{"article":{"id":29308,"heading":"LA Demo Breakaway Attacked!!!","author":"Gary Rumor","created":"2003-02-17 05:31:21","modified":"2003-03-24 05:53:24","last_modified":"Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:53:24","article":"

Today's massive march against the war in Hollywood was the scene of a brutal police asault on breakaway marchers. Anarchists, Communists and other anti war protestors who intended to participate in a breakaway march down Sunset Blvd. to sites for peaceful die in's were attacked by LAPD officers on foot with clubs and by motorcyle cops using Psy-War tactics blasting sirens at deafening levels and charging en masse on the 200 or so demonstrators in todays Black Bloc Breakaway.

Earlier in the march Black Blockers joined by Not In Our Name marchers performed die in's on Hollywood Blvd. After reaching the end of the official march at Sunset and La Brea, those who had planned to breakaway had some dificulty gathering together due to the awesome size of the crowd estimated at 100,000 by the ANSWER Coalition organizers and at at least 50,000 by Steve W. an old time anti Vietnam war activist. This writer found the crowd to be at some points almost as dense as those at the Durga Festival in Calcutta, where the crowd grows so thick that one is literally lifted off ones feet.

After some initial cross communication, the Black Bloc marched up La Brea from Sunset, cut across on a side street and marched back down Orange in force to Sunset with locked arms chanting \"No War But Class War\", \"What do we want, Revolution, When do we want it, Now\", and \"1 2 3 4 what do we want Class War\".

As one of the demonstrators put it, \"The state is the source of more terror than any so called terrorist group and what we need is to realize that it is the Capitalist class backed by the police\/military state that is the enemy, not some dictator in Iraq. Let us unite as a world of under classes and overthrow all the dictators, whether they hide behind the facade of so called democracy or are more blatantly dictatorial\".

Demonstrators then marched down Sunset chanting \"Whose Streets, Our Streets\". They kicked down street barriers, but otherwise were entirely peaceful. Locked arm in arm rows of masked Anarchists dressed in black, with flags,and banners reading \"Anti War Action\", \"Breakaway Die-In\" among others, soon were confronted by lines of cops. Many others had joined the Anarchists, including a large contingent from the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade and Not In our Name project. They joined together to confront the police.

The cops began jabbing the front lines of protestors with clubs, the demonstrators line held and then to avoid injury reformed in the middle of the block. Seeing that they were surrounded, they went to the side walk where they passed through the police lines in small groups reforming at Las Palmas where a group were pinned against a car and some were clubbed by cops, others were succesfully unarrested and others may have been arrested. At least one is thought to have been at that point.

The police had formed line of motorcycles blaring sirens at ear piercing volumes to intimidate demonstrators. Although the locked arm lines had been broken, groups of demonstrators stood their ground against this intimidation, only yielding under the pressure of superior force.

After several more charges, reinforced by truck loads of police in Riot gear, the demonstrators dispersed. The police in a show of force backed by violence, was a typical display LAPD overreaction. Nothing new in this city of police corruption scandals and the notorious beatings of persons of color, in this case Black by choice. - Gary Rumor. <\/p>\n","contact":"Garyrumor@aol.com","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Black Block Breakaway attacked by LAPD. At least 4 demonstrators clubbed by police that this reporter witnessed. 1 or more arrested. Police charged breakaway marchers.","numcomment":103,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/02\/29308.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":29357,"heading":"pictures?","article":"Doeas anyone have pictures and\/or a better idea of how many were arrested?","author":"Perica","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 07:06:04","modified":"2003-02-17 07:06:04","fileurl":""},{"id":29361,"heading":"comrade arrested","article":"A member of my affintiy group got sepperated when the police swooped in on the breakaway march. I did not see what happened, due to the chaos the rippled out of the wake of the police, any info would help. I know he was arrested and he has gotten in brief contact with family, but any eye witnesses would help. He is a tall black man, and was wearing a black panthers shirt, and a large afro. A good target for the racist LA police. I do not know if he is in contact with the national lawyers guild, and any contact phone number for the guild would be of help.\r\n\r\nsolidarity\r\n","author":"metaphore","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 07:35:43","modified":"2003-02-17 07:35:43","fileurl":""},{"id":29372,"heading":"The Sunset Ave. skirmish","article":"I didn't know till I read this post that I was in the breakaway march. I was just walking back up Sunset with my friends to get to my car. I fell back with the police line and saw most of what happened. It seemed to me the cops could have just withdrawn and avoided the whole problem. The kids did well and held their ground as best they could. \r\n\r\nThe big surprise for me was that the LAPD has rolled out a new weapon against us: SUV attack vehicles. These appear to be customized Suburbans, either black or midnight blue, outfitted with running boards. Hanging on to each side and piled on top, like a hayride from hell, are robocops wearing gas masks, and armed with grenade launchers. As intimidating as these things are, there's something comical about them too, maybe because of their Keyston Kops look. Also, I couldn't help thinking of vulnerable SUV's are to tipping over. One of the coolest things I saw was the kid on skates with the camera who taunted the police line and teased the cops by skating in again and agin to grab shots. He was like a fly they could never catch.\r\n\r\nIt's all fun and games for now. Once the war starts, it's going to get very serious.\r\n\r\nmarat\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nhasta la victoria siempre1\r\n\r\n","author":"marat","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 08:14:23","modified":"2003-02-17 08:14:23","fileurl":""},{"id":29378,"heading":"Lawyers Guild","article":"lawyers guild monitors were supposed to follow us but we had a hell of a time getting through to them. I talked with Jim Laferty before the march and he introduced me to our monitor. I asked him for his cell number but he seemed more interested in hanging with his buddies. \r\nOne of our number made it to the Speakers Stand and announced the Breakaway. We then proceeded ahead. The contact # for the lawyers guild is 323-653-4510. You can contact me and I will do what I can to help with organizing support. - Gary Rumor","author":"Gary Rumor","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 08:27:34","modified":"2003-02-17 08:27:34","fileurl":""},{"id":29396,"heading":"COPS new toys","article":"My camera batterys were dead by the time the breakaway stuff went down. I was only able to get a few seconds at a time. ","author":"FluxRostrum","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 10:46:44","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:48","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/riotsuvs.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/riotsuvs.jpg"}},{"id":29527,"heading":"black bloc participant","article":"I was part of the break away and it was very surprising. Despite the fact police surrounded us on all sides, the front column that ended up hitting and arresting a few weren't as organized as we expect. I was in the 2nd row of the bloc and we were able to turn and go aroundthe intial clash between the first row and the column of police. We split and sort of lingered around, going back and forth between the original first row and down towards Vine. \r\n\r\nOne of the guys at the front of the Black Bloc was acting only as a photographer. He wasn't wearing all black, he didn't have a mask, and in short he was a civilian. He tried to calm things down because the police were looking like they were gonna use their clubs (which they apparently did). The police weren't hearing it and shoved him to the ground.