Anti-War protests at the corner of Imperial Hwy and Brea BLVD. were taken over by right-wing, flag waving , pro-war Bush Supporters. Between 10 and 20 activist having been gathering there on Saturday and Sunday between 12pm and 6Pm for the past few months.
We are dedidcated peace activist who face alot of abuse and ridicule in this area of racisist Suv driving, conservative republicans. People throw things at us, give us the bird, try to run us over and shout intelegent things like,\"nukem all\" or Fuck Sudam. They even threaten us with violence.
But I could not belive what I saw last Saturday when I got to the intersection at 12pm. There were atleast 25 pro-war demonstartors not just at our corner but at all four corners of the intersection. All of them waving flags and signs that said kill Sadam and remember 9-11. I found out that a right wing talk show host named Sean Hanady on radio station KABC 790am told his fans to go to the intersection and take it over.
It was a real drag because we wound up arguing with them all day and it really killed our normally high spirits. Also they totaly outnumbered us. But get this, here is the ironic part. Sean Hanady is going to be doing his show live next thursday, 2-27-03, 12 pm at the rehdondo beach performing arts theater. This would be a great opportunity for an action. I think we need to stand up to this doctrine of hate a pro-war redoric being broadcast on a daily basis on our air waves, especially when they come after us.
I am asking all peace activist to come to the brea anti-war demonstration next weekend and help us hold on to our little corner of resistance and stand up to these ignoratnt fools.
United we Stand! (we can use there little slogans as well)
Please e-mail me if you need any assistance getting there or more info. Lets build a movement and stand in solidarity against the war machine<\/p>\n","contact":"wavemaster500@netscape.net","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Anti-war protestests taken over by pro-war Sean Hanady fans","numcomment":84,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/02\/31246.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":31322,"heading":"Peace protesters","article":"Sorry to bring down your normally high spirits, you little chump. Here's a slogan for you, Give War A Chance!\r\n\r\n","author":"archie","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-25 22:55:43","modified":"2003-02-25 22:55:43","fileurl":""},{"id":31329,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Geez, you sound more like Jugghead than Archie....","author":"KPC","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-25 23:41:45","modified":"2003-02-25 23:41:45","fileurl":""},{"id":31429,"heading":"Disgusted","article":"I cant believe this pro-war stupidity. Stop listening to main stream corporate run media and find other sources of news: nation magazine, progressive, 90.7FM and the like. Get the truth!!!! I am going to do my part to stop this war and stand up with my fellow activists, especially when they are being harassed for speaking the truth and their mind. I'll be there this weekend to show my support!","author":"JC","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-26 09:06:04","modified":"2003-02-26 09:06:04","fileurl":""},{"id":31632,"heading":"it's HANNITY...","article":"...and he's an absolute fucking moron.","author":"Dr. Paul Proteus","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 05:03:20","modified":"2003-02-27 05:03:20","fileurl":""},{"id":31635,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"My brother was on a flight with him a short time ago...I told him he shoulda poked the fucker in the eye....\r\n\r\n..he coulda called it a "pre-emptive" poke...because he knew Sean would eventually be an asshole and say something stupid...there is no reforming this man...","author":"KPC","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 05:10:58","modified":"2003-02-27 05:10:58","fileurl":""},{"id":31660,"heading":"Hannity Show","article":"Sorry but the hannity show is actually next thursday March 6th 12pm at the Redondo Beach preforming arts theater\r\nI think it would be cool to infiltrate the show and and disrupt it . Ya know like those animal rights activist who jump on the runway with signs that say furr sucm. Or like Media Benjamin did at the Pentagon to Rumsfeld. \r\nHe really is a mouth piece for the bush administration who bashes the answer coaliton and the anti-war movement on a daily basis. I guess this means we are getting to him. ","author":"wavemaster","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 06:17:02","modified":"2003-02-27 06:17:02","fileurl":""},{"id":31689,"heading":"Hannity is a rising star","article":"Sean Hannity is a rising star. His best selling book, Let Freedom Ring, is about Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism.\n\nhttp:\/\/search.barnesandnoble.com\/booksearch\/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=2TD1801QUA&isbn=0060514558&itm=1\n\nSean makes a whole lot of sense on the issues of the day. He's hated by liberals because he has their number. They squirm but he nails them every time.","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 13:21:01","modified":"2003-02-27 13:21:01","fileurl":""},{"id":31693,"heading":"jeff","article":""racisist Suv driving, conservative republicans" Oh my god, what an ignorant person. I guess if I was Martin Sheen and driving an SUV it would be ok. Oh I am sorry they do not drive SUV's they ride in Limo's. I guess that is different. \r\nI am not a conservitive or a liberal. Here is my proposal. Let us give Sadam anothe 18 resolutions for him not to comply with. Leave him alone and make him a trading partner. Then at some point when he does this country severe damage I want to listen to the ignorant doves ask whe this administration did nothing to prevent it. Same story, different chapter.