{"article":{"id":53010,"heading":"Tales Of Terror Under Saddam's Regime Emerge","author":"C\/O Diogenes","created":"2003-04-24 04:05:11","modified":"2013-11-11 00:15:34","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:15:34","article":"

Tales Of Terror Under Saddam's Regime Emerge

News24.com - South Africa

4-22-3

BAGHDAD - Tens of thousands of highly classified documents recording executions, arrests and interrogations under Saddam Hussein's regime have been recovered, a new Iraqi human rights group said on Tuesday.

 

\"We have so many files and there are more coming in every day,\" the founder of the Committee to Free Prisoners, Ibrahim al-Edrisy, said from the group's base at the luxury residence of a former Iraqi senior security official in Baghdad.

 

Edrisy said committee members and other \"volunteers\" began recovering the files from buildings and residences that belonged to the feared security branches of Saddam's regime as soon as news broke that the Iraqi dictator had lost power.

 

He said many documents were burnt and destroyed by officials who were loyal to Saddam or who feared they could leave behind self-incriminating evidence.

 

\"But many have also been saved. We will use this to help all the people who have suffered,\" Edrisy said.

 

Inside one room of the building were more than 150 cabinets full of files, most of which were marked \"highly classified\" in red. The wall of another room was piled high with more files.

 

Bulk execution orders

 

One file contained the 1983 execution orders for 65 people accused of being associated to the al-Dawa party, a Shi'ite group with close links to Iran that Saddam relentlessly tried to eradicate.

 

A military court that oversaw treason and security hearings, Ath-Thawra, issued the two bulk execution orders on April 27 and July 8 in 1983 for all the accused to be hanged.

 

Aged between 21 and 35, the group covered a wide spectrum of society, with their professions ranging from unemployed people to schoolteachers, students, soldiers, a shoemaker and an engineer.

 

Another file marked \"highly confidential\" recorded the 1989 execution of Abed Ali Jabboh, whose crime was to try to flee the Iraqi army. His file listed the method of execution as \"shooting\".

 

Cause of death: 'hanging'

 

A separate folder contained a thick wad of regular death certificates for people who died during the 1990s. All listed the cause of death as \"hanging\".

 

Edrisy said the documents would be vital in helping the many people whose relatives and friends had gone missing during Saddam's brutal 24-year reign.

 

\"Our first goal is to tell as many people as we can what has happened to their missing relatives,\" Edrisy said as he stood among the documents.

 

\"We need to show if people were prisoners or, if they were killed, where they are buried.

 

\"Then we want to punish those who have done this.\"

 

Help needed to organise documents

 

However, Edrisy said his committee, made up of 150 volunteers, needed help from foreign organisations to secure and organise the documents.

 

\"Tell the Red Cross, humanitarian groups and all honest people that we need their help,\" he said.

 

Edrisy said a major concern was a lack of security, with his committee receiving threats from people still loyal to Saddam.

 

Outside the committee's headquarters more than 100 people were searching for news of their relatives, with the names of about 1,000 people confirmed executed on a series of notice boards.

 

\"My father has been missing since 1980,\" Haider Hamid said.

 

\"He was a religious man and they accused him of being with al-Dawa. My family has been destroyed by this. We just want to know what happened.\"

 

