{"article":{"id":37013,"heading":"Homeland Lockdown: "Red Alert" = Martial Law","author":"TOM BALDWIN","created":"2003-03-19 22:42:34","modified":"2004-03-30 07:28:13","last_modified":"Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:28:13","article":"

Red Alert would end some personal freedoms

Published by the Gannett State Bureau 3\/15\/03



By TOM BALDWIN

GANNETT STATE BUREAU

TRENTON -- If the nation escalates to \"red alert,\" which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says.

\"This state is on top of it,\" said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism.

Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down.

A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate.

\"Red means all non-critical functions cease,\" Caspersen said. \"Non-critical would be almost all businesses, except health-related.\"

A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security.

\"The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations,\" says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism.

\"You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages.\"

Caspersen went further than the brochure. \"The government agencies would run at a very low threshold,\" he said.

\"The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways.

\"You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm.\"

\"The reason being is, what we're saying is, 'Everybody sit down!'

\"If you are left standing, you are probably a terrorist. And if you are not law enforcement or emergency response; That's how we're going to catch you.

\"You're not going to have a seat to go to.

\"That is the basic premise of it.\"<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/www.c-n.com\/gsbr\/story\/0,21421,706996,00.html","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"FBI and other federal officials in NJ outline Homeland [In]Security's "Red Alert" response: it will mean Martial Law.","numcomment":71,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/37013.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":102418,"heading":"Mr.","article":"Sure he sounds paranoid. But what if he's right?\r\n\r\nEven Sigmond Freud said the most paranoid man even has enemies!","author":"The Milkman","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-06 18:22:44","modified":"2004-02-06 18:22:44","fileurl":""},{"id":102419,"heading":"The","article":"Power WITHOUT the Redeeming Character of Christ to control that power, is a recipie for absolute power out-of-control.","author":"Milkman","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-06 18:25:11","modified":"2004-02-06 18:25:11","fileurl":""},{"id":102420,"heading":"The","article":"Two things:\r\n\r\n1): The author sure sounds paranoid, but what if he's right?\r\n\r\n-and-\r\n\r\n2): Power WITHOUT the Redeeming Character of Christ to control that power, is a recipie for power out-of-control.","author":"Milkman","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-06 18:27:04","modified":"2004-02-06 18:27:04","fileurl":""},{"id":102421,"heading":"Sorry About the double-clicking","article":"My server wasn't getting through, or so I thought","author":"The Milkman","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-06 18:28:36","modified":"2004-02-06 18:28:36","fileurl":""},{"id":102436,"heading":"testing the waters","article":"this is a good audio archive ' taking aim ' \r\nhttp:\/\/takingaim.info\/shows\/audio.html\r\na true wealth of lectures.\r\nthe two lectures on 'testing the waters' are about martial law.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-06 23:37:33","modified":"2004-02-06 23:37:33","fileurl":""},{"id":102472,"heading":"Martial law?","article":"I read the bit about how the "red alert" thing is martial law. Well, looking at the guidelines they have for it, I'd say it is. \r\n\r\nAnd I'll say this here and now- any sorry SOB that tries to tell me I have to stay home is gonna get my boot up their arse!\r\n\r\nThey complain about terrorists? And they are gonna have US locked up in our homes? WHO is the real terrorist? Sounds like the federal government. \r\n\r\nAnd when they declare martial law, they will then be declaring themselves the true enemy of America.\r\n","author":"C. Kem","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-02-07 08:21:48","modified":"2004-02-07 08:21:48","fileurl":""},{"id":106505,"heading":"Martial Law","article":"you tell'em C.Kem I agree with you 100%","author":"Captain America","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2004-03-30 07:28:13","modified":"2004-03-30 07:28:13","fileurl":""},{"id":37015,"heading":"Resource: Surviving Martial Law","article":" The following guide will help you plan, prepare, and get ready in the event that martial law threatens you safety and well being. It is divided into two parts. The first part describes the framework for martial law and the second part the actions to take in preparing or the actual declaration of martial law.\r\n\r\nINTERESTING FACTS\r\n\r\n* Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.\r\n* Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.\r\n* Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.\r\n* Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.\r\n* Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.\r\n* Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.\r\n* Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.\r\n* Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."