\r\n\r\nJeff","author":"Jeff","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 14:39:24","modified":"2003-02-27 14:39:24","fileurl":""},{"id":31699,"heading":"What was that?","article":"What's he going to do, flick bugies at us?","author":"lancer","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 15:56:59","modified":"2003-02-27 15:56:59","fileurl":""},{"id":31752,"heading":"Simple","article":"No, he's going to supply a terrorist like Ramzi Yousef with funding and a passport. Mr. Yousef will travel to the United States on an Iraqi visa, rent a truck, load it with explosives and cyanide gas, and attempt to bring down a skyscraper.\r\n\r\nAlternatively, he could furnish a Mr. Yousef type with a tactical nuke or a dirty bomb or a biological vector.\r\n\r\nAnd when that happens, I suspect it'll be real quiet around this den of traitors.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 21:11:33","modified":"2003-02-27 21:11:33","fileurl":""},{"id":31759,"heading":"Go away","article":"Thanks for the fear-mongering, Dr. Simple Goebbels. Will Herr Bush save me from these swarthy individuals (and business partners)? You think carpet bombing Baghdad is gonna save me from that? Carpet bombing Baghdad and the chaos it will unleash will ENSURE this happening. Speaking of traitors, you, being a stupid fucking war-monkey, are ensuring death and destruction, except, of course, for the Bush cartel, who will be hiding in their little fuhrer bunkers. Hell, why don't you get your fat ass over to my house and dig me one.\r\n\r\nI hold you and your buddies responsible for the past terrorist attacks (no protesters to demonize back then, how inconvenient) and the future ones following this hideous joke of a war (massacre, actually, war involves two armies). \r\n\r\nI imagine the CIA is funding the next blowback in one of the central asian Stans, ruled by your buddies, or maybe Columbia (more of your buddies), even as we speak. ","author":"Samson","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 21:56:29","modified":"2003-02-27 21:56:29","fileurl":""},{"id":31761,"heading":"Simple","article":"Uh, Samson, it's not fear mongering. It's a historical fact. Mr. Ramzi Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi visa in 1993. He then rented a truck and packed it with explosives and cyanide and attempted to demolish the World Trade Center.\r\n\r\nSo not only are you stupid, but your mom dresses you funny.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 21:59:27","modified":"2003-02-27 21:59:27","fileurl":""},{"id":31766,"heading":"Wild","article":"Grasping at straws to stay afloat in your sea of childish\r\nparanoia.\r\nAnd you talk about wacky conspiracy theroies. Your proof?\r\n\r\n","author":"lancer","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:03:48","modified":"2003-02-27 22:03:48","fileurl":""},{"id":31767,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Don't look now, Pvt. Fido, but I think Saddam is in your kitchen eating all your Oreos...\r\n\r\n...my GOD man, when will you stand up to the cookie threat!\r\n\r\nParanoid loon, probably think your own fuckin' shadow is a terra-ist with a nuke....\r\n\r\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!","author":"KPC","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:04:49","modified":"2003-02-27 22:04:49","fileurl":""},{"id":31769,"heading":"No shit Sherlock","article":"Y'know, Simple, it's offensive when you assume that the folk here are as stupid and ignorant as yourself, I mean really. \r\n\r\nNext thing I know, you're gonna explain the Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh to me, or maybe remind me about the Anthrax terrorist. When is Asscroft gonna find your buddy the Anthrax terrorist? Remember, the guy who sent letters to Democratic leaders, full of good old home grown and engineered patriotic anthrax?\r\n\r\nI hold you and the other rightwing traitors resonsible for these attacks on the American people, Simple, remember that.","author":"Samson","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:08:02","modified":"2003-02-27 22:08:02","fileurl":""},{"id":31771,"heading":"Simple","article":"What proof do you have that the Anthrax terrorist was domestic, Attorney General Samson? Golly you're really well informed.\r\n\r\nAnd what the hell does it mean that you hold the Right responsible for the terrorist attacks? Do you mean that the Right's policies have led to the terrorist attacks? Or are you as deluded as Diogenes and think that the RNC and the Freemasons orchestrated the attacks for financial gain? If you are in the first group, it would appear that the terrorists themselves seem to disagree with you. If you are in the second group, you have my sympathies.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:15:29","modified":"2003-02-27 22:15:29","fileurl":""},{"id":31773,"heading":"Simple","article":"It's just too bad there isn't a draft right now for you and your buddies to dodge, all the while cheering on the war of the day. Doesn't that break your heart, Simple? I mean, if there was a draft for you to dodge, you could emulate all of your Chickenhawk heros, like Shrub, Cheney, Rush, Lott, DeLay, Wolfowitz, Perl, Fleischer, and all the other war-monkeys.","author":"Samson","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:18:37","modified":"2003-02-27 22:18:37","fileurl":""},{"id":31777,"heading":"Simple","article":"Hey, Samson, dummy, I'm already in the service, and have been since 1985. So go bark up another tree.