{"article":{"id":39140,"heading":"pictures you will NEVER see on US TV","author":"99999999999","created":"2003-03-24 02:36:56","modified":"2005-08-15 01:18:08","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:18:08","article":"

The truth of war will be seen by the rest of the world. Pictures like this are being seen in the Arab world, and there will be more and more terrorists created when they feel they have no hope, when they see an oppressive force in the USA

The U.S. military eats more than half a trillion dollars in a year when you factor all the secondary military flows.

US Citizens, realize that the UN estimates that only $40 billion would feed all hungry in the world for a given year.

I don't have the answers, but I know everything about the way things are organized now is totally fucked up and anything but logical. The Pentagon can't even defend it's own building from (so we are told) four dudes with box cutters after nearly 2 hours advance warning of their arrival......... Nice to know they've spent our $13 trillion well over the last 40 years.

Yes folks.... $40 Billion a year is all it would take to turn the entire world into the biggest pro-America cheering club in history, to buy true security. We don't need to spend $500Billion per year on military. We could spend half as much and have VASTLY more secure nation and world.

I don't have the answers, but we can't ignore contradictions. No Freeper, right-wing freak, troll or whatever can argue the ultimate truth of these contradictions.

http:\/\/www.yellowtimes.org\/civilians.php<\/a><\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"The Right-wing junta is creating another cycle of hate against America, built on a war justified by a massive pile of lies. Thanks Dubya. ","numcomment":71,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/01-basrah-22march03.jpgtdxjfb.jpg","filesize":"15.2 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/39140.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/01-basrah-22march03.jpgtdxjfb.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/01-basrah-22march03.jpgtdxjfb.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":39142,"heading":"just a mask","article":"Um, I'm extremely anti-war, but just for the record, that picture looks like a mask to me, not a real person's head!","author":"troy","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 02:39:31","modified":"2003-03-24 02:39:31","fileurl":""},{"id":39144,"heading":"it's not fake","article":"Follow the link.\r\n\r\nAnd for the record, the skull is not that different from a shell. When it explodes, it can crack just as seen in that picture. Toss on some dust and the pasty look appears, just like a mask.","author":"999999999","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 02:44:23","modified":"2003-03-24 02:44:23","fileurl":""},{"id":39159,"heading":"Understand ISLAM","article":"these pictures are not fake, but your premise is a joke. Read the koran, this has nothing to do with oppression or starvation, muslims must never be humiliated. Muslims can't lose, for they are the chosen of god. Its death for their ego. Boo Hoo Hoo.","author":"Pictures are not Fake","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 03:10:11","modified":"2003-03-24 03:10:11","fileurl":""},{"id":39164,"heading":"nice try, COINTELPRO-man","article":"slick response, Mr. "Pictures are not Fake," but the subtext of your argument is clear.\r\n\r\nCan you say spin?\r\n\r\nObfuscation?\r\n\r\nI thought so. ;-)","author":"999999999","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 03:18:50","modified":"2003-03-24 03:18:50","fileurl":""},{"id":39174,"heading":"I just owned your payphone.","article":"Whos the COINTEL-pro man?\r\n\r\nThis muslim died doing or supporting koranic fun. The picture is real and proudly shown because death is wonderful if your a muslim. In fact they hold up both their enemies and their own organs with praise and big smiles on their face all the time.\r\n\r\nBEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BITCH!\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"The pictures are real","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 03:35:35","modified":"2003-03-24 03:35:35","fileurl":""},{"id":39191,"heading":"pictures are from al-jazeera","article":"go to the source:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.aljazeera.net\/news\/arabic\/2003\/3\/3-22-26.htm\r\n\r\n(in arabic)\r\n","author":"foot","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 04:47:30","modified":"2003-03-24 04:47:30","fileurl":""},{"id":39195,"heading":"Al Jazeera","article":"Al Jazeera. Now there's a credible source. References such as this further demonstrate how exclusive a clique you protesters have become. I saw today's protests; even progressive-packed networks like CNN and MSNBC are too conservative for you. Weapons of mass distraction, you say. You spat at and attacked KFI and FOX reporters who, despite their conservatism, tried to get honest responses from you. Well, I've got news for you: keep up the communist-funded ANSWER-organized extremism, and reasonable social conservatives who may otherwise be against the war will side with Bush in protest of your tactics. If you ask me, that's why your numbers have dissipated over the past weeks.\n\nMy message: propping up Al Jazeera as a beacon of journalism is a daft move. Everyone knows they're an agency with an agenda.","author":"John Gilbert","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 04:59:05","modified":"2003-03-24 04:59:05","fileurl":""},{"id":39202,"heading":"Al Jazeera is the #1 station American Officials use","article":"to speak to the Arab world. They go on it on a regular basis.\r\n\r\nIt's not unlike CNN when it comes to objectivity. Neither is perfect. But neither can get away with broadcasting 100% lies 100% of the time.\r\n\r\nThe picture is real. Period. End of report. Research the story.\r\n\r\nBut you don't give a shit about that, no doubt. You're here to obfuscate.","author":"99999999999","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:08:40","modified":"2003-03-24 05:08:40","fileurl":""},{"id":39203,"heading":"Odd Wound","article":"That particular injury may be part of some retribution. It looks like an edged-weapon wound. They may have split him like an orange. Hard to say unless we can get in there and have a look before he's buried, which occurs quickly in Muslim countries.","author":"No Longer Amused","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:08:46","modified":"2003-03-24 05:08:46","fileurl":""},{"id":39208,"heading":"Al Jazeera alone","article":"Given how skeptical you are of even progressive-packed networks like CNN and MSNBC, you're rather trusting when it comes to overtly anti-American networks like Al Jazeera.