{"article":{"id":29557,"heading":"Hollwood Blvd. aerial shot","author":"Tony","created":"2003-02-17 19:14:21","modified":"2005-08-15 01:11:22","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:11:22","article":"

Hollwood Blvd. aerial shot<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"AP photo \r\n","numcomment":30,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_aerial.jpg","filesize":"27.4 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2003\/02\/29557.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_aerial.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_aerial.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":29562,"heading":"Hollwood Blvd. *another* aerial shot","article":"Here's an even more panoramic view (from the LA times: http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/nationworld\/world\/la-021503protest_la_gallery,1,1514640.photogallery?coll=la%2Dhome%2Dheadlines&index=17).\r\n\r\nWith the imaging technology we have today, I can't help but think that you could get a reasonably accurate count from these pics.","author":"Leon","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 19:26:18","modified":"2005-08-15 01:11:22","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_feb_15.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_feb_15.jpg"}},{"id":29578,"heading":"Police are stunned!","article":"~~~~ I worked logistics and harmony-keeping for the demo...was terrific!...labor leaders (Miguel Contreras of County Federation of Labor, John Perez, President of UTLA -United Teachers\/Los Angeles) lots of religious and community folks plus Martin Sheen, Angelica Huston, Gore Vidal, Rob Reiner, B. Baldwin, Mike Farrell and scores of others...BUT one of the strongest moments came when children packed the stage in solidarity with the children of Iraq, asking for no bombing of the Iraqi children.....I'm posting here to explain that the Hollywood Blvd march was so long and so packed, LAPD begin forcing the end of the march onto the sidewalks, claiming the streets had been closed too long...a violation of our permit! That's something we have to follow up on.... don white~~~~","author":"Don White","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 20:51:30","modified":"2003-02-17 20:51:30","fileurl":""},{"id":29678,"heading":"Photogrammetry","article":"Find a much higher-resolution photo that shows one typical block on Hollywood Blvd. Using Photoshop, project a grid over that block in the proper perspective. Carefully count one square, then count grid squares and multiply to determine what one block is capable of holding.\r\n\r\nYou need a pretty hi-res photo or people fuse together and you end up counting just the light shirts, big hats, etc.\r\n\r\nThen count blocks and multiply again. Make appropriate corrections for places where blocks might run together.\r\n\r\nThese demonstrations have become so large that you are guaranteed a low count doing it this way. Even if someone watches the whole thing and counts rows going by a single spot in the street, as opposed to looking at photos later, you miss people who hung out in side streets, dropped out early, or came late for the rally.\r\n\r\nOne reason cop counts tend to be way low, though not the only one.\r\n\r\nActually these demos have all hit critical mass and the only really relevant crowd count is FU*KING INCREDIBLE!\r\n\r\n","author":"Guglielmo Marconi","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 01:08:55","modified":"2003-02-18 01:08:55","fileurl":""},{"id":29697,"heading":"Sour Grapes eh BA?","article":"The millions that turned out rather lay the lie to "massive support" for this War of Conquest.\r\n\r\nThree Cheers for the Clarions of Peace.\r\n\r\nHumanity won a victory this day.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 02:06:12","modified":"2003-02-18 02:06:12","fileurl":""},{"id":29764,"heading":"Please post the LA Times photo mentioned in a previous comment.","article":"Need help from someone. \r\n\r\nAbout the LA Times photo mentioned and posted in a previous comment. \r\n http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/news\/nationworld\/world\/la-021503protest_la_gallery,1,1514640.photogallery?coll=la%2Dhome%2Dheadlines&index=17). \r\n\r\nOverhead shots are priceless. Please tell out-of-towners like myself how long the march route was and whether it was all filled in. \r\n\r\nWhere did people end up? Was that filled in at the same time as the march route?