\r\n* Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.\r\n* Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.\r\n* Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.\r\n* Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.\r\n\r\nSURVIVING MARTIAL LAW\r\n\r\n* Prepare before any declaration of marial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.\r\n* Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.\r\n* Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.\r\n* Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.\r\n* Remain calm! Do not panic.\r\n* Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.\r\n* Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.\r\n* Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.\r\n* People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.\r\n* Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.\r\n* Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.\r\n* Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day. ","author":"Pat Henry","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 22:43:59","modified":"2003-03-19 22:43:59","fileurl":""},{"id":37043,"heading":"Not shocked.","article":"If you have an out-building with a steel roof that is a good place to hide your spare guns. They cannot pick up the magnetic signature through ferrous metals such as Iron and Steel. A corrugated metal culvert would be effective too. Just make sure they are in a waterproof container.\r\n\r\nI think we expect a contrived "Major Terrorist Event" soon. Probably soon after the Iraq attack is launched.\r\n\r\nMay God have mercy on us all.","author":"Cloak And Dagger","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 23:52:57","modified":"2003-03-19 23:52:57","fileurl":""},{"id":37046,"heading":"Hmmm","article":">>Executive Order 10995: All communications \r\n>>media are to be seized by the Federal Government.\r\n\r\nExecutive Order 10995:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.disastercenter.com\/laworder\/10995.htm\r\n\r\nJOHN F. KENNEDY \r\nTHE WHITE HOUSE, \r\n!!!!!!February 16, 1962!!!!!! \r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 00:03:41","modified":"2003-03-20 00:03:41","fileurl":""},{"id":37049,"heading":"Irony","article":"Kind of makes all of you fucking liberals wish that \r\nyou hadn't been so damn adamant about taking guns\r\nout of the hands of decent law-abiding citizens, huh?","author":"Disbelief","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 00:57:00","modified":"2003-03-20 00:57:00","fileurl":""},{"id":37051,"heading":"kinda makes you feel like a chump for voting for Bush","article":"Doesn't it?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:05:16","modified":"2003-03-20 01:05:16","fileurl":""},{"id":37052,"heading":"This","article":"Why are you all so paranoid. Turn off the X-files, there is no government conspiracy to put you all under Marshal Law! This is what we are fighting against, not what we will ever become. And you with the gun comment, why is it that pro gun people all seem to think that Democrats want to take away guns? Word of advice, read the Constitution (2nd) and the part about judicial review! ","author":"IS FUNNY","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:05:35","modified":"2003-03-20 01:05:35","fileurl":""},{"id":37053,"heading":"what?","article":"What happens if you are homeless\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"kire","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:08:05","modified":"2003-03-20 01:08:05","fileurl":""},{"id":37055,"heading":"Funny","article":"While I couldn't agree with you more about the insane\r\nhysterical paranoia that they're spouting on the \r\nprevious posts...\r\n\r\nI checked back over my post and, sure enough, it didn't\r\nsay a single word about "Democrats."\r\n\r\nI said the LIBERALS are the ones who are determined\r\nto disarm law-abiding citizens, and if you can keep a\r\nstraight face while claiming that is NOT a liberal stand\r\npoint then you're either a good actor, or completely\r\noblivious.","author":"Disbelief","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:17:06","modified":"2003-03-20 01:17:06","fileurl":""},{"id":37057,"heading":"MR","article":"Cut this shit out, you know that right is protected under the Constitution so stop whining about how some liberal will take it away because they can't , it is impossible!","author":"2nd Ammendment","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:19:48","modified":"2003-03-20 01:19:48","fileurl":""},{"id":37059,"heading":"Sigh","article":"I never said that they WOULD take guns out of people's hands. I said that is their DESIRE. Pay attention.\r\n\r\nMy original point, which you're trying to twist into something easier to attack, was the irony in the same group of people (liberals) who have an anti-gun stance, now working themselves into a frenzy over the thought of "Big Brother" taking over and U.S. citizens being defenseless to stop it.","author":"Disbelief","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 01:32:25","modified":"2003-03-20 01:32:25","fileurl":""},{"id":37066,"heading":"Ummm Hello","article":"Under Martial Law the Constitution goes OUT<\/B> the window, or don't you get it?","author":"Ash","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-03-20 02:14:33","modified":"2003-03-20 02:14:33","fileurl":""},{"id":37068,"heading":"Don't See Marshall Law!","article":"

