{"article":{"id":54763,"heading":"1,000-2,000 TONS DU Spread Over Iraq's Cities","author":"Death","created":"2003-05-01 15:21:15","modified":"2013-11-11 00:22:13","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:22:13","article":"

1,000-2,000 TONS DU Spread Over Iraq's Cities

From Leuren Moret

4-30-3

Here is the estimate of the tons of DU the US used in Iraq: 1000-2000 tons - more than three times the amount used in the first Gulf War...only this time it was primarily spread in Iraq's cities, not on the battlefield.

 

The uranium and its radioactive decay products will remain toxic for over 4 billion years...and will slowly destroy the genetic future of the Iraqi people.

 

But the death and destruction will not be contained within the borders of Iraq. Winds will spread it throughout the Middle East and beyond. The US has carried out its omnicidal plan now on Afghanistan and Iraq...what country is next?

 

Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Kuwait, the Gulf States, and Iran will breathe the invisible war too... and they will share the fate of the Iraqi people, the caretakers of the cradle of civilization.

 

Uranium Cancer Check For Returning UK Troops

 

By Paul Brown The Guardian Weekly

 

Soldiers returning from the Gulf will be offered tests on the levels of depleted uranium in their bodies to check if they are in danger of kidney damage and lung cancer as a result of exposure, the Ministry of Defence said this week.The ministry was responding to a warning from the Royal Society, Britain's top scientific body, that soldiers and civilians might be exposed to toxic levels. It challenged assurances from the Defence Secretary, Geoff Hoon, that depleted uranium was not a risk. A ministry spokeswoman said that if soldiers followed instructions correctly and wore respirators in areas where depleted uranium might have been used they would not suffer dangerous exposure, but all would be offered urine tests. The overall results would be published. The ministry said it would also publish details of where and how much depleted uranium was used. Brian Spratt, chairman of the society's working group on depleted uranium, said: \"It is highly unsatisfactory to deploy a large amount of a material that is weakly radioactive and chemically toxic without knowing how much soldiers and civilians have been exposed to it . . . It is vital that this monitoring takes place within a matter of months.\" Experts have calculated that between 1,000 and 2,000 tonnes of depleted uranium were used by the coalition in the Iraq campaign.

 