The revelations of the recovered documents follow the discovery on Monday of secret graves containing the bodies of nearly 1,000 political prisoners at a cemetery on the western outskirts of Baghdad.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":""Our first goal is to tell as many people as we can what has happened to their missing relatives," Edrisy said as he stood among the documents. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"We need to show if people were prisoners or, if they were killed, where they are buried. \r\n\u00a0 \r\n"Then we want to punish those who have done this."","numcomment":62,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/04\/53010.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":53011,"heading":"Saddam was not...","article":"...a humanitarian. He was as I think we have all recognized a brutal Despot.\r\n\r\nWas he allowed to flee?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 04:06:58","modified":"2003-04-24 04:06:58","fileurl":""},{"id":53016,"heading":"And had the...","article":"..."peace" protestors gotten their way, the shootings and hangings would have continued.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 06:40:53","modified":"2003-04-24 06:40:53","fileurl":""},{"id":53038,"heading":"The "peace" protestors","article":"Were "objectively" pro-Saddam, to paraphrase Josef Stalin.\r\n\r\nThey could say all they want that they "don't like Saddam". \r\n\r\nHowever, as a simple matter of objective fact, they were protesting to keep him in power.\r\n\r\nAnyone who thinks the Left cares about humanity is in need of a wake up.","author":"Gumba Johnny","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 10:53:07","modified":"2003-04-24 10:53:07","fileurl":""},{"id":53050,"heading":"Doesn't matter what they say...","article":"...any position that left Saddam in power would have killed more Iraqis. \r\n\r\nThey may even have wanted to see him go. But, no one (and I asked, many times) offered any viable, realistic solutions.\r\n\r\nThey would mumble something about "embracing peace" and go back to shouting "Bush is bad!" \r\n\r\nThe problem with this is, like so many things, attributable to our education system. Years ago the liberals got their foot in the door of the schoolhouse, and they have been promoting their PC, don't-offend-anybody-but-white-folks-'cause-that's-not-really-prejudice-after-all, all-cultures-are-valid-and-morally-equal, we-must-promote-homosexuality-at-the-expense-of-family-values liberal propaganda, and have been brainwashing our youth ever since. \r\n\r\nPolitics and values don't belong in school until college, when a kid has learned to think a bit and will not blindly swallow whatever is placed if front of him. The Left proclaims they want people to think for themselves, but only as long as you come to the same conclusions as they do. If you disagree, you're programmed, a tool of the State, and a prejudiced xenophobe. The Left's propaganda machine would make Stalin grin like a demon. "Programmed"? Pot, meet kettle.\r\n\r\nNo, politics and values should be taught at home. That's why my wife and I are homeschooling our children, and they will be taught right from wrong...not "shades of grey". ","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 11:54:22","modified":"2003-04-24 11:54:22","fileurl":""},{"id":53102,"heading":"Interesting","article":"No refutaion of the peace protestors' activites supporting Saddam.\r\n\r\nHmmmm...","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 16:03:48","modified":"2003-04-24 16:03:48","fileurl":""},{"id":53105,"heading":"A short thought.","article":""Noise means nothing; a chicken laying an egg often crows as if she had just laid an Asteroid."\r\n\r\nOr in davemoron's case a Hemerhoid.","author":"Samuel L. Clemens","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 16:09:19","modified":"2003-04-24 16:09:19","fileurl":""},{"id":53113,"heading":"Sammy Boy","article":"Don't you know you're dead?\r\n\r\nYou been licking jumping frogs again?\r\n\r\nNow that you've been put in your place, discuss the issue.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 16:20:11","modified":"2003-04-24 16:20:11","fileurl":""},{"id":53123,"heading":"Peace protestors...","article":"Peace protestors are anti-Bush because his motives are two-fold, proclaimed and hidden.\r\n\r\nI as a peace protestor had no problem with the Bush Administration's proclaimed motives of removing a medieval dictator from power.