\n\nI'm not here to obfuscate; I am here to seek the truth. And I, for one, will accept nothing reported by only one network, be it FOX, Al Jazeera or CNN. When we see such footage independently verified by an American news source, I will buy it; until then I will treat these reports with a healthy dose of skepticism.\n\nAfter all, as many of your kin said at today's protests, American media are slaves to ratings. If it bleeds, it leads. Just as you might dismiss news items on FOX as pandering to a bloodthirsty conservative audience, I question anything put forth by a news network striving to attract a predominantly anti-U.S. American audience.","author":"John Gilbert","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:23:49","modified":"2003-03-24 05:23:49","fileurl":""},{"id":39209,"heading":"most of you are missing the point I opened this thread with","article":"more pictures of this person and others\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/03\/1588323.php","author":"99999999999","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:24:24","modified":"2003-03-24 05:24:24","fileurl":""},{"id":39211,"heading":"Correction","article":"At the end, I meant "Middle Eastern audience" rather than "American audience."","author":"John Gilbert","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:25:20","modified":"2003-03-24 05:25:20","fileurl":""},{"id":39230,"heading":"Media given you a break","article":"To really discredit you assholes, all a major network has to do is get a close up. All fotage of protests is from way up high out of reach of your stupidity on TV. They need to see the pali and iraqi flag waiving, Maujedeen scribbling, hooded criminals, and the religious convoulsing of Reverend B Shitheads. hear the moronic chanting, allah praiseing, smell the chemical imbalance, taste the unshoweredness in the air...\r\n\r\nTHE MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS ARE YOUR ALIES.","author":"discredit","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 06:14:19","modified":"2003-03-24 06:14:19","fileurl":""},{"id":39353,"heading":"kosmos","article":"step back , take a breath. rage, anger, screaming, yelling, becoming mad, feeling enraged, throwing rocks, spitting on other people. these are not examples of peaceful people or "peace" loving people. if you expect your "leader" to act in a humane mannner, then why do you act in the exact opposite way in expressing your feelings toward what they are doing. internal control of your own actions as well as your reaction to coming in contact with people who disagree with you is the real measure of your "peaceful" nature. reality, millions of people live like dogs in iraq and have for decades. one man and his "boys" live like the biggest ballers you have ever heard of, making guys like snoop, dre, p-diddy et. al. look like school kids with there first found quarter. billions of dollars change hands with that "regime" few of the dollars flow down to the people of the country. that is who we are fighting, and if you spend more than 5 minutes watching the so called corporate reporting outlets you will see with your own eyes the methodical reality of the current operation. think of the biggest bully you have ver met, think back to when you were a kid, that one guy, that big fat one who was your age but who grew faster and bigger than most and tried to control ya'll, he sucked, he manipulated. or hw about your boss at work, who uses his position and power to rule you, times this by 20,000,000,000 and you will know what it is like to live under this man's regime. \r\n\r\ni am the son of a women who was taken by NAZI germans, lined up and almost shot, who had her house taken over by the nazi's, who lived in the caves of northern greece for months while the germans lived like kings in her house and ate her chickens, fruits, vegetables. i am the husband of a women who lived in refugee camps from age 5-7 after her whole life and the life of her 8 siblings was taken by the communists in vietnam. believe me, through listening to their stories, this is no fucken joke. people are slaves in their own country and have been for many many years. \r\n\r\nmoreover, global domination is not possible by america, because there is no such thing as america. america is everyone. look at the list of people who were killed at the world trade center, a person represented from almost every country, religion, ethinicity, socioeconomic group on planet earth. and if you don't like jr. bush, show up in november 2004 and get rid of him. it is as easy as that. \r\n\r\n wake up, look around, you live (if you live in la) in the largest experiment the world has every seen. more people from more countries than anyother place or time in history. and we get along, mostly. no where else in the world can sustain such a diverse group of people. \r\n\r\n i have been to asia, europe, africa, so. america and there ain't nothing like la anywhere in the world. but wouldn't it be nice if there was, wouldn't it be nice if the world operated like this country and you can protest at anytime anywhere without fear of death or death of your family. you do not have it so bad,i suspect that many of you are a bunch of spoiled brat rich kids that have way too much free time on your hands. i was at the d2kla rally i have 20 hours of video that i shot at that event....and i have watched it. rich white spoiled brats living off daddy's money. guilty that you have never worked a day in your life, (can't count designing graphics for eatme.com as a job, yo). feel some pain, live your life a bit, then start complaining about how bad everyone else is. i commend you for taking a stand, think deeply about what you are doing before you do it, rebel not for the sake of rebellion, but for a real cause. \r\n\r\n WE ARE TAKING OVER IRAQ SO THAT THE PEOPLE CAN LIVE THEIR LIVES. LOOK AT AFGANISTAN, THEY ARE UNDER SELF RULE. TRY READING THE ECONOMIST ONCE AND A WHILE WHERE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE RULES AND STOP LISTENING TO BLABBALING MOUTHS OF PEOPLE WHO READ THEIR LINES OFF A PAGE WRITTEN BY SOMEONE ELSE (ACTORS AND MUSICIANS) FOR A LIVING WHO GET THERE FACTS FROM TALK SHOWS.