The Guardian Weekly 20-3-0501, page 4

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"I am rubbing my hands in glee, Leukemia, Birth Deformities, and Wasting diseases. The harvest will be great. All Heil Bush!","numcomment":63,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/05\/54763.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":54766,"heading":"The Sheeple will of course ignore it.","article":"The Shills will of course downplay it.\r\n\r\nA savage harvest of evil.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:23:35","modified":"2003-05-01 15:23:35","fileurl":""},{"id":54774,"heading":"dio","article":">The Shills will of course downplay it. \r\n\r\nSo you publish something and two minutes later coment so you can drop it to the comments page. Damn I wish I was you.\r\n\r\nHey everyone, don't you wish you were him?\r\n\r\nAnd then you immediately have to prop it up by saying the "shills" will knock it down. So If someone publishes something positive about the Bush Administration, and then writes that the "shills" will downplay it, are you going to leave it alone or not?","author":"just wondering","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:29:29","modified":"2003-05-01 15:29:29","fileurl":""},{"id":54789,"heading":"hey he's alive!!!!!!","article":""A savage harvest of evil." you sound like the iraqi information minister when you talk in these tones. I can tell that you are an intelligent person but when you talk like your an oracle it's hard to take. Your just a person with an opinion like myself and other posters. Leave the dramatics for your first novel i'm sure it will be brilliant.","author":"big fan","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:42:42","modified":"2003-05-01 15:42:42","fileurl":""},{"id":54790,"heading":"this land is MY land","article":"So what! If we pollute whole chunks of the earth, just think what that will do for real estate! It will jumpstart the whole economy, and once Monsanto gets it's hands on the Basra aquifier, we can clean up in the bottled water market.\r\n\r\nSoldiers are for killing anyways, aren't they?","author":"Realtor and Monsanto hack","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:42:59","modified":"2003-05-01 15:42:59","fileurl":""},{"id":54801,"heading":"To "lost in wondering"","article":"The Shills have their games. I have my counters.\r\n\r\nI have one major advantage.\r\n\r\nThe truth is my friend.\r\n\r\nIt is the Shills enemy.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:50:32","modified":"2003-05-01 15:50:32","fileurl":""},{"id":54803,"heading":"I did not post that","article":"Bogus post above.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:52:48","modified":"2003-05-01 15:52:48","fileurl":""},{"id":54806,"heading":"Dio","article":">The truth is my friend. \r\n\r\nWhatever. You're not the first to call lies "the truth". You won't be the last.\r\n\r\nBesides, we're here to laugh at you. So, go ahead. You have our permission. Please post more information from publications like the Guardian and Star and National Enquirer.","author":"paper","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 15:54:57","modified":"2003-05-01 15:54:57","fileurl":""},{"id":54813,"heading":"Paper","article":"Notice the disinfo line here - a variation of guilt by association. Mention a relatively reputable Press outlet and then taint it by associating it with the "National Enquirer". That's almost as bad as associating it with the "National Review".\r\n\r\nAs always the truth is the enemy of the Shills and so they attempt to get people not to look by assciating it with something unpalatable. Recognize the tactic for what it is: DISINFORMATION.","author":"Scissors","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:00:56","modified":"2003-05-01 16:00:56","fileurl":""},{"id":54821,"heading":"snip","article":"Hey, he asked for it. Read his line. He expected it to be ripped so he post a disclaimer that only "shills" will disagree with it. That's not a tactic. That's just goofy.\r\n\r\nThe Guardian is a hokey paper. IMC is a hokey website. People buy these rags for one reason, to be entertained. Far be it from me to not do exactly what he was hoping someone would do. It makes for good fun, and that's why we're here.","author":"cut","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:06:45","modified":"2003-05-01 16:06:45","fileurl":""},{"id":54827,"heading":""...a relatively reputable Press outlet..."","article":""Reputable" being judged, of course, by how opposed to the Bush administration the press outlet in question is.\r\n\r\nMore Bush bash = more truth.","author":"daveman","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:14:59","modified":"2003-05-01 16:14:59","fileurl":""},{"id":54828,"heading":"reason","article":"The only reason you are here is to justify the wholescale poisoning of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians. \r\n\r\nIt must be lots of 'fun' working so closely with death, but be careful....your simplistic nonsense now will follow you like a plague everywhere you go.","author":"Cherenkov","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:16:51","modified":"2003-05-01 16:16:51","fileurl":""},{"id":54831,"heading":"I suggest you try...","article":"...one of these:\r\nhttp:\/\/zapatopi.net\/afdb.html.