\r\n\r\nGive exact street names of intersections for the beginning and end of the march. MapQuest.com can be used to figure out the exact march length. ","author":"eco man","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 05:57:56","modified":"2003-02-18 05:57:56","fileurl":""},{"id":29770,"heading":"Please post a MapQuest.com map or other map of the march route.","article":"Oops. In the previous comment title of mine it should have been written \r\n\r\n"please EXPLAIN the LA Times photo mentioned in a previous comment."\r\n\r\nAlso, a street map helps tremendously. \r\n\r\nFor example; here is a compilation of links to overhead photos, and combined with the links is a street map. About the Jan 18 2003 San Francisco peace march\/rally: \r\nhttp:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/cannabisaction\/message\/669\r\n","author":"eco man","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 06:25:07","modified":"2003-02-18 06:25:07","fileurl":""},{"id":29774,"heading":"Wow!","article":"These aerials are incredible. I'm not sure how they can ignore this, although they did have Bushie away at Camp David this weekend...","author":"c71898","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 06:42:00","modified":"2003-02-18 06:42:00","fileurl":""},{"id":29777,"heading":"C'mon","article":"More people bought eminem records this weekend then were at the march. It's meaningless. Just read the discrediting signs. Do you honestly think anyone takes this seriously?","author":"fresca","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 06:48:00","modified":"2003-02-18 06:48:00","fileurl":""},{"id":29783,"heading":"yawn","article":"fresca, go back to shooting bunny rabbits.","author":"Xenia","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 07:15:32","modified":"2003-02-18 07:15:32","fileurl":""},{"id":29824,"heading":"cy'mon","article":"Yes. Smart people take 13 million worldwide protestors<\/a> in a single day seriously.","author":"FluxRostrum","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 12:22:20","modified":"2003-02-18 12:22:20","fileurl":""},{"id":29875,"heading":"map of the march route.","article":"This is the best I will do eco man. From memory:\r\n\r\nAt Hollywood and Vine, march straight down Hollywood to La Brea (West?, North?), hang a louie, and one small block later, hang another louie onto Hawthorn, march down Hawthorn to Highland, turn right and march a half city block to Sunset, take a right and march, um, a few block more. I'm not sure exactly where the stage was, a few block past Sunset and Orange anyway.\r\n\r\nThe aerial shots are looking at the march as it streaches down Hollywood towards Vine. Probably from right around La Brea. I *think* the yellow tower with the pointy green roof is Highland.\r\n\r\nI was grumbling a bit about the length or the march (why not just turn down Highland?), but it seems anything shorter and we could not have posed for the group shot as well. My bad.\r\n\r\nOf course it turns out that it was "meaningless" and no one "takes this seriously", so never mind. The only thing worthy of being taken serously are "pundits" screaming lies on network TV and radio, and the trolls who emulate them on message boards.\r\n","author":"Leon","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 00:10:19","modified":"2003-02-19 00:10:19","fileurl":""},{"id":29981,"heading":"Madmen in DC","article":"How can Bush & Co. ignore what is going on--millions (tens of millions?) of people, worldwide, taking to the streets to say "No war on Iraq!"? Any sane leader of a democracy would not ignore this. Said leader would either re-evaulate his position or make a strong case for military action to his public and to the world.\r\n\r\nFrom the TV news comments coming out of DC during\/after the protests, it is clear that Bush & Co. cannot take in negative feedback. They are so focused on their own little schemes that they consider the rest of us irrelevant. This is symptomatic of:\r\n\r\nA) The tyrannical leaders of a rogue nation.\r\n\r\nand\/or\r\n\r\nB) Narcissistic personality disorder--a severe mental disease with little hope of any cure.\r\n\r\nI will give the (undeserved) benefit of the doubt to Bush & Co., and let (A) slide for the time being. This leaves us with "leaders" who are so locked into their own shared delusions that they are no longer dealing with the real world. Their demonstrate that their reality testing is severely challenged. We are being governed by madmen (and women)--or by tyrants.