{"article":{"id":37661,"heading":"Warmongers gone Wild!","author":"dunno","created":"2003-03-21 19:14:28","modified":"2003-03-22 04:42:01","last_modified":"Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:42:01","article":"

Warmonger Explains War

With Iraq To Peacenik

Author Unknown

3-18-3

Peacenik: Why did you say we are invading Iraq?

Warmonger: We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of

security council resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed

to violate security council resolutions.

PN: I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were

in violation of more security council resolutions than Iraq.

WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that

Iraq could have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign

of a smoking gun could well be a mushroom cloud over NY.

PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said

Iraq had no nuclear weapons.

WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue.

PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles

for attacking us or our allies with such weapons.

WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather

terrorists networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to.

PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or

biological materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the

eighties ourselves, didn't we?

WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil

man that has an undeniable track record of repressing his own

people since the early eighties. He gasses his enemies.

Everyone agrees that he is a power-hungry lunatic murderer.

PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-

hungry lunatic murderer?

WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did.

He is the one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait.

PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our

ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, know about and green-light

the invasion of Kuwait?

WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq

could sell its biological and chemical weapons to Al Qaida.

Osama Bin Laden himself released an audio tape calling on Iraqis

to suicide attack us, proving a partnership between the two.

PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan

to kill him?

WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin

Laden on the tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same:

there could easily be a partnership between Al Qaeda and Saddam

Hussein unless we act.

PN: Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels

Saddam a secular infidel?

WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape.

Powell presented a strong case against Iraq.

PN: He did?

WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Qaeda poison

factory in Iraq.

PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part

of Iraq controlled by the Kurdish opposition?

WM: And a British intelligence report...

PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date

graduate student paper?

WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs...

PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings?

WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from

inspectors...

PN: Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons

inspector, Hans Blix?

WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot

be revealed because it would compromise our security.

PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of

mass destruction in Iraq?

WM: The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to

find evidence. You're missing the point.

PN: So what is the point?

WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because

resolution 1441 threatened \"severe consequences.\" If we

do not act, the security council will become an irrelevant

debating society.

PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the

security council?

WM: Absolutely. ... unless it rules against us.

PN: And what if it does rule against us?

WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing

to invade Iraq.

PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that?

WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for

starters.

PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them

tens of billions of dollars.

WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing.

PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was

against war.

WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses

its will by electing leaders to make decisions.

PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority

that is important?

WM: Yes.

PN: But George B-

WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however

they were elected, because they are acting in our best interest.

This is about being a patriot. That's the bottom line.

PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president,

we are not patriotic?

WM: I never said that.

PN: So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons

of mass destruction that threaten us and our allies.

PN: But the inspectors have not been able to find any such

weapons.

WM: Iraq is obviously hiding them.

PN: You know this? How?

WM: Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they

are still unaccounted for.

PN: The weapons we sold them, you mean?

WM: Precisely.

PN: But I thought those biological and chemical weapons would

degrade to an unusable state over ten years.

WM: But there is a chance that some have not degraded.

PN: So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons

exist, we must invade?

WM: Exactly.

PN: But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical,

biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can

reach the west coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors,

AND threatened to turn America into a sea of fire.

WM: That's a diplomatic issue.

PN: So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy?

WM: Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we cannot

allow the inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq has been

delaying, deceiving, and denying for over ten years, and

inspections cost us tens of millions.

PN: But I thought war would cost us tens of billions.

WM: Yes, but this is not about money. This is about security.

PN: But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite radical

Muslim sentiments against us, and decrease our security?

WM: Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the

way we live. Once we do that, the terrorists have already won.

PN: So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security,

color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act? Don't these change

the way we live?

WM: I thought you had questions about Iraq.

PN: I do. Why are we invading Iraq?

WM: For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the world

has called on Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do

so. He must now face the consequences.

PN: So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something,

such as find a peaceful solution, we would have an obligation

to listen?

WM: By \"world\", I meant the United Nations.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the United Nations?

WM: By \"United Nations\" I meant the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security Council?

WM: I meant the majority of the Security Council.

PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of

the Security Council?

WM: Well... there could be an unreasonable veto.

PN: In which case?

WM: In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto.

PN: And if the majority of the Security Council does not support

us at all?

WM: Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security Council.

PN: That makes no sense:

WM: If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or maybe

France, with the all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

It's time to boycott their wine and cheese, no doubt about that.

PN: I give up.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"See Warmongers Gone Wild! Live on your TV screen tonight!!!\r\nXXX Rated action. Hot (well actually incinerated) bodies in unusual contortions (yours would be too if a bomb hit it).","numcomment":7,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/37661.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":37683,"heading":"this","article":"Illustrates how I feel these days and it pleases me in a really, really sad way.","author":"the mentat","parent_id":37661,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 19:29:50","modified":"2003-03-21 19:29:50","fileurl":""},{"id":37699,"heading":"I notice...","article":"...that the Warmongers are up to their usual standards of reason and eloquence.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37661,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 19:56:04","modified":"2003-03-21 19:56:04","fileurl":""},{"id":37983,"heading":"Dictatormongers Gone Wild!","article":"","author":"Snoop Dogg","parent_id":37661,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-22 02:42:11","modified":"2005-08-15 01:17:10","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/dscn2689.medium.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/dscn2689.medium.jpg"}},{"id":38025,"heading":"PUT IT BACK ON!","article":"Alright, already, I'll stop the war! I just can't take this!","author":"Pres. Bush","parent_id":37661,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 04:42:01","modified":"2003-03-22 04:42:01","fileurl":""}]}