\r\n\r\nI had a problem with the hidden motives which were economic and imperialistic in nature for a small group of super wealthy corporate elites who have manufactured the consent of the American people (via the programming and censoring of the American media by way of the Pentagon) in order to wage war using taxpayer dollars and children for their own profit.\r\n\r\nAs a peace protestor, I also felt that the Bush Administration could have dealt with Saddam in a more patient and diplomatic way that did not require war.\r\n\r\nThe world may feel safer now, but are the chances of terrorism greater now realistically than they were before this war?\r\n\r\n ","author":"S.King","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 17:00:22","modified":"2003-04-24 17:00:22","fileurl":""},{"id":53124,"heading":"And again I say...","article":"...any action that delayed or stopped the war, no matter how "patient and diplomatic", would allow more Iraqis to be tortured and executed.\r\n\r\nCan you honestly say you could live with that?","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 17:04:39","modified":"2003-04-24 17:04:39","fileurl":""},{"id":53133,"heading":"with that argument","article":"i can say: well why didn't the bush gang attack iraq before that, even before 911? ","author":"cuzin it","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 23:28:14","modified":"2003-04-24 23:28:14","fileurl":""},{"id":53134,"heading":"The U.S. kept Saddam in power","article":"Any country will rally behind a leader when hostile\r\nattacks are directed against its people.\r\nTake the moron the the white house for instance.\r\nThis phenomenon is well known to the CIA, the ones\r\nwho put SH in power. \r\nWithout the engineered (by the U.S.) Iran-Iraq war, the 1991 gulf war and the 12 years of bombings and sanctions, the people of Iraq\r\nmay well have put Saddam in a cage after over throwing him.\r\nThis could not be allowed to happen.\r\nThe eyes of the elite roach droppings had their gaze fixed upon the resources and strategic benefits of this region\r\nfor a long time...","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 23:28:19","modified":"2003-04-24 23:28:19","fileurl":""},{"id":53177,"heading":"cuzin it","article":"Yes. If we're going to have to be the only grown ups in the world, let's go full monty and clean up everywhere.\r\n\r\nSuits me.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 06:20:27","modified":"2003-04-25 06:20:27","fileurl":""},{"id":53200,"heading":"America has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia...","article":"That would be americas\r\nFINAL SOLUTION\r\nto deal with countries that didnt think our way.\r\nCan we put everyone in jail..\r\nor do we just exterminate them.\r\nCan you define what "cleaning up" means..\r\nis it the same as\r\n"cleansing"?","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 09:19:44","modified":"2003-04-25 09:19:44","fileurl":""},{"id":53204,"heading":"Not at all.","article":"I'm talking about removing the genocidal nutcases everywhere, and letting the people who have been oppressed by them choose their own governments.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 09:24:29","modified":"2003-04-25 09:24:29","fileurl":""},{"id":53209,"heading":"Clarify please","article":"Does that include all countries that are in violation of UN resolutions,\r\nor just ones that the United States decides are "Evil"?","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 09:31:27","modified":"2003-04-25 09:31:27","fileurl":""},{"id":53212,"heading":"If you're dancing around the word Israel"...","article":"...forget it.\r\n\r\nWhy would the US want to overthrow the only (so far) representative government in the area?\r\n\r\nBecause of the UN sanctions?\r\n\r\nAhhh...the international body that wants to punish Israel and ignores the predations of dictators everywhere. \r\n\r\nUh huh. ","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 10:42:57","modified":"2003-04-25 10:42:57","fileurl":""},{"id":53252,"heading":"daveman","article":""I'm talking about removing the genocidal nutcases everywhere..."\r\n\r\nGood. Let Bush be the next one to go.","author":"Hypocrite Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 13:43:13","modified":"2003-04-25 13:43:13","fileurl":""},{"id":53260,"heading":"Simple","article":"Kindly point to an example of President Bush acting like a "genocidal nutcase".\r\n\r\nI'll wait.