\r\n\r\nBut you haven't answered the question. What do you mean by you hold the Right responsible for the terrorist attacks of 11 Sep 01?","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:24:14","modified":"2003-02-27 22:24:14","fileurl":""},{"id":31785,"heading":"You will pay for your crimes","article":"You built the jihad in Afghanistan, biggest CIA project ever. You put bases in Saudi Arabia. You gave Saddam the greenlight to invade Kuwait. You have instituted coup after coup after coup against democratically elected governments around the world, creating rage towards my country. You trained Osama. You propped up Saddam. You run the oil companies. You run the Pentagon. You run the National Security apparatus. You run COINTELPRO. You run MOCKINGBIRD. You created OPERATION PAPER CLIP. You own the media cartels that keep us stupid. You are deploying troops to Columbia. You tried to overthrow Chavez. You create the policies that benefit the rich and fuck the rest of us. You are polluting the air and water. You have single handedly turned world wide sympathy in the aftermath of 9\/11 into world wide fear, mistrust, and scorn. You block any sort of legislation that would ever benefit the bottom 80% of this nation. You block health care reform. You block environmental regulation. You cut funds to the Vets. You cut funds that help children of deploying troops. You cut funds for school lunch programs. You cut funds for libraries. You cut aid to the states when 48 out of 50 are in the worst financial crisis since world war II, thanks to your tax cuts to the rich. You have skyrocketed the national debt to 400 billion. You created the deregulation schemes that have led to wide spread corporate fraud and corruption. Should I go on?","author":"Samson","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:49:46","modified":"2003-02-27 22:49:46","fileurl":""},{"id":31786,"heading":"Section 8","article":"Little boy with a keyboard. This fellow is certainly ready\r\nfor the rubber gun squad.\r\nRight\/Left, utter crap. You're confused and angry. We understand. ","author":"lancer","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:51:42","modified":"2003-02-27 22:51:42","fileurl":""},{"id":31788,"heading":"Section 8","article":"Not you Samson, the 'solder' on the keyboard thirsting for\r\nblood.","author":"lancer","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:56:18","modified":"2003-02-27 22:56:18","fileurl":""},{"id":31789,"heading":"Samson","article":"The military cut taxes?\r\n\r\n","author":"How do you tie it all together?","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-27 22:57:20","modified":"2003-02-27 22:57:20","fileurl":""},{"id":31808,"heading":"Simple","article":"For Samson, So that he will understand:\r\n\r\n1.The \u2018Jihad\u2019 in Afghanistan was called by Islamic fundamentalists opposed to the SOVIET INVASION. Remember that? It was on the TV. I\u2019m sure you watch a lot of TV. Yes we funded the Mujahedeen, and it was a good decision to do so. How does funding them and arming them have anything to do with September 11, 2001? Their religious fundamentalism is certainly not our creation, and they didn\u2019t launch Stingers at the WTC or the Pentagon. In fact, none of the hijackers were old enough to have been Mujahedeen fighters, nor were they Afghans.\r\n\r\n2.The bases in Saudi Arabia were put there to enable us to deal with the small problem of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Again, it was on TV. The Saudis said it was Ok by them to build the bases, and these bases enabled us to liberate Kuwait. I guess you don\u2019t think that was a good idea, huh?\r\n\r\n3.There is no question that the United States has been involved in coups in various countries. There was a cold war on, and we were playing to win. Which we did.\r\n\r\n4.Osama was trained as a Mujahedeen. What he later did is on his own head. If Diogenes was trained by the Army, but then goes on to be a weak-kneed apologist for fascist murderers its not the Army\u2019s fault. It\u2019s his own.\r\n\r\n5.We used Saddam as a bulwark against the Iranian Islamic Revolution \u2013 and were very successful. Iran spent thousands of lives and millions of dollars fighting the Iraqis, and this stymied the spread of militant Islam. One shudders to think what the Iranians could have achieved if they had been allowed to use all their riches and all their disciples in pursuit of a greater Islamic Republic.\r\n\r\n6.The Pentagon and the National Security apparatus protect our country, and has a nearly spotless record of doing so. They even protect traitorous snakes.\r\n\r\n7.The oil companies are run by the Right? All of them? What about the one that Al Gore owns a majority of? Is Al Gore on the Right now? Don\u2019t you guys want him any more?\r\n\r\n8.Colombia is in the grip of a Communist insurgency allied to Narcoterrorists. It is our duty to oppose and eradicate these animals. Or do you like non-democratically elected organized crime figures running things? You from Chicago? Or Massachusetts?\r\n\r\n9.Chavez is a Castro lite. The people of Venezuela have had enough of this \u2018populist\u2019. Soon he will lie in a shallow grave covered with quicklime. Death to Communists.\r\n\r\n10.I have no knowledge of COINTELPRO, MOCKINGBIRD, or PAPERCLIP. And that\u2019s my final answer.\r\n\r\n11.The Right owns the media cartels? Only in Indymedia is Ted freaking Turner a member of the Right. And I don\u2019t think you need any help staying stupid.\r\n\r\n12.The policies that benefit the rich and fuck the rest of us. Hmm, care to spell them out? KPC once made a similar stupid claim, and went off to sulk after much cursing. Best of luck.\r\n\r\n13.The Right is polluting the air and water? Really. Any evidence to back up this accusation? Is the Right pushing old folks in front of trains as well?\r\n\r\n14.The sympathy of the World is not something we aspire to achieve. National security and the welfare of our citizens are paramount. If a small minority of European nations, who trade heavily with the Iraqi regime, are opposed to our policies, so be it. The vast majority of European nations are in our camp.\r\n\r\n15.Give me examples of where the Right has opposed helping the bottom 80% of wage earners in the US. The tax cut that the President provided helped all taxpayers. But I suppose you just spent your refund check and forgot who provided it to you.\r\n\r\n16.Health care reform. Do you mean Socialized medicine? Absolutely we are opposed. If you want to reform health care, then stand up for Tort reform. The cost of malpractice insurance is driving doctors from the profession, and raises costs everywhere.\r\n\r\n17.Environmental regulation. Again, provide me examples. Or are you referring to the ridiculous Kyoto protocols? If you are, then count me proud to oppose.