\r\n\r\n","author":"kosmos","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 09:42:34","modified":"2003-03-24 09:42:34","fileurl":""},{"id":39358,"heading":"About the media...","article":"Well people...today was a sucess. For the most part we were peacefull...people got a little enraged and something happened on Wilcox and Sunset that I would personally like to know about...does anyone know? Anyone see it first hand?\r\n\r\nAbout COPORATE MEDIA!!!!\r\n\r\nTo say that everything this portion of the media reprts is a lie...is ignorant and just stupid....to sya that everything they report is truthfull is just as stupid and ignorant...you have to listen carefully. Listen to what each reporter says and how they say it. And then check out all indy media and find reports about what you just heard and shift through the bullshit . Often you will come to your own conclusion which is all we have, since we are not there. \r\n\r\nFor example...I just heard the word "stalled" on CNN...thirty seconds ago. That word could mean anything. Often these reporters on CNN are reporting thier opinions also...thiere are a few good reprters, whom from what I heard them say...I trust. And if you listen...you often hear conflicting reports, so just sift through the bullshit with common sense and LISTEN!!! \r\n\r\nNeither CORPORATE MEDIA or INDY MEDIA is going to right ont he mark 100% of the time...check out BBC also, the British reporters are much more straight forward and kind of entertaining to watch. ","author":"derby","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 10:52:48","modified":"2003-03-24 10:52:48","fileurl":""},{"id":39371,"heading":"Those down under boys","article":"That picture doesnt look like somthing a bomb would do.. I guess Australian special ops could have droped in and opened her head so that they could eat her brains... either that or the Iraqis\r\nhmm 40 billion eh? sounds like if we could get germany france china and all the other countries to put into that pot and the UN applies the money in a sustainable way.\r\nBut I dont think it will solve the "liking us" problem. USA gives out more donations than any other country and there doesnt seem to be many people cheering even in the countries gettin the money (except micronesia). I think maybe they just dont like us.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 12:02:50","modified":"2003-03-24 12:02:50","fileurl":""},{"id":39439,"heading":"Laddy","article":"I like this one:\r\n-USA gives out more\r\n donations than any other country -\r\nWeapons don't count as aid in my opinion.\r\nBreak it down for us holmes. Thank you.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 16:44:26","modified":"2003-03-24 16:44:26","fileurl":""},{"id":39524,"heading":"al jazeera","article":"the simple fact is that Al Jazeera reporters are not literally "in bed" with the U.S. military like american corporate media. they are actually covering the war and it's effects, so they have images of the carnage. no media institution is objective, but insinuating that the images have been faked is ridiculous. there are many other images besides the young boy whose face was torn off here: http:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/03\/1588323.php.","author":"not for american slaughter","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 20:22:05","modified":"2003-03-24 20:22:05","fileurl":""},{"id":39528,"heading":""kosmos"","article":"Wow, Afghanistan is under self-rule? When were the democratic elections? Last I heard, they were ruled by dictator Mohammed Kharzi. You are so oblivious, it's pathetic.","author":"Lush Rimbaugh","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 20:32:53","modified":"2003-03-24 20:32:53","fileurl":""},{"id":39548,"heading":"Yeah, what a laugh","article":"Kabul is under rule by the oil lobbyist Karzai. The rest of the county is ruled by various overlords. US troops can't leave Kabul without coming under fire. What a goddamn joke.","author":"american","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 21:21:42","modified":"2003-03-24 21:21:42","fileurl":""},{"id":39575,"heading":"US Troops","article":"I hate niggers. Kill the black bastards.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 23:54:43","modified":"2003-03-24 23:54:43","fileurl":""},{"id":39586,"heading":"I see the Sheepdog impersonator is back","article":"whatever\r\n\r\nYou're sure an odd buch of trolls","author":"lkjaf","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 00:13:14","modified":"2003-03-25 00:13:14","fileurl":""},{"id":39610,"heading":"Hey","article":"not for american slaughter - oh I dont think al Jazeera would fake footage. They like fox believe that they are covering the news in a fair if somewhat biased way.\r\nHowever they have a tendancy to accept highly biased sources as fact. For example there are many examples of minor adjustments to scenes of israeli bombings to make local fighters look like innocent civilians. It is as easy as taking the guns away or telling the neigbours what story is appropriate.\r\nSheepdog - If we were to prevent the sale of weapons we would be applying sanctions on the country. The sanctions on Iraq were designed to stop it from getting Weapons and yet they seem to have cripled the whole country. It seems that preventing the sale of weapons to a country is just not plausible (sure the USA could decide not to sell them but how can they stop china russia and israel?). \r\nLush Rimbaugh - isnt Mohammed Kharzi an afgani? if so i guess that fits the definition of "self rule" unless you want to say that there are no arab countries in the world under "self rule". anyway i guess Kharzi will have a go at being the first at some stage soon.\r\namerican - there are certain parts of the USA that certain people couldnt go without risk of coming onder attack either. certain areas around LA for example.