{"article":{"id":36105,"heading":"L.A. Antiwar March 3\/15\/03","author":"Carl Gunther","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:15:59","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:15:59","article":"

These pictures were taken on the March through downtown Los Angeles. A huge and spirited crowd turned out - probably larger than the one that took this same route back in January - despite one of the biggest rainstorms of the year.

This is BEFORE THE WAR, and IN THE RAIN.

If 300-400 missiles are launched at the people of Iraq as Bush has announced, we will simply shut down the country!

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Antiwar March Defying Bush and the Rain on 3\/15\/03","numcomment":21,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/apocalypsenot.jpg","filesize":"115.9 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/36105.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/apocalypsenot.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/apocalypsenot.jpgthumb.jpg","medium":"\/uploads\/2003\/03\/apocalypsenot.jpgmid.jpg"}},"attachments":[{"id":36106,"heading":"March Turning from Fourth St. Up Spring St.","article":"","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:00","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchturningfromfourthontospring.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchturningfromfourthontospring.jpg"}},{"id":36107,"heading":"Marching Up Spring St.","article":"","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:00","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchupspring.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchupspring.jpg"}},{"id":36108,"heading":"Marching Up Spring St. Near Fourth","article":"","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:00","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchupspringnearfourthst.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/marchupspringnearfourthst.jpg"}},{"id":36109,"heading":"Rally at Temple and Los Angeles Sts.","article":"Looking toward the stage.","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:01","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelessts.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelessts.jpg"}},{"id":36110,"heading":"Rally at Temple and Los Angeles Sts. (2nd Photo)","article":"Looking toward the stage.","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:01","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelessts2.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelessts2.jpg"}},{"id":36111,"heading":"Rally at Temple and Los Angeles Sts.","article":"Looking away from the stage.","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:01","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelesstslookingawayfromstage.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/peacerallyattempleandlosangelesstslookingawayfromstage.jpg"}},{"id":36112,"heading":"Seek Peace Sign","article":"This was on the march up Spring St.","author":"Carl Gunther","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 01:56:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:16:02","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/seekpeacesign.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/seekpeacesign.jpg"}}],"comments":[{"id":36192,"heading":"Nice shots, Carl","article":"Your little digital camera is making some nice stuff. I think I'll do something non-commercial with the one of all the umbrellas (you'll get a credit). \r\n\r\nWhile I suspect the first one was "image processed" by a wet lens, it has a nice quality I don't usually see in digital... background is downright painterly.\r\n ","author":"Marconi","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-17 07:57:58","modified":"2003-03-17 07:57:58","fileurl":""},{"id":36381,"heading":"UMBRELLAS AGAINST WAR!","article":"Let's hear it for all the LA peeps sticking it out in the rain! It was quite cold, dark and soggy but our determination shone through!\r\n\r\nUMBRELLAS AGAINST WAR!!!","author":"Polypulse Circulator","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-18 18:17:36","modified":"2003-03-18 18:17:36","fileurl":""},{"id":36439,"heading":"Ms.","article":"War is a must. Shut the hell up with these anti-war sentiments. Let's say another 9-11 happens and this war never occurred because of people like you? Would you then jump on the bandwagon of all the people screaming at Prez. Bush criticizing him for not doing anything when he should have done something to prevent it? OR, would you continue to participate in these anti-war protests until the next 9-11? Being anti-war is being anti-American. Please just move out of this country and be w\/ the French. You people are not welcome here!!!! ","author":"Jennifer","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-18 21:21:12","modified":"2003-03-18 21:21:12","fileurl":""},{"id":36454,"heading":"useless clueless cow","article":"Crawl back into your facsist hole and wave your flag.\r\nFreedom of speech, comprede?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-18 22:06:54","modified":"2003-03-18 22:06:54","fileurl":""},{"id":36459,"heading":"Interesting Numbers","article":"Some interesting numbers from our friends at Gallup.\r\n\r\nApparently 64% of Americans currently support the use of military force against Saddam with only 33% opposing. That's the highest it's been since June of 1993 when support was at 70%\r\n\r\n59% belive that too much time has been taken to garner more international support for the military strike, while 38% think that more time should be given.\r\n\r\nAnd finally...According to the latest Gallup poll, a total of 68% think that Bush has handled diplomatic efforts on this situation either "Best job possible" or "Fairly good job." While a total of 31% think that Bush has done a "fairly bad job" or "completely mishandled" diplomatic efforts.