\r\n\r\nAlthough it was broken up and we were surrounded, it was a pretty strong black bloc considering how LA usually doesn't have that strong of a presence. We also got more liberal support than we expect. When they were told to disperse they refused and when things started warming up between the first row of the Bloc and the police they started chanting, "the whole world is watching" pretty loud. ","author":"RedLibertad","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 17:38:08","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs08.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs08.jpg"}},{"id":29528,"heading":"swat team","article":"Here's the Swat team that sealed the only exit. ","author":"RedLibertad","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 17:41:03","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs13.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs13.jpg"}},{"id":29530,"heading":"motorcycles","article":"There was a point where they tried to scare us away by threatening to run us over with their motorcycles. ","author":"RedLibertad","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 17:42:56","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs05.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bbpigs05.jpg"}},{"id":29550,"heading":"civilian riot?","article":"The member of my affinity group who was arrested for "insighting a riot" last night in LA was simply documenting the black block's breakaway protest when he saw a underage girl trapped between police motorcycles, he was jumped by police and arrested with one other member of the block. once again for "insighting a riot" which is of course a lie. He was a photographer and the only people insighting a riot were the brutal police. Any eye witnesses would help with the pending court case. please contact me via email. I believe he is in touch with the lawyers guild too. He has numerous injuries which we are having documented by urgent care doctors.\r\n\r\nsolidarity\r\n","author":"metaphore","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 18:35:48","modified":"2003-02-17 18:35:48","fileurl":""},{"id":29589,"heading":"Break Away March","article":"I was with the Break Away March for it's entire length, beginning at the intersection of Sunset & LaBrea (ref.to photo: 1442, 1444, 1447) which then began to move North up LaBrea (ref. 1448, 1449). It turned East onto Lanewood Ave (ref. 1450) then turning South onto Orange Dr. and eventually turning East onto Sunset Blvd. Police caught sight & sound of the BAM while they chanted their slogans of peace as they turned onto Sunset (ref. 1451-B) . Police began to mobilize themselves within 60 seconds and were moving in behind them while motorcycle cops & other police vehicles appeared to loop forward via the adjacent streets running parallel to Sunset. The BAM continued marching forward moving toward Highland (ref. 1452) which had road barricades preventing through traffic from Highland onto Sunset west. This seemed to be when the police became more "heightened" by the BA. The march moved through the intersection, not disturbing the traffic yielded at a red light. From this point on (Highland & Sunset) to approximately Las Palmas & Sunset (ref. 1453,1454) is where the police "clamp down" occurred by strategically sweeping up the parallel streets to Sunset (ref.1455). Police used the tactic of encircling the marchers and refused them to proceed any further as they stood locked with their batons at waist level aimed at they protesters (ref.1456). I saw absolutely no violence or for that matter any physical motions towards the police from any single participant of the BAM (ref.1457,1458). Police officers struck & jabbed some of the participants at this point (ref.1456). Within 60 seconds of this moment at least 2 participants had either moved away from this scene (1456) or had been caught on the opposite side of Sunset but at any rate; this is where the female of these 2 was severely struck by an officer with his baton (ref. 1459). The other participant of the pair, a black male with Afro hair, seemed to put his body between the white female being struck and the assaulting officer, as an obvious move to protect her from the officer's attack. After this they were both arrested immediately -the female was pushed into an all black police vehicle that had absolutely no logo's or identification other than it's plate numbers. At this point I had taken no photos as I was being harassed by officers myself as I tried to continue with my photo documentation. Photos; 1460, 1461 are the next sequential shots taken after they had been arrested and driven away. Photos 1463, 1464, 1466, 1467 are the subsequent "loop & sweep" tactics the police made, advancing East toward the intersection of Sunset & Cahuenga Blvd. Eventually, the police hastily moved to protect the store fronts of Amoeba Records (ref. 1468,1469). I did not witness the aledged assault & arrest of one of the BAM participants since the crowd, though small, was too densely packed on the sidewalk as heavy traffic & shoppers moved slowly around. From the Break Away March's first turn onto Sunset at approximately 4 p.m., they stood in solidarity with their right to free speech for the less than a mile march (0.8 miles) that took them about 1 and half hours to reach upon it's final disintegration at the intersection of Cahuenga Blvd.\r\n\r\n*note* the images I've posted are reduced from 1600 height to 500 pixels (72dpi) for optimized viewing. Permission is granted to use the images posted here at Indymedia LA, for non-profit causes. Contact me for any further information.\r\n\r\nindependent documenter,\r\n-erik \/ rannxxerox","author":"Rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:31:56","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1442.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1442.jpg"}},{"id":29590,"heading":"Break Away March -2\/23","article":"","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:34:42","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1447.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1447.jpg"}},{"id":29592,"heading":"Break Away March -3\/23","article":"ref. 1448","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:38:18","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1448.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1448.jpg"}},{"id":29595,"heading":"Break Away March -4\/23","article":"ref. 1449","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:39:52","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1449.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1449.jpg"}},{"id":29596,"heading":"Break Away March - 5\/23","article":"ref. 1450","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:41:33","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1450.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1450.jpg"}},{"id":29597,"heading":"Break Away March - 6\/23","article":"ref. 1451-B","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:42:47","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1451-b.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1451-b.jpg"}},{"id":29598,"heading":"Break Away March - 7\/23","article":"ref. 1452","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:43:49","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1452.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1452.jpg"}},{"id":29599,"heading":"Break Away March - 8\/23","article":"ref. 1453","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:45:01","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1453.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1453.jpg"}},{"id":29601,"heading":"Break Away March - 9\/23","article":"ref. 1454 (Sunset Blvd.)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:46:14","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1454.