\r\nmaybe we should pull out of LA..","author":"scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 01:05:45","modified":"2003-03-25 01:05:45","fileurl":""},{"id":39689,"heading":"are you on drugs","article":"Why do people think that less military presence in the U.S. will make things better? The fact of the matter is other countries hate us because of the freedoms we have and militery forces in our country gave us these freedoms and they make sure we keep these freedoms. Everyone talks constantly about world peace; well, I am here to tell you that world peace will only be accomplished with the return of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We have people in America protesting the war and I will bet you that most of those people are probably pro-abortion (just something to complain about). The French are protesting the war; however, they forget that America steped in and liberated them from the Germans if we would have thought then like they think now they would all be speaking German. I don't even try to pretend that I can understand why people think that our country would be safe without a strong military all i know is that I live in the greatest country on the face of planet Earth and without a strong militery some Dick-tator would come here a destroy our way of life and anyone who can't understand that needs to pack-up their "duds" and go to a country they think is better thanm the U.S.A. (Fat Chance). I say ALL AMERICANS need to stand up and support our troops. To all of my brother Marines "Semper-Fi, Do Or Die, Hoo Yah" God Bless America ","author":"james payne","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 03:50:54","modified":"2003-03-25 03:50:54","fileurl":""},{"id":39696,"heading":"Hey","article":"I just love rationalizing the fascist actions of America. Of course, my idol is Hitler. 666!!!!!!","author":"scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 04:10:59","modified":"2003-03-25 04:10:59","fileurl":""},{"id":39797,"heading":"Mr.","article":"I enjoyed reading what you had to say. Your post is a cogent piece of work.\r\n\r\nMost of the people I've talked to who are against the war are uninformed about the issues. Yes, war is bad and yes Bush is a dick, but if you don't know where Iraq is on a map you should probably educate yourself a little before you go to a protest. Saddam is a mass murderer who has killed 1.2 million people. It's strange to me that more people from the left don't support the war. Sometimes to fight is to fight against war.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Joe Finsterwald","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 06:21:30","modified":"2003-03-25 06:21:30","fileurl":""},{"id":39801,"heading":"The New X","article":"EH EH HOLD UP A SECOND\r\n\r\nTHE FRENCH HELPED YOU WIN THE WAR AGAINST THE BRITISH\r\n\r\nI THINK YOU OWE IT TO THEM\r\n\r\nALSO IF YOU'RE GONNA BOYCOTT FRENCH PRODUCTS, GIVE THEM BACK THE STATUE OF LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nALSO\r\n\r\nI COME FROM A NON-AMERICAN COUNTRY\r\n\r\nI'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE US FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS\r\n\r\nALL I CAN SAY IS THAT IT SUCKS HERE\r\n\r\nTHE ONLY REASON I MOVED HERE WAS COZ I WAS TOO POOR TO LIVE IN THE LUXURY OF MY HOME COUNTRY!\r\n\r\nSO DONT TALK BOUT OTHER COUNTRIES BEING JEALOUS OF YOUR FREEDOMS\r\n\r\nFREEDOMS? THERE IS NO INDIVIDUALITY IN AMERICA\r\n\r\nFREEDOM = FREEDOM TO BE "JUSTIN" OR "JAKE"\r\ni.e. GENERIC DUMB WHITE GUY\r\n\r\nOVER IN MY HOME COUNTRY\r\nWE HAD LUXURY\r\nWE HAD ROADS\r\nSTREET LIGHTS\r\nSTYLE\r\nCLASS\r\nWE KNEW HOW TO EAT WITH FORKS AND KNIVES\r\nPEOPLE DROVE NICE CARS\r\nHAD NICE HOUSES MADE OF AMAZINGLY STYLED CONCRETE STEEL ALUMINIUM AND GLASS RATHER THAN THE PLYWOOD BULLSHIT THAT AMERICAN HOUSES ARE MADE OF\r\n\r\nAND...\r\n\r\nBACK HOME... I NEVER PAID A CENT IN TAXES\r\n\r\n:) :) :)","author":"The New X","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 06:27:23","modified":"2003-03-25 06:27:23","fileurl":""},{"id":39878,"heading":"Go back home","article":"The New X,\r\n\r\nYour country sounds like paradise. Why don't you go back? You're not happy here. Why don't you just leave?? I don't understand why you are still here. Just because you can't afford to live in luxury?\r\n\r\n","author":"American","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 07:40:43","modified":"2003-03-25 07:40:43","fileurl":""},{"id":39879,"heading":"us war contributions","article":"If it were not for the US and other coalition forces this world would be alot more fucked then it is now. Wake up you bunch of idiots we are the good guys stop trying to make it look as if we are the bad guys. Do you see bush executing his own civillians. NO","author":"Dean","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 07:43:09","modified":"2003-03-25 07:43:09","fileurl":""},{"id":39886,"heading":"slim jim","article":"No, but he should...\r\n\r\nlets start with al these anti-war pro terrorist protesters! I'll be the executioner!","author":"fartknocker","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 07:49:57","modified":"2003-03-25 07:49:57","fileurl":""},{"id":39887,"heading":"Oh just wait","article":"Oh don't worry... he will.... right now he's only arresting the ones that look foreign, then arresting the reporters who do stories on it.... you won't have to wait long though.","author":"Mob Rule","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 07:50:14","modified":"2003-03-25 07:50:14","fileurl":""},{"id":39890,"heading":"terrorist-loving? You bozos sound like Horowitz-ORWELLIAN goofballs","article":"

<\/p>","author":"Pro-american (just not what you wish as)","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-03-25 07:53:25","modified":"2003-03-25 07:53:25","fileurl":""},{"id":39893,"heading":"Bush Executor","article":"uneducated fools...Bush is not executing his own people??? Read the freaking news...he loves to fry people in the electric chair in Texas","author":"whatever","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 07:56:49","modified":"2003-03-25 07:56:49","fileurl":""},{"id":39899,"heading":"Bush Executor","article":"uneducated fools...Bush is not executing his own people??? Read the freaking news...he loves to fry people in the electric chair in Texas","author":"whatever","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 08:06:41","modified":"2003-03-25 08:06:41","fileurl":""},{"id":39911,"heading":"Speaking of Freedoms","article":"As a citizen of Canada, I am a non-American who most certainly does not "hate you for [your] freedoms".