nby the enemy. Impeachment and\r\ncriminal charges should follow.\r\n\r\nThe people of the united states\r\n, vs\r\nMembers of the Hidden Government\r\nfor:\r\nTreason Murder and War Crimes.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 00:00:39","modified":"2003-05-06 00:00:39","fileurl":""},{"id":55848,"heading":"Stop...","article":"Please....just stop this.\r\n\r\n9-11 wasn't pulled off by the CIA or the government of Israel.....IT WAS A FUCKING TERRORIST ATTACK, YOU FUCKING PINHEADS!!!!!!!!","author":"NEO","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 02:10:29","modified":"2003-05-06 02:10:29","fileurl":""},{"id":55849,"heading":"wow","article":"wow\r\ncap loc","author":"wow","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 02:13:14","modified":"2003-05-06 02:13:14","fileurl":""},{"id":55853,"heading":"So, NEO...","article":"...if you are so certain state your case.\r\n\r\nIs it based on the 19 Arab hijackers?\r\n\r\nWhose names appear on none of the passenger lists.\r\n\r\nOf which 8 have been proven to be alive.\r\n\r\nOr do you have some sort of childlike faith that the Government wouldn't lie to you?\r\n\r\nPerhaps you would like to explain how "Jet Fuel" which has a burning temperature about 800 degrees less than the Melting Point of Structural Steel melted the Steel Support Columns for the building?\r\n\r\nPerhaps you would like to exposit on the physical laws which allowed the buildings to collapse at a rate of speed as though they were in free fall?\r\n\r\nThere are a lot of questions that the "Official Conspiracy Theory" does not provide satisfactory answers too.\r\n\r\nIt is not enough to take the cop-out route and call names and assert something to be true without citing any evidence to prove your point. You are welcome to do so but you convince no one.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 02:59:07","modified":"2003-05-06 02:59:07","fileurl":""},{"id":55862,"heading":"priceless entertainment","article":""The towers were probally remotely detonated from WTC 7, then it was demolished to \r\nhide the evidence. "\r\n\r\nInsane quote of the day from a thread drowning in amazingly inane posts.\r\n\r\nLOL. You all are great. I'm so glad to have direct access to nuts like you to toy with.\r\n\r\nHonorable mention goes to Dio throwing out the doozy of "8 of the highjackers have been found to be still alive".\r\n\r\nLOVE IT!\r\n\r\nYou can't pay for this stuff!!","author":"fresca","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 03:23:11","modified":"2003-05-06 03:23:11","fileurl":""},{"id":55865,"heading":"Unlimited Ignorance fresca...","article":"...and you demonstrate it with your half witty "quip" on the hijackers. That is a fact. Do a Google on it. Of the 19 supposed hijackers that committed this crime 8 of the names Cited in the FBI listing are alive. Obviously they were not on the planes. However, I figured I had better spell it out so that you would get it. Let me know if I used too many big words for you.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 03:35:11","modified":"2003-05-06 03:35:11","fileurl":""},{"id":55866,"heading":"Well....","article":""Let me know if I used too many big words for you."\r\n\r\nActually you did. What do you mean by "supposed"?\r\n\r\nKeep 'em comin' baby. I almost feel guilty having at you nuts like this. But, what the hell? ","author":"fresca","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 03:41:08","modified":"2003-05-06 03:41:08","fileurl":""},{"id":55867,"heading":"Shame on you for spreading this garbage","article":""Of which 8 have been proven to be alive. "\r\n\r\nProve it. Point me to a single interview with any of these 'survivors'. You'd think they would wish to prove to the world that they weren't mass murderers...\r\n\r\n\r\n"Perhaps you would like to explain how "Jet Fuel" which has a burning temperature about 800 degrees less than the Melting Point of Structural Steel melted the Steel Support Columns for the building? "\r\n\r\nDiogenes is no engineer (what do you do, anyway?)\r\nAdiabatic flame temperature of Kerosene = 1727C\r\nMelting temperature of steel = 1570C\r\nIn any event, steel doesn't have to melt before it weakens enough to buckle.\r\n\r\n\r\n"Perhaps you would like to exposit on the physical laws which allowed the buildings to collapse at a rate of speed as though they were in free fall?"\r\n\r\nWhy would the rate of the fall be any different between your alleged controlled demolition and what really happened? After all, they both simply weaken columns and allow the building to collapse on itself.\r\n\r\n-----------\r\n\r\nHow can you live with yourself? Don't you feel like an idiot everytime your conspiracy theories are so easily debunked?\r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n","author":"Newton","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 03:43:38","modified":"2003-05-06 03:43:38","fileurl":""},{"id":55868,"heading":"Newton","article":"As much as I revel in your thoughtful and irrefutable debunking of this nonsense I must say this: save your breath for breathin'.\r\n\r\nThese simpletons truly believe the hogwash that they create on the fly about this and ALL other catastrophes. \r\n\r\nThat said, thanks for the post. I suspect you'll be berated long before you'll be answered. Maybe you'll get the time-honored reply of "troll!" or my personal fave, "COINTEL PRO".