Severe Condition\r\nRed<\/font><\/h4>\r\nSevere risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the previously outlined Protective Measures, the following may be applied:
\r\n\r\nAssigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning specially trained teams;
Monitoring, redirecting or constraining transportation systems;
\r\nClosing public and government facilities; and \r\nIncreasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs.
\r\nWritten comments may be sent to: Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security Advisory System, Room 7222, 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20535. Comments may also be submitted electronically to: HSAScomments@fbi.gov\r\n\r\nSevere Condition\r\nRed\r\nSevere risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the previously outlined Protective Measures, the following may be applied: \r\n\r\nAssigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning specially trained teams; Monitoring, redirecting or constraining transportation systems; \r\nClosing public and government facilities; and \r\nIncreasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs. \r\nWritten comments may be sent to: Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security Advisory System, Room 7222, 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20535. Comments may also be submitted electronically to: HSAScomments@fbi.gov\r\n\r\nSevere Condition\r\nRed\r\nSevere risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the previously outlined Protective Measures, the following may be applied: \r\n\r\nAssigning emergency response personnel and pre-positioning specially trained teams; Monitoring, redirecting or constraining transportation systems; \r\nClosing public and government facilities; and \r\nIncreasing or redirecting personnel to address critical emergency needs. \r\nWritten comments may be sent to: Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security Advisory System, Room 7222, 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20535. Comments may also be submitted electronically to: HSAScomments@fbi.gov\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/news\/releases\/2002\/03\/20020312-1.html","author":"Boxer IV","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-03-20 02:21:04","modified":"2003-03-20 02:21:04","fileurl":""},{"id":37070,"heading":"Look at the date","article":"JFK made Executive Order 10995 in 1962\r\n\r\nYou're talking about a 40 year conspiracy.\r\n\r\nSo what, did JFK hire Woody Harrelson's dad to murder himself?\r\n\r\nTinfoil for Sale! \r\nGot yer Shiny Bright Tinfoil for Sale here!\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:23:17","modified":"2003-03-20 02:23:17","fileurl":""},{"id":37071,"heading":"Ms.","article":"war is NOT the answer in any case, no matter what.","author":"hax0r_m0m","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:27:56","modified":"2003-03-20 02:27:56","fileurl":""},{"id":37073,"heading":"It's Not The "Left" I'm Worried About"--Nationalist's Ban Books","article":""BANNED BOOK DAY! COME AND BURN THE EVIL WORDS!!"\r\n\r\n"WHAT? SHUT UP, YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK! BE PATRIOTIC --SHOW YOUR COLORS DON'T RUN!!\r\nPINKO-BEDWETTER-COMMIE-SCUM" -(I think that's how it goes.,\r\nmaybe it's-- bedwetting, commie-scum--pinko., no, no-- it's -\r\nscum-pinko-commie-pinko-scum-bedwetter--commie. that's better....)\r\n--------------------------------\r\nWhat happens if your freedom of speech is revoked?\r\nWill you use your gun?\r\n\r\nWhat happens if your right to a fair trial is revoked?\r\nWill you'll defend yourself with a gun?\r\n\r\nWhat happens when you aren't allowed to speak freely,\r\nand are not allowed to state your case in a court of law?\r\n\r\nWill you defend your rights with your gun? If you can't\r\nstate your case how will you be able to defend the rest of the bill of rights, or just the 2nd Adm.? A gun is meant to defend or offend-- but in the crudest way.\r\n\r\nIf and when one is not allowed to speak freely and hold congress, and if then when you are mute, and 2nd is given a sunset clause, but you are not allowed to go to a fair trial --what then will you do when you are an outlaw for owning a gun? Buy more bullets for an outlawed weapons? \r\n\r\n\r\nBANNED BOOK DAY!! BANNED BOOK DAY!! \r\nGot your banned books here-- burn a book for Jesus.,\r\nloves you yes I know, cause Jack Daniel's told me so.... (belch*)\r\n\r\n\r\nOh, but it came with a sunset clause, really!\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nhe-he-he-eh?\r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"2nd Adm","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:29:14","modified":"2003-03-20 02:29:14","fileurl":""},{"id":37075,"heading":"References please?","article":"I was not aware that books were being burned.\r\n\r\nGiving you the benefit of the doubt - \r\n\r\nPlease provide links to news articles that document this activity....