\r\n\r\nBut neither do I consider all of the United States' much-vaunted liberties to be particularly deserving of the chest-thumping and trumpeting which they seem so condusive to of late.\r\n\r\nThose of you who are not frequently given to introspection or self-critique might do well to perform a quick check-up sometime soon - even the "best country" in the world (i politely demur) needs a bit of spit and polish now and then. And I'm not talking about things like your delightful "Patriot Act", or the suggestion that you need to purge the [not-virulently pro-troop] anti-war, pro-abortion, pro-vegan, anti-jesus sonsofbitches from the fatherland, as some seem given to suggest.\r\n\r\nPerhaps I speak only to the converted, but I hope that at least some of the folks who've posted on this thread will take note that the rest of the world is watching, listening, and judging.\r\n\r\nRespect,\r\nMike","author":"Mike Liston","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 08:23:14","modified":"2003-03-25 08:23:14","fileurl":""},{"id":39970,"heading":"Dummy","article":"It's amazing to me to hear people solve all of the worlds problems with some half-baked idea that food will be the solution. It is perfectly clear that people across the world fight one another simpy because they have no other idea of what they should be doing....Middle Easterners, Europeans, Pacific rim etc. have different core beliefs than we..(Americans) The U.S. has to protect itself from fanatics across the world....including our supposed allies...see France, Germany, Former Soviet Union etc. The US spends billions each year in relief all across the World and still we are the "bad guy". Some degree of isolationism is needed along with a stong military..combined with our relief aid packages....It will all be worth it when the middle east is stabilized....","author":"Jim Dolan","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 14:41:47","modified":"2003-03-25 14:41:47","fileurl":""},{"id":40063,"heading":"proud to be an american","article":"PLEASE GO BACK HOME sounds like a great place for pussies like you","author":"red white & blue","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 16:49:49","modified":"2003-03-25 16:49:49","fileurl":""},{"id":40067,"heading":"I know, Mike.","article":"Reading these posts are depressing.\r\nRealize however, that we are besieged by weasels\r\ndwarfs, bombs, agiprop knuckle busters, bean bags\r\nshooters, scooters, blorgs and morons.\r\nHave patience, nice to hear from you.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 16:58:49","modified":"2003-03-25 16:58:49","fileurl":""},{"id":40082,"heading":"Don't argue with the Trolls...","article":"...it is a waste of your time. (Not that I don't occaisionally indulge in a little Troll bashing and baiting but if you do it realize it is for the amusement value only. They are incapable of rational analysis - they already KNOW all the answers - NBC told them so.)\r\n\r\nJust to restate a point I've made several times before: The Trolls have argued that the Iraqi people would greet their "glorius liberators" with throngs of cheering people.\r\nThe point I have made, and is now being born out, is that the Iraqi people would meet them with Arms all right - Small Arms - 7.62mm to be exact.\r\nThat prediction is being, sadly, born out.\r\nThe Iraqi People are fighting for their homes and loved ones just as I would were an invading Army to attack America. Like any people fighting for their homes and loved ones they will fight to the death.\r\nThis War of Conquest is going to be a bloody Debacle because of one Evil Man George H. Bush and the people pushing him.\r\n\r\nRemember Nuremburg.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 17:22:04","modified":"2003-03-25 17:22:04","fileurl":""},{"id":40083,"heading":"Bush and Executions in TX","article":"The people executed in TX are deserving of that fate having been tried in a court of thier peers and found to be guilty of crimes commited and sentenced to death. Those crimes would be murder in a violent way or premeditated. They are not executions of innocent people but rather the penalty they must pay fo thier crimes.","author":"John Markney","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 17:22:47","modified":"2003-03-25 17:22:47","fileurl":""},{"id":40086,"heading":"For instance","article":"The above post John Markney\r\nbean bag.","author":"N","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 17:26:19","modified":"2003-03-25 17:26:19","fileurl":""},{"id":40094,"heading":"To Bush "Executor"","article":"Your argument is absurd. On one hand you have the \r\nexecution of a vicious murderer, who has \r\nINTENTIONALY taken the life of an innocent victim(s), \r\nand has been convicted and sentenced by a jury \r\nthrough the legal process.\r\n\r\nOn the other hand you have a leader of a nation who \r\nregularly takes innocent men, women, and children \r\nand tortures and kills them because of dissent. Not to \r\nmention the million or so that he arbitrarily gassed to \r\ndeath, as an experiment.\r\n\r\nIf you, honestly, can not see the difference, then your \r\nlogic is SO far out of whack that you don't even warrant \r\nfurther debate.\r\n\r\nBy the way, It would be e-x-e-c-u-t-i-o-n-e-r, not "executor." You're referring to a legal \r\nrepresentative.","author":"Perspective","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 17:39:47","modified":"2003-03-25 17:39:47","fileurl":""},{"id":40099,"heading":"Spelling corrections to not support your absurdity.","article":"As for absurd Perspective:\r\n\r\nYou repeat known lies with the aplomb of an experienced LIAR.\r\n\r\nDo you work for one of those nice Alphabet Soup Agencies - perhaps in Langely?\r\n\r\nNotice in the distorted \u201cPerspective\u201d of the above post the usual PsyOps line of plastering Saddams depraved visage on every Iraqi - thus making it \u201cJust and Moral\u201d to bomb innocent Men, Women, and Children. Half of the population of Baghdad is under 15. Do the math. Half of the civilian casualties are going to be children.\r\n\r\nWhen a parent looks at their dead child and the shrapnel that killed their child is marked \u201cMade in the U.S.A.\u201d they are going to rightly consider the U.S.A. as more evil than Saddam. That sadly is the truth.