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1454.jpg"}},{"id":29602,"heading":"Break Away March - 10\/23","article":"ref. 1455 (Sunset & Las Palmas Ave.)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:48:48","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1455.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1455.jpg"}},{"id":29603,"heading":"Break Away March - 11\/23","article":"ref. 1456 (Sunset, first police stand off)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:50:25","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:50","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1456.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1456.jpg"}},{"id":29605,"heading":"Break Away March - 12\/23","article":"ref. 1457 (Sunset & Las Palmas -south side of Sunset observing "Police Stand Off")","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:53:24","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1457.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1457.jpg"}},{"id":29606,"heading":"Break Away March - 13\/23","article":"ref. 1458 (Sunset & Las Palmas)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:55:31","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1458.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1458.jpg"}},{"id":29608,"heading":"Break Away March - 14\/23","article":"ref. 1459 (Police officer assaults participants of Break Away March)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:58:16","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1459.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1459.jpg"}},{"id":29610,"heading":"Break Away March - 15\/23","article":"ref. 1460 (LaBrea facing North towards Sunset. Assaulted black male & white female already arrested and removed from the scene).","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:00:48","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1460.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1460.jpg"}},{"id":29611,"heading":"Break Away March - 16\/23","article":"ref. 1461 (LaBrea facing North towards Sunset)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:02:24","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1461.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1461.jpg"}},{"id":29612,"heading":"Break Away March - 16\/23","article":"ref. 1461 (LaBrea facing North towards Sunset)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:02:37","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1461.jpgf405wu.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1461.jpgf405wu.jpg"}},{"id":29613,"heading":"Break Away March - 17\/23","article":"ref. 1463 (on Sunset facing west toward police advancing North)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:04:18","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1463.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1463.jpg"}},{"id":29614,"heading":"Break Away March - 18\/23","article":"ref. 1464 (Police continuing from side streets as they advance North on Sunset toward Cahuenga Blvd.)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:06:29","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1464.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1464.jpg"}},{"id":29615,"heading":"Break Away March - 19\/23","article":"ref. 1466 (Police continuing North on Sunset Blvd.)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:09:11","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:52","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1466.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1466.jpg"}},{"id":29616,"heading":"Break Away March - 20\/23","article":"ref. 1467 (Police continue North on Sunset Blvd.)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:11:12","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:52","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1467.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1467.jpg"}},{"id":29617,"heading":"Break Away March - 21\/23","article":"ref 1468 (Police mobilize to secure the store front area of Cahuenga & Sunset)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:13:07","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:52","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1468.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1468.jpg"}},{"id":29618,"heading":"Break Away March - 22\/23","article":"ref. 1469 (The front of Amoeba Records at intersection of Sunset & LaBrea)","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:14:50","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:52","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1469.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/1469.jpg"}},{"id":29619,"heading":"Break Away March - 23\/23","article":"a map reference of the Break Away March route as it began at the corner of Sunset & LaBrea and ultimately ending at the intersection of Cahuenga & Sunset. ","author":"rannxxerox","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 22:19:00","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:52","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/f15-breaak_away_map.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/f15-breaak_away_map.jpg"}},{"id":29631,"heading":"Don't be discouraged, don't be silenced","article":"Just wan't to send love and best wishes to all of our peaceloving American brothers and sisters. Thank you for reminding me that your country is not a complete warmonger and that your government and mine is to blame for this frightening mess. You have stood up to be counted, don't let some heavy-handed police thugs try and silence you.\r\nPeace, Love, Solidarity\r\nAndrew","author":"Andrew (Brisbane, Australia)","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 22:32:03","modified":"2003-02-17 22:32:03","fileurl":""},{"id":29667,"heading":"what was the goal?","article":"I'll be a prick for a moment here... what was the point of the breakaway march?","author":"yyy","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 00:37:02","modified":"2003-02-18 00:37:02","fileurl":""},{"id":29674,"heading":".","article":"thanks for the photos! they really showed alot. do you have any where they pinned us to the car?","author":"mama cass","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 01:05:21","modified":"2003-02-18 01:05:21","fileurl":""},{"id":29713,"heading":"Mr.","article":"I was wondering the same thing. I was walking down Sunset with my mom when I saw the bloc running a little fast towards us, away from the police barrier, only to find cops running towards us from behind as well. I think this is what the author above was describing as the encirclement. Was there a plan to breakaway march on the sidewalk past the barrier?\r\n\r\nAnyway, I hope everything worked out ok. I witnessed one guy get arrested on a shop corner, pinned down to the ground by about 10 police officers, and there were enough police cars to block the entire intersection. It was overkill to say the least.\r\n\r\nI would like to join fellow libertarians during such protests, but I am reluctant in the face of all the trouble that must be put up with.\r\n\r\nPeace from San Bernardino County.\r\n\r\n","author":"Ray","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 03:11:57","modified":"2003-02-18 03:11:57","fileurl":""},{"id":29717,"heading":"complexity + more radical analysis","article":"it looks like early March is our next big date unless Bush's war blows up first. nice timing! ....some major tactical convergences: global women's strike<\/a>, code pink<\/a>, and the global antiwar movement<\/a>. \r\n\r\nwhy breakaways? why feeder marches? why a radical feminist analysis? \r\n\r\nbecause we are capable of more complexity and a more radical analysis at a massive global level.... and for the elitist masters of our world, that is the ultimate threat, the unmanageable threat, the nightmare scenario. let's do it!","author":"akachan#2","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 03:25:52","modified":"2003-02-18 03:25:52","fileurl":""},{"id":29752,"heading":"metro","article":"Not SWAT...Metro Division regulars.","author":"stevo","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 05:24:21","modified":"2003-02-18 05:24:21","fileurl":""},{"id":29775,"heading":"fuckin babe ruth","article":"good shot of my comrade helping an underage girl out from the police circle of bikes. Notice the pig behind him swinging the batton at his back. Now that is real nobel, really helping maintain the peace. My buddy, the one with the afro, has a broken arm from just such a baton swing. Can this photo be used in court (is it digital or not).. anyone got other photos to help prove that he was in no way "inciting a riot" but being beaten by the po-lice.