\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:37:03","modified":"2003-03-20 02:37:03","fileurl":""},{"id":37076,"heading":"To Kire","article":"When the Red Alert comes you are to stay in your A) Cardboard Box, B) stay in your Dumpster, or C) Climb in a shopping Cart and cover yourself with a balanket until the "All Clear" is sounded>","author":"Box Cutter","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:43:20","modified":"2003-03-20 02:43:20","fileurl":""},{"id":37077,"heading":"Yeah war certainly isn't going to do anything curtail terrorism","article":"This is like trying to put out a fire with gas\r\n\r\nOh and while we're at it, lets give everyone else the finger\r\n\r\ngov dubya needs to get his head out of his ass. And all you little heich heiling white\/ameri-power dickheads need to realize you ain't hip to shit. What they sold you was lies, this shit aint going off like that at all. yall need too start thinking for yourself.\r\n\r\nthey want to invade china. hello? \r\n\r\nand 9\/11 was no coincedence either. "opportunistic". please. you know whats going on as well as anyone else, you're just living in denial. They knew. They planned the shit. And it isnt going to work, this isn't 1933. and even if it was they clearly don't have the mental game. For the sake of your country and your livelihood turn your back on this shit right now.\r\n\r\nIf that made no sense to you, you need to realize the media does nothing but lie all the time, and you gotta connect the damned dots. Then pick a side.","author":"Pissed Off in Ohio","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 02:45:03","modified":"2003-03-20 02:45:03","fileurl":""},{"id":37078,"heading":"HA!","article":"\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nhere's your proof!","author":"2nd a","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-20 02:45:13","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:38","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/img32.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/img32.jpg"}},{"id":37085,"heading":"Clandestine Radio","article":"Go here and listen to the psychop radio we're blasting Iraq with in real time!\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.clandestineradio.com\/","author":"Max Thrasher","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 03:08:38","modified":"2003-03-20 03:08:38","fileurl":""},{"id":37090,"heading":"Leme guess","article":"That'd be the grill that's outside your dorm room?\r\n\r\n\r\nStill waiting for a news article...","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 03:24:51","modified":"2003-03-20 03:24:51","fileurl":""},{"id":37095,"heading":"FYI: Constitution amended","article":"The Constitution won't count for much if we are brought to a "Code Red" alert status. We'll be one step away from FEMA relocating innocent persons to "safe locations", refurbished and new "concentration camp like" facilities. Sad, however true, they do in fact exist. Unfortnately, the masses are to busy consuming mind dulling substances and sucking in the hype to acknowledge the alerterations of what was once assumed a "free country". ","author":"LIB","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 03:40:45","modified":"2003-03-20 03:40:45","fileurl":""},{"id":37103,"heading":"Graphic aid please.","article":">>Sad, however true, they do in fact exist. \r\n\r\nPlease show the class the location of these camps?\r\n\r\nYou can use:\r\n\r\nwww.mapblast.com","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 04:35:18","modified":"2003-03-20 04:35:18","fileurl":""},{"id":37111,"heading":"Here's Your Link...","article":"...read it an weep: http:\/\/www.apfn.org\/apfn\/camps.htm\r\n\r\nIt contains everything including maps and photos. Decide for yourself. However, if you do a Google on it you'll find plenty more. But this is a good starting point. And this is not some weepy hand wringer Web Site.\r\n\r\nBy the way I am sure you are up there near the top of the list with the rest of us resistance types because once you become aware you are as dangerous to them as anyone already awake.\r\n\r\nHitler liquidated the Brown Shirts for that reason.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 04:54:01","modified":"2003-03-20 04:54:01","fileurl":""},{"id":37118,"heading":"Lots of Descriptions","article":"The describe, in detail, machine gun tower and gas chambers and crematoriums.\r\n\r\nBut THERE'S NOT A SINGLE PICTURE of one of these "camps".\r\n\r\nWell, unless you count the photos that one of the sites referenced by your "evidence" www.rense.com has - like this one:\r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-20 05:11:54","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:38","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/splashd.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/splashd.jpg"}},{"id":37120,"heading":"wow","article":"I didn't know they got a picture of that... that was a great hair day for me.\r\n\r\ni wish someone would have sent me that earlier.