\r\n\r\nIt works wonders for most of the Left.","author":"daveman","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:19:46","modified":"2003-05-01 16:19:46","fileurl":""},{"id":54832,"heading":"article","article":">The only reason you are here is to justify the wholescale poisoning of thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians.\r\n\r\nSo if I don't believe that this article is true, I'm justifying wholesale poisoning? That makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.","author":"tellem","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:21:45","modified":"2003-05-01 16:21:45","fileurl":""},{"id":54834,"heading":"Flat Earth Society welcomes you","article":"Welcome tellem to your free membership to The Flat Earth Society. You have lots of friends here! Congratulations!","author":"Flat Earth Society","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:25:44","modified":"2003-05-01 16:25:44","fileurl":""},{"id":54837,"heading":"Shades of grey, tellem...","article":"...except when it comes to conservatives.\r\n\r\nWe're all evil, don'tcha know.","author":"daveman","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:28:54","modified":"2003-05-01 16:28:54","fileurl":""},{"id":54840,"heading":"rocket man","article":"The Flat Earth Society and people who believe this article have a lot in common. And Ti and Do hitched a ride on the spaceship behind Hale-Bopp, too.","author":"elton","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 16:30:59","modified":"2003-05-01 16:30:59","fileurl":""},{"id":54851,"heading":"i know government is spelled wrong","article":"","author":"mkj","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-05-01 17:10:17","modified":"2005-08-15 01:28:27","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/you_shall_not_overcome.gif0daauy.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/you_shall_not_overcome.gif0daauy.gif"}},{"id":54854,"heading":"Life is short, so try and get one","article":"Is this the American\\Moron version of the Platonic dialogues? \r\n\r\nIs there such a thing as critical thought or has it been Darwined out of the American mind?\r\n\r\nYou're all morons. Some are more on the side of truth than others--but what does truth matter when you aren't able to effectively convince others of it.\r\n\r\nI understand that you're all playing at pundits and rhetorticians but this is unproductive. Aren't there better ways that all of you could use your time? For instance, try reading a few more books, not just the magazines and websites that corroborate your already fixed opinions. Most of you are probably sitting in your little cubicles wishing you didn't have such a soul-sucking life, but you do, so get over it and get off the internet--maybe then your life will change for the better.\r\n\r\nThe word Indy attached to this website is a disgrace to real independent media everywhere.\r\n\r\n","author":"MoronBane","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:12:11","modified":"2003-05-01 17:12:11","fileurl":""},{"id":54856,"heading":"mkj","article":">i know government is spelled wrong\r\n\r\nI would be funnier if you said,\r\n\r\n"i no governmet iz speled wong"\r\n\r\nWe ARE here for the humor. Spice it up.","author":"just a suggestion","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:14:01","modified":"2003-05-01 17:14:01","fileurl":""},{"id":54857,"heading":"Simple","article":"Diogenes, you really must learn technique. If you post something like "1,000 to 2,000 tons of DU" you'll just get a big yawn from all your compatriots. \r\n\r\nYou fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." Another is of course "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never ask a Leftist to do both math and decipher abbreviations in the same sentance".\r\n\r\nFurthermore, you left out any sensational Fascist or Global Conspiracy connection. And you didn't make it personal enough. You can't get an emotional response from a primarily American audience if you say the United States did something. But if the pResident did it - well now you're cooking with gas!\r\n\r\nA better title, from me to you:\r\n\r\n"2,240,000 to 4,480,000 pounds of really really bad stuff was INTENTIONALLY dropped on, on, nothing but OLD WOMEN and honest hard working ORPHANS by George W. Bush at the direction of his puppet master Dick 'son of Goebbels' Cheney. All Iraqis are dead or slowly dying in hospitals without adequate facilities."\r\n\r\nNow that's more like it.