\r\n","author":"Gallup","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-18 22:24:08","modified":"2003-03-18 22:24:08","fileurl":""},{"id":36783,"heading":"Poll","article":"Who are these pollsters asking? No one I know.","author":"Meg Brizzolara","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 16:17:27","modified":"2003-03-19 16:17:27","fileurl":""},{"id":36796,"heading":"gee meg, that email address suits you...","article":"And because they're not polling you and your pot smoking hippie liberal friends, doesn't cast any doubt on the validity of those stats.\r\n\r\nNow go eat your tofu and cranberries.","author":"Eric","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 17:07:24","modified":"2003-03-19 17:07:24","fileurl":""},{"id":36825,"heading":"hmm","article":"I used to get called for political polls quite often. After GW Bushwacked got appointed, they called, I gave an unfavorable answer, and was hung up on before finishing my statement. That was 2 years ago, I've never been called again. I didn't give the "correct" answer.\r\nPolls are bullshit.","author":"c71898","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 17:51:53","modified":"2003-03-19 17:51:53","fileurl":""},{"id":36839,"heading":"And your Point?","article":"We already know Clinton was a boob.\r\n\r\nIn your mind does this somehow justify the shameless way that George I\r\nleft the Kurds and Shias out to dry and die following Gulf Massacre I?\r\n\r\nDoes it somewhere in your sick universe somehow justify going in now and killing\r\na couple hundred thousand civilians to get one man?\r\n\r\nWe both know, whether you will admit it or not, that this war is not about Saddam Hussein.\r\nHussein is the pretext. The plans at play would appear to be somewhat more grandiose.\r\n\r\nThe objective is the sick and twisted lust for money and power by a handfull\r\nof megalomaniacs - whose tool is George II.\r\n\r\nYou prove nothing BA other than you are a dupe or a sycophant.\r\nWhich are you? Dupe? Sycophant?","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 18:14:16","modified":"2003-03-19 18:14:16","fileurl":""},{"id":36840,"heading":"Polls","article":"First of all, Gallup is the most respected polling organization in the world and has NO political affiliation. Second, I'm sorry if the cold hard numbers are in stark contrast to the fantasy world that you live in. ","author":"Gallup Reader","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 18:16:37","modified":"2003-03-19 18:16:37","fileurl":""},{"id":36855,"heading":"The Point","article":"I'll tell you what MY point is:\r\n\r\nMy point is that I can not WAIT until this war comes to \r\na swift and decisive victory with a MINIMUM amount \r\nof American AND civilian casualties. I can not WAIT\r\nuntil the Iraqi oilfields are handed over to the control\r\nof the new Iraqi government after the war is over. But\r\nmost of all, I can not WAIT until the images of liberated\r\nIraqi people, dancing in the streets just as they did in\r\nAfghanistan, start to transmit across the world as our\r\ncoalition forces make their way through Iraq.\r\n\r\nThat victory over all of you fearmongering liberal\r\nfountains of misinformation, will be far greater than the\r\nmilitary victory over Saddam Hussein.\r\n\r\nSo go ahead and respond to this post with all of your\r\ninsults, empty accusations, fearmongering false\r\ninformation, or immature name calling.\r\n\r\nThe bottom line is: You're all going to look like fools when this is over with.","author":"Tired Of This","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 18:33:08","modified":"2003-03-19 18:33:08","fileurl":""},{"id":36865,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...i think someone has their means confused with their ends...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"KPC","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 18:48:19","modified":"2003-03-19 18:48:19","fileurl":""},{"id":36871,"heading":"To "Tired of this"","article":"''With a minimum amount of American and civilian casualties"??? What is that about? Any number is too much. What if you were one of those killed? \r\n\r\nWhat if someone you were close to was killed or injured, how would you feel? Can you even answer that question with a logical answer?\r\n\r\nOh, and by the way "empty accusations"... You just contradicted yourself by maiking your final statement. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Rosa, 16","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 18:55:57","modified":"2003-03-19 18:55:57","fileurl":""},{"id":36887,"heading":"Rosa","article":"And just how would YOU feel if we sat back and did nothing while Saddam sold his chemical and\/or biological weapons to international terrorists. Just how would YOU feel if those terrorists slipped them into this country and snuffed out hundreds or thousands of innocent lives HERE?\r\n\r\nSaddam doesn't have any such weapons? Then why are there numerous reports today (from a variety of news organizations) that he's arming his troops with them, even after his denial that they exist?\r\n\r\nAnyone that says there is no legitimate tie between Iraq and al-Qaeda is either blind, or simply refuses to accept the facts.\r\n\r\nThe point of the "minimum" statement was to refute these WILD accusations that 100,000 or even 200,000 innocent Iraqis are going to die in this war. Even the people that make those claims have to realize how ridiculous they are.\r\n\r\nAre some innocents going to die? Probably, after Saddam intentionally forces them to stand at the doors of his military targets. But, unlike Saddam, the U.S. military goes out of their way, spending millions of dollars developing weapons that have the precision to strike military targets in an effort to avoid civilian casualties.