{"article":{"id":33255,"heading":"Dirty little secret","author":"Traveler","created":"2003-03-06 04:09:15","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:48:54","article":"

Years ago my Father (A Baptist missionary) gave me a valuable key to help me read the motives of people weather they are pastors or perisinors listen to what they condemn the most be it money sex or immorality. The thing that they condemn the most is what they them selves have the greatest problem with.

What to do about B.A. He insults, he disparages, he is disrespectful, and he does everything he can to disrupt any thread that he can. However, If you are to have any credibility you must do nothing…

For he is your creation.

At this point you may pick up what ever you dropped in total surprise at the unbelievable statement you just read. How did we crate B.A? You may say, He is the exact opossit of us, you may say. You crated him in the same way that

Able created Cain

Rome created Attila the Hun

The Catholic Church created Martin Luther

King George created George Washington

The KKK created Martin Luther King

Yes Einstein was right for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

That seems so unsatisfying to have in your presence some one you feel needs to be trashed humiliated and humbled. However doing that will just feed the monster and the monster will just grow bigger and bigger.

Now there you did it again, you think the monster is B.A. but you still do not understand. The monster has no religion no political belief and no ideology of any kind. And it lives in each and every one of us. Myself included. It is incivility and vulgarism. Whenever we violate others we feed the monster and violate ourselves

So back to the story I started with, the advice my father gave me so many years ago. I am sure that you as did I had at least one low life come to mind for me it was a pastor we knew that was caught in a sexual scandal that shocked so many of us. But you like I missed the point again. The point of the story is that you need to apply this test to your self, And if independent media means anything to you all standards must be applied equally and for this reason B.A. can not be banned.