\r\n\r\nsolidarity","author":"metaphore","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 06:42:18","modified":"2003-02-18 06:42:18","fileurl":""},{"id":29791,"heading":"peace","article":"I think that you guys are just asking for it when you go to a march dressed like that. ","author":"sumo","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 07:51:36","modified":"2003-02-18 07:51:36","fileurl":""},{"id":29797,"heading":"Communism and Socialism must defeat America","article":"America is a sick, evil place, thats why i suggest we convert to socialism or communism much like other terrorist regimes in the world. What? Don't agree? Well, youre a filthy capitalist American thats why, Iraq must be protected and Hussein as well.","author":"Truth teller","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:12:04","modified":"2003-02-18 08:12:04","fileurl":""},{"id":29798,"heading":"Socialism and Communism is wrong","article":"Truth teller, capitalism is the best economic form possible, thats why America is the greatest, richest country in the world, please be reasonable.","author":"Timothy Jones","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:13:40","modified":"2003-02-18 08:13:40","fileurl":""},{"id":29800,"heading":"Timothy Jones is a stupid asshole","article":"What, fucking American, got a problem with my views. \r\n\r\nKarl Marx, Hitler, Mussolini, Imperial Japan all held my similar views, fucking ignorant maggot. \r\n\r\nWhat don't know who they are? \r\n\r\nThat's right, you're dumb.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:17:11","modified":"2003-02-18 08:17:11","fileurl":""},{"id":29801,"heading":"Gay faggot!","article":"Truth teller, all those above mentioned people were criminals, which massacred innocent democratic peoples and countries, how dare you sympathize with them.","author":"Timothy Jones","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:19:12","modified":"2003-02-18 08:19:12","fileurl":""},{"id":29802,"heading":"Maggot-head","article":"Timothy Jones,\r\n\r\nYou say capitalism is the ''best economic form'', but what about China, a communist country, in the process of defeating America economically, they're have a better system, communism, maggot-head.\r\n\r\nAmerica is a corrupt country, look at when we first took over America from the Indians, or when we made the Negros our slaves. The country you hold dear is nothing more then pathetic shit. \r\n\r\nIraq, sure may have committed atrocities, but what about America? America can't do anything, because that would be hypocrisy, when will you dirty rightist bastards learn that protecting America is like protecting shit?\r\n\r\nYou're probably an ignorant 12 year old because you don't know who George Tenet is, fucking elementary schooler, fuck you and fuck America.\r\n\r\nNO BLOOD FOR OIL","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:24:38","modified":"2003-02-18 08:24:38","fileurl":""},{"id":29803,"heading":"Truth teller is an unpatriotic f u ck!","article":"Truth teller, you say that America is evil, but it is you who is bad. You hate America, I don't believe it, unpatriotic f u c k. Those incidences were from the past, many hundreds of years ago. Sure America makes mistakes, but we are trying our best now. America will not be destroyed by unpatriotic, traitors such as yourself! ","author":"Timothy Jones","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:27:23","modified":"2003-02-18 08:27:23","fileurl":""},{"id":29804,"heading":"Death to Rightist Bastards like Timothy Jones","article":"Your brain is filled with maggots little poor American.\r\n\r\nFuck your consverative values, but most importantly, fuck you!\r\n\r\nAmerica will be destroyed by terrorists, just look at what Maddona or Jesse Jackson said, not to mention George Tenet, head of the CIA, that America will be destroyed if we invade Iraq. Fucking ignoramus, don't know who activists such as Maddona or Jesse Jackson are? That's right, they're much more educated than your stupid Bush....\r\n\r\nBUSH, THE IDIOT SON OF AN ASSHOLE\r\n\r\nLong live communism!","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 08:34:04","modified":"2003-02-18 08:34:04","fileurl":""},{"id":29827,"heading":"information and communication is the key","article":"Maybe if the anarchists had a map of the route and a contingency plan then they could have planned an escape route a little better.\r\nInformation and communication is the key.\r\nTheres more of us, but who goes first? {dk riot}\r\nla black bloc rules!!!","author":"system failure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 12:46:00","modified":"2003-02-18 12:46:00","fileurl":""},{"id":29828,"heading":"You're none too bright, Timothy","article":"The guy who has been calling himself "Truth Teller"\r\nhere is some rabid right winger who is baiting you\r\nwith his bogus claims to be a Socialist or Communist.\r\nAre you really so dim that you can't see that?\r\n\r\nI'm the one who pointed you at the historian's article\r\nabout Japan. Here's another intelligent article,\r\nabout Bush, Iraq, Israel, etc.:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/argument.independent.co.uk\/commentators\/story.jsp?story=378428","author":"the original "truth teller"","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 12:56:10","modified":"2003-02-18 12:56:10","fileurl":""},{"id":29854,"heading":"the two who got arrested","article":" I'm the white 17 year old girl who the black male tried to protect... That picture is really distrubing... he and I were in the same boat, but he is getting charged with trying to incite a riot, and I get failure to disperse. I might be wrong but one is a felony and the other a misdemoner...I will be willing to help him in anyway I can because I think they are trying to f u c k him over for being there, and they caught him for helping me... I will do anything I can.","author":"Claire","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 17:50:33","modified":"2003-02-17 17:50:33","fileurl":""},{"id":29857,"heading":"yo claire","article":"Hey im glad you're ok. I was the guy who was heartbroken in there and you calmed me down. I can't thank you enough. I was about to lose my head and you kept me sane. The gentlemen who helped you and I are both facing the same charges, same court date and time, etc. Just to set the record straight for accuracy's sake: these charges are not felony, however. We need all the help we can get! Thank you forever and ever for the support... ","author":"xxx","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 18:05:57","modified":"2003-02-17 18:05:57","fileurl":""},{"id":30035,"heading":""black by choice"","article":"" Nothing new in this city of police corruption scandals and the notorious beatings of persons of color, in this case Black by choice. "\r\n\r\nDoes this mean the bloc was all white people, who decided to be "black by choice" on Feb 15?","author":"defano781","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 02:03:16","modified":"2003-02-19 02:03:16","fileurl":""},{"id":30042,"heading":"security culture dumb fucks","article":"hey there gary you should really practice security culture ass. and the rest of you ahuh gee i was in the bloc der der why dont you post your full name and soc.security # what a fucking joke im sure the the local law enforcement will be more prepared in gathering which dissidents to torture in the future. a black bloc meeting at luna sol whos fucking idea was that i hope you all met some cops who are good at the usual big revolutionary penis talk have fun with your pseudo community and your self congratulating bullshit rhetoric and oh yeah i was born brown fuckin prick black by choice suck my ass.","author":"quit playing games","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 02:52:32","modified":"2003-02-19 02:52:32","fileurl":""},{"id":30048,"heading":"Claire","article":"Claire - You'e a 17 year old kid who's fallen in with the wrong crowd.