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 13:57:48","modified":"2003-04-25 13:57:48","fileurl":""},{"id":53264,"heading":"Invading a country...","article":"...under a false pretext and wantonly killing innocent people while selling it under a sea of lies.","author":"Truth Detector","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:02:41","modified":"2003-04-25 14:02:41","fileurl":""},{"id":53265,"heading":"Simon","article":"Iraq. Palestine. Afghanistan. Need I continue?","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:02:57","modified":"2003-04-25 14:02:57","fileurl":""},{"id":53275,"heading":"Simple","article":"Genocide has a very specific definition. To wit:\r\n\r\nMain Entry: geno\u00b7cide \r\nPronunciation: 'je-n&-"sId\r\nFunction: noun\r\nDate: 1944\r\n: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group\r\n\r\nNow, your contention that the President is a "genocidal nutcase" is consistent with this definition in what context? Did he deliberately and systematically destroy the Afghan people? The 'Palestinians'? The Iraqi people? Let me help you here: Nope, nope, and nope again.\r\n\r\nOf course, you could make the argument that he committed "genocide" against the Ba'ath Party. Of course this makes the British government guilty of "genocide" since they suppressed the Thuggie cult, and the allies in WWII are guilty of "genocide" since they systematically destroyed the Nazis.\r\n\r\nEnglish is a beautiful language. Incredibly expressive. Learn to use the correct words.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:14:09","modified":"2013-11-11 00:15:35","fileurl":""},{"id":53278,"heading":"Simon","article":""Did he deliberately and systematically destroy the Afghan people? The 'Palestinians'? The Iraqi people?"\r\n\r\nLet me help you here: Yup, yup, and yup again. \r\n\r\n"Learn to use the correct words."\r\n\r\nLearn to not have the wool pulled over your eyes, you simpleton. Did you hurt your head when you fell off of that turnip truck yesterday?\r\n","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:17:28","modified":"2003-04-25 14:17:28","fileurl":""},{"id":53280,"heading":"If Gee Dubis committing genocide...","article":"...he's doing a pretty poor job if it.\r\n\r\nYou should ask for your tax dollars back.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:19:48","modified":"2003-04-25 14:19:48","fileurl":""},{"id":53283,"heading":"Are there any...","article":"...Afghans, "Palenstinians', or Iraqis left alive today?\r\n\r\nThere are? Lots of them? Most of them, actually?\r\n\r\nHmmm...so much for genocide.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:21:49","modified":"2003-04-25 14:21:49","fileurl":""},{"id":53284,"heading":"davemoron","article":""You should ask for your tax dollars back."\r\n\r\nHe's too busy giving my tax dollars to corporations. It's called REDISTRIBUTION OF INCOME, you fascist piece of filth.\r\n\r\n","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:22:05","modified":"2003-04-25 14:22:05","fileurl":""},{"id":53285,"heading":"Small Bills Please.","article":"In a brown paper bag.","author":"Truth Detector","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:22:50","modified":"2003-04-25 14:22:50","fileurl":""},{"id":53286,"heading":"davemoron","article":""There are? Lots of them? Most of them, actually? \r\n\r\nHmmm...so much for genocide."\r\n\r\nThis genocide isn't over, yet. Iraqis are being murdered everyday by your "heroes." Learn to think before you type.\r\n\r\n","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:24:14","modified":"2003-04-25 14:24:14","fileurl":""},{"id":53290,"heading":"Simple","article":"What a load of manure.\r\n\r\nIf the intention is, as you suggest, to commit genocide; why, pray tell don't we just drop a couple dozen ICBM's on their little heads and be done with it? Why don't we take our considerable arsenal of WMD and make their water undrinkable, their food inedible, their soil barren?\r\n\r\nThe reason: we have no interest in doing so.\r\n\r\nSo much for your genocide.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:31:56","modified":"2003-04-25 14:31:56","fileurl":""},{"id":53295,"heading":""fascist piece of filth"","article":"Ha ha! A new insult...at least, one that hasn't been worn out - yet.\r\n\r\nHow many Iraqis are being killed each day? How many Afghans? How many 'Palestinians' (I'll even let you count the one who blew himself up today...you'll blame the US for his death anyway)?\r\n\r\nNow, how many are there left?\r\n\r\nSee, we're just not generating the sheer amount of dead people for a good old-fashioned genocide. You want a genocide, you gotta rack up the numbers and stack up the bodies.\r\n\r\nIt'll take DECADES to wipe 'em all out. And they'll have babies faster than we can shoot 'em.\r\n\r\nGee, Saddam was killing them faster than we are...now, THERE'S a guy who knew how to throw a genocide! \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:37:15","modified":"2003-04-25 14:37:15","fileurl":""},{"id":53296,"heading":"Simon","article":""...make their water undrinkable, their food inedible, their soil barren?"