<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Years ago my Father (A Baptist missionary) gave me a valuable key to help me read the motives of people weather they are pastors or perisinors listen to what they condemn the most be it money sex or immorality. The thing that they condemn the most is what they them selves have the greatest problem with. \r\n\r\n","numcomment":19,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/03\/33255.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":33294,"heading":"Bravo!","article":"Thank you so much Traveler for such an eloquent statement for something that should be blatantly obvious! I hope that your advice will be well received and heeded. May I suggest that you post it again every few days to remind us all of your point?! I think many people share your father's sentiment but unfortunately are not insightful.","author":"Christy B.","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 09:12:39","modified":"2003-03-06 09:12:39","fileurl":""},{"id":33305,"heading":"Morons & monsters","article":"Well traveler, sorry, no soap.\r\nWe did not create the 'our gang' of weasels, IMC\r\ndoesn't have the buget. Guess who does?\r\nAny more insight?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 10:07:06","modified":"2003-03-06 10:07:06","fileurl":""},{"id":33320,"heading":"A soft answer turns away wrath","article":"Sheepdog his creation required no budgets no recruitment and nothing outside of your usual actions. He is a reaction, He like I in one way or another wondered on to this site and read views that were in one way or another stridently opposite of ours We chose just different ways to approach the situation. I enjoy a good debate; He enjoys a loud shouting match. I think that if you do not like the way he posts then you have been using the wrong method fight him by responding in the way you have you increase his visibility and lower your self to a bitter level. This gives him something to respond to and in his mind justifies even more vicious attacks. And the monster is fed again. A better way to deal with it would be not to respond or respond kindly this will frustrate him he will continue to post awhile but it will not satisfy his need and he will find somewhere that will meet his desire for conflict. I am sure he views his banishment as a metal of honor. \r\n\r\nAfter all aren\u2019t you all the peace activists. \r\n\r\n","author":"Traveler","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 16:07:02","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":33324,"heading":"Mr. Traveler","article":"Yes they are reactionary and no, they offer little\r\ndebate only purposeful disruption. I respond in kind \r\nbecause this is the level of dialogue they deal in.\r\nWithout respect or understanding.\r\nTheir diatribe or daily spin is only that. I also welcome\r\ndebate with a mind to increase my own understanding. Would you like a typical BA post? We know why they are here.\r\nSerious commentary is always welcome. Not senile, not agiprop thinly veiled as opinion. It is tiresome and\r\nvicious in its purpose.\r\nThis latest spam attack which they participated in is an\r\nexample. Liars w\/o honor. Already the boards are calmer\r\nand more cerebral. Thank you for reading this.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 16:20:25","modified":"2003-03-06 16:20:25","fileurl":""},{"id":33331,"heading":"A recent example","article":"From the agiprop gang.\r\n-Simple\r\n by Simple Simon \u2022 Wednesday March 05, 2003 Wedt 08:25 AM\r\n\r\n Little boy, how many spankings do you need before you accept your inferiority?\r\n You should practice debate with your daughter, work up some vocabulary, don't get\r\n frustrated when she uses concepts you don't understand. You'll get there son.-\r\nGet the picture?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 16:30:14","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":33341,"heading":"Banning = Weapon of thought destruction","article":"I have read some of his posts and his and my tactics are different. As you know my core beliefs are probably closer to his than yours. However, I feel that vulgarity has no place in public discourse so I choose to consider my words before stating them you never know who you may influence with your opinions three ways to express your self in political debate are statements of fact, satire and sarcasm. I prefer more of the first two less of the last (although sometimes it is fun) \r\n\r\nIs my input not welcome as well when is my banning coming? \r\n","author":"Traveler","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 16:49:28","modified":"2003-03-06 16:49:28","fileurl":""},{"id":33343,"heading":"IMC editors","article":"With a reasonable format why would they?\r\nDon't be nervous, with all the disgusting spam\r\nbombs and you know what which gets slung your\r\npost are more like what IMC is all about.\r\nI'm far more likely to be censored than yourself.\r\nBut hey I\u2019m just guessing.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 16:59:08","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":33346,"heading":"Censoship makes me uncomfortable","article":"I have to admit I am of 2 minds on this.\r\n\r\nOn the one hand I find the SIMPLEton and Bush Sycophant annoying.\r\n\r\nOn the onther I do not like the idea of someone deciding what is and what is not an acceptable opinion.\r\n\r\nSIMPLEton and BA are the most obvious because, while caustic, they are able to express a coherent (I didn't say I agree with it) thought.\r\n\r\nAs such they act as a spur to robust debate.\r\n\r\nI have whiled away more than a few hours dispatching Simpleton only to have him blithely return to his usual bickering and causticity.\r\n\r\nOne always hopes to sway opinions and convince others of the rightness of their opinion. That is what, I think, makes these two in particular frustratingly annoying - their opinions are fixed and unchanging, and never any acknowledgement that their opposition has a point.