\n\nxxx is trying to hit on you over the Internet.\n\nGo home to your parents. Distance yourself from these losers. Make something of yourself.","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 02:59:06","modified":"2003-02-19 02:59:06","fileurl":""},{"id":30116,"heading":"To Bush Admirer","article":"Bush Admirer- You'e a 10 year old kid (mentally) who's fallen in with the wrong crowd. \r\nThe Republicrats are trying to hit on you with false patriotism. \r\nGo home to your children. Distance yourself from these losers in the White House. Make something of yourself. Educate yourself to the reality of the world situation & the erosion of liberties in the USA.","author":"Frank Lee","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 07:13:24","modified":"2003-02-19 07:13:24","fileurl":""},{"id":30124,"heading":""Bush Admirer" -a bunny in headlights","article":"As I watched Santa Clairita spend $1.5 million, and put 600 "Republicans" and "Libertarins" at a time into LA County Board of Supervisor's meetings in 2001, fighting NAFTA and FTAA riping their towns apart with the BLM's largest graval pit ever. Few of the people fighting to save their communites had the will to even look at the reasons Monoply Capitalism is overwelming their hopes and dreams at every turn.\r\nI'll bet even money that 80% of the "Black Block" know more about "Free Trade" and the ongoing "Structual Adjustment" of the US than you know about setting the clock on your VCR. Ig-nor-ance is a verb.\r\n","author":"XRepublican","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 07:49:48","modified":"2003-02-19 07:49:48","fileurl":""},{"id":30127,"heading":"brilliant","article":""don't know who activists such as Maddona or Jesse Jackson are? "\r\n\r\nWhat can I say?","author":"fresca","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 07:59:16","modified":"2003-02-19 07:59:16","fileurl":""},{"id":30146,"heading":"Attention all those arrested","article":"anyone who was arrested please email me with info. i want know what i can do to help. i have had experience with this shit before. claire, and the other two arrestees(and anyone else) please email me.\r\n\r\nregards-\r\nfullauto14@aol.com","author":"smoke","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 10:04:15","modified":"2003-02-19 10:04:15","fileurl":""},{"id":30186,"heading":"mr","article":"hey you.....the only reason why america is wealthy is because it fucks over other countries and bleeds them dry.(south america)you dont really think that yanks work harder than the rest of the world do you now????\r\nits exactly what spain+ portugal did during the 16-17 century when they stole all the inca wealth they were the worlds richest country then as well.\r\n.u.s imperialism must be stoped at all cost........................\r\n viva la revolution","author":"bob","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 16:08:17","modified":"2003-02-19 16:08:17","fileurl":""},{"id":30207,"heading":"thanks","article":"Obviously everybody didn't have the identical day.....and I'm really glad to see alternative experiences to mine here. ","author":"Anna","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 18:34:44","modified":"2003-02-19 18:34:44","fileurl":""},{"id":30208,"heading":"To quit playing games and this mindless banter from all sides","article":"Excuse me, "quit playing games", but you have no idea what really happened. Police officers purposefully tried running innocent, peaceful civilians over for no reason other than they wanted to get their jollies off. I am typing this with a broken arm and a worse impression of the LAPD than I thought possible. If you think that the government lackeys that are reading the dialogue don't already know our names, social sec. #'s, addresses, life stories, etc., then you're extremely blind to the system we live in. I'm not insulting you but trying to reason out the obvious truth of the situation, that is if you're not one of those government lackeys just inciting propaganda and trying to upset already angry people just to make your job a bit more sadistically satisfying. My name is Jared Haile Ejigu, but I'm just another # in this messed up world and for personal reasons you won't get that information out of me. If you would like to meet me sometime and have a cup of coffee or tea please email. I'm not angry at you, I harbor no ill will, but I would like you to see and process what a police state and an empire really is. If you don't believe me, fine, but like the old adage goes "...and when they came for me there was silence because there was no one left to speak for me."\r\n\r\nAnd to all those people arguing with these hate-mongers please stop; sadly you\u2019re not going anywhere they are just trying to incite you to anger as they are hateful and you won\u2019t change them, save your time, emotions and especially your energy. Use your voice on the web, which was started as a military tool, to inform all those people out there that the movement is here, that the movement is strong, and that the movement is not going to stop. To the progressive people of this world and those not yet informed the Might of God, the Power of the People, the Intelligence of our Species, and the Love of Life will, is, and must Prevail the evil that is within us all.\r\n\r\nSolidarity. Liberty. Equality.\r\n","author":"Peaceful Target","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-19 19:03:39","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:37","fileurl":""},{"id":30301,"heading":"to the kid who got arrested at amoeba","article":"after the guy in front of amoeba got arrested the police officer who was detaining me asked me if i knew him because we both matched descriptions of persons committing vandalism on sunset. and i was just wondering if those are the charges he is currently charged with, or something else. and for those people with more legal knowledge, can someone who allegedly committed vandalism be charged with inciting a riot?\r\n\r\ni also wanted to throw out support to peaceful target. \r\n\r\nthank you.","author":"carla","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 01:25:23","modified":"2003-02-20 01:25:23","fileurl":""},{"id":30330,"heading":"Protester","article":"At Highland and Sunset, a group of confused kids were trying to start a riot. Those of us who have seen too much bloodshed from such stupid undertakings stopped them, while the police in that location showed considerable restraint. \r\n\r\nThere were at least 30 horses, twice that in motorcycle cops, two SWAT Suv's with battle geared officers, and two helicopters overhead. That is overwhelming force, and while I am proud of the hearts of such misguided heroes, their heads are seriously deluded. \r\n\r\nTurning a peaceful protest into a fiasco with the police accomplishes NOTHING except getting innocent people injured, and creating cause for police rioting.\r\n\r\nWe stopped it there, and I wish I could have stopped the parts I knew nothing about until reading it here. \r\n\r\nThough hotheads may not understand it, this is ANTI-POLITICAL behavior. It prevents large demonstrations from occuring, both by scaring the families that turned out, and by encouraging the police to treat protestors as rioters.\r\n\r\nPolitical, in this fight, is what makes the junta leaders small, and the protest group large. Violence only shrinks the protest group, while strengthening the junta's rhetoric.\r\n\r\nIf people feel the need to act out fantasies of resistance to police, they should do so apart from peaceful protest. The half-million Iraqis who are slated to die in this attack are not helped by anarchistic behavior for which the police are amply equipped and organizationally prefer. It is a fool's game.\r\n\r\nWhat the violent demonstrators told me was: "You've had your stupid fucking peaceful protest for five hours. Now it is OUR turn." Meanwhile, plenty of elderly, children, young teens, and utterly innocent peaceful protestors were attempting to disband safely after the most successful street protest in Los Angeles history. Stirring up the police put many innocent people at risk.