\r\n\r\nTheir water IS undrinkable, their food IS inedible, their soil IS barren. So much for your intelligence. ","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:37:51","modified":"2003-04-25 14:37:51","fileurl":""},{"id":53298,"heading":"davemoron","article":""Gee, Saddam was killing them faster than we are...now,..."\r\n\r\nDon't worry, the jarheads are burying them as fast as they're killing them. The world doesn't have to know what's going on. ","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:39:41","modified":"2003-04-25 14:39:41","fileurl":""},{"id":53304,"heading":"Simple","article":"Really?\r\n\r\nWho is making the repairs to their water systems?\r\nWho is providing food aid?\r\nWhere are all those delicious Iraqi dates grown?\r\n\r\nAnd furthermore, if we want to commit 'genocide' why are we providing the aid and fixing the water systems? Wouldn't it be a more effective 'genocide' if we, well, let them die?\r\n\r\nOr do you think we just want to shoot 'em all - you know, for kicks.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 14:47:11","modified":"2003-04-25 14:47:11","fileurl":""},{"id":53312,"heading":"Simon","article":""Who is making the repairs to their water systems?"\r\nOh, yeah, that contaminated water from a "repaired" water system is going to taste goooood. \r\n\r\n"Who is providing food aid?" \r\nOh, so you are admitting that THEIR food IS inedible?\r\n\r\n"Where are all those delicious Iraqi dates grown?"\r\nYeah, I always like my dates with a liberal helping of depleted uranium. \r\n\r\n"Wouldn't it be a more effective 'genocide' if we, well, let them die?"\r\nWe ARE letting them die. It's called SANCTIONS. We imposed them for over twelve years. Get a clue, Sherlock. \r\n","author":"Simpleton Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:00:20","modified":"2003-04-25 15:00:20","fileurl":""},{"id":53325,"heading":"Oh, you mean the sanctions...","article":"...that Bush asked to be lifted, but the UN is dragging its feet on?\r\n\r\nThe sanctions that let Saddam amass enough cash to draw a BILLION dollars cash out of a Jordanian bank?\r\n\r\nThe sanctions that let the Ba'ath Party hoard warehouses of food and supplies destined for the Iraqi people?\r\n\r\nThe sanctions that allowed 2,500 calories per person per day for every Iraqi? \r\n\r\nTha sanctions that allowed the UN and French banks to keep get their hands on obscene amounts of money?\r\n\r\nAre those the sanctions you mean?\r\n\r\nYou really are an idiot...and your next post will be just another nail in your idealogical coffin.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:14:38","modified":"2003-04-25 15:14:38","fileurl":""},{"id":53336,"heading":"davemoron","article":""...that Bush asked to be lifted, but the UN is dragging its feet on?"\r\nWhy WOULDN'T he want the sanctions lifted? His goons are in charge, now. He got rid of the "bad guy." Now, jarheads can do the killing. \r\n\r\n"The sanctions that let ... "\r\n"The sanctions that let ..." \r\n"The sanctions that allowed..." \r\nTha sanctions that allowed ..." \r\n"Are those the sanctions you mean?"\r\nWhy, YES, those are the sanctions that allowed all of those bad things to happen. \r\n\r\n\r\n"You really are an idiot...and your next post will be just another nail in your idealogical coffin."\r\nI have read many of your asinine posts on this site and it is safe to say that you nailed your "ideological coffin" shut LONG ago. Do you enjoy being a hypocrite, you IDIOT?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hypocrite Slayer","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:23:33","modified":"2003-04-25 15:23:33","fileurl":""},{"id":53343,"heading":"Buffy the Hypocrite Slayer","article":"Me? Hypocritical?\r\n\r\nGosh! What do I do now? I've been called a name!\r\n\r\nGee, Buffy, take it back! \r\n\r\nHa ha! You really are a putz, you know that?\r\n\r\nAnswer me this: do you deny the atrocities outlined in the original post?\r\n\r\nOh, yeah...of course not. "We put him there!" Blah, blah blah. \r\n\r\nAnswer me another question: Is there any bad thing in history EVER you don't blame America in general and Bush specifically for? Convernient, that. Doesn't require any thought.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:32:51","modified":"2003-04-25 15:32:51","fileurl":""},{"id":53347,"heading":"Notice the comment at...","article":"...the end of daviemoron's post. Disinformation. This is a variation of the Straw Man argument. Make your accusation so broad as to skewer your opponents position.