{"article":{"id":52306,"heading":"Impact of Iraqi defeat on Islam","author":"Hal Lindsey","created":"2003-04-22 16:19:08","modified":"2003-04-25 20:52:12","last_modified":"Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:52:12","article":"

Islamic militant Abdullah Azzam boasted to a crowd of American Muslims in 1988, \"After [the defeat of the USSR in] Afghanistan, nothing is impossible for us anymore. There are no superpowers ... what matters is the willpower that springs from our religious belief.\"

El Sayyid Nosair, the man charged with killing Rabbi Meir Kahane, wrote, \"We have to thoroughly demoralize the enemies of God by means of destroying and blowing up the towers that constitute the pillars of their civilization, such as the high buildings of which they are so proud.\"

This is the thinking behind the creation of the al-Qaida terrorist organization. It was this Muslim conviction that led straight to the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United States.

For those who understand the Muslim mind, any sign of weakness any hint that the U.S. lacks resolve to defend itself will only inspire more lethal attacks on our shores.

This is just the opposite of the usual \"liberal wisdom\" that says we must not incite \"the Arab street.\" They would have us hesitate, negotiate, placate but in no way irritate the Muslim world for fear we will create more ill will toward us.

It is true that there are certain risks to the bold moves the United States and the coalition have taken. But there were no alternatives. We did not directly provoke the attacks on 9-11. And if we failed to boldly respond, it would not have prevented more attacks, but rather encouraged them.

It is very important to understand how the average Muslim thinks. The Koran teaches him that the Muslim warrior will be invincible when he fights in a holy war or jihad. They believe that it is a sacred duty to fight and recover any Muslim land that is taken by the infidel. This is especially true of territory that contains Muslim holy places like Jerusalem.

They believe that the Middle East is the heart of their world. Any incursion into that territory by Western forces is considered a new invasion of the \"Judeo-Christian Crusaders\" no matter what reason we give.

This is why there is no possible acceptance of the state of Israel. And this is why there are such bizarre responses to the U.S.-led overthrow of the brutal Saddam Hussein regime and the liberation of the Iraqi people.

Islam creates such a 'machismo' type of pride, that Muslims will do all kinds of irrational things to avenge its wounds. There is no way for the Western mind to understand the depths of anguish and humiliation Muslims feel because of Western defeats of their armies.

The humiliation Israel's military victories have inflicted on them is unbearable. And now the two rapid victories the United States has achieved over Afghanistan and Iraq have compounded the sense of humiliation.

Even Israeli generals have conceded that the defeat of Iraq, one of the most powerful Muslim armies in the Middle East, by only three divisions in 22 days with only 100 casualties is amazing. Some Israeli generals say it surpasses their 1967 victory in the Six Day War.

All of this is reflected in quotes from Muslims in various Middle Eastern countries.

Saddam Hussein has killed more Arabs and other Muslims in three decades than have the wars involving Israel and the United States combined. The atrocities uncovered by coalition forces as they swept through Iraq are inconsequential to the Arab \"street\" when measured against the blow struck to Arab pride by the lightning defeat of what had previously been the most powerful military machine in the Arab world.

Aljazeera.net wrote:

The Arab world was in shock and denial on Thursday after Baghdad fell almost without a fight, bringing to an end President Saddam Hussein's 24-year rule. Many felt let down by demise of a figure who had represented a rare source of Arab defiance of American power others were more shocked by his own people's failure to defend or mourn him, and saw it as a warning to other unelected Arab rulers.

A schoolteacher in Sanaa, Yemen, said, \"I still cannot believe that the Americans entered Baghdad this easily. If a deal was struck with Saddam, then that proves that he staked his people and the hopes of all Arabs in order to survive.\"

A Jordanian Engineer, Samir Ezzat, was very bitter over the images of Baghdad's fall he saw taking place live on the Al-Jazeera TV Network. He lamented, \"Once more the Arabs have been humiliated and deceived like the crushing defeat we faced during the 1967 war with Israel, despite the thunderous promises of victory [Egyptian President Gamal] Nasser made.\"

In the hundreds of interviews of Muslims throughout the Islamic world, one thing came across loud and clear. It was much more important to them that the Iraqis defeat the U.S.-UK infidel invaders than it was for a ruthless tyrant to be removed and the horribly oppressed Muslim brothers of Iraq liberated.