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:14:51","modified":"2003-05-01 17:14:51","fileurl":""},{"id":54859,"heading":"Better","article":">"2,240,000 to 4,480,000 pounds of really really bad stuff was INTENTIONALLY\r\ndropped on, on, nothing but OLD WOMEN and honest hard working ORPHANS\r\nby George W. Bush at the direction of his puppet master Dick 'son of Goebbels'\r\nCheney. All Iraqis are dead or slowly dying in hospitals without adequate facilities." \r\n\r\nDamn right!! Now there's a headline w\/ some teeth. Maybe even throw in something\r\nabout the spotted owl.","author":"headlines","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:19:40","modified":"2003-05-01 17:19:40","fileurl":""},{"id":54860,"heading":"Untimely Argot","article":"When did "Shill" come back into popular usage? I thought that word died with Sinclair Lewis.","author":"Jayson the Mariner","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:19:52","modified":"2003-05-01 17:19:52","fileurl":""},{"id":54863,"heading":"Diogenes qua Babbit","article":"Maybe Diogenes should change his name to Babbit, then a word like Shill would seem more natural.","author":"HimnyJimny","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:23:00","modified":"2003-05-01 17:23:00","fileurl":""},{"id":54866,"heading":"Shakespeare condemns you all","article":"How far your eyes may pierce I cannot tell;\r\nStriving to better, oft we mar what's well.","author":"Albany","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:25:57","modified":"2003-05-01 17:25:57","fileurl":""},{"id":54884,"heading":""governmet"","article":"Looks alryte 2 us! \r\n\r\n","author":"Dan Quayle & George W. Bush","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:41:41","modified":"2003-05-01 17:41:41","fileurl":""},{"id":54889,"heading":""governmet"","article":"Us'ens 2\r\n\r\nbitch whared i leav mi ce-gar??","author":"Bill & Hillary Clinton","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:45:57","modified":"2003-05-01 17:45:57","fileurl":""},{"id":54892,"heading":"Bill","article":"I hope you didn't that ceegar from no colored person. We conservatives hates them coloreds.","author":"Trent Lott","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:47:26","modified":"2003-05-01 17:47:26","fileurl":""},{"id":54897,"heading":"Bill","article":"Coloreds dan't smoke ceegars in WV Trent. The last colored I seen was jest hangin' out..... after we'uns done strung em up.\r\n\r\nehehehehe","author":"Robert Byrd","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:51:02","modified":"2003-05-01 17:51:02","fileurl":""},{"id":54900,"heading":"Sen. Byrd","article":"Nah, you evolved. You no longer a KKK member. I am. I am a conservative.","author":"Trent Lott","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:52:43","modified":"2003-05-01 17:52:43","fileurl":""},{"id":54905,"heading":"TL","article":"My nickname ain't "sheets" for nothin'.","author":"Byrd","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:57:26","modified":"2003-05-01 17:57:26","fileurl":""},{"id":54908,"heading":"Sen. Byrd","article":"Mine is "Klanman" 'cause I hates them coloreds. Strom does, too. You should become a Republican.\r\n\r\n","author":"Trent Lott","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 17:59:32","modified":"2003-05-01 17:59:32","fileurl":""},{"id":54913,"heading":"*","article":"this little exchange really isn't as funny as you think it is. It not really poignant either. Just really annoying and pointless.","author":"*","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:02:46","modified":"2003-05-01 18:02:46","fileurl":""},{"id":54916,"heading":"KILL MUSLIMS","article":""Just really annoying and pointless."\r\n\r\nOh yeah, just like us!\r\n","author":"KKKOBE FASCISTS","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:03:50","modified":"2003-05-01 18:03:50","fileurl":""},{"id":54918,"heading":"Trent","article":"Gonna stay Dem. We have a long and glorious history of giving coloreds just enough money to keep them in their place and yet still believing our promises that one day the government will make them rich. No way I'm walking away from that.","author":"Byrd","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:04:30","modified":"2003-05-01 18:04:30","fileurl":""},{"id":54921,"heading":"Sen Byrd","article":"You should consider becoming a Republican. We have a long and glorious history of keepin' coloreds down. Hell, we don't even want 'em at the University of Michigan! Just ask George.","author":"Trent Lott","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:07:19","modified":"2003-05-01 18:07:19","fileurl":""},{"id":54931,"heading":"Trent","article":"U of M?? That's nothing. My state has whole counties where coloreds don't even exist. Damn not better come around there either. That's where I like to vacation to get away from all the coloreds in Washington, D.C.","author":"Byrd","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:13:17","modified":"2003-05-01 18:13:17","fileurl":""},{"id":54934,"heading":"Sen Byrd","article":"Come on down to Pascagoula, Mississippi if ya don't like them coloreds. I live in a segregated neighborhood. We conservatives hate them coloreds.","author":"Trent Lott","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 18:15:37","modified":"2003-05-01 18:15:37","fileurl":""},{"id":55021,"heading":"nexm time","article":"NAaaahhhhhhh, yubo's be jes shittin' MEEe. I nevah haid me uh honkeyhoawr and nebbe will. they's poozzees smeli' OOToonfiss.","author":"Sy Nebdr","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 21:59:46","modified":"2003-05-01 21:59:46","fileurl":""},{"id":55032,"heading":"decay gif to 50% of present level","article":"Ahh the alpha, beta and gama.","author":"DU vitiman Co.","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-05-01 22:56:58","modified":"2005-08-15 01:28:28","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/u238decay.giftkn3ux.