\r\n\r\nBecause we stopped the violence linked directly to the protest zone, many of those people will turn out again, not knowing of the violence enacted by the cooperation of anarchists and their police opponents. That is not why WE march, and that is not the method of anything other than getting your asses kicked. We already did plenty of that during the Vietnam war protest, and it is a failed strategy.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 03:26:02","modified":"2003-02-20 03:26:02","fileurl":""},{"id":30336,"heading":"to peacefull target","article":"yeah we can have tea then you can suck a fart out of my ass copper if your a liberal youd probably squeel if any real action were to happen continue to be a peacefull target me and my peeps cant afford to jerk","author":"quitplaying games","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 03:29:06","modified":"2003-02-20 03:29:06","fileurl":""},{"id":30348,"heading":"A Constitutional Point","article":""Congress shall make no law ... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a a redress of grivances."\r\n\r\nFirst Amendment to the Constitution of The United States (BA - it's also known as "The Bill of Rights")\r\n\r\nNinth Amendment:\r\n"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."\r\n\r\nThe protesters were engaged in a Patriotic act and had every right to make their voice heard.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 04:02:51","modified":"2003-02-20 04:02:51","fileurl":""},{"id":30354,"heading":"Pokey the Blue assed dolt","article":"Lord, and you have the gall\r\nto call someone ELSE an a**hole?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 04:12:44","modified":"2003-02-20 04:12:44","fileurl":""},{"id":30357,"heading":"I hope they don't get mad at me again","article":"Can people check in to\r\npost a brief Bush Admirer\r\nsimilarity? ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 04:16:53","modified":"2003-02-20 04:16:53","fileurl":""},{"id":30364,"heading":"No, I'm Sorry","article":"As tempting as it is, maybe I should try to publish\r\nanother 'looking for the Admirer' thread\/hell\r\nGod what a twit.\r\nSorry folks.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 04:24:25","modified":"2003-02-20 04:24:25","fileurl":""},{"id":30406,"heading":"Quoting rights and reality","article":"The cops don't really represent the court of rights. They are enforcement. Without strong civilian control, the police are always a danger. \r\n\r\nBut rather than observe that 100,000 people with loud and offensive protest walked through the city without giving the police an overt reason to attack them, the agitators I met disdained the effort of that 100,000. So it wasn't just a more frustrated portion of the protestors who was acting out their grievances (acquiring fresh grievances thereby). \r\n\r\nIt was a group hostile to the concept of democratic protest en masse. It was a group intent on disrupting or degenerating the protest itself.\r\n\r\nFor SURE, there are lots of cops perfectly happy to violate your civil rights. Getting them to do so doesn't reveal anything but that fact. A primary moral view abstains from bringing down the police on the families.\r\n\r\nOr are anarchists the enemies of peaceful people as well as the government? There were many innocent people on hand. You people should have shown them more respect, and not started shit to get them into danger.\r\n","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 07:10:04","modified":"2003-02-20 07:10:04","fileurl":""},{"id":30416,"heading":"cordedpoodle","article":"I was a protestor.\r\n\r\nThe protest could have been far more effective. The purpose of the protest is to sway the opinions of the uninformed.\r\n\r\n1) We must be more polite and more fun and more happy than our opponents. We wish to ATTRACT their support. We CANNOT force our views. A dead quiet demonstration would have far more effective. My personal dream is of a demonstration with sound coming entirely from bells. bicycle bells, temple bells, brass bells, etc. A pleasant happy sound would get far more and much better press than a bunch of obnoxious people spouting cliches and being obnoxiously loud. \r\n\r\n2) Demagogues are counterproductive. We must become even more informed about the history of the region. Find out who Mossedeq was. Then using LOGIC, not emotion, to convince good people of the undesirability of this war, regardless of our personal feelings.\r\n\r\nI was there mostly because I don\u2019t like to be lied to by my government. However, I find the leftist bullshit almost as hard to take. It\u2019s counter-productive. If that shit annoys me just imagine what the rest of America thinks. Just the facts that\u2019s all America needs to know. Get your facts STRAIGHT. Don\u2019t deviate from the subject. The only idea I had in common with most of the people there is that this war is wrong. I almost didn\u2019t come because of all the side issues. Separate your hatred of Bush from the idea that the war is insane. Once people understand the war is insane they will naturally understand Bush is insane. If you try to convince people Bush is evil before you convince them the war is evil you will fail.\r\n\r\n1) There WAS a legally elected Muslim government. Mossedeq in Iran. We overthrew that government and installed the Shah. Most Americans have never heard of Mossedeq. Once they look into it they will start believing you. Then you can tell them the US has also installed ruthless dictatorships in Chile, Central America, Vietnam and you will have some credibility.\r\n2) This is not about Saddam. It\u2019s better for us to agree and insist that Saddam is an asshole. The more we proclaim him to be and ass the more credible we will be when we also insist the war is really about the free flow of oil. It\u2019s not even about the price of oil. They just want enough to sell, they don\u2019t care about the price.\r\n3) There is no group in Iraq that can rule without being oppressive. So even if we get rid of Saddam nothing will change. Both other powers in Iraq, the Shiites in the south and the Kurds in the north are offensive to most thinking people. The first Bush administration allowed Saddam to slaughter both groups because they want to weaken and then control all governments in the Mideast.\r\n4) We have a right to compete just as the people in the Middle East have a right to get every penny they can for their oil. Conservation is the best way to reduce our dependence on and drive down the price of oil.\r\n5) Martin Sheen and the rest of the Celebrities are counter-productive and hypocritical as long as they live limousine lifestyles. They do not speak for me. I would rather listen to someone who is not famous, lives simply, and speaks the truth. The leftist cliches make us look fanatical and ignorant. The best spokespersons for our cause are people who you think would support the war, such as General Schwartzkopf. One famous rightist who is against the war is worth 100 famous leftists against the war.\r\n","author":"John Doe","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 08:49:51","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:38","fileurl":""},{"id":30418,"heading":"John Doe","article":"Some more thoughts:\r\n\r\n1) Funny signs are better than hateful signs.\r\n\r\n2) Don't argue with rightist taunters. Wish them well. Give them the name of Mossedeq and request they look it up on the Web.\r\n\r\n3) Do not trash anything. Be sensitive to merchants who loose a day\u2019s receipts because of the protest. Buy something from them and be nice to them even if they don\u2019t agree with you.\r\n\r\n4) Live what you preach. Don't drive an overly large car. Eat vegetarian. Live in a modest house.\r\n\r\nWe have to WORK harder if we want to succeed. You may not like to be nice to rightists but that is the work.