\r\n\r\nEither way, it doesn't look good.\r\n\r\n","author":"Elderbear","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 01:41:42","modified":"2003-02-19 01:41:42","fileurl":""},{"id":30024,"heading":"What was the number of blocks filled with people?","article":"Thanks Leon for describing the march route. \r\n\r\nI don't think I would be able to figure out the total length of the march route unless I lived in the area and had good enough maps. \r\n\r\nBut maybe you or others can tell me the total number of blocks, and even better, the total length of the march.\r\n\r\nWhat was the total number of blocks, and the total exact length, that were filled with people? \r\n\r\nThat is the key factor that will help in honest crowd size estimations. \r\n\r\nAnd can someone please upload a map of the march route? A map like this one for San Francisco: \r\nhttp:\/\/groups.yahoo.com\/group\/cannabisaction\/message\/669 \r\n","author":"eco man","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 02:00:38","modified":"2003-02-19 02:00:38","fileurl":""},{"id":30115,"heading":"Ok, Ok, here's a damn map :)","article":"Here ya go eco man. Just apply the directions to this map and you should be able to figure out blocks. The large pic is from one block shy of La Brea. It looks like it goes all the way back to Vine, but it's hard to tell for certain.","author":"Leon","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2003-02-19 06:56:08","modified":"2005-08-15 01:11:23","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_feb_15_map.png","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/hollywood_feb_15_map.png"}},{"id":30156,"heading":"--> Elderbear","article":"--> How can Bush & Co. ignore what is going on--millions (tens of millions?) of people, worldwide, taking to the streets to say "No war on Iraq!"? Any sane leader of a democracy would not ignore this. Said leader would either re-evaulate his position or make a strong case for military action to his public and to the world. \n\nThe marches in Europe were more about anti-American attitudes amongst the leftist community than about war. Ditto for the marches here. It was the biggest turnout of whiner\/complainer types in memory.\n\n--> We are being governed by madmen (and women)--or by tyrants. \n\nYou're confused. That was the previous administration.","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 11:29:15","modified":"2003-02-19 11:29:15","fileurl":""},{"id":30204,"heading":"Awesome","article":"It was incredible. I totally believe the 75-100,000 head count - from experience - \r\n\r\nA few years ago there was a promo being filmed in Hollywood for the Jackson 5 tour, where a production company had hired 15,000 extras to film a crowd shot. They had to scrap the project because they couldn't get all 15,000 to fill the frame (which was about a city block or so). \r\n\r\nOn Saturday I started at the corner of Vine (near the front) and ended up at around Sunset\/Hawthorn or so (the In N' Out). When leaving the rally I looked back and saw that the crowd stretched all the way past Highland and a few blocks beyond. (they had blocked off the street at Wilcox). About 8-10 blocks total. That sounds consistent with the numbers posted. \r\n\r\nAbsolutely amazing in scope and energy. Being from LA, where mass gatherings usually don't happen in that magnitude, I'd never seen that many people united around one purpose in my whole life. (not even for concerts or sports events!)\r\n\r\nSo when's the next one? :)","author":"mischa","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 18:14:28","modified":"2003-02-19 18:14:28","fileurl":""},{"id":30295,"heading":"BA","article":"the notion of admiring Bush is equivalent to admiring a retarded killer. its not just oxymoronic, but laughable.\r\n\r\n11 million people worldwide protesting Bush and a war with Iraq is something i can guarantee you that this administration is taking seriously. Nixon took protests very seriously in 1969 (which came out later in the official record):\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.commondreams.org\/views03\/0217-08.htm\r\n\r\ni like BA posting here, it's kinda of like petting your family dog and feeding him when he barks. \r\n\r\nhahahahahahahahahahaha\r\n\r\n000","author":"000","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 00:54:46","modified":"2003-02-20 00:54:46","fileurl":""},{"id":30297,"heading":"just be careful where you step, the dog marks territory in smelly ways","article":"