\r\n\r\nand that really is exactly what the desert looks like out there. feels like you just stepped into a super nintendo.","author":"POIO","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 05:16:37","modified":"2003-03-20 05:16:37","fileurl":""},{"id":37121,"heading":"Oh Well,...","article":"...I should have known better than to think a Brown Shirt Shill was actually interested in learning anything.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 05:16:57","modified":"2003-03-20 05:16:57","fileurl":""},{"id":37131,"heading":"Conspiracy?","article":"Try this one on for size: WPC = KGB:\r\n\r\nGeneral Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc - he wrote this article regarding the world wide "Peace Movement"\r\n\r\nExcerpt:\r\n[The WPC was created by Moscow in the 1950s and had only one task: to portray the United States as being run by a "war-mongering government." ]\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/comment\/comment-pacepa031803.asp\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.wpc-in.org\/","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 05:46:02","modified":"2003-03-20 05:46:02","fileurl":""},{"id":37133,"heading":"Oh Yeah...","article":"...The National Review - the Official Fanzine for the Bush Junta.\r\n\r\nTheir is little doubt that the KGB engaged in such activities but to assume that all members and organizations opposed to that group insanity called war are tools of the KGB. You have been reading too many cheap Spy Novels.","author":"Cloak And Dagger","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 05:59:48","modified":"2003-03-20 05:59:48","fileurl":""},{"id":37135,"heading":"Engaged (Past Tense..?)","article":"This organization is alive and well and currently based in Athens.\r\n\r\nDid you even bother to read the article? \r\n\r\nAnother Excerpt:\r\n\r\nOn December 14, 2002, the WPC convened a meeting of its Communist-style Executive Committee and then issued an official communiqu\u00e9 stating, in vintage Soviet language: "The Bush administration is intensifying readiness for the unilateral attack on Iraq, and this unilateralism of hegemony is becoming the biggest threat to world peace." ","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:06:35","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:08","fileurl":""},{"id":37136,"heading":"National Review?!","article":"Lord, give me a break.\r\nMight as well read mien kompft.\r\nBuckly is a true asshole facsist.\r\nI listened to Noam Chomsky slice and dice him\r\non a rare TV discussion.\r\nWish I could remember the exact program.\r\nIt was years ago, but I do remember him making\r\nthe buckster look silly and lame.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:09:10","modified":"2003-03-20 06:09:10","fileurl":""},{"id":37139,"heading":"And who pays?","article":"For all those expensive signs that Answer.org aka the World Workers Party displays at every "peace" march?\r\n\r\nThese protest events are pretty expensive:\r\n\r\nExcerpt:\r\n[Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration \u2014 much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers. \r\n\r\nSo who is picking up the tab?]\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.foxnews.com\/story\/0,2933,81314,00.html\r\n\r\nNasvidania Comrads","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:12:56","modified":"2013-11-10 23:49:08","fileurl":""},{"id":37140,"heading":"Eta ne ochen harasho","article":"Now it's fox.\r\nWell there seems to be an endless list of\r\nriech wing sources for you, da?\r\n","author":"Gaspadeen Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:20:42","modified":"2003-03-20 06:20:42","fileurl":""},{"id":37141,"heading":"MadMixmaster","article":"To assume that all peace activistists are tools of the KGB requires a rather peculiar and paranoid mindset.\r\n\r\nThe logic seems to go like this:\r\n\r\nSome Peace activists are Stalinist Morons\r\nJohn is a Peace activist.\r\nTherefore John is a Stalinist.\r\n\r\nis really no different from:\r\n\r\nSome members of the Aryan Nation Read National Review.\r\nMadMaxim reads National Review\r\nTherefore MadMaxim is a member of the Aryan Nation.\r\n\r\nOf course the second is more likely to be true.\r\n","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:20:42","modified":"2003-03-20 06:20:42","fileurl":""},{"id":37143,"heading":"Cute, but you failed to answer the question","article":"\r\nWho's picking up the tab? ","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:25:36","modified":"2003-03-20 06:25:36","fileurl":""},{"id":37144,"heading":"yeah wtf anyways","article":"how much does it really cost to walk around screaming in the rain with a crudely painted sign? Those are the best kind.\r\n\r\nI saw one of those answer signs at a protest, once, and it was held by someone there to speak about mumia whateverthefuck. one of out thousands. oh those buckets the guys where drumming on probably cost a mint... ohh or a crate amp and sm57 that any punk band would have... racking up quite a bill here... AND WHO PAID FOR THE TISSUES?!? WERE THEY *COMMUNIST* TISSUES?!?