\r\n","author":"cordedpoodle","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 09:01:43","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:38","fileurl":""},{"id":30440,"heading":"ANTI WAR ACTION","article":"The Breakaway action was to Give activists an opportunity to take the rebellion to a more intensified level and to have a bit of fun. Listening to the same old leftist speeches is a bore. We wanted to have a few die ins among the public. People were invited to bring costumes and to show Black Bloc solidarity. \r\nThe police in their overreaction did not allow us to have the kind of playful fun we had intended. They made it a heavy scene with their violent attitudes and actions. They were definate party poopers. \r\nTo those who say we would have been more effective if we had been more secretive, I can only say that that wasn't the point, I mean exactly how succesful can a Die in Be? Or perhaps if some wanted to fuck shit up like in San Francisco, well exactly how much success can be in breaking a few windows. I feel that we were perfectly successful in revealing the violence inherent in the state and particularly in the LA police. \r\nWe wanted to have light comedic theater, the cops gave us heavier dramatic violence, still it wasn't R rated blood and gore, it was more like a PG rated movie, So we got to march and chant, they got to beat and bust. Who won? Well if you have to use primitive calculations based on overall propaganda value, we won. Most people were sympathetic, nobody was hurt that bad, and the arrests were fairly minor. Although the main stream media ignored us, when do they ever pay much attention to anarchists unless there is significant violence, after all isn't that our role, to play the Angry Ones? \r\nWe arn't out there to please the media, or the mainstream left or the conservatives or our parents or whomever. We are out there to please ourselves and to do our bit to foward the world revolution. It is primarily in the mind and if we came out of the experience feeling a bit more empowered then it was worth it. The big bad wolf of the LAPD was faced and we may have been a bit brused, overall it seemed that we came out feeling like we needed to get better at what we do, not demoralized. \r\nSO THREE CHEERS FOR THE BLACK BLOCK BREAKAWAY IN LA. WE DIED SO THAT WE ALL MAY LIVE!!! LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION OF THE IMAGINATION, IMAGINE THAT, NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR (A WAR WITH CLASS) -GARY RUMOR","author":"Gary Rumor","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 11:45:14","modified":"2003-02-20 11:45:14","fileurl":""},{"id":30457,"heading":"Exposing something already well known","article":"A 'die-in' is perfectly reasonable protest. However, this breakaway at least drew a violent element; one is direct defiance of the mass protest just concluded, not a part or a version of that protest.\r\n\r\nAs for the idea of 'leftism,' this is the biggest canard in the right-wing media, and quoting it in defense of violence is hilarious. People are opposed to genocide----that is not a 'leftist' issue. \r\n\r\nFurthermore, a protest sign is not an education. The idea that 'No War for Oil' is simplistic is stating the obvious. It is code for a much more informed point of view. Everyone who is serious knows this.\r\n\r\nFourth, the idea that humorous signs work better than accusatory signs; this is based, imo, on the often mistaken view that those supporting the war are not simply racists. My experience in this protest action is that most who are still in favor of the flimsy lies of Madcowboy BU ll SH it are in fact racists----and ridicule is the proper method for bringing these views to the surface, so at least their lies may end.\r\n\r\nAround mass peaceful protest, the violent often appear. Whether 'right' or 'left,' they are both unwelcome invaders. They haven't learned the wisdom of nonviolent protest, or if they have, they haven't realized that they will be responsible for the worst of the people they attract.\r\n\r\nMartin Sheen is an actor; as is Sean Penn (a much better actor). Actors are not 'normal,' as anyone can easily tell. Nonetheless, rallies do not have the same purpose as marching or general protest. These are entertainments (including education and moral support). I support Sheen and Penn, even if I do not care to hear their speeches.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 18:03:56","modified":"2003-02-20 18:03:56","fileurl":""},{"id":30458,"heading":"One more thing...","article":"About 'War for Oil,' as code. \r\n\r\nIt is not the case that this is 'right to compete.' The Zionist movement in the ME and Am intends the complete takeover of the ME after a grand genocide justified by a revenge terrorist attack (real or faked) on Am after the pending 'petit' genocide. \r\n\r\nThe 'Peace' Canal linking the Tigris to Tel Aviv is as much a 'reason' for this as oil. An even greater 'reason' is the racist and religious hatred of Islamists. \r\n\r\nThe Shah is not really the point; after all, it appears to have been the Iranians, not Hussein, who poison gassed the Kurds during the Iran-Iraq war. Calling Hussein, a murderous criminal, an 'asshole' is almost silly. Even as a criminal, or an asshole, he has human rights, among them a right to trial for his crimes, AS DOES GW BU ll SH it. ","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 18:14:54","modified":"2003-02-20 18:14:54","fileurl":""},{"id":30485,"heading":"I would be more convinced....","article":"I would be more convinced that the Black Bloc was being counter-productive had we interupted the main rally. Instead we broke away, I thought "break away" was self explanitory. In my opinion that puts the Black Bloc movement in a position where it can propose an option to the public and not impose. \r\n\r\nIf the anti-war movement is going to be limited to concerns about baby killers the movement is going to fail inasmuch as the Vietnam anti-war movement failed. The Black Bloc is at least providing more than some hippy nostalgia. Unless we want to choke mainstream america to death with boredom then we have to use imaginative tactics like a Die-In.","author":"RedLibertad","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-20 21:04:25","modified":"2003-02-20 21:04:25","fileurl":""},{"id":30533,"heading":"Breakawayed?","article":"No, the portion of the breakaway I ran into was at Highland and Sunset, directly tied to the main rally area, and endangering a number of people who were simply trying to leave the area.\r\n\r\nThe suggestion that the Vietnam war protest 'failed' is completely ridiculous. Protest isn't perfect, but that protesting accomplished a number of social changes, and provided the support that heroes like 'Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg needed throughout his struggle (which did, in fact, end the war through freaking Nixon out enough he busted into Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office).\r\n\r\nIf you want excitement, how about disrupting the orderly activities of Fox News with a die-in? How about marching in front of Fox doing goosesteps and Heil Hitlers? How about compassionately berating people for peace in big malls? There are thousands of such opportunities to do something a bit more exciting, though if you ask me, Saturday's protest was plenty exciting on a whole bunch of levels.\r\n\r\nThe die-in's was not the problem. The intentional creation of a police riot was. At the very least, such shenanigans shouldn't be started up until the people who do not wish to participate can clear the area.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 02:28:15","modified":"2003-02-21 02:28:15","fileurl":""},{"id":30535,"heading":"And one more thing...","article":"Btw, the word 'hippie' is a slur invented by Newsweek or some other mainstream magazine to derogate an entire counter-culture, most of which was not at all 'hippie-like.' \r\n\r\nThere were people who tried to live communally, but why they should be called something they didn't call themselves remains to be clarified.\r\n\r\nTo use this term, and derogatorily at that, is to perpetuate what was a myth to begin with----one intended to disrupt the war protest.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 02:33:46","modified":"2003-02-21 02:33:46","fileurl":""},{"id":30640,"heading":"props","article":" I wanted to give props to the guy (I think he had dreads)who was beating the drum throughout the whole sunset breakaway.I think he kept morale and spirits high even though we all witnessed the evil tactics of the domestic terrorist(lapd).Also props to everyone who participated in the breakaway.