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/u238decay.giftkn3ux.gif"}},{"id":55038,"heading":"The data corroborating DU's Toxicity...","article":"...has been posted on this board over and over again. The Shills are now reduced to nothing better than trying to Spam up the Thread. \r\n\r\nThey have no defense.\r\n\r\nThey have no case.\r\n\r\nThey have no honor.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 23:58:08","modified":"2003-05-01 23:58:08","fileurl":""},{"id":55161,"heading":"Diogenes","article":"For some stupid reason you've got a problem with comprehending that individuals\r\ncan review the same evidence as you and reach completely different conclusions.\r\nThat's extremely immature on your part. Until you are able to grasp this simple concept,\r\nyour ability to engage in meaningful discussion will always be wanting.\r\n\r\nFor example, you said:\r\n\r\n>The data corroborating DU's Toxicity has been posted on this board over and\r\nover again. The Shills are now reduced to nothing better than trying to Spam up the\r\nThread. \r\nThey have no defense. \r\nThey have no case. \r\nThey have no honor.\r\n\r\nA mature response would have been as follows:\r\n\r\n>The data corroborating DU's Toxicity has been posted on this board over and\r\nover again. I believe it to be true. Read it and make you own evaluation.\r\n\r\nSee how much more mature of a response that is. No name-calling. No condescending\r\nremarks. Just a simple acknowledgement that you believe it to be true, that you encourage\r\nothers to examine what led you to your conclusion, and an unstated acknowledgement\r\nthat it is quite common for others to reach a different conclusion.\r\n\r\nTry doing so. You'll find it makes a big difference.\r\n","author":"just a suggestion","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 12:23:33","modified":"2003-05-02 12:23:33","fileurl":""},{"id":55162,"heading":"Elementary My Dear Watson:","article":"I see no reason to coddle our dear sweet shills.\r\n\r\nI am always willing to enetertain other viewpoints.\r\n\r\nHowever, the aforementioned Shills have continuously and repeatedly, ignored, defamed, and just generally been complete assholes on the subject. This is admittedly a broad generalization as not every person who frequents this board is a Shill, but I and others, such as Sheepdog, have put forth a fair amount of time and effort to lay forth the facts. Only to receive in return taunts, and character assassination.\r\n\r\nConclusion: They have an official SPIN they are being PAID to sell.\r\n\r\nI do not admire Quislings nor do I feel compelled under some false sense of decorum to treat them in any fashion other than that which they have, by their actions, earned.\r\n\r\nAnd so I would make a suggestion to you, but decorum prohibits.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 12:33:26","modified":"2003-05-02 12:33:26","fileurl":""},{"id":55164,"heading":"Just another thought","article":"Can the use of this Permanent radiological and to a\r\nminor but signifigant respect, chemically toxic substance\r\nand the deliberate use of this material also serve the purpose of genocide to the people of that region?\r\n\r\nFor all time.\r\n\r\nThese are VERY serious crimes against the earth and the\r\npeople of the earth.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 12:52:23","modified":"2003-05-02 12:52:23","fileurl":""},{"id":55165,"heading":"Diogenes","article":"I've repeatedly read your "evidence" and that of Sheepdog's and the vast\r\nmajority of the time have found them not to be reliable. I write that I don't find them\r\nto be reliable, and here's why, and then go on to point out that it's either the source\r\nor the information is based upon a false premise or built on a false foundation or\r\nwhatever it might be. You definately have a problem with people doing that.\r\n\r\nIt's a firm conclusion that when the truth is presented, that no amount of bullets will\r\nshoot it down. It remains the truth. When I see you and others of your political leaning\r\nposting statements, and then constantly having to defend what you have stated,\r\nnaturally one would conclude that the foundation of your belief and your statement\r\nwasn't very strong to begin with. If you were to make a strong enough case to begin with,\r\nthen you wouldn't need to defend what you said. The initial argument would have been\r\nsuch that it would have answered every accusation against it before any were even\r\nmade. The point being is if you have to defend it, something must be wrong with\r\nthe logic behind it. You might want to write you arguments in such a way that\r\nyou answer every possible accusation against what you have written it before it can\r\neven be made. It would make it more convincing.