To me, there is something very sick about a religion that produces such an attitude.

Their \"macho\"-type pride and their hatred of Israel and the West seems to overrule even common wisdom that would be in their own best interest.

It is worth noting that Israel sat out both Persian Gulf War I and II. But the Arab world can overlook all that and somehow see Israel's hand in their humiliation. In an article entitled, \"I Am An Arab\" in Dar al Hayat this week, author Jihad al Khazen writes, \"Iraq is now ruled by the representative of the Jewish Institute For National Security Affairs.\"

And the Muslim escape from reason plunges onward, in spite of the facts to the contrary.



<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"www.hallindsey.com","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"In the hundreds of interviews of Muslims throughout the Islamic world, one thing came across loud and clear. It was much more important to them that the Iraqis defeat the U.S.-UK infidel invaders than it was for a ruthless tyrant to be removed and the horribly oppressed Muslim brothers of Iraq liberated.","numcomment":54,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/04\/52306.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":52309,"heading":"Liar","article":"'This is the thinking behind the creation of the al-Qaida terrorist organization. It was\r\n this Muslim conviction that led straight to the 9-11 terrorist attacks on the United\r\n States. '","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2003-04-22 16:38:17","modified":"2005-08-15 01:27:11","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/bsmeter.gifta28sf.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/bsmeter.gifta28sf.gif"}},{"id":52310,"heading":"So we're just supposed to...","article":"...roll over for the Islamikazes?\r\n\r\nAre you one of those pukes who thinks we deserved to get attacked?\r\n\r\nYeah...I bet you are.","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 16:44:13","modified":"2003-04-22 16:44:13","fileurl":""},{"id":52321,"heading":"Maybe","article":"they'll pay less heed to their hate mongering "holy men" who have everything to lose if Iraq becomes a truly democratic state and not another form of brutal theocracy. \r\n\r\nA vain hope though.","author":"Josef","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:17:33","modified":"2003-04-22 17:17:33","fileurl":""},{"id":52324,"heading":"Daveman = Racist","article":"David Simon,\r\n\r\nYou paint yourself as a racist with this stereotype: 'Islamikazes'. It must be nice to sit in one's Ivory Tower and cast aspersions on others. So were are the terrorists with the weapons of mass destruction? In the Middle East, surely there is one country that has WMDs that we all know. This country's name begins with 'I' and is only about 50 years old. Care to guess which is the real terrorist nation(s)?","author":"Observer","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:19:15","modified":"2003-04-22 17:19:15","fileurl":""},{"id":52326,"heading":"Josef","article":""Hatemongering 'holy men.'" \r\nOh, you mean JERRY FALWELL.\r\nGo blow up an abortion clinic, you nut.","author":"occasional writer","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:20:26","modified":"2003-04-22 17:20:26","fileurl":""},{"id":52327,"heading":"Observer","article":"Hey, I know the answer to that question!","author":"Ariel Sharon","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:21:23","modified":"2003-04-22 17:21:23","fileurl":""},{"id":52336,"heading":"Racist? No.","article":"Islamikazes are of no particular race. Look at John Walker Lindh; he's a white guy. Fanatical fundamentalis Muslims are of many races. The soldier who fragged his officers was African American. The terrorist Muslims in the Phillipines are Filipino, I think. Of course, many are Arabs of various nationalities. \r\n\r\nWhat I abhor is a group who has vowed the violent destruction of all those who do not convert to their belief system, who think killing civilians with airliners and dynamite belts is a viable, legitmate form of political expression, who think that another group of people should be enslaved and killed. \r\n\r\nNot all followers of Islam are such, though. The Muslims I've met in the Middle East have all been kind, family-oriented people who just want to get through life - have fun, raise kids, do good work...just like people everywhere. But then there are the nutcases who pervert their religion to justify their genocidal agendas... \r\n\r\nRacist? No. Hater of cowardly terrorists? Yes, emphatically.