\r\n\r\nThe issue he wishes to discredit, but cannot factually refute, is U.S. involvement in bringing Saddam to Power. The reason being that it totally discredits much of the PR\/PsyOps Spin when you know that Saddam was a U.S. Puppet.\r\n\r\n"Facts are inconvientient things" - Ronald Reagan","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:37:54","modified":"2003-04-25 15:37:54","fileurl":""},{"id":53351,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...so what are Shrubs boys doing to track down the perpetrators of these crimes....\r\n\r\n\r\n...nothing, except maybe making them officers in the new "police force".....","author":"KPC","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:39:39","modified":"2003-04-25 15:39:39","fileurl":""},{"id":53361,"heading":"Simple","article":"Well I guess killing a bunch of them helped a little, don't you think, KPC?\r\n\r\nOr do you still think the Iraqis were better off with the battery-to-the-genitals crowd?","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:49:27","modified":"2003-04-25 15:49:27","fileurl":""},{"id":53367,"heading":"Oh Psymon...","article":"...is that the same "Battery to the Genitals Technique" taught at the "School of the Americas" at Fort Benning Georgia, U.S.A.?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 15:56:04","modified":"2003-04-25 15:56:04","fileurl":""},{"id":53394,"heading":"Anybody notice...","article":"...the day after I suggested that Psympleton and davemoron might be the same person, or work for the same people, that Psympleton makes an appearance?\r\n\r\nI do not neccessarily represent that as a correalation. Just thought it interesting.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 16:20:24","modified":"2003-04-25 16:20:24","fileurl":""},{"id":53397,"heading":"Anybody notice...","article":"...the obvious similarities between Diogones and Parmenides?\r\n\r\nThey both wear the same size stuffed shirt.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 16:23:49","modified":"2003-04-25 16:23:49","fileurl":""},{"id":53401,"heading":"Anybody notice...","article":"...the obvious similarites between Simpleton Simon and davemoron?\r\n\r\nThey both wear the same size 200 hat. They give new meaning to the term "big head."","author":"Just a tailor","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 16:30:14","modified":"2003-04-25 16:30:14","fileurl":""},{"id":53404,"heading":"Dude...","article":"...if you're gonna play off someone else, at least try to make it funny...","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 16:31:44","modified":"2003-04-25 16:31:44","fileurl":""},{"id":53422,"heading":"Simple","article":"Hey Slayer!\r\n\r\nScroll down to the bottom of this dispatch from the Agence France-Presse.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sg.news.yahoo.com\/030423\/1\/3abga.html\r\n\r\nSeems that doctors without frontiers says there isn't a large-scale health crisis in Iraq. Curious.\r\n\r\nOh well. Better luck next time.\r\nOh, ","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 16:46:32","modified":"2003-04-25 16:46:32","fileurl":""},{"id":53479,"heading":"Why not give the full quote?","article":"The full of which Psymon used only the part that made his desired point without giving the full quote which makes for a weaker case:\r\n\r\n"The Doctors Without Borders (MSF) group said that Baghdad hospitals are in dire straits, but that there was no large-scale health crisis in the country."\r\n\r\nA couple of observations:\r\n\r\n1. "Baghdad hospitals are in dire straits,..."\r\n\r\n2. How long have they been in country?\r\n\r\n3. Upon what is the conclusion based?\r\n\r\n4. Crisis is malleable term. It may simply mean that the person making the comment was unaware of any "crisis". \r\n\r\nSelective quotation of a snippet is a great way to disinform. Great Job Psymon!","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 17:52:22","modified":"2003-04-25 17:52:22","fileurl":""},{"id":53483,"heading":"Pot, meet kettle","article":"'1. "Baghdad hospitals are in dire straits,..."'\r\n\r\n"Selective quotation of a snippet is a great way to disinform. Great Job Psymon!"\r\n\r\nYou too, Diogones.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 17:57:10","modified":"2003-04-25 17:57:10","fileurl":""},{"id":53490,"heading":"Ha, ha, davemoron...","article":"As I am sure you overlooked, since I don't think you read too well, or appear not to, I posted the full quote before pointing out the snippet Psymon omitted.\r\n\r\nAs always you are unable to engage in HONEST argumentation.