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 17:49:49","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:17","fileurl":""},{"id":40172,"heading":"Still Absurd","article":"Just as good as I am at, as you say, "lying" you are just as adept at diverting attention away from the initial subject and twisting a statement into something else.\r\n\r\nDo you work for one of those nice subversive organizations - Perhaps the Communist party?\r\n\r\nWhy am I passing on U.S. PsyOps when Iraqis who have made it out of the country affirm the atrocities carried out by Saddam's regime? \r\n\r\nWho said that Saddam carries out this "visage" on "every Iraqi?" Not me. Again, a nice way of twisting the original point. The fact is, not every Iraqi is subject to this treatment. Just look at which groups are dancing in the street after U.S. forces arrive, i.e. Basara, and which ones will probably take up arms, i.e. Baghdad. The Iraqis in northern and southern Iraq don't support Saddam because THEY are the ones who have been starved and\/or gassed. Some of the citizens of Baghdad probably will take up arms because they are the ones that Saddam has catered to so that he can drag them into urban warfare as a last line of defense. I'd be interested to see how many citizens of Baghdad have been allowed to see the conditions of their fellow Iraqis in the northern and southern part of the country. Is it your assertion that, just because these acts have been carried out only against SOME Iraqis that it's ok?\r\n\r\nAs for the last part of your statement; which country, the U.S. or Iraq, goes out of it's way to avoid civilian casualties during a military conflict and mourns their loss when those deaths do occur. And which country intentionally, by the affirmation of it's own citizens, tortures and kills innocent civilians and celebrated when thousands of innocents were, not through the accident of a stray bomb but INTENTIONALLY, murdered on September 11th?\r\n\r\nSurely the distinction is clear.","author":"Perspective","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 20:19:47","modified":"2003-03-25 20:19:47","fileurl":""},{"id":40180,"heading":"To Perperation","article":"Notice everybody that when the shills lose an argument and have no ground left upon which to stand their next, and only remaining, ploy is to try to insult you and make you mad - it is a diversion - the last resort of a scoundrel and incompetent.\r\n\r\nPerspective - you are a loser.\r\n\r\nIt is interesting to note that Iraqi Patriots are not fighting for Saddam - they are fighting an opposing Army of Conquest. And they will fight like any Real Man would to defend their homes.\r\n\r\nTo Date no Iraqi's have crossed over the Border to fill the Refugee Camps built for them. Instead Like MEN THEY ARE FIGHTING AND DYING FOR THEIR HOMES.\r\n\r\nI weep for my country that our Military has been perverted into a conquering Horde for the Evil Bastards in Washington.\r\n\r\nAnd you perspeperation are among the lowest forms of life - a Quisling Traitor to all this country has stood for for the last 200 years.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 20:32:32","modified":"2003-03-25 20:32:32","fileurl":""},{"id":40191,"heading":"Really?","article":"Since I don't see any insults or name calling in my post, you surely must be referring to the "shills", "scoudrel", "incompetent", "loser", "quisling traitor", and "perspeperation" comments that you just made, when you refer to the "only remaining ploy" after one has no legitimate argument to make.\r\n\r\nSo the Iraqis are fighting and dying for their homes? Is that why literally thousands of Iraqi troops, some of which before the battle even began, are surrendering? Is that why the only real resistance that we'll encounter will be from the elite Republican Guard, who has had the benefit of living under Saddam's good graces in the palaces of Baghdad?\r\n\r\nIf my objective was to generate anger, you've surely proven me effective.","author":"Perspective","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 20:56:54","modified":"2003-03-25 20:56:54","fileurl":""},{"id":40289,"heading":"DUMB TEXAN","article":"Executes his own people??? One of "his" people shot and killed my husband's 82 year old grandmother before he stole her car. Texas executes cold-blooded murderers who murder innocent people. Hussein IS a cold-blood that murders innocent people. How can you be so stupid to compare execution in Texas to the murder of Kurds in Iraq? You people are so ignorant!","author":"Jo Jaeckel","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 23:26:19","modified":"2003-03-25 23:26:19","fileurl":""},{"id":40299,"heading":"Sick minds work in sick ways","article":"The person or degenerate that started this post shows the real caliber of a person they are, no better then the murders who executed unarmed POWs. I hope that the poster meets this same fate, but only after there has been adequate time to in inflict pain on them first.","author":"T Rex","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-25 23:41:26","modified":"2003-03-25 23:41:26","fileurl":""},{"id":40386,"heading":"The New X","article":"I agree with Jo Jaeckel.\r\n\r\nSaddam is a murderer guilty of war crimes.\r\nHe along with George H W Bush and Ronald Reagan should be tried for the murder of thousands of Kurds killed under US-sponsored Iraqi state terrorism.","author":"The New X","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 01:23:06","modified":"2003-03-26 01:23:06","fileurl":""},{"id":40390,"heading":"The New X","article":"but allow me to make a reference to Jo Jaeckel. Jo is an example of the people who are out for blood and vengeance. It's not enough that people be kept behind bars for life. Jo instead wants to see blood - as if blood would somehow bring back her loss.","author":"The New X","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 01:25:23","modified":"2003-03-26 01:25:23","fileurl":""},{"id":40396,"heading":"Just a second","article":"you arabs will fall to the hands of us devils\r\nbecause you are satan, and we will create a new\r\nway of life for you\r\none with fire in it\r\nevery day of your pitiful lives","author":"Toe Me","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 01:39:22","modified":"2003-03-26 01:39:22","fileurl":""},{"id":40401,"heading":"Ahh","article":"bviously on this forum if someone says somthing terribly out of character then you know it is not them.. whoever wrote "hey" "by scottie" was obviously not me.