\r\n\r\nBOYCOT KLEENEX!!\r\n\r\npinhead... questioning the source of protester funding. You dicks were funded by enron. ENRON. Sorry but i don't care if fucking satan himself was buying the beer with fiery devil-dollars, enron is still worse.","author":"POIO","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:29:43","modified":"2003-03-20 06:29:43","fileurl":""},{"id":37145,"heading":"You know...","article":"...at this point I don't really give a rip. I know I am not a Stalinist, I know most of the people who post on this board who oppose the war are not Stalinists.\r\n\r\nMy opposition grew out of the conviction I was being lied to. And over and over and over again the Bush Junta has gone out of their way to convince me that I was right. I am being lied to.\r\n\r\nNow go shine those nice shiny buttons on that cute Brown Shirt.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:30:28","modified":"2003-03-20 06:30:28","fileurl":""},{"id":37147,"heading":"You don't need to be a Stalinist","article":"To be a lemming.\r\n\r\nWho's going to clean up after your tidy "revolution"?\r\n\r\nThe folks paying your bills?","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:34:37","modified":"2003-03-20 06:34:37","fileurl":""},{"id":37152,"heading":"You...","article":"...should know. It is always easier to go with the herd. I make up my own mind. Most of the people who visit this web site think for themselves. Now some of us may be incorrect from time to time, and on economic issues I am probably at odds with a lot of folks here, but it is something I'll have to live with. It is what happens in a Free Society. You have the right to disagree. A lot of people gave their lives to secure the blessings of liberty. I will not surrender them meekly.\r\n\r\nIn the end I'll know I supported a Just Cause.\r\n\r\nNow go spit shine those nice Brown Boots.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:42:53","modified":"2003-03-20 06:42:53","fileurl":""},{"id":37153,"heading":"Nemero dabushka","article":"Who cares?\r\nThe people always end up paying the tab.\r\nAfter spending our social security fund for\r\nmilitary expenses we get saddled with a debt\r\nwe didn't receive any benefit from.\r\n13 trillion in defense spending and the most restricted \r\nairspace in the world was a shuffle board for four\r\ncivilian aircraft for over one and a half hours.\r\nCan you say rip off?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:44:13","modified":"2003-03-20 06:44:13","fileurl":""},{"id":37154,"heading":"Information Warfare","article":"And then there are our other global competitors -\r\nlike the Chinese. Are they listening in here?\r\n\r\nWelcome to Information Warfare.\r\n\r\nLike pedophiles that surf into your child's bedroom, the enemies of the U.S. no longer need to land on U.S. soil. They've got the internet.\r\n\r\nLook around the chat room - who's among you?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.carlisle.army.mil\/ssi\/pubs\/2001\/chininfo\/chininfo.htm\r\n\r\nNighty night chairman mao.","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:46:15","modified":"2003-03-20 06:46:15","fileurl":""},{"id":37155,"heading":"The Price of Liberty...","article":"...is eternal vigilance.\r\n\r\nLet them watch. Given the criminal behavior occurring in Washington these days the only difference between Peking and Washington is a couple of time zones.\r\n\r\nA free and open society will always out-compete a slave society. What made this country great was free people following their dreams.\r\n\r\nThe Chinese can only dream of those freedoms.\r\n\r\nThat is why I will oppose your kind to my dying breath.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:52:30","modified":"2003-03-20 06:52:30","fileurl":""},{"id":37157,"heading":"Das vedanya tavasish, ne!","article":"Sleep tight.\r\nBring something beside a 'Communist conspiracy'\r\nwhen you come back, huh?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:54:21","modified":"2003-03-20 06:54:21","fileurl":""},{"id":37158,"heading":""Let them watch" Uhuh","article":"Oh, I think they do more than watch.\r\n\r\nA divided America will be an easier target.\r\nThe more turmoil we are in - the better for them.\r\n\r\nYou're a puppet on the chairman's strings.","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 06:58:14","modified":"2003-03-20 06:58:14","fileurl":""},{"id":37160,"heading":"Freedom...","article":"...is not always an organized looking activity. This seems to frighten totalitarians like yourself. You vant horder und organization. Sieg Heil! You vant der trains to run on time - or you vill be shot!\r\n\r\nUltimately the difference between what you are promoting and what the Communists are promoting is only a matter of semantics.\r\n\r\nA slave state on the right is no different than a slave state on the left.\r\n\r\nYou are still a slave.