\r\n\r\nNevetheless I would argue against stilling their voice on this Board because while they do generate heat another consequence, perhaps to their dismay, is Light.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 17:14:45","modified":"2003-03-06 17:14:45","fileurl":""},{"id":33348,"heading":"Simple","article":"Sheepdog, as usual your premise is way off base.\r\n\r\nYour argument seems to be that those that oppose your views should be banned as they don't contribute to the 'activist community' and it's various activities. This is false. A forum which is comprised of nothing but sycophantic toadies does no one a service. Only if your views can stand up to criticism and critique can they be considered valid. Many of the \u2018activist community\u2019 are woefully uninformed, or are loaded to the gills with disinformation and propaganda. To defend their points of view isn\u2019t a distraction, it is a service. It will allow them to become educated about subjects about which they have only a cursory understanding. If this changes their mind on certain subjects, then huzzah. If it reinforces their opinions, then they can go forward with the knowledge that they can defend their position.\r\n\r\nWhat IS distracting and disruptive of the mission of the \u2018activist community\u2019 is the presence in their midst of worn out old paranoids and members of the conspiracy theory of the month club. Nothing helps belittle and marginalize the \u2018movement\u2019 like the presence of a space cadet like Sheepdog. Once he starts opening his mouth about the various and sundry conspiracies taking place all around us, the \u2018movement\u2019 begins to resemble a great big Star Trek convention.\r\n\r\nOn a unrelated point Sheepdog, we should look at your dishonest methodology when attempting to smear me. You post my piquant reply as if it existed in a vacuum, rather than in it\u2019s correct context. Here is what I was replying to:\r\n\r\n \u201cYeah, they'd be closet racists in self-denial like you....\u201d\r\n\r\nNow, as regular readers of the boards will know, this is an exceedingly mild attack from KPC, whose specialty seems to be profanity and misspelling. I have, at times taken him to task for his constant insults, and have trounced him times innumerable on matters of substance. KPC is an endless fount of assault, yet Sheepdog doesn\u2019t mind his presence here, as he is a useful idiot.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 17:17:35","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":33354,"heading":"Wow","article":"Misses the point it says.\r\nDoubtful.\r\nIts portfolio.\r\nNo respect no credit no honor.\r\nWow","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 17:43:31","modified":"2003-03-06 17:43:31","fileurl":""},{"id":33355,"heading":"Simple","article":"Sheepdog speaks\r\nIn haiku form\r\nMaking noise from his neck\r\nnot head","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 17:45:21","modified":"2003-03-06 17:45:21","fileurl":""},{"id":33366,"heading":"<>-<>","article":"-Hmm....\r\n by David \u2022 Sunday March 02, 2003 Sunt 08:19 PM\r\n\r\n u like anal sex with boys.....another dumb and pointless comment by a\r\n liberal.....what is with liberals and irrelavent comments god i hate that.....fucking\r\n liberals need to shut their mouths they have nothin important to say alls they do is\r\n argue and make shit up.....you would think all the arguing they do they would be\r\n good debaters...instead alls they do is make shit up.....in other words....SHUT THE\r\n FUCK UP-\r\nIt has nice friends in the playpen with it; One Eyed Man is a saint in comparison.\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/01\/26052_comment.php#33359","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 18:10:14","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":33368,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Oooohh, whatsa matter Pvt. Fido, pissed off because I outted you?\r\n\r\nClaim victory if you want...but if you were paying attention, you would notice that I have never debated you...you are a barking dog, and why would I try to debate a derranged mutt?","author":"KPC","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 18:14:57","modified":"2003-03-06 18:14:57","fileurl":""},{"id":33370,"heading":"Disapointing","article":"And so the monster is fed again.","author":"Traveler","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 18:29:22","modified":"2003-03-06 18:29:22","fileurl":""},{"id":33371,"heading":"Mr. Traveler","article":"Yes we feed the beast. We are human, also sometimes\r\nforgiving; to a point.\r\nOnced crossed never to return.\r\n-S","author":"Wow","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 18:34:07","modified":"2003-03-06 18:34:07","fileurl":""},{"id":33393,"heading":"Simple","article":"Does anyone know what KPC is yapping about? And what does 'outted' mean? I haven't come across that one before.\r\n\r\nHere's something else your daughter can help you with sonny: spell check.\r\n\r\nAnd clean up the language, there are women present, you cretin.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 20:59:08","modified":"2003-03-06 20:59:08","fileurl":""},{"id":33402,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"It's Pvt. Fido's alter ego...Aunt Nancy!\r\n\r\nSorry to wrankle you delicate sensibilities Auntie....I understand your mind is a fragile thing....it's a good thing you don't use if very often...\r\n\r\n...oops...almost forgot....FUCKK!","author":"KPC","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 21:24:25","modified":"2003-03-06 21:24:25","fileurl":""},{"id":33404,"heading":"Simple","article":"What does 'wrankle' mean? Anyone? Buehler?","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 21:28:17","modified":"2003-03-06 21:28:17","fileurl":""},{"id":33408,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"You're a barnyard hick...you oughta know what "wrankle" means...like in "Mah coveralls is all wrankled"....","author":"KPC","parent_id":33255,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-06 21:31:23","modified":"2003-03-06 21:31:23","fileurl":""}]}