\r\n\r\n"This country's name begins with 'I' and is only about 50 years old. Care to guess which is the real terrorist nation(s)?"\r\n\r\nMethinks I hear a bit of anti-Semitism there. Racist? Hmmm...","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:33:49","modified":"2003-04-22 17:33:49","fileurl":""},{"id":52339,"heading":"Question for daveman","article":"What religion did Timothy McVeigh practice, you Islamophobe?","author":"He who loves truth","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:39:07","modified":"2003-04-22 17:39:07","fileurl":""},{"id":52344,"heading":"I dunno.","article":"Does it matter?\r\n\r\nI am no Islamophobe, as you could tell if you actually read my previous post. \r\n\r\nWhat I dislike is any group that perverts their religion...WHATEVER it is... to justify murder.\r\n\r\nWhat about that is so hard for you to understand?","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:44:24","modified":"2003-04-22 17:44:24","fileurl":""},{"id":52355,"heading":"daveman","article":""I dunno. Does it matter?" \r\nChristianity.\r\nI am no Islamophobe, as you could tell if you actually read my previous post. \r\nI DID read your post and "Islamophobe" is the first word that came to mind. It sure is odd that you don't mention ANY OHTER RELIGION in your post but Islam.\r\nWhat about that is so hard for you to understand?\r\nI call them as I see them. No amount of spin is going to make me see otherwise.","author":"He who loves truth","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 17:54:33","modified":"2003-04-22 17:54:33","fileurl":""},{"id":52469,"heading":"TBN","article":"Hal Lindsey is on that phoney so called christian network called TBN , the Trinity Broadcasting network, the one that brings us Benny Henn and all the other has beens and nut cases. This alone removes any credibility he might have. He is just part of the Zionest extrime right wing party supported by the hawks like rumsfeld and Wolfawoitz.\r\n I mean how does this organization get away with not paying taxes? They are making boatloads of money with their stars Paul and Jan. They are exacatly like Jim and Tammy FAE, right down to the fake hair and all. They use Christianity to win public support for the Bush plan of corporate empire. TBN is really just anthor corporate media propaganda tool of the corporate military elite.","author":"wavemaster","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 01:00:43","modified":"2003-04-23 01:00:43","fileurl":""},{"id":52513,"heading":"This should clear things up","article":"This should help out with all the confusion about Israel being a terrorist state.\r\n\r\n"Whosoever Blesses Them \r\nThe intifada and its defenders. \r\nby Larry Miller \r\n04\/22\/2002 12:00:00 AM \r\n\r\n \r\n I WAS WATCHING Greta Van Facelift on Fox the other night, and she and her guests made me talk back to the TV. Shout back, actually. Nothing witty or trenchant, you understand, just something like, "Oh, come on!" Now, to be honest, it was late, and I was downstairs alone, and I was a little, what's the word . . . loaded, yes, that's the word. I was a little shined up. A little spiffed and a little miffed, and I shouted something and angrily turned off the remote. I don't know exactly how angrily a remote can be turned off, but as angrily as you can push a pfennig-sized piece of round plastic, that's how angrily I did it. Then I walked back to the bar, made myself one-for-the-stairs (as opposed to one-for-the-road) and read some P.G. Wodehouse to restore my cheery nature. But back to the freshly-tightened Greta. \r\n\r\nHer guests were (INSERT INDISTINGUISHABLE ARAB NAME), from Hamas, and their attorney, Stanley Cohen. No, that's not a joke. Would that it were. Stanley Cohen, the attorney for Hamas. Check that handle again: Stanley Cohen. I mean, if you tried to make up a better name than that, you couldn't do it. Let's give it a shot, though, shall we? Irving Lefkowitz. Nah, too obvious. Lew Fishman. No, no, sounds like a carpet salesman. Isaac Bashevis Singer? Now I'm reaching. Nope, you just can't beat good ol' Stan Cohen. Yes, Stanley Cohen, folks, a hard-left, righteously indignant true-believer, an honors graduate from the William Kunstler School of Just-Not-Getting-It-And-Never-Will, who had flown all the way from New York to sit next to his wonderful client over there in not the land of milk and honey. Stanley Cohen. A man who, if he listened very carefully, would no doubt hear voices in the next room planning to blow the eyes out of more of his nieces and nephews. Stanley