\r\n\r\n18.I don\u2019t know where you\u2019re getting your information, but the funds to vets and children of deploying troops are more generous than ever. The Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act provides handsomely for the deploying soldier.\r\n\r\n19.School Lunches and Libraries are normally funded through the States. Are you saying that the Left would fund school lunches and libraries better than the Right? Why don\u2019t you look at historical examples? Michigan \u2013 before Gov. Engler and during his tenure. New York City \u2013 before Mayor Guliani and during his tenure. Massachusetts \u2013 before Governor Weld and during his tenure. Wisconsin \u2013 before Governor Thompson and during his tenure. The Right straightens out the mess that the Left makes, restores financial stability and provides a higher level of service to the citizen. The Left gives away the farm and then fees the citizen to death with extra taxes to pay for pet projects.\r\n\r\n20.The condition of the States is much of their own doing. California, for example, is a one-party political system which lavishly spends and will now reap the whirlwind of fleeing corporations, inflation, higher taxes and lower services. The reason? Because the LEFT spent itself into a hole, botched deregulation of the energy market, botched the electricity crisis fix, and re-elected a known politician-on-the-take. But what else would we expect from the Party that gave us Bill Clinton?\r\n\r\n21.The national debt is increasing because we have to repair the damage that eight years of neglect by a Leftist President has done to our National Security apparatus. We have to pay for tanks and bullets and bombs.\r\n\r\n22.This deregulation you speak of, when did it occur, and when did the wide spread fraud and corruption take place? The Enron pyramid collapsed only 18 months after President Bush took office. Are you saying that the moment Bush became President all these companies suddenly decided to change their accounting procedures? They switched all their accountants over to \u2018evil\u2019? No, son, the scandals are part and parcel of the 90\u2019s \u2013 the real decade of greed, presided over by the worst President of our time \u2013 Bill Clinton.\r\n\r\n23.Yes, please do go on. Swatting these birdies is easier than badminton.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 00:04:33","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:43","fileurl":""},{"id":31810,"heading":"no","article":"the right cut taxes, making everyone not benefiting from these cuts suffer, including veterans. have you ever wondered, my good man, why every president (regardless of party) since eisenhower has increased the militaryy budget ahead of inflation and yet every generation of vets since wwII has got a worse deal? the cost of living increace for disabled vets pay checks is a mere shadow of what congress votes as increaces to the military brass and pentagon bueracrats. that's right, i said "pentagon bueracrats." $350 billion\/yr is the worlds biggest buerocracy. the right supports this, and yet calls itself libertarian. for shame.\r\n\r\nit never ceases to amaze me that folks like these counter demonstrating in brea say they "support the troops" when its the anti war demonstrators that know of the experimentation this government does to its troops, or about depleted uranium dust they knowingly expose them to, or how they treat vets who lose part of themselves in war. mabey its because anti war demonstrators are more concious of the homeless that we are the ones that realize such a large portion of those poor people living on the streets of downtown la are veterans that can't even afford one of those shallow plastic made in china flags that the right so proudly displays from thier suvs.\r\nsupport the troops? go to www.gulfwarvets.com and volunteer and leave the demonstrators trying to bring our boys home alone!","author":"josh","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 00:06:16","modified":"2003-02-28 00:06:16","fileurl":""},{"id":31813,"heading":"PEACE though CONTAINMENT","article":"Mr. Zealot \r\nPark the SUV ,get off your fat ass ,grab the family and you and the clan go fight this war ,You leave your blood and your childrens blood, in Iraq..........................\r\nBut...not me, not my son nor my brothers or sisters will fight this dirty war for "power ,oil and money"\r\nAnyone that uses the slogan "Give war a chance" is obviously a pathetic fascist sociopath\r\n","author":"C Garcia","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 00:15:10","modified":"2003-02-28 00:15:10","fileurl":""},{"id":31814,"heading":"Simple","article":"Didn't retards like you call for the lifting of the 'inhuman' UN sanctions just 12 months ago? Now they are a-o-k with you? Are you double jointed? A switch like that has got to make your neck hurt.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 00:21:38","modified":"2003-02-28 00:21:38","fileurl":""},{"id":31819,"heading":"A COALITON OF THE BRIBED","article":"It's funny how the media talks about the many countries who will join us in a coaliton of the willing. President Bush hails countries like Italy, Spain and England as having the courage to stand up to the evil ones. 90 percent of the people in all these countries who are informed with actual news instead of just government propaganda, are against this war of hypocrasy. Whats even a bigger joke is how they have to bribe the Turkish Government to use their land for a northern invasion. Is it just me or is a democracy a government who listens to public opion. This administration is an empire not a democracy, and we fight the corporate media's lies and take our government back from these facisists war mongers!","author":"wavemaster","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 00:46:44","modified":"2003-02-28 00:46:44","fileurl":""},{"id":31852,"heading":""SHOW ME THE MONEY"","article":"What a laugh !!! \r\nCoalition of the Willing!!!!