\r\n\r\nThere is a real danger in Iraq. France has already declared that they intend to put a stop to any LEGITIMATE peaceful solutions. Saddam has already declared that he will NEVER comply with U.N. resolutions.\r\n\r\nWar fits every horrible description ever used by anti-war protestors. Unfortunately, sometimes it is the only choice.","author":"Re:","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 19:31:32","modified":"2003-03-19 19:31:32","fileurl":""},{"id":37016,"heading":"More Numbers You Won't Like","article":"Some more hard numbers from the Gallup \r\norganization. They're real. Look 'em up yourself. And, \r\njust because they didn't ask any of the people that \r\nYOU personally hang out with, that doesn't make the \r\nnumbers illegitimate.\r\n\r\nOverall, 66% of Americans approve of Bush's decision \r\nto go to war unless Saddam Hussein leaves Iraq \r\nwithin 48 hours, while 30% disapprove. \r\n\r\nBy a similar margin, 68% to 28%, Americans also say \r\nthat the United States has done all it can do to solve \r\nthe crisis with Iraq diplomatically. \r\n\r\nI guess a vocal minority does NOT constitute a majority\r\nafter all.","author":"Gallup Again","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-19 22:45:54","modified":"2003-03-19 22:45:54","fileurl":""},{"id":37735,"heading":"Numbers are pointless...","article":"Gallup is an extremely reliable polling outfit. \r\n\r\nJust like the New York Times is an extremely reliable news reporting outfit.\r\n\r\nSome of you reading this will get the joke...\r\n\r\nThe point is this:\r\nGallup isn't making up the numbers; those "numbers" are real. But Gallup *IS* making up the questions that are asked in order to get the numbers. And the questions *ALWAYS* affect the answer. \r\n\r\nAny social scientist that has ANY integrity whatsoever will (attempt to) ensure that the questions asked in a poll do not influence the answers given. At least, not influence them in such a way as to skew the end result, to give an artificial and inaccurate answer.\r\n\r\nExamples:\r\n\r\n1. Do you support president George W. Bush in his use of force to remove the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein from power?\r\n\r\n2. Do you think that the US should bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens in order to attempt to remove the Iraqi president from power?\r\n\r\nNeither of these questions, on their own, are acceptable for use in a poll of public opinion if the results of that poll are to be valid. Obviously, each question suggests the answer sought by the scientist\/pollster. \r\n\r\nThe questions asked by many polling organizations vary in the degree of "spin" that is placed in their questions (intentionally or not) and their results reflect this spin.\r\n\r\nAdditionally, beyond the questions asked (regardless of whether those questions are neutral or biased), you have to look at WHO answered the questions. Was the sample population representative of the larger population to whom you are trying to generalize? Trying to get a truly random sample of the US population is a very, very difficult thing to do. The use of any single method of data collection, amongst a population of this size, will almost always introduce bias and inaccuracy of a type and degree that is difficult to factor for.\r\n\r\nJust some thoughts.\r\n\r\nPeace,\r\nMatthew Fitt\r\n\r\n","author":"Matthew Fitt","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-21 20:59:26","modified":"2003-03-21 20:59:26","fileurl":""},{"id":41189,"heading":"Popularity contest?","article":"In the words of our boy emperor, aren't polls just "focus groups"? Since you mentioned Nazi Germany, don't you know that the majority of German citizens supported Hitler? No, I'm not comparing the US to Nazi Germany. Just jeering at those of you who are so overjoyed with surge of irrational nationalism during wartime. GW Bush will leave his office the most unpopular president in US history. The scums behind him (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc.) will be tried BY HISTORY as treasonous bastards.","author":"Hieronymous","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 03:30:29","modified":"2003-03-27 03:30:29","fileurl":""},{"id":42349,"heading":"Shut down what?","article":"Will you please let me know when you are going to shut down the country so I can stay home? It would really help on my gas consumption.","author":"Tom Kryder","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-28 18:18:08","modified":"2003-03-28 18:18:08","fileurl":""},{"id":44029,"heading":"We Already Started...","article":"Tom, \r\n\r\nWe started on it last week. Sorry we didn't tell you earlier, but we were kind of busy. I'm sure you understand.\r\n\r\nAnyway, now that the "shutting down" process has begun, you should probably stay home from now on, if that is really what you want to do.\r\n\r\nPersonally, I don't think staying at home is quite necessary, but I do recommend not going to work (maybe you have some vacation time saved up? Or some sick days? I've certainly been sickened lately) and to whatever extent possible, not driving your car. \r\n\r\nNot only will you feel better about doing your small part in helping to end the slaughter of civilians, but you might be surprised to find yourself feeling that much more alive and free when you walk to your local independent market to buy a wedge of brie, a fresh baguette, and a nice bottle of french wine.\r\n\r\nPeace.","author":"Mr. Normal","parent_id":36105,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-31 07:10:39","modified":"2003-03-31 07:10:39","fileurl":""}]}