Cohen, and even typing that name right now and remembering this horrible man damning his own people again and again and again, I crack a nervous smile, because they're my people, too, and, God help me, if I didn't laugh, I think I might cry. \r\n\r\nOddly enough, out of the three of them, the homunculus from Hamas didn't bother me at all. I mean, if you think about it, why should he bother any American? We know exactly who he is and, in a way, we should be grateful for that. Because if we're only willing to absorb their own words--nevermind their demonic deeds--he and his brethren have a perfectly uncomplicated point of view and agenda, and their clarity should give us our own clarity, and wouldn't that be refreshing? You want us dead? Well, now, isn't that a funny coincidence. Guess what we want? \r\n\r\nMy point is, if American TV calls up and wants to put these philanthropists on, who could blame them for saying, "Sure!" I can just see them bursting out laughing and slapping each other on the back. ("They're going to put us on Fox TV! I told you terror works! And I'll bet their Green Room beats the snot out of Al Jazeera. I mean, please, how many olives can you eat?") If we're stupid enough to do that, I don't blame them for taking us up on it. All they have to do is take a few minutes away from packing rusty nails around the C4, pick one of their guys who looks, relatively, the least like a vicious scumbag, borrow a suit, and send him forth to smile for the cameras. With Stanley Cohen. \r\n\r\nBut let's leave the newly-stretched Greta for a moment, as well as our friends Stanley and Ishmael (no joke, his real name). A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few paragraphs, which is all you really need. Don't thank me. I'm a giver. Here we go: \r\n\r\nThe Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters." \r\n\r\nOkay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the last thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living. That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course--that's where the real fun is--but mostly they want Israel. Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel--or "The Zionist Entity" as their textbooks call it--for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something. It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one. \r\n\r\nChew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding. \r\n\r\nMy friend Kevin Rooney made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the numbers. Imagine five hundred million Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not. Or marshalling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab state into the sea? Nonsense. Or dancing for joy at the murder of innocents? Impossible. Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting. No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death. \r\n\r\nMr. Bush, God bless him, is walking a tightrope. I understand that with vital operations coming up against Iraq and others, it's in our interest, as Americans, to try to stabilize our Arab allies as much as possible, and, after all, that can't be much harder than stabilizing a roomful of supermodels who've just had their drugs taken away. However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some. After September 11 our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint. If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan. (Hey, wait a minute, that's actually not such a bad id . . . uh, that is, what a horrible thought, yeah, horrible.) \r\n\r\nThere's bad news on the losing moral weight front, and the signs are out there. Last week, the day after Secretary Powell left on his mission (whatever that was), the Los Angeles Times ran its lead editorial in one hundred percent support of the trip and the pressure he and President Bush were putting on Israel. Here's a good rule of thumb: If the Los Angeles Times thinks you're doing a great job, everything you're doing is wrong, stupid and mortally dangerous. If they think everything you're doing is wrong, stupid and mortally dangerous, you're doing a great job, and, in fact, your chances are probably very good for getting on the fast track for sainthood. \r\n\r\nSo, now, back to Greta. You know what made me mad enough to shout? You might not even think it was that big a thing. \r\n\r\nAfter the show she said to these guys, "Thank you, gentlemen, for being my guests." "Gentlemen." "Guests." "My guests." That's what it's come to with these non-judgmental hosts and hostesses. Nice, huh? "Thank you, Mr. Stalin, sir, for