\r\nIt's really called......intimidation ,bribery,manipulation of the Coalition "isn't that against the law"\r\nAfter all, it's George\r\nThe shrub, is spending our money as if , it were his own ..making promises that he can't keep......\r\nWhile our economy is tanking ....more homeless ,health care is going through the cieling But ,we have the best military.......\r\n\r\nAREN'T YOU FUCKING MAD!!!!!!!!\r\n\r\nif I were the "so called" Allies I'd get the money up front ","author":"C.Garcia","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 04:18:43","modified":"2003-02-28 04:18:43","fileurl":""},{"id":31854,"heading":"I must protest..","article":"In protest to your rabid crack fueled tyrade, I am boycotting your taco truck. ","author":"BonScott'sBarfbag","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 04:24:52","modified":"2003-02-28 04:24:52","fileurl":""},{"id":31856,"heading":"counter=counter=counter=counter protest","article":"I'm sorry but I don't get the point of the original post. Are you suggesting that it's not OK for others to disagree with you and voice their opinions? Many protesters take pride in 'getting in your face' to many others. Now that these others have gotten in your face, you protest them, who were protesting you, when you were protesting. All of this protesting is really something. Be thankful that you do not live in Iraq or other countries where this would not be possible. \r\n\r\nOther matters, I have found the vast right wing conspiracy at http:\/\/www.thevrwc.org ... perhaps its not hannity that's pulling the strings after all?","author":"Sandy","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-28 04:41:41","modified":"2003-02-28 04:41:41","fileurl":""},{"id":31857,"heading":""They gave us the bird"","article":"Good lord man! The inhumanity.","author":"fresca","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-28 04:46:06","modified":"2005-08-15 01:13:04","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/war.jpgyj9rrv.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/war.jpgyj9rrv.jpg"}},{"id":31988,"heading":"I think its good","article":"I think it's good to have the right and left talk things out (or maybe the anarchists and the liberatarians). Protests and counters-protests are great news, they allow the sharing of ideas and the forming of new ideas. I am anti-war, I am an anarchist, but I have become so talking to people, listening to their ideas. The call of the article is suggesting disrupting the pro-war meeting and propaganda, like they did ours (counter protests and riot cops), I say fairs, fair, but lets have a rally for truth neither pro-war, or anti-war, and just discuss the issues, exchange flyers and such. That would be fair more productive than an anti-war, pro-war rally.","author":"me","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-01 01:36:11","modified":"2003-03-01 01:36:11","fileurl":""},{"id":32053,"heading":"Truism","article":""Taking a strong stand publicizes the opposite position"\r\nfrom Jenny Holzer's "Truisms"\r\n\r\nthanks Sean!","author":"Dr. Paul Proteus","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-01 09:04:02","modified":"2003-03-01 09:04:02","fileurl":""},{"id":32143,"heading":"Pretzel-boy","article":"George Bush fainted after eating a Pretzel. How does that work? I guess only someone as stupid as Bush could accomplish that.\r\n\r\nPerhaps the US military could drop Pretzels on Afghanistan. Maybe Omar or bin Laden would suffer the same fate!\r\n\r\nWe could try this on Saddam too. Let's tell Tony Blair about this idea... It may save a lot of money by sending over Pretzels instead of Troops.\r\n","author":"Peter James Kenyon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-01 22:19:40","modified":"2003-03-01 22:19:40","fileurl":""},{"id":32146,"heading":"SIMPLETON SIMON","article":"So "Simpleton Simon" sez he has no knowledge of COINTELPRO or Operation PAPERCLIP (bringing Bazis into the US following WWII), and "that's that," so to speak. Well, such stupidity -- or is it ignorance or both? -- qualifies him to be a Republican. Yep, the old "Don't confuse my fragile little mind with facts, it's made up, and thinking is too hard and hurts too much."\r\n\r\nIf this is the quality of our militatry minds we can expect a lot of Neanderthal casualties as soon as they get their asses shipped to Iraq. The sooner the better, I s'pose...\r\n---\r\nIf I hear that "liberal media" bullcrap one more time, I'll lose my mind. *BOOM!* Too late.\r\nOW! I can't see. I can't hear. I can't think.\r\nGuess I'll have to become a Republican now...\r\n","author":"Peter James Kenyon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-01 22:38:06","modified":"2003-03-01 22:38:06","fileurl":""},{"id":32387,"heading":"just came back","article":"just got back from brea. \r\na few observations:\r\n\r\n1) there are ignorant people on both sides. one of the things i didnt like about the brea protest when i went to it a few months ago was the way protestors would shout, "fuck you" back to the hostile cars. i protest peacfully, but i didnt say anything cuz i figured, "hey, it's thier demo." but when i talked to chris, the guy who started the counter demonstration, he said that was one of the things that made him decide to come out. i also heard about all of the... altercations from last week from both sides and i gotta say doesnt sound like a lot of saints at this intersection. when i went over with a few folks to a solidly pro-war corner we were almost run into the street and really the reason i had crossed was to engage some of these folks in dialogue. just like some on the peace side, there was just no speaking with some of these people. they video taped me and got right in my face with thier flags trying to block my sign and as the kept screaming and i was being civil, one of them had the balls to say to his buddy, "stop confronting him, it's what he wants."