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 07:03:56","modified":"2003-03-20 07:03:56","fileurl":""},{"id":37161,"heading":"And I suppose I am too..","article":"Given that I'm in here helping sustain the division.\r\n\r\nWe should be thinking of how to improve the system so we don't find ourselves in this situation again.\r\n\r\nGet the that 72% of voters who didn't vote back into the decision making process.\r\n\r\nA government of the people, by the people, for the people. ","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 07:05:04","modified":"2003-03-20 07:05:04","fileurl":""},{"id":37163,"heading":"yeah get the other 28% involved too eh?","article":"absentee ballots?\r\n\r\nfraud-o-matic's worry me.","author":"POIO","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 07:19:28","modified":"2003-03-20 07:19:28","fileurl":""},{"id":37165,"heading":"Why? You prove it time and again","article":"Why do we gun-rights supporters think that folks are out to get our guns? Because you prove it, time and time again. You quote fallacious figures from gun-ban groups like the Violence Policy Center. You tell us you just want "gun control", which is another name for gun registration. If our guns are registered with the government, then they KNOW who has guns, and can come to our houses and confiscate them under martial law (or any time the state(s) decide to pass a law declaring certain formerly-legal guns are now contraband). \r\n\r\nLeave our guns alone; they may be needed to defend your liberties.","author":"Liberal with a Gun","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 07:27:28","modified":"2003-03-20 07:27:28","fileurl":""},{"id":37167,"heading":"Not absentee ballots","article":"Most of the people who don't bother to vote believe that their vote does not mean anything.\r\n\r\nWe need to make their vote count again.\r\n\r\nBig-business runs politics because millions of $ are required for candidates to communicate with the public.\r\n\r\nMost of those $ are spent on media Advertising.\r\n\r\nThere's now another way to communicate a message to the public: \r\n\r\n It's called the internet.\r\n\r\nBe Well, Be safe \r\n- goodnight.\r\nMax","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-20 07:37:11","modified":"2003-03-20 07:37:11","fileurl":""},{"id":37268,"heading":"Yes a paper trail","article":"There is our gold standard. Without it no one can\r\neven pretend to know what's going on.\r\nYou gotta be curious when the exit polls are wildly\r\ndivergent from the vote 'results' like it was in the\r\n2000 election.\r\nThis is of course if we even have another election.","author":"sheepdog","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 02:41:56","modified":"2003-03-21 02:41:56","fileurl":""},{"id":37282,"heading":"How about an ETrail?","article":"Some ideas of the top of my head:\r\n\r\nVoter results can be entered into a database and made available on-line.\r\n\r\nEach voter gets a unique code\/key so anonimity can be maintained.\r\n\r\nThe voter can then "check the list" to see that their choices are correct for their key...\r\n\r\nThe voter database should be publicly accessable - read only. It could be made available on cd-rom.\r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 03:20:56","modified":"2003-03-21 03:20:56","fileurl":""},{"id":37290,"heading":"Frankly...","article":"...I would prefer a strictly manual count done at the Precinct level with aggregate totals reported to a central station.\r\n\r\nIn calibrating EVS machines the benchmark reference standard is still a hand count. Which, while it might sound counterintuitive, is generally more accurate than the machines from what I have read.\r\n\r\nIt is interesting to note that in the last election 5 Congressional Seats, strangely enough all Republican, were won by identical Vote totals: 18,181. (The Supplier for the Machines was the same in all 5 Districts - a Bush Supporter of Course.) Three of the seats were in Texas, one in Michigan, and the other Ohio (I think - not sure on the last one - my memory is hazy on it).\r\n\r\nA Precinct Level Count is easy enough to do as most Precincts will only get about 750 Votes on average. You draw names from the Precinct at random as Vote Talliers. You pay them something reasonable like say 100 dollars for the evening.\r\n\r\nIt is done in teams of 3 - a Reader, a Checker (of a different Party) and a Tallier who records the count. You might want to add an Observer for that just to make sure they are tallied in the right column.\r\n\r\nFrom what I have read on the costs associated with different systems the hand count is no more expensive and is a LOT harder to cheat at. You then save the Paper Ballots for say 180 days and then shred them unless there is a pending challenge.