being so gracious in giving us your valuable time." "My eternal gratitude, Chairman Mao, for taking precious moments away from your splendid Five-Year Plan and visiting with us in this most convivial way." \r\n\r\nAnd I winced, and grunted, and shouted. Oh, yeah, and made that drink. \r\n\r\nI mean, please, folks. In 1941, did reporters feel it was their duty to give equal time to Hitler and Hirohito? Would Stanley Cohen have represented them? Ok, Stanley probably would have, but would any American have stood still while he told us about it? \r\n \r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 04:52:19","modified":"2003-04-23 04:52:19","fileurl":""},{"id":52520,"heading":"He who loves what he thinks is the truth","article":"Islamophobe?\r\n\r\nWhat part of "Not all followers of Islam are such, though. The Muslims I've met in the Middle East have all been kind, family-oriented people who just want to get through life - have fun, raise kids, do good work...just like people everywhere" is giving you trouble?\r\n\r\nOh, I think I get it...I say that I abhor violence in the name of religion, and that some percentage of Muslims do that. Therefore, that's a blanket condemnation of all Islam. \r\n\r\nFurther, because I do not jump on the lefty bandwagon and condemn Israel as a terrorist state (anti-Semitism--the last acceptable racism), you see that as an attack on Islam. \r\n\r\nIslamophobe? No. Hater of cowardly terrorists? Yes, emphatically. \r\n\r\nAnd you can throw in a fair amount of disgust for those who sling around the label "racist" liberally (no pun intended).","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 07:47:17","modified":"2003-04-23 07:47:17","fileurl":""},{"id":52530,"heading":"So what your saying is","article":"that anyone who criticizes Israel is an Anti semite?","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 08:53:57","modified":"2003-04-23 08:53:57","fileurl":""},{"id":52536,"heading":"Not at all...","article":"...just as those who criticize Islam are not Islamophobes.","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 09:10:33","modified":"2003-04-23 09:10:33","fileurl":""},{"id":52538,"heading":"Do you think","article":"the Pro life christian (anti abortion) movement\r\nof extremists represents all christians?","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 09:16:45","modified":"2003-04-23 09:16:45","fileurl":""},{"id":52541,"heading":"Nope.","article":""Extremists" by definition do not represent the mainstream.","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 09:49:15","modified":"2003-04-23 09:49:15","fileurl":""},{"id":52568,"heading":"daveman","article":"If you don't like "extremists," then why did you blow up two abortion clinics?","author":"Dr. Slepian","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 13:22:48","modified":"2003-04-23 13:22:48","fileurl":""},{"id":52575,"heading":"Yo, Doc...","article":"...why do you assume it was me? \r\n\r\nAs a matter of fact, why do you assume ANYthing about me?\r\n\r\nAll you have to do is ask.\r\n\r\nWhile I don't agree with abortion, there is no difference between abortion and killing the doctors who perform them. Both are no-nos.","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 13:31:24","modified":"2003-04-23 13:31:24","fileurl":""},{"id":52578,"heading":"davie","article":"If you are so against "murder," why do you support the death penalty (like all "good" conservatives)?","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 13:32:58","modified":"2003-04-23 13:32:58","fileurl":""},{"id":52770,"heading":"Simple","article":"Because the death penalty is execution of the GUILTY.\r\n\r\nMurder is execution of the INNOCENT.\r\n\r\nI realize that such distinctions may be difficult for a person raised in a values-neutral environment to understand, but do try.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:30:45","modified":"2003-04-23 17:30:45","fileurl":""},{"id":52773,"heading":"Simpleton Simon","article":""Because the death penalty is execution of the GUILTY."\r\nOh, yeah. So there's NEVER been ONE innocent person put to death under capital punishment. I've got some swampland in Louisiana I'd like to sell you.\r\n\r\n"Murder is execution of the INNOCENT."\r\nOh, like Iraqi civilians? \r\n\r\n"I realize that such distinctions may be difficult for a person raised in a values-neutral environment to understand, but do try."\r\nYour "values" aren't fit for a Neanderthal, and would be rejected as such.\r\n\r\nGo blow up an abortion clinic, you nutcase.