\r\nIncidentaly one might notice that the USA is basically the same as when it fought against hitler. and its opponants have basically the same anti israel, authoritarian and disrespect for other people whether it be their opponants in Iraq or in America itself.\r\nI oppose you (the fake scottie) because I percieve you as a "useful idiot" of the next hitler.","author":"Scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 01:45:17","modified":"2003-03-26 01:45:17","fileurl":""},{"id":40410,"heading":"'bout time","article":"I agree with the Dumb Texan. He is a murderous physco who needs serious help. I don't get people who are anti-war. He has been doing this for twelve years and they don't think action needs to be taken. WAKE UP FOOLS!!!!!!!","author":"Brooke","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 02:02:02","modified":"2003-03-26 02:02:02","fileurl":""},{"id":40501,"heading":"Does it matter if it is real?","article":"Does it really matter if it is real? Let's assume it is real for a moment. Does it change what really happened to these service men? Hell no!! Dead is dead. Like the IRAQI'S who did this will be. DEAD!!","author":"Sonia","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 04:13:52","modified":"2003-03-26 04:13:52","fileurl":""},{"id":40519,"heading":"Hey Diogenes","article":"Get a life!! Generate anger? Sounds more like ignorance. Perhaps the ignorance of a third world reject? I think you are rather amusing . Kinda' like a travelling circus side show. Apparently the only one angry here is you. You just seem to be grasping at straws. Keep reaching, for all of our entertainment pleasure. Dick head!!","author":"Sonia","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 04:30:47","modified":"2003-03-26 04:30:47","fileurl":""},{"id":40565,"heading":"It is real","article":"I saw a different angle of this picture on al jazeera website..it was a little girl in a dress...unfortunately it isn't fake..","author":".","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 05:26:38","modified":"2003-03-26 05:26:38","fileurl":""},{"id":40640,"heading":"pics","article":"again, the pics, as noted above, are posted here\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/03\/1588323.php\r\n\r\nThey can also be seen at the \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.aljazeera.net\/news\/arabic\/2003\/3\/3-22-26.htm\r\n\r\nwhich is posted above\r\n\r\n(and just so no right-wing nut gets a hissyfit, the argument about the Geneva conventions and photographs concerns the showing of pictures of soldiers, not pictures of civilians)","author":"999999999","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 07:12:02","modified":"2003-03-26 07:12:02","fileurl":""},{"id":40682,"heading":"Mr","article":"To all people on all sides of this issue: If you really want to find the solution, identify the truth and present it in such a way as to educate those who don't share your view and perhaps bring them to your side, then your desire to find the solution, identify the truth, etc. must be greater than your desire to show them what a stupid #@$^@ they are and rub it in their face. \r\n\r\nOr maybe that's what you came here for. Nice. Nevermind the posted pictures that started this thread. That mutilation of an innocent child is really just intended as a backdrop for you to spew your derision on others who don't share your view, and to ensure that they never will. \r\n\r\nI want some dialogue, some ideas, some debate. \r\nSome more information. Some suggestions for action. Thanks to those who are trying in earnest to make sense of the killing, not to make the killing make sense. ","author":"Voice of Reason","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 09:12:49","modified":"2003-03-26 09:12:49","fileurl":""},{"id":40683,"heading":"voice of Reason","article":"To all people on all sides of this issue: If you really want to find the solution, identify the truth and present it in such a way as to educate those who don't share your view and perhaps bring them to your side, then your desire to find the solution, identify the truth, etc. must be greater than your desire to show them what a stupid #@$^@ they are and rub it in their face. \r\n\r\nOr maybe that's what you came here for. Nice. Nevermind the posted pictures that started this thread. That mutilation of an innocent child is really just intended as a backdrop for you to spew your derision on others who don't share your view, and to ensure that they never will. \r\n\r\nI want some dialogue, some ideas, some debate. \r\nSome more information. Some suggestions for action. Thanks to those who are trying in earnest to make sense of the killing, not to make the killing make sense. ","author":"Dylan","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 09:13:17","modified":"2003-03-26 09:13:17","fileurl":""},{"id":40716,"heading":"Our action gives you the right","article":"The US foriegn polocies and our actions to protect the less fortunate worldwide is what has givien you the right to "free speech" you moron! If did not do what we do as a country, you would get thrown in jail for this propoganda just like if you have lived in Iraq. You need a soul check buddy, good luck sleeping at night.","author":"MW","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 13:56:20","modified":"2003-03-26 13:56:20","fileurl":""},{"id":40726,"heading":"Dylan","article":"Dylan, I've just been dying to hear someone on this\r\n board say what you just said.\r\n\r\n Thank you.","author":"P","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 15:04:35","modified":"2003-03-26 15:04:35","fileurl":""},{"id":40747,"heading":"Truth?","article":"

Those posting on this board are polarized to one side or the other. The left will not believe the right and will quote web sites that have their agenda which not truth. The right sees the left as commies with only one agenda, which is to destroy America. The only real dialogue can be between those that have an opinion and those that have not formed an opinion.<\/p>\r\n