\r\n\r\n2) surprise! some dialogue was possible. i got many of these pro war people thinking about how shitty the government treats it's servicemen. i said if you say you support the troops by supporting the job they're doing, and we say we support them cuz we want them home, we're both hippocrytes to invoke the name of the troops in the first place cuz we're doing nothing about the homeless vets, noything about the experimental vaccines, nothing about depleted uranium or vet's shrinking benefits in the midst of military budgetary increase. i was sick of hearing all the pro war people say, "support our troops!" and all the antiwar people saying, "we do, bring them home!" it wasnt about the troops at all. its prowar\/antiwar. period. the troops are just an icon both sides are trying to use. the bottom line is that our armed forces treat our boys like guinea pigs and then leave them high and dry. every generation since wwII has got a worse deal. this is incorrigable, and i got a lot of these right wingers thinking on that, i think.\r\n\r\n3)a quick interchange:\r\ni was about to cross a corner and saw a lady about to cross with me with a "god bless usa" (i assume the other side side "and fuck everyone else") sign saying to her friend, "they're all just so ignorant." i advised her that's incorrect, that i don't see myself as ignorant. i told her about the many right wing publications i read such as national review and american conservative and new republic. i let her know there is a large contingent of right wingers opposed to military action in iraq if for nothing else the financial implications. i advised the conservative libertarian oc register has weekly editorials denouncing unilateralist intervention. i said to her mabey she didnt know of such columnists on the right as pat buchanon and george will who have serious misgivings about this impending war. i then suggested we find a pen so i could write a few of these publications and\/or thier websites down for her. she responded, "well, you know, i just think that you and everyone who feels the way you do should just go to iraq and never come back."\r\nand I'M ignorant?\r\n\r\n4) we need more people there. i dont want confrontation, but they need to be outnumbered to the point where they give up. i wasnt there to do anything more than represent for peace. im glad i started some dialogues, but let's get down to business. everyone who was there today, come back next sat with two friends and get there early.","author":"josh","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 01:02:17","modified":"2003-03-03 01:02:17","fileurl":""},{"id":32651,"heading":"Yesterday in Brea","article":"Yesterday in Brea, Behind the Orange Curtain (03\/01\/02)\r\n\r\nWe went to the intersection of Imperial and Brea yesterday after hearing that that asshole Sean Hannity had been mustering his stooges to counter the anti-war,anti-Bush demonstrators. we got there just after 12, and there was already quite a crowd.\r\n\r\nAt first it was the usual pro-Bush, pro-war sycophants. Now, the first thing that was obvious was that these were no spontasneous demonstrators. No, they were operatives. How do we know this?--simple. They had professionally-made "Bush-Cheney" posters and professionally-made MIA flags and brand spankin' new American flags. There were some over the course of the day with hand-made signs, but it's obvious that we're dealing mostly with "professionals" here, people who are paid or have their expenses met to counter us opposing the Smirking Schmuck. They aren't to be taken seriously.\r\n\r\nBut generally, over the course of three and a half hours, it was mutually cordial. Sure, there were taunts, and jibes, and heckling, but both sides --and over the course of the day it was pretty evenly divided, 50\/50 -- tolerated each other pretty well, and were cotnent to show off thei signs to passing motorists.\r\n\r\nExcept for one asshole -- a real jerk, pro-war butt-head, who took on an ant-war vet -- he was the exception. And it was obvious that he didn't know shit from Shinola about "war" -- he'd never been shown a severed arm in a body-bag and been asked to identify it as a Marine or not. One time he yelled at the other guy, "You're a Marxist!!" -- as if that's a BIG INSULT! -- and I chimed in, "WHOA! THE 'M' WORD!" Another time he yelled, "You're a communist!" -- and I chimed in, "Communists have better grass!" Both times he ignore me and just lit into the ex-Marine. Funny, he realy seemed to want to punch the guy, but he was a little twerp and the vet was 6-foot-7 and 260 lb. Finally he took his sorry ass across the street.\r\n\r\n[The vet pointed out a big arc skid-mark on the sidewalk, still there from a week ago, where, he said, three young skinhead punks tried to ram him last week with their car, going up on the curb a good two-feet-plus at the widest spot of the mark. He related how they then got out of their car and approached him saying, "We're going to kick your ass!" He said that he had told hem, "Fine." And when the tallest came up to him, he reached up to the guys sternum. Needless to say the punks didn't carry out their threat.]\r\n\r\nOver the course of the day, the make-up of each contingent on each corner changed. Sometimes a corner would be all-pro-Bush, then all-anti-war, then mixed, then something else. Two anti-war guys with plastic buckets and makeshift drumsticks kept the energy up. Their chops wre pretty hot, too. I noticed they used mostly triple meter.\r\n\r\nMost of the (hand-made) anti-war signs were predictable, such as "NO WAR," but there were some good original ones too -- a mock-up doll's head morphing Bush into Satan, a mock-up thousand-dollar bill with Smirk as its icon, and signs such as "BUSH _IS_ A MORON," "IMPEACHMENT TIME!!!" and "FOX NEWS BLOWS RHINOS!"\r\n\r\nWe got a few assholes flipping us off, especially old people who will be dead soon (haw haw!), but I was really amazed at the sheer number of people in support of the anti-war side. Lots of waves, horns honked, and peace signs (someone, thoughn, ought to tell the Mexican lady that the way she did it is French for "fuck you!"). Of course, the pro-Bush people got a lot of honked horns too, especially from truck drivers.\r\n\r\nChannel 7 KABC sent out a lone cameraman.