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:36:49","modified":"2003-04-23 17:36:49","fileurl":""},{"id":52776,"heading":"Yes, in the great world...","article":"...of situational ethics, of the generation who grew up with "if it feels good, do it", in the PC land of not offending anyone, in the place where they appease those who want to kill them, there is no room for such base, common ideas such as "good" and "evil".","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:39:26","modified":"2003-04-23 17:39:26","fileurl":""},{"id":52779,"heading":"daveman","article":""...there is no room for such base, common ideas such as "good" and "evil"."\r\nNo, only in YOUR simple, little world. Everything is either black or white. Ahhh, the mind of a child.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:42:07","modified":"2003-04-23 17:42:07","fileurl":""},{"id":52781,"heading":"10000","article":"The world is 10,000 shades of gray, in the mind of a child.","author":"grey","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:45:33","modified":"2003-04-23 17:45:33","fileurl":""},{"id":52784,"heading":"Simple","article":"Lush, do you have an argument?\r\n\r\nYour smarmy answer suggests that you know of an innocent person put to death in this country by the government. Got a name? And while you\u2019re at it, desperately attempting to find a needle in a haystack, are you going to acknowledge the haystack? More plainly, in your research to find an \u2018innocent\u2019 executed by the State, are you willing to accept the \u2018guilt\u2019 of the rest?\r\n\r\nYour reference to Iraqi civilians killed during time of war makes no sense. Iraqi civilians killed during time of war which are not intentionally targeted are not victims of murder.\r\n\r\nThe idea that you profess to have a higher set of values than me is laughable.\r\n\r\nGo defend another mass-murdering despot, you coward.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:47:46","modified":"2013-11-11 00:15:28","fileurl":""},{"id":52785,"heading":"grey (gwb)","article":"The mind of a child knows no gray. Everything is either black or white. Night or day. One must not ask them to think. This is the same way one should treat a conservative. You're either with me or against me.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:48:58","modified":"2003-04-23 17:48:58","fileurl":""},{"id":52786,"heading":"Simpleton Simon","article":"You are either brainwashed or naive. I don't care to figure out which it is. Keep living in your own little world. Just don't bother the mentally stable with your ramblings. Just keep saying the following: Capital punishment GOOD, abortion, BAD.\r\n","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 17:53:04","modified":"2003-04-23 17:53:04","fileurl":""},{"id":52792,"heading":"Lush Rimshot","article":"Black and white? Believe it or not, some situations boil down to that. Which shade of gray is a genocidal madman who gasses his own people? Which shade of gray is the man who kills 6 million people because they're the wrong religion? Which shade of gray is the man who blows himself up at a restaraunt, killing babies and old people? Close enough to jet black for me.\r\n\r\nNo one's disputing that innocent people are unjust executed by the State. It's horrible, but it happens. But that's why there is appeal after appeal, motion after motion, to try to minimize the chances of the innocent man's execution. \r\n\r\nShades of gray? Yes, many. But they do not preclude the existence of black and white. ","author":"daveman","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:02:55","modified":"2003-04-23 18:02:55","fileurl":""},{"id":52793,"heading":"Simple","article":"Abortion is the execution of the INNOCENT.\r\n\r\nYou are all for this.\r\n\r\nCapital punishment is the execution of the GUILTY.\r\n\r\nYou are opposed to this.\r\n\r\nThis makes you a grade-a moral midget.\r\n\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:04:22","modified":"2003-04-23 18:04:22","fileurl":""},{"id":52796,"heading":"daveman","article":""No one's disputing that innocent people are unjust executed by the State."\r\nGeee, maybe you should peruse Simpleton Simon's post. He lives in his own little world.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:06:29","modified":"2003-04-23 18:06:29","fileurl":""},{"id":52799,"heading":"Simpleton Simon","article":""Abortion is the execution of the INNOCENT." \r\nRepeat after me: A FETUS IS A PERSON. A FETUS IS A PERSON. \r\nSaying it does not make it so.\r\n\r\n"Capital punishment is the execution of the GUILTY."