\r\nUntil you are able to acquire the\r\nability to to do such, your only recourse will be to try and shout down those with whom\r\nyou disagree, and you're not very good at it. In a battle of wits, you're completely unarmed.","author":"just a suggestion","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 12:57:06","modified":"2003-05-02 12:57:06","fileurl":""},{"id":55166,"heading":"To the above poster","article":"Bend over, assclown.","author":"fresca","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:05:13","modified":"2003-05-02 13:05:13","fileurl":""},{"id":55171,"heading":"Truth?","article":"Ah therein lies the rub.\r\nIs your truth mine? No.\r\nThis also applies to yourself as you may\r\nonly apply the perceptions allowed you.\r\nKeep trying, however.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:13:12","modified":"2003-05-02 13:13:12","fileurl":""},{"id":55180,"heading":"truth","article":"Truth is truth. To "truth", there isn't your truth and my truth, there's only "THE truth".\r\n\r\n"THE truth" doesn't have to be defended. By virtue of it being "THE truth", it defends itself.\r\n\r\nSo write your statements in such a way they can't be questioned. Take the Nestea plunge.","author":"t","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:21:01","modified":"2003-05-02 13:21:01","fileurl":""},{"id":55187,"heading":"Truth","article":"Is a goal which challenges us to reach through our senses towards an understanding of something that cannot be\r\ngrasped. Reality. But we try.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:28:33","modified":"2003-05-02 13:28:33","fileurl":""},{"id":55195,"heading":"truth","article":""Truth" is not abstract. "Truth" is tangible.\r\n\r\nAny event that happens can be explained. The accurate depiction of what happened is "THE truth". There is not "your" accurate description and "my" accurate description. What happened is what happened. If we both report the same accurate description, then it can be stated with assurance that it happened in just such a way. If we report different accurate descriptions, then either one of us is right and one of us is wrong, or we're both wrong. There are no other choices. Regardless, what actually happened remains "THE truth". "THE truth" is black and white. "THE truth" can never be 10,000 shades of gray.","author":"t","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:37:06","modified":"2003-05-02 13:37:06","fileurl":""},{"id":55206,"heading":"Just a suggestion...","article":"...if you find the data unreliable state your case. Unsubstantiated aspersions, however velvet encased, prove nothing.\r\n\r\nThis is a debate board - a comment board - feel free to make your comments. I also fee free in making mine. And when someone makes what I believe to be an intentionally false allegation I will not treat them with Kid Gloves.\r\n\r\nI do not suffer fools gladly and I have even less tolerance for liars.\r\n\r\nYour attacks though are very subtle in that you couch them in what view as "faux reasonableness". Your most recent post reveals too much for you to continue the pretense.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:47:28","modified":"2003-05-02 13:47:28","fileurl":""},{"id":55210,"heading":"Truth","article":"A workable definition: The truth is:\r\n\r\nThe exact time, place, form, and event.\r\n\r\nVery simple, very specific.\r\n\r\nIf any element is altered it is by definition no longer the truth. It is an altered truth, or - a lie.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:50:41","modified":"2003-05-02 13:50:41","fileurl":""},{"id":55213,"heading":"Truth","article":"The universe around us is governed by laws upon we are still learning. Ask a physicist or mathematician or an electronics\r\nmajor for christ's sake. What is the square root of -1 ?\r\nAnswer that, then answer the question of by what instruments or criteria or even parameters of accuracy you are involving.\r\nThus we can talk about approaching your truth.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 13:53:29","modified":"2003-05-02 13:53:29","fileurl":""},{"id":55222,"heading":"truth","article":">The universe around us is governed by laws upon we are still learning.\r\n\r\nNo one's disputing that. Because we don't know everything doesn't mean that "THE truth" regarding the things we don't fully understand don't exist. "THE truth" is there, we just have to discover it.\r\n\r\n>Thus we can talk about approaching your truth.\r\n\r\nNot "your' truth. Not "my" truth. "THE" truth. It's black and white. It can never be 10,000 shades of gray.","author":"t","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 14:00:33","modified":"2003-05-02 14:00:33","fileurl":""},{"id":55281,"heading":"Exactly","article":"In agreement.