\r\n\r\nAt one point, some guy with a professional "Bush\/Cheney" sign yelled at me, "Hey, the '70s rocked, the '60s sucked!" (how can ANYONE think the '70s rocked??), and I said back to him, "The '60s ruled!" and then I pointed to a hand-made "Love it or Leave it!" sign and said, "That takes me back to 1969!"\r\n\r\nTo sum it all up, it was a good day for the First Amendment for both sides. It's obviousd that the anti-war people are dedicated and spontaneously demonstrating their feelings and taking their own time to come out, while the pro-Bush people are about half-and-half the same kind of decicated people and professional bodies who aren't worth taken seriously. And this is in Orange County!! Oh, and the pro-Bush people made sure they got us on the the side on camera and video.\r\n\r\n","author":"Peter James Kenyon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 18:14:00","modified":"2003-03-03 18:14:00","fileurl":""},{"id":32657,"heading":"X","article":""All of them waving flags and signs that said kill Sadam and remember 9-11"\r\n\r\nThis PROVES my point about the psyche of American pro-war advocates. This whole Saddam war is a paranoid knee-jerk reaction to 9-11. All they want is blood spilled for those killed in 9-11. What the fuck does Saddam have to do with 9-11?\r\n\r\nOh Oh I forget he and Osama have sex regularly and he gives Osama millions of dollars in funding. He also paid for the airline tickets of the 9-11 terrorists and provided them with daily meals from denny's.\r\n\r\nWhat the fuck? such stupid redneck bbq right wing conservative american bloodlust. fuckin animals i tell you. savages they are. all they want is steak and death. motivated by greed they are. MONEY MONEY MONEY for me, death to those "damn islams"!. Fuck saddam go USA, can u imagine them "yeeeeeeeeah MIKE! I'M WITH YOU ON THIS ONE. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!\r\n\r\nYOOH ESSS A! YOOH ESSS A!\r\n REMEMBER 9-11 FUCK SADDAM AND THOSE DAMN ISLAMS"\r\n\r\nfuckin savage animals man. murderers. common greedy ass criminals. these are the kinds of people who would kill their own dogs for steak if the world ran out of cattle. assholes. bloodthirsty mufuckin savages they are.","author":"X","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 18:22:58","modified":"2003-03-03 18:22:58","fileurl":""},{"id":32658,"heading":"X","article":"btw the two fingers in v sign with ur fingernails facing the person\r\n\r\nis ENGLISH\r\n\r\nfor fuck you.\r\n\r\nit spread to the french but the ENGLISH were the first people to use it.\r\n\r\nI bet you've been to Europe once so now you can say you're all "cultured:" and such an "international" person.\r\n\r\nshut the fuck up bitch","author":"X","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 18:25:33","modified":"2003-03-03 18:25:33","fileurl":""},{"id":32664,"heading":"X","article":"Fuck off, you faggot!","author":"X","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 19:02:01","modified":"2003-03-03 19:02:01","fileurl":""},{"id":32666,"heading":"AdolphPastrami catches the image of LOONS so well!","article":"Yes, another reichwingbot crawled out from under a garden stone to remind us all about Neanderthal life in America..\r\n.I never thought for a moment in 1969-70 that over thirty years later, the effect we had on these morons would be so lasting.\r\nThey're still foaming at the mouth!\r\nBWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!\r\nThis is what makes the Loon Right at once so funny yet so dangerous.\r\n","author":"P.J. Kenyon","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 19:49:15","modified":"2003-03-03 19:49:15","fileurl":""},{"id":32679,"heading":"hey pete","article":"i ended up talking to a couple guys who had bush\/cheney posters. i told them about new republic's (another right wing publication) cover story, "the september tenth president" about how all of bush's tax cuts should be going to states in serious financial trouble especiallyi n the area of attack preparidness. it stated police, fire and emergency response are in sad shape and the bush administration squanders fiunds on an ineffectual color system, a homeland security reviasal seen as ineffectual and a burning, expensive obsession with iraq. i asked them, "what about that? what if we're not prepared for what might be coming and too preoccupied with this war?" the one guy replied, "hey, i'm not pro-bush, i'm anti-iraq." "oh," i said. "you confused me with the whole bush\/cheney sign."\r\n\r\n"well, it's the only one i could find," he retorted. then he added, "uh, look... i gotta go." and he and his buddy took thier bush signs and went home.\r\n\r\ni highly advise everyone to read some right wing propaganda before showing up next week. besides getting knowing the counter-arguments which is always healthy, they also give you great ammunition to use against these people.","author":"josh","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 20:22:42","modified":"2003-03-03 20:22:42","fileurl":""},{"id":32681,"heading":"X","article":"fuck off you faggot!\r\ngay liberal asshole!","author":"X","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 20:44:53","modified":"2003-03-03 20:44:53","fileurl":""},{"id":32724,"heading":"A fact!","article":"Ever since I can remember,I've lived on a farm with our horses. Horses have\r\nalways been the best friends in my life because I don't usually get to go\r\nout much because of all the farm work.\r\n\r\nToday,I'm going to tell you about an incredible experience I had with one\r\nof our best horses...and my best friend at that...Swift.\r\n\r\nWe called him Swift because he was very fast and he looked amazing when he\r\ngalloped in the wind with his mane flying everywhere...he's gorgeous,has a\r\nbrown fur,and has huge blue eyes.\r\n\r\nI was alone in the barn and had finished cleaning out all the stalls except\r\nfor Swift's. I wanted our moment together to be just right.\r\n\r\nI took off all my clothes,folded them neatly and put them in the tack room.\r\nMy body shook as I approached the horse's stall but I managed to open the\r\ndoor and shut it behind me.