\r\nRepeat after me: EVERYONE WHO IS EXECUTED BY THE STATE IS GUILTY. EVERYONE WHO IS EXECUTED BY THE STATE IS GUILTY. THE STATE HAS NEVER EXECUTED ANY INNOCENT PERSON. THE STATE HAS NEVER EXECUTED ANY INNOCENT PERSON.\r\nSaying it does not make it so. Just keep living in your little dream world, where everything is black and white. Night and day. I know how you like simple things. \r\n\r\n"This makes you a grade-a moral midget."\r\nWhat a surprise! A conservative who's claiming to be "Mr. Moral." Somebody give me a nickel. \r\n","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:11:59","modified":"2003-04-23 18:11:59","fileurl":""},{"id":52802,"heading":"ow","article":">The mind of a child knows no gray. Everything is either black or white. Night or day. One must not ask them to think. \r\n\r\nThis is a statement from someone who has never had children.\r\n\r\nChildren see 10,000 shades of grey. They don't know the difference between right and wrong. They have to be taught.\r\n\r\nAdults recognize that right and wrong exists. Right and wrong is black and white.","author":"grey","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:17:13","modified":"2003-04-23 18:17:13","fileurl":""},{"id":52815,"heading":"grey","article":"I'm talking politics and world affairs, while you insist on talking about the disciplining of children. Please go talk to a wall.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:21:56","modified":"2003-04-23 18:21:56","fileurl":""},{"id":52823,"heading":"Simple","article":"Lush, a fetus is a person in embryonic stage.\r\n\r\nIf a fetus is not actively interfered with, it will become a person.\r\n\r\nThere is much research to suggest that a fetus is aware of it's surroundings and has brainwave activity early in it's existence.\r\n\r\nBut you'll keep your hands to your ears and keep repeating, it's a choice, it's a choice...\r\n\r\nAnd I'm still waiting for the name of an innocent person executed by the state. C'mon, it shouldn't be that hard, if the state is so corrupt and is constantly railroading innocent minorites.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:27:39","modified":"2003-04-23 18:27:39","fileurl":""},{"id":52825,"heading":"ow","article":"Liberals ARE children. That's why when I speak to you I talk at your level, so just maybe you can comprehend. I see you can't. Typical of liberals.\r\n\r\nThey're a place for people like you. The vacuum hose at an abortion clinic.","author":"grey","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:30:38","modified":"2003-04-23 18:30:38","fileurl":""},{"id":52827,"heading":"I repeat","article":"I'm talking politics and world affairs, while you insist on talking about the disciplining of children. Please go talk to a wall.\r\n\r\nThere's a place for people like you. It's called a septic tank.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:32:24","modified":"2003-04-23 18:32:24","fileurl":""},{"id":52828,"heading":"Simpleton Simon","article":""But you'll keep your hands to your ears and keep repeating, it's a choice, it's a choice..."\r\nNo, you're not close-minded, ARE you? You are the epitomy of hypocrisy. ","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 18:34:19","modified":"2003-04-23 18:34:19","fileurl":""},{"id":52906,"heading":"Death penalty","article":"Death penalty when used in the prefered way is not so much killing the guilty but killing the guilty and likely to kill again. it is acombination of "you are really dangerous" and "you were so bad we feel ok about killing you because you are dangerous".\r\n\r\nThere is a trade off with the death penalty.\r\nYou have these options\r\n1) Kill the murderer and be responsible for that (ahh chineese death vans..)\r\n2) keep him in solitary confinement and be responsible for his food etc AND his long term denial of human rights (oohh the comunist strategy!)\r\n3) keep him in a group prision and be responsible for his influence upon others (almost certainly bad) and also any harm he might visit upon them (quite likely) and the obvious expense involved. (this is our "cultivate criminals in jail policy" or children in -- hardened criminals out)\r\n4) let him out and be responsible for the death of whoever he kills next (like papua new guinea or some other place).","author":"Scottie","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 21:18:17","modified":"2003-04-23 21:18:17","fileurl":""},{"id":52943,"heading":"X","article":"More conservative opinions. Go away, Indymedia doesn't want you 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writer","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 21:56:11","modified":"2003-04-23 21:56:11","fileurl":""},{"id":52946,"heading":"occasional writer","article":""More conservative opinions. Go away, Indymedia doesn't want you here."