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 16:16:11","modified":"2003-05-02 16:16:11","fileurl":""},{"id":55304,"heading":"daveman","article":"i dont think that last post was yours because i know your more mature than that plus mkj is spelled mjk and i dont think you would say that about me or would you? \r\n\r\nithe truth is i love you daveman but i just cant express myself it always runs off in a bad way but now ill comeout the closet and say it i love you daveman i like anyname with dave in it dave is always somehow linked to a jewish person i love jews but i hate their government i hate debbie schlussle because she hates arabs shes the one that threw the blanket over arabs first im sorry if i ever offended you daveman i swear look all you want their is no hidden message in this post like i did to simon i swear after looking at a couple more of your post i seem to disagree with some of the stuff you say but other than that were cool right? this is a suck up and apoligy i swear i wont post another post under this name if you do not see where i am coming from i mean you read that article by debbie schlussel the story of the sauidi guy demanding that their be no women in the control tower that a whole bunch of bullshit you know it and i know it and all the other stuff debbie does i just fucking hate her have you ever seen or heard someone for the first time and felt like something just didint "click in" well thats how i felt when i heard that bitch for the first time\r\n\r\ni do not hate all jews and i never threw the zionist blanket at the jewish people i was always oipen and willing to accept other peoples ideas \r\n\r\nwell like i said this will be my last post underr the name mkj if you do not see where im coming from \r\n\r\nill post this up a couple more times to make sure you get it\r\n\r\npeace out daveman and ppplz\r\n mkj","author":"mjk","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-05-02 16:55:16","modified":"2005-08-15 01:28:28","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/05\/mgf7.gif2qjflb.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/05\/mgf7.gif2qjflb.gif"}},{"id":55363,"heading":"And to so the loop shut","article":"so well said, way up there...\r\n\r\n"2,240,000 to 4,480,000 pounds of really really bad stuff was INTENTIONALLY \r\n dropped on, on, nothing but OLD WOMEN and honest hard working ORPHANS \r\n by George W. Bush at the direction of his puppet master Dick 'son of Goebbels' \r\n Cheney. All Iraqis are dead or slowly dying in hospitals without adequate facilities."\r\n\r\nthank you for your support.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 17:56:34","modified":"2003-05-02 17:56:34","fileurl":""},{"id":55374,"heading":"WHO WHO","article":"Except they left out the part about endangering the spotted owls. That would have put it over the top.","author":"owl","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 18:26:20","modified":"2003-05-02 18:26:20","fileurl":""},{"id":55378,"heading":"wow","article":" Who. \r\nspotted \r\nowls\r\n in Iraq?\r\nwow","author":"wow","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 18:33:25","modified":"2003-05-02 18:33:25","fileurl":""},{"id":55399,"heading":"STUPID STUPID","article":"Sorry, I'm too stupid to know that there aren't any spotted owls in Iraq. I'm a conservative.","author":"owl","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 19:29:02","modified":"2003-05-02 19:29:02","fileurl":""},{"id":55401,"heading":"Simple","article":"Well we should be asking ourselves WHY there are no spotted owls in Iraq.\r\n\r\nThe reasons are obvious: The Bush Administration's hostility to the Kyoto Accords and it's marriage to Big Oil have killed them all.\r\n\r\nEither that or they all died of DU poisoning.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 19:35:28","modified":"2003-05-02 19:35:28","fileurl":""},{"id":55425,"heading":"Simple Simon's selective memory","article":""The Bush Administration's hostility to the Kyoto Accords"\r\n\r\nDuring the Clinton administration, the US Senate rejected the Kyoto Protocol 95-0.\r\n\r\nAfter the Senate vote, Clinton and Gore stopped talking about Kyoto.\r\n\r\nAll Bush did was state the obvious. You have to be ignorant of the above facts or intellectually dishonest to state that the Bush administration had anything to do with the death of the Kyoto Protocol in the USA.\r\n\r\n","author":"Newton","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-02 22:50:36","modified":"2003-05-02 22:50:36","fileurl":""},{"id":55485,"heading":"Kyoto","article":"The Kyoto protocol is an attempt to give the world the impression that somthing is being done about global warming while actually just undermining the USA in order to benifit the third world.\r\nYou can be for or against that idea but call it as it is.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-03 05:03:49","modified":"2003-05-03 05:03:49","fileurl":""},{"id":55549,"heading":"Simple","article":"Get down on your knees, you cumdumpster.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":54763,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-03 15:03:11","modified":"2003-05-03 15:03:11","fileurl":""}]}