\r\n\r\nI should really save all these threads and publish a book. There is some great comedy floating around here.","author":"fresca","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 03:50:22","modified":"2003-05-06 03:50:22","fileurl":""},{"id":55873,"heading":"Hey XXX, Great New Link","article":"Better to spend your time here my friend.","author":"Josef","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 07:41:06","modified":"2003-05-06 07:41:06","fileurl":""},{"id":55880,"heading":"C'mon, Newton, Fresca...","article":"...you know the laws of physics don't apply on Indymedia. \r\n\r\nThat would refute too many wacko theories. \r\n\r\nCan't have that!","author":"daveman","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 09:20:44","modified":"2003-05-06 09:20:44","fileurl":""},{"id":55896,"heading":"HaHa","article":"Well, I did a little digging. How about that?\r\n\r\n-Controlled Demolition Incorporated (CDI) has long term experience in dealing with\r\n forensic investigations and criminal cases associated with explosives. Professional\r\n management of evidence, security clearances ensuring confidentiality of operations and\r\n professional integrity stand behind the Loizeaux Group\u2019s ability to respond for either the\r\n plaintiff or the defendant in a broad spectrum of cases. Reference the Alfred P. Murrah\r\n Federal building-\r\nControlled Demolition Incorporated \r\n-Loizeaux Family is best known \r\nfor its' quiet professionalism in the demolition of the bombed Alfred P\r\n. Murrah \r\nBuilding in Oklahoma City to provide closure for the people who suffered\r\n personal loss, and their charitable work for the people of Mexico City in\r\n razing-\r\nhttp:\/\/perso.club-internet.fr\/mouv4x8\/11Sept01\/A2015_c3_Controlled_Demolition_3.pdf\r\nNew York -- Phoenix, Md.-based Controlled\r\n Demolition Inc. (CDI) has developed a plan\r\n that may be used to clean up the World Trade\r\n Center (WTC) disaster. The plan, delivered on\r\n Sept. 22 to the city's Department of Design\r\n and Construction, outlines a site-wide master\r\n plan.\r\nhttp:\/\/sept11.wasteage.com\/ar\/waste_construction_company_proposes\/\r\nThis article provides important information for WTC demolition researchers, in\r\n particular because of the information about Controlled Demolition Inc., which (a)\r\n was apparently keen to have the debris removed and disposed of as soon as possible\r\n and (b) was able to come up with a detailed plan for doing so within eleven days of\r\n the collapse of the Twin Towers, suggesting that Controlled Demolition Inc. had\r\n detailed knowledge of the Twin Towers and the entire WTC complex prior to\r\n September 11th. The role of the U.S. Army in efforts to speed up the removal of the\r\n debris is also worth noting.\r\nhttp:\/\/www.serendipity.li\/wot\/debris.htm","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 10:25:04","modified":"2013-11-11 00:22:19","fileurl":""},{"id":55898,"heading":"Conspiracy Theories","article":"One of the characteristics of conspiracy theories is that they are irrefutable, by virtue of being infinitely flexible. Present a conspiracy theorist with evidence that argues against his theory, and he will explain that it actually confirms the theory. To him, evidence that appears contrary simply illustrates the conspirators' power to manipulate appearances. \r\n","author":"ct","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 10:34:41","modified":"2003-05-06 10:34:41","fileurl":""},{"id":55908,"heading":"HaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa","article":"One of the characteristics of Coincidence theories is that they are irrefutable, by virtue of\r\nbeing infinitely flexible. Present a Coincidence theorist with evidence that argues against\r\n his theory, and he will explain that it actually confirms the theory. To him, evidence that\r\nappears contrary simply illustrates the Coincidences' power to manipulate appearances.","author":"twisted echo","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 11:10:17","modified":"2003-05-06 11:10:17","fileurl":""},{"id":55909,"heading":"You didn't dig enough, Sheepdip","article":""http:\/\/sept11.wasteage.com\/ar\/waste_construction_company_proposes\/ \r\nThis article provides important information for WTC demolition researchers, in \r\nparticular because of the information about Controlled Demolition Inc., which (a) \r\nwas apparently keen to have the debris removed and disposed of as soon as possible \r\nand (b) was able to come up with a detailed plan for doing so within eleven days of \r\nthe collapse of the Twin Towers, suggesting that Controlled Demolition Inc. had \r\ndetailed knowledge of the Twin Towers and the entire WTC complex prior to \r\nSeptember 11th."\r\n\r\nNo, it doesn't. \r\nhttp:\/\/www.controlled-demolition.com\/default.asp?reqLocId=11\r\nHalf of the 17-story Sheikh A. Alakl Apartment Building in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia collapsed when portions of the new reinforced concrete facility were overloaded during final stages of construction. At the request of Bechtel, Controlled Demolition Incorporated\u2019s team mobilized to the site in less than 24 hours, prepared the central-core, flat slab, reinforced concrete structure in another 27 hours and put the balance of the building on the ground with absolute safety just 96 hours after the start of demolition preparations. \r\n\r\nCDI's preparation of plans for the WTC's debris removal in 11 days show that CDI is good at their job.\r\n\r\nRead this. These people are experts, unlike XXX or any of the links he offers.\r\n http:\/\/www.implosionworld.com\/wtc.htm\r\nDID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY \u201cIMPLODE\u201d?