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:09:23","modified":"2003-04-25 18:09:23","fileurl":""},{"id":53493,"heading":"riiiiiiiight","article":">As always you are unable to engage in HONEST argumentation.\r\n\r\nOh plaese.\r\n\r\nThis from the same person who can't admit that two people can examine the same "evidence" and come away with different conclusions.","author":"@&!^","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:14:15","modified":"2003-04-25 18:14:15","fileurl":""},{"id":53495,"heading":"Oh, since we're being HONEST...","article":"...you left out a good quote:\r\n\r\n"MSF has not found any reason to justify a major humanitarian medical programme in Iraq," said MSF international president Morten Rostrup.\r\n\r\nAlso, you said:\r\n"2. How long have they been in country?"\r\n\r\nAhhh...more Indymedia double standards.\r\n"They haven't found WMD YET?!"\r\n\r\n"Give the MSF more time...I'm sure they'll find a health crisis if they look long enough!"\r\n\r\nExplain that one, Skippy.","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:16:46","modified":"2003-04-25 18:16:46","fileurl":""},{"id":53496,"heading":"Simple","article":"I posted a link to the entire article. Anyone reading it would conclude that the doctors without frontiers organization believes that conditions at Baghdad hospitals are bad, but that elsewhere there is no health-care crisis.\r\n\r\nNow this flys somewhat in the face of talking heads like 'slayer' who insist that we are committing 'genocide' in Iraq.\r\n\r\nWhere do you stand on the 'genocide' assertion, Diogenes? ","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:17:27","modified":"2003-04-25 18:17:27","fileurl":""},{"id":53502,"heading":"Speaking of Flys...","article":"...anybody got a can of "Raid"?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:21:36","modified":"2003-04-25 18:21:36","fileurl":""},{"id":53524,"heading":"Simple","article":"I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.\r\n\r\nDo you agree with 'slayer' that the United States, under the direction of President Bush is in the process of committing genocide against the Afghanis, Iraqis, and 'Palestinians'?\r\n\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 18:51:42","modified":"2003-04-25 18:51:42","fileurl":""},{"id":53530,"heading":"daveman flyby","article":"","author":"terrist","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-04-25 18:59:22","modified":"2005-08-15 01:27:31","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/daveman.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/daveman.jpg"}},{"id":53562,"heading":"LISTEN UP PPLZ","article":"yay now that the iraqis are free they are free to do whatever they want look at what they are doing\r\n\r\nplz come to my thread for further details\r\ncopy and paste link\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/04\/53553.php\r\nlook at the picture of what iraqis(shiites) do now that saddam is gone","author":"mkj","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-04-25 20:32:51","modified":"2005-08-15 01:27:31","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/7.jpghemtjx.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/7.jpghemtjx.jpg"}},{"id":53629,"heading":"terrist","article":"Does your mom know you so that stuff with her computer?","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:05:53","modified":"2003-04-25 22:05:53","fileurl":""},{"id":53632,"heading":"Diogones","article":"Notice your typical shill tactic of dodging the question and engaging in ad hominem attacks. \r\n\r\nOoops! Your double standards are showing again!","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:07:28","modified":"2003-04-25 22:07:28","fileurl":""},{"id":53633,"heading":"Hello?","article":"Speaking gibberish now, aye daveman?","author":"Gibbery","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:07:58","modified":"2003-04-25 22:07:58","fileurl":""},{"id":53646,"heading":"Giblet","article":"Nope. Are you?","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:27:41","modified":"2003-04-25 22:27:41","fileurl":""},{"id":53648,"heading":"Hello?","article":""Does your mom know you so that stuff with her computer?"\r\n\r\nDoes that sentence make any sense to you?\r\n\r\n","author":"Gibbery","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:29:15","modified":"2003-04-25 22:29:15","fileurl":""},{"id":53658,"heading":"typo","article":""...DO that stuff with her computer."\r\n\r\nHappy now? ","author":"daveman","parent_id":53010,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 22:41:49","modified":"2003-04-25 22:41:49","fileurl":""}]}