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 03:41:13","modified":"2003-03-21 03:41:13","fileurl":""},{"id":37395,"heading":"mr.","article":""Illuminati Manifesto," Solomon Tulbure;\r\n"Rule by Secrecy," Jim Marrs, www.jimmarrs.com;\r\n"The Soulless One," Mark L. Prophet, www.tsl.org;\r\n"Entering the Circle," Olga Kharitidi, M.D.;\r\n"Toward a Solar Civilization," Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov, www.prosveta.com;\r\n"Above Black," Dan Sherman, www.aboveblack.com;\r\n"The Music of Time," Nichols and Moon;\r\n"Casebook on Alternative 3," Jim Keith;\r\nwww.disclosureproject.org;\r\nwww.coasttocoastam.com;\r\nwww.raven1.net; and\r\nwww.greenpages.com.au\/baird\/default.htm\r\nall have something to say about the present situation.","author":"jim smith","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 06:25:27","modified":"2003-03-21 06:25:27","fileurl":""},{"id":37402,"heading":"wow","article":"wow\r\nSpaced cowboy\r\nwow","author":"wow","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 06:35:33","modified":"2003-03-21 06:35:33","fileurl":""},{"id":37417,"heading":"Dr. Smith was a woosy.","article":"Lost in Spaaaace.\r\n\r\nClassic Soviet disinformation and paranoia tactics. \r\n\r\nNo sale.\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-21 07:15:43","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/splashd.jpgffccj9.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/splashd.jpgffccj9.jpg"}},{"id":37834,"heading":"Thread hidden?","article":"Embarassing, is it?","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 22:58:56","modified":"2003-03-21 22:58:56","fileurl":""},{"id":37839,"heading":"Now you are getting paranoid.","article":"I think they pulled everything for a while to do some clean up work. We had a visit from that horrid little child who used to leave sick pornographic Posts under the name AdolphPastrami.\r\n\r\nThey were just removing the potty tracks.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 23:04:57","modified":"2003-03-21 23:04:57","fileurl":""},{"id":37845,"heading":"Ok then... where is","article":"The article I "Published" named "Hey, Maybe Canada is on to something?" regarding the Canadian PM's comments:\r\n\r\nOTTAWA (Reuters) - Prime Minister Jean Chretien, trying to clamp down on a wave of anti-American comments by his administration, urged Canadians on Thursday not to criticize the United States for attacking Iraq because this could be construed as supporting Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. \r\n\r\n????\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/wp-dyn\/articles\/A63724-2003Mar20.html","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 23:13:53","modified":"2003-03-21 23:13:53","fileurl":""},{"id":37857,"heading":"I give.","article":"Where is it?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 23:24:55","modified":"2003-03-21 23:24:55","fileurl":""},{"id":37867,"heading":"I'm new at this...","article":"I clicked on "Publish" at the upper right corner of the screen, filled out the form. \r\n\r\nAnd clicked "PUBLISH!" on the data-entry form.\r\n\r\nI was then taken to a screen that correctly showed the article.\r\n\r\nBut when I went to the "commentary" list, it's not there - gone, poof!\r\n\r\nIs this not the correct procedure?","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 23:35:20","modified":"2003-03-21 23:35:20","fileurl":""},{"id":38092,"heading":"You have to...","article":"...do one more thing. If I wasn't such a swell guy I might chuckle while I withheld what you are missing but what can I say even an OLD Non-Com has soft hearted moments. (But not many of them - don't want to ruin my reputation.)\r\n\r\nYou have to then enter a comment as you would when making a comment on another article. Otherwise it just goes down the news ticker on the Sites Home page. You have to have at least one comment made before it kicks over to the Commentary Ticker.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 07:15:18","modified":"2003-03-22 07:15:18","fileurl":""},{"id":38123,"heading":"Hey Cool","article":"I have a voice... la la la la la \r\n\r\nThanks.","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 07:55:07","modified":"2003-03-22 07:55:07","fileurl":""},{"id":38170,"heading":"Hmmm, Anybody Recognize this Quote?","article":""Power is, power does, and power slips away.\r\n It's so easy to abuse"\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 08:16:27","modified":"2003-03-22 08:16:27","fileurl":""},{"id":38558,"heading":"This is why...","article":"This stuff makes me want to move to New Zealand... If a state of martial law were to be declared, I would hate to be around for fear it would never end...","author":"Khiken","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 23:07:48","modified":"2003-03-22 23:07:48","fileurl":""},{"id":38561,"heading":"Running from it...","article":"...will only delay the inevitable. These people are playing for keeps and Iraq is only part of the game. In the end in their sick obsessions they want ALL of the Marbles.\r\n\r\nEither we make a stand while we still can or the end game will eventually reach all.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":37013,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-22 23:11:13","modified":"2003-03-22 23:11:13","fileurl":""}]}