\r\nNo. They collapsed in an uncontrolled fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities. Although when viewed from a distance the towers appeared to have telescoped almost straight down, a closer look at video replays reveal sizeable portions of each building breaking free during the collapse, with the largest sections--some as tall as 30 or 40 stories--actually \u201claying out\u201d in several directions. The outward failure of these sections is believed to have caused much of the significant damage to adjacent structures, and smaller debris caused structural and cosmetic damage to hundreds of additional buildings around the perimeter of the site. \r\n\r\nWHY DID THEY COLLAPSE?\r\nEach 110-story tower contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space, with 18-inch steel tubes running vertically along the outside of the building. These structural elements provided the support for the building, and most experts agree that the planes impacting the buildings alone would not have caused them to collapse. The intense heat from the burning jet fuel, however, gradually softened the steel core and redistributed the weight to the outer tubes, which were slowly deformed by the added weight and the heat of the fire. Eventually, the integrity of these tubes was compromised to the point where they buckled under the weight of the higher floors, causing a gravitational chain reaction that continued until all of the floors were at ground level. \r\n\r\nDID THE TERRORISTS PLANT ANY BOMBS IN THE BUILDINGS IN ADVANCE TO GUARANTEE THEIR DEMISE?\r\nTo our knowledge there is no evidence whatsoever to support this assertion. Analysis of video and photographs of both towers clearly shows that the initial structural failure occurred at or near the points where the planes impacted the buildings. Furthermore, there is no visible or audible indication that explosives or any other supplemental catalyst was used in the attack.\r\n\r\nHOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION?\r\nThe only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions, which specifically involve the placement of charges at key points within a structure to precipitate the failure of steel or concrete supports within their own footprint. The other primary difference between these two types of operations is that implosions are universally conducted with the utmost concern for adjacent properties and human safety---elements that were horrifically absent from this event. Therefore we can conclude that what happened in New York was not a \u201cbuilding implosion.\u201d\r\n\r\n\r\nWho you gonna believe? Experts, or conspiracy theorists?","author":"daveman","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 11:13:19","modified":"2013-11-11 00:22:19","fileurl":""},{"id":55911,"heading":"TT","article":"Whoever did "Coincidence theories" just proved ct's point. Conspiracy theorists do indeed claim that evidence that argues against their theory actually proves that the conspiracy is true, that the evidence that argues against their theory was manipulated by those who are trying to cover-up what really happened. "Coincidence" by its very definition is something that suggests a causal relationship. I've read several explanations explaining the collapse of the Twin Towers because of burning fuel, but never any based upon a "coincidence". And never have I read where any of them claim someone was trying to cover something up.","author":"nyny","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-06 11:32:40","modified":"2003-05-06 11:32:40","fileurl":""},{"id":56108,"heading":"XXX","article":"...you know the laws of physics don't apply to idiots like Daveman.","author":"aws of physics don't apply to Daveman.","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-07 01:58:22","modified":"2003-05-07 01:58:22","fileurl":""},{"id":56111,"heading":"XXX","article":"Admit it, I'm smarter than YOU!!!!!","author":"daveman","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-07 02:01:34","modified":"2003-05-07 02:01:34","fileurl":""},{"id":56253,"heading":"daveman","article":"Admit it, you're a know-nothing moron!","author":"Scottie","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-07 22:35:38","modified":"2003-05-07 22:35:38","fileurl":""},{"id":56295,"heading":"daveman","article":"The above post was from XXX","author":"XXX","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-08 00:28:10","modified":"2003-05-08 00:28:10","fileurl":""},{"id":56296,"heading":"No way","article":"It was me.","author":"KOBE SBM","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-08 00:29:24","modified":"2003-05-08 00:29:24","fileurl":""},{"id":56496,"heading":"Nope","article":"Cant be.. \r\n\r\nI remember typing it.","author":"XXX","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-09 07:01:18","modified":"2003-05-09 07:01:18","fileurl":""},{"id":56511,"heading":"No way","article":"It was me.","author":"KOBE SBM","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-09 10:32:56","modified":"2003-05-09 10:32:56","fileurl":""},{"id":56520,"heading":"Usual Leftist Bullshit","article":"Those that posted and support this lame conspiracy need to get a life. Jet fuel (JP-5) running down stairwells and other openings in the floors will cause expositions on lower floors. What about all the photos of the plains flying into side of the towers are these Photoshop doctored pictures? You nut cases need to move away from the computer and head back to school, find creditable new sources.","author":"Boxcutter","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-09 10:43:11","modified":"2003-05-09 10:43:11","fileurl":""},{"id":56522,"heading":"Boxcutter","article":"Wow! I didn't know that "plains" could fly! Have you gotten your GED yet?","author":"Alex Trebeck","parent_id":55789,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-09 10:45:21","modified":"2003-05-09 10:45:21","fileurl":""}]}