Anti-war and Pro Support the Troops will not agree on anything until the fighting has stopped.<\/p>\r\n","author":"Betty","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-03-26 16:36:56","modified":"2003-03-26 16:36:56","fileurl":""},{"id":40793,"heading":"Horrific Picture","article":"First of all, real or fake, using a picture like this is far more horrendous than ANY PsyOps carried out by the U.S. \r\n\r\nSecond, going on the assumption that this is a real picture, what proof do you have as to how it actually occured? Commentary from the Al Jazeera propaganda machine? Statements from the Iraqi regime, which is known to deliberately put children like this inside military targets, hoping for horrific results like this?\r\n\r\nWeep for the death of any child, for it is tragic. But do not let a regime, such as in place in Iraq, intentionaly cause the deaths of children as part of an effort to twist reality into demonizing the West.","author":"Perspective","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 18:03:52","modified":"2003-03-26 18:03:52","fileurl":""},{"id":40817,"heading":"Notice the Spin Persporective's Comment","article":"It is a somewhat subtle operation to convince you that even if there are horrific pictures of the grim toll of this EVIL war you should disregard it because it is just Propaganda against this Just and Noble Campaign of Wholesale Slaughter.\r\n\r\nPsyOps is what PsyOps does. Confuse, divert, disparage. \r\n\r\nTrust your own judgement.\r\n\r\nLogical Axiom: "When one is confronted with two mutually contradictory statements the one thing you can know immediately is that "one or both are false".\r\n\r\nResolving the conflict further requires accumulating more information.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 18:41:07","modified":"2003-03-26 18:41:07","fileurl":""},{"id":40858,"heading":"Question Everything","article":"Diogenes, you seem to twist better than Chubby \r\nChecker himself.\r\n\r\nWhere in my post did I say to disregard this horrific \r\nimage? I simply called on the questioning of it's \r\nsource, especially when delivered from an obvious \r\npropaganda machine like Al Jazeera television.\r\n\r\nAfter all, isn't that one of the the mantras of the Left? Question everything.\r\n\r\n"Resolving the conflict further requires accumulating \r\nmore information."","author":"Perspective","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 19:44:57","modified":"2003-03-26 19:44:57","fileurl":""},{"id":41001,"heading":"New X is a looser & a thief!","article":"This guys spewing off crap about the US sucking but freely admits his country is so effed up, he came to the USA being the failure in his own nation, so that makes him a sell out to his country & a fresh Bum stinkin up the free world.\r\n\r\nIf ya cant make it in the USA now will you go to france & try to squander a way of life or scam your way through some other one? No, you'll just keep running your mouth & spewing jealous babbling anti-American poo becuase you moved to the greatest country in the world. where your allowed to spew whatever you please & your police & your rulers wont come & kill you or your family for doing so. You all know it but for some reason want so badly to stick to the anti-American values drilled into your heads.\r\n\r\nNot all Americans want this war or want anything to do with your nation but at the same time feel that there are things in the world that dont sit well to people who cant defend themselves against the Powerfull. Sadam has a history & has lied apperently about having these chemical bombs carrying biological components. \r\nIsnt that why we're there in the 1rst place? becuase of the breach of the origanal Un agreements? Then people love to spread stuff about Oil, we arent there to steel it & make your country a US property, Its all yours.\r\n\r\nIf Sadam wouldhave stayed true & not a shady sneak, we wouldve never been over there & all these deaths wouldve been prevented. \r\nEveryones so brain washed to believe that God only loves certain countries. we all keep saying that Gods on our side. he's on Gods side watching all the littel Cavepeople tell each other about God.\r\n\r\nHow dare anyone of us try to speak for a God. Only God knows anything about the vast universe & its Mysteries. not man written books no matter how valid you think they are becuase of its age & who wrote them. \r\n\r\nWait till you come face to face with God & see what really matters, Not this.\r\nPolitricks & money we so despratley try to hide behind & use Gods name in Vein to Justify how we all live on this Planet. We're all the Joke & dont understand that we are only acting out what our little brains have allowed us act out in this stage of our existance. \r\n\r\nPeace is just a bullcrap term we all use to try to make ourselves look good to ourselves,\r\n\r\nCave men, all of us!!!\r\n\r\nI hope your all proud of yourselves, way to take care of human Life. How do these leaders get to decide all this for us anyway???\r\nIm pissed!","author":"Bill","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-26 22:54:30","modified":"2003-03-26 22:54:30","fileurl":""},{"id":41097,"heading":"Fight War not Wars","article":"It doesn't matter if this one picture is fake.....you know stuff like this is happening....to every one in the war....military...civilians...innocent children all over the world. It's sick and sad. Why does it fuckin matter if this one is fake!?!?","author":"WhoCares","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 01:03:36","modified":"2003-03-27 01:03:36","fileurl":""},{"id":41207,"heading":"I love fascism","article":"I am Bush's most useful idiot. Heil Bush!!","author":"Scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 03:50:49","modified":"2003-03-27 03:50:49","fileurl":""},{"id":41244,"heading":"bush","article":"The facists dont support bush.. \r\nIn fact they are aproximatly as anti bush as you are.. hmmm coincidence?","author":"Scottie","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 04:52:05","modified":"2003-03-27 04:52:05","fileurl":""},{"id":41510,"heading":"Scottie","article":"It seems as though we are not making any progress with your multiple personality disorder. I'm recomending you to Dr. Sigmund Fruit.","author":"Scottie's Psychiatrist","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 17:36:55","modified":"2003-03-27 17:36:55","fileurl":""},{"id":41511,"heading":"Scottie","article":"It seems as though we are not making any progress with your multiple personality disorder. I'm recommending you to Dr. Sigmund Fruit.","author":"Scottie's Psychiatrist","parent_id":39140,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 17:37:24","modified":"2003-03-27 17:37:24","fileurl":""}]}