<\/p>","author":"yowza","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-02-20 01:06:59","modified":"2003-02-20 01:06:59","fileurl":""},{"id":30332,"heading":"Another Forwarding Address is needed","article":"A more fitting forward would be to the International War Crimes Tribunal at The Hague.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 03:26:58","modified":"2003-02-20 03:26:58","fileurl":""},{"id":30362,"heading":"Proud soldier","article":"...and why is the proud US soldier covering his face? Even he knows he should be ashamed, and he was there. Maybe Bush Admirer should take a lesson from him.\r\n\r\nThe troops don't need support from people like him.","author":"Leon","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 04:23:36","modified":"2003-02-20 04:23:36","fileurl":""},{"id":30420,"heading":"Bush info","article":"google: Neil Bush Hinkley Dinner\r\n\r\nCrazy stuff. *phear*","author":"lmnop","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 09:25:27","modified":"2003-02-20 09:25:27","fileurl":""},{"id":30482,"heading":"C'mon","article":"Fresca,\r\n I just heard this quote and thought it was perfect and much more inspiring than listening to the latest Eminem CD, maybe you can tell your friends about it and then you guys can all join us in the next Peace Rally or maybe one of the many vigyls going on all over, here it is:\r\n\r\nBLOOD IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE; OIL IS NOT.\r\n Professor David Harvey\r\nPeace, ","author":"Minnie","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 20:50:51","modified":"2003-02-20 20:50:51","fileurl":""},{"id":30537,"heading":"BA illustrates US war crimes","article":"I love the photo BA used in his reply, showing US troops so ashamed of their actions they are covering their faces as hooded afgani men were kidnapped from their country, labeled enemy combatants and flown halfway around the world to be held without trial in Cuba. This just goes to show the new heights the US has sunk to under the Bush administration.","author":"Randy Grant","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 03:12:23","modified":"2003-02-21 03:12:23","fileurl":""},{"id":31012,"heading":" toleranance?","article":" Shooting bunnies? Nice... thought you guys had cornered the market in tolerance. Careful, your hatred is showing.\r\n","author":"dagwood","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-23 12:03:53","modified":"2003-02-23 12:03:53","fileurl":""},{"id":31015,"heading":"Wrong Randy","article":"Wrong Randy. The soldier isn't covering his face because he's ashamed of his actions. He's tired and he's especially tired of looking at those terrorists.\n\nI like that photo. It sends a message along the lines of our proud: "Don't Mess with Texas" slogan. This one says "Don't Mess with America." It should be posted in every Mosque worldwide, billboard size.","author":"B.A.","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-23 14:20:15","modified":"2003-02-23 14:20:15","fileurl":""},{"id":31018,"heading":"Don't mess with the SS","article":"This a shame and a dishonor on the Uniform these men are wearing.\r\nWe are supposed to be the good guys - not Storm Troopers auditioning for Nuremberg II the sequel.\r\n","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-23 15:10:32","modified":"2003-02-23 15:10:32","fileurl":""},{"id":31123,"heading":"Report from NYC","article":"Man, you can't argue with this pix, these are LARGE crowds.\r\nI flew into NYC for their (non)march, and it was MASSIVE.\r\nFirst Avenue, the official site, was filled, ( I mean FILLED) with protesters as far as the eye could see.\r\nand then, it turns out, when you left the official area, ALL the avenues were filled with crowds that weren't allowed in by the police. It seemed that there were as many there, or more, than at the rally. I assume the idea was to make the crowd look smaller, but ,in fact , it created the opposite effect. The ENTIRE Upper East Side was GRID-LOCK with Protesters.","author":"Kevin","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-24 01:43:00","modified":"2003-02-24 01:43:00","fileurl":""},{"id":41370,"heading":"Mr.","article":"What he needs is support from people like you! Those who may not agree with the war but support the people who really have no choice but to be there.","author":"Squash","parent_id":29557,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-27 13:50:38","modified":"2003-03-27 13:50:38","fileurl":""}]}