\r\n\r\nAwwww, c'mon. We're just trying to make this place a hatespeech-filled cesspool. Give us fascists a break!","author":"gwb","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-23 21:59:40","modified":"2003-04-23 21:59:40","fileurl":""},{"id":53022,"heading":"Fools","article":"OK dudes you have convinced me to be a far leftist....\r\n the comunist solution is the way to go.. \r\n\r\nLots of Death sentances \r\nand human rights? what humans have rights?","author":"Scottie","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 07:45:29","modified":"2003-04-24 07:45:29","fileurl":""},{"id":53099,"heading":"Scottie","article":""Lots of Death sentances \r\nand human rights? what humans have rights?"\r\n\r\nOh? So the US-supported dictatorships in the Middle East DON'T have death sentances? They RESPECT human rights? Take your head out of your ass and read a book once in a while.\r\n\r\n","author":"occasional writer","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-24 15:49:49","modified":"2003-04-24 15:49:49","fileurl":""},{"id":53188,"heading":"ahhh","article":"Oh so you have convinced the middle eastern states also?\r\nhmm you have been getting around","author":"Scottie","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 07:30:16","modified":"2003-04-25 07:30:16","fileurl":""},{"id":53247,"heading":"Scottie","article":"Wow. I didn't know that you speak gibberish!","author":"Ronald Dumbsfeld","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 13:28:18","modified":"2003-04-25 13:28:18","fileurl":""},{"id":53564,"heading":"For the Dumb asses","article":"For those of you too stupid to understand\r\n\r\n"US-supported dictatorships" The US donates only a tiny fraction of a country's GDP to them therefore the US doesnt OWN those countries.. it doesnt tell them what religion they should be and it doesnt OWN their human rights record.\r\n \r\nIf the US withdrew all of its support tomorrow those countries would not all colapse - they would continue pretty much as normal (except they would now be really pissed off at the USA).\r\n\r\nLack of human rights is a charactaristic of Comunist \/ despotic states as opposed to democratic capitalist ones (you might dispute this but that would just make you an idiot). so therefore if there is any reason why they lack human rights I will blame you guys (who at least provide a front for both comunism and despotism).","author":"Scottie","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 20:38:29","modified":"2003-04-25 20:38:29","fileurl":""},{"id":53567,"heading":"LISTEN UP PPLZ","article":"ill show you the real impact of iraqs defeat on islam now all the shiites are free to do all their practices that were banned under the saddam regime\r\n\r\nlook at the picture then click link to my thread for more information please contribute to my thread\r\n\r\n\r\nthank you\r\n mkj","author":"mkj","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-04-25 20:40:27","modified":"2005-08-15 01:27:12","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/4.jpgqsg61z.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/4.jpgqsg61z.jpg"}},{"id":53571,"heading":"folloow up to my last entry","article":"picture did not show up for some reason so here it is again with the link to my thread i forgot to put in lol\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/04\/53553.php\r\n\r\nsorry about that pplz","author":"mkj","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-04-25 20:42:52","modified":"2005-08-15 01:27:13","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/4.jpglzazvr.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/04\/4.jpglzazvr.jpg"}},{"id":53572,"heading":"follow up to my last post","article":"FOR SOME REASON PICTURE DOES NOT SHOW UP SO PLZ JUST FOLLOW LINK FOR ALL PICTURES OF THE SHIITE RITUAL \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/04\/53553.php\r\n\r\nOUNCE AGAIN I AM SORRY ","author":"mkj","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 20:45:09","modified":"2003-04-25 20:45:09","fileurl":""},{"id":53580,"heading":"The reason your pic didn't show up","article":"Is because you posted it on a stretched wrap.\r\nNot very bright, are you?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":52306,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-25 20:52:12","modified":"2003-04-25 20:52:12","fileurl":""}]}