\r\n\r\nAs Swift had never seen me naked before,this was a little bit of a shock to\r\nhim and he came over to me immediately sniffing me with his soft nose. That\r\ntickled,I thought to myself.\r\n\r\nHe sniffed me all over and then he let out a lick to my face with his\r\nbig,soft tongue. Ooh,did that feel good. I sat down and spread my legs. He\r\ncontinued licking me with his warm big tongue and going up and down my\r\nbelly cleaning me up. I was in heaven,being naked with a horse and in\r\naddition to that,he was giving me a tongue bath! Things went up a notch\r\nthough when Swift came to my penis and balls and gave them a lick.\r\n\r\nI went into an erection and almost cummed right there. But I held back and\r\nenjoyed the moment for as long as possible.The horse continued his swift\r\nmotions of licking up and down my shaft and balls coating me with his\r\nsaliva until I couldn't take it anymore and cummed! Some got all me and\r\nSwift's face.\r\n\r\nThis seemed to give Swift some sort of message because the next thing he\r\ndid was well...let me put this way,it was hot all of a sudden. Laying down\r\nenjoy- ing the feeling of being spent I didn't realize what was happening\r\nuntil I felt this tinkle on my forehead. I looked up and all of a sudden a\r\nshower of horse piss flowed from Swift's penis right all over my body and\r\ninto my mouth!\r\n\r\nNot wanting to scare the poor horse,I let him have his way and opened my\r\nmouth letting the piss poor in. The taste wasn't as horrible as I thought\r\nit was so I swallowed as much as I could get in. As the piss continued to\r\nflow, I found myself aroused by the smell of the piss itself and then let\r\nit flow all over my body getting my all wet. The horse then stopped\r\nsuddenly making me sigh.\r\n\r\nI got an idea just then and licked his giant penis up and down his shaft\r\nlike a dog. I then proceed to rubbing his balls to please him which he give\r\na whin- ny at. I continued my tongue massage on his shaft when I reached up\r\nand felt under his tail. He seemed to like that so I got out from\r\nunderneath him and went behind his ass.\r\n\r\nI then proceeded to lift up his tail and gazed at his gorgeous ass hole. It\r\nwas black and almost clean as a whistle. Not wanting to make this horse\r\nwait, I massage his enormous ass checks and then kissing the ass hole on\r\nthis horse. The horse back up into me wanting more, so I did so continuing\r\nto kiss and lick his asshole reaching in my tongue as far as possible and\r\ntasting his shit which was amazingly not that bad either. With that, the\r\nhorse let out a fart and I sniffed it in sighing with content. I couldn't\r\nhold in any longer...I had to do it with this horse!\r\n\r\nSeemingly sensing my desire, Swift lay on the ground for me so I could mate\r\nwith him. Taking this opportunity,I lifted the tail and poked my penis at\r\nhis hole pumping in and out slowly until he let me penis all the way in.\r\nWith that, I humped and humped into the horse's shit filled ass until I\r\ncame too and spewed my seed into him. I sighed and took my horse shit\r\ncovered penis out of his ass.\r\n\r\nI fell backward,sighing with content. I looked up and saw Swift's penis\r\nerect again. Looks like I not done just yet!\r\n","author":"Josh","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-03 22:44:08","modified":"2003-03-03 22:44:08","fileurl":""},{"id":32887,"heading":"anyway...","article":"i'm flattered i'm obviously smart enough that instead of counter-posting and debating, people who respond to me have to forge my signature on animal porn. very classy. \r\nif anyone would like to respond to my real posts with real dialogue i'll be here. if you want to be like the ignorant ones in brea, keep posting farm porn. im so glad im on the right side...","author":"josh","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-04 16:19:58","modified":"2003-03-04 16:19:58","fileurl":""},{"id":32955,"heading":"Mr.","article":"I'm a veteran and my younger brother is in kuait as I write the message "freedom isn't free" The only reason you can protest on your little corner is because of patriots who fought and died for you. Do you think you could do your little protest over in Iraq? Lets give the Iraq people a chance to live free like we do.","author":"Brian Lancaster","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 02:47:55","modified":"2003-03-05 02:47:55","fileurl":""},{"id":32956,"heading":"Brian Lancaster wants to free Iraqi souls from Iraqi bodies","article":"You're a bit confused, Brian, about how we Americans\r\nwon our freedom. It wasn't from some emperial power\r\ndropping bombs on us, destroying our power and water\r\nsupplies and then installing General Tommy Franks\r\nto rule over us. Perhaps all that depleted Uranium\r\nyou were exposed to has affected your mind.\r\n ","author":"truth teller","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 02:54:00","modified":"2003-03-05 02:54:00","fileurl":""},{"id":32957,"heading":"Listen carefully","article":"We don't need it. Not here.\r\nWe ARE standing in FRONT of our beloved\r\ncountry and people. You are in OUR way.","author":"sheepdog","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 02:56:49","modified":"2003-03-05 02:56:49","fileurl":""},{"id":32962,"heading":"I'm talking about 1776, you cretin","article":"Americans fought for their freedom. Now murderous scum like you and Brian Lancaster want to murder\r\nIraqis, supposedly to free them. But but trying to reason\r\nwith cretins filled with blood lust, raised on video games,\r\nis pretty hopeless, I guess.\r\n","author":"truth teller","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 03:22:33","modified":"2003-03-05 03:22:33","fileurl":""},{"id":33008,"heading":"We rebelled against the British","article":"The comparison is between Saddam and King George III,\r\ndumb fuck.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":31246,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 05:28:28","modified":"2003-03-05 05:28:28","fileurl":""},{"id":33340,"heading":"brea peace vigil","article":"\r\n