\r\n REVOLUTION!","author":"antipig","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 18:32:42","modified":"2003-02-21 18:32:42","fileurl":""},{"id":30642,"heading":"props","article":" I wanted to give props to the guy(I think he had dreads)who was beating the drum throughout the whole sunset breakaway.I think he kept morale and spirits high even though we all witnessed the evil tacticts of the domestic terrorist(lapd).Also props to everyone who participated in the breakaway.\r\n REVOLUTION!","author":"antipig","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 18:45:33","modified":"2003-02-21 18:45:33","fileurl":""},{"id":30645,"heading":"Drums of hate","article":"The drummer at Highland and Sunset was making the situation worse, and I asked him to knock it off, which he, to his credit, eventually did.\r\n\r\nYou want to attack the LAPD? Gee, how come that wasn't a part of the peaceful demonstration? Because it is outright stupid.\r\n\r\nBtw, the cops are understaffed and underfunded. If you think you're going to get treated well, remember that they are all having pretty bad days. When police are understaffed, there are fewer voices of reason in the ranks. This is not to excuse the police their flaws, many inhuman and in violation of civil ethics. But attacking them just turns the ugly side out. \r\n\r\nBratton showed restraint, certainly compared to the new NY police chief. \r\n\r\nRevolution is an idiotic idea in the technological age. You are outgunned. Only surprising acts of peace will bring about the future you SAY you desire.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 19:02:06","modified":"2003-02-21 19:02:06","fileurl":""},{"id":30733,"heading":"attack?","article":" The only people who got attacked was the peaceful demonstraters.Nobody attacked the cops!","author":"antipig","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-22 02:49:45","modified":"2003-02-22 02:49:45","fileurl":""},{"id":30748,"heading":"Again, untrue","article":"No one attacked the police? Maybe not with helicopters. The would-be rioters at Highland\/Sunset were breaking up the police barracades, and throwing various pieces of it at the cops----along with a lot of invective, fingers, and stomping around looking foolish (to cops). \r\n\r\nThis is a long demonstration cycle, and the issue is NOT the LAPD. This summer, if things don't improve nationally, you can count on street riots and the flames we last saw with Rodney King. Then you can get your ya-ya's off and mazel tov. \r\n\r\nI don't support your violence; my only interest is in separating it from nonviolent protest, which has a different agenda, considerable wisdom, and a solid gold track record in several regards. \r\n\r\nIt is not 'BU ll SH it' to protest without fighting the police on their turf. It is effective...witness the delay in the war plans that has resulted, in great part due to an unprecedented turnout of generally-peaceful protesters worldwide.\r\n\r\nI just wish instead of fighting the police, people wishing to bend the law would do more constructive protest, like disrupting the fascist doings of Fox News somehow.","author":"Paul","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-22 04:35:28","modified":"2003-02-22 04:35:28","fileurl":""},{"id":30794,"heading":"COPS on over time 4 peace","article":"5 million tax dollars to protect us from ourselves in New York alone.\r\n","author":"FluxRostrum","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-22 19:11:52","modified":"2003-02-22 19:11:52","fileurl":""},{"id":30834,"heading":"Come gather","article":"Come gather 'round people\r\nWherever you roam\r\nAnd admit that the waters\r\nAround you have grown\r\nAnd accept it that soon\r\nYou'll be drenched to the bone.\r\nIf your time to you\r\nIs worth savin'\r\nThen you better start swimmin'\r\nOr you'll sink like a stone\r\nFor the times they are a-changin'.\r\n\r\nCome writers and critics\r\nWho prophesize with your pen\r\nAnd keep your eyes wide\r\nThe chance won't come again\r\nAnd don't speak too soon\r\nFor the wheel's still in spin\r\nAnd there's no tellin' who\r\nThat it's namin'.\r\nFor the loser now\r\nWill be later to win\r\nFor the times they are a-changin'.\r\n\r\nCome senators, congressmen\r\nPlease heed the call\r\nDon't stand in the doorway\r\nDon't block up the hall\r\nFor he that gets hurt\r\nWill be he who has stalled\r\nThere's a battle outside\r\nAnd it is ragin'.\r\nIt'll soon shake your windows\r\nAnd rattle your walls\r\nFor the times they are a-changin'.\r\n\r\nCome mothers and fathers\r\nThroughout the land\r\nAnd don't criticize\r\nWhat you can't understand\r\nYour sons and your daughters\r\nAre beyond your command\r\nYour old road is\r\nRapidly agin'.\r\nPlease get out of the new one\r\nIf you can't lend your hand\r\nFor the times they are a-changin'.\r\n\r\nThe line it is drawn\r\nThe curse it is cast\r\nThe slow one now\r\nWill later be fast\r\nAs the present now\r\nWill later be past\r\nThe order is\r\nRapidly fadin'.\r\nAnd the first one now\r\nWill later be last\r\nFor the times they are a-changin'.\r\n \r\n","author":"Mymicz","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-22 21:10:13","modified":"2003-02-22 21:10:13","fileurl":""},{"id":30960,"heading":"freaky!","article":" This is really freaky.Before I got on the computer i was just listening to that Bob Dylan song!","author":"antipig","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-23 01:19:14","modified":"2003-02-23 01:19:14","fileurl":""},{"id":33138,"heading":"Anyone in Glendale\/Los Angeles county...come out March 5th","article":"Rally\/Direct Action\/ against the pending war on Iraq. urge all people of conscience who oppose this war to use this day to rededicate themselves to the struggle in stopping the U.S. juggernaut of war and repression that threatens to unleash itself on the people of the world. On March 5th, everyone is asked to resist in anyway they can, to cross the line that hasn't been crossed in order to demonstrate their determination to prevent the carnage that will result if Bush and Co are able to carry out their plans.\r\n\r\nLOCATION:Glendale Community College\r\nVaquero Plaza\r\n1500 N. Verdugo Rd. \r\nGlendale CA 91208 \r\n\r\nTIME:12:00PM\r\nDATE:3\/5\/03 \r\n\r\nThe Black Bloc must show its presence and unity in Los Angeles! ","author":"NEOperversity","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-05 20:18:23","modified":"2003-03-05 20:18:23","fileurl":""},{"id":33942,"heading":"remember your rights","article":"bring your second admendment rights to the next protest.\r\nthe revolution will be won on the streets of LA\r\nLong live the patriots of the LA Black Bloc.\r\nSUPPORT YOUR LOCAL ANARCHIST\r\nDEFEAT THE STATE-RUN ANTICHRIST.","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-08 12:22:05","modified":"2003-03-08 12:22:05","fileurl":""},{"id":33943,"heading":"ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ahahahahahhahahhahhahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahahahhah","article":"\r\nYOU CAN KILL ME TODAY.-(s.t.)\r\nBUT YOU CAN NEVER KILL THE WORDS I SAY\r\nGIMME REVOLUTION\r\nFUCK THE CIA\r\nFUCK THE FBI\r\nBRING YOUR SECOND ADMENDMENT RIGHTS TO THE NEXT PROTEST.\r\nSUPPORT YOUR LOCAL ANARCHIST \r\nDEFEAT THE STATE RUN ANTICHRIST\r\nLONG LIVE THE LA BLACK BLOC","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-08 12:25:06","modified":"2003-03-08 12:25:06","fileurl":""},{"id":34154,"heading":"The Black Block is very white","article":""Hi, mom? I'm in jail and the (real) working class is now going to rape my frightened ass." \r\nLong live the middle class rebels! Anarchists against Jews! Send more trust fund checks daddy! ","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-09 03:28:35","modified":"2003-03-09 03:28:35","fileurl":""},{"id":34157,"heading":"Yeah!","article":"Cops are faggots.","author":"antipig","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-09 03:29:49","modified":"2003-03-09 03:29:49","fileurl":""},{"id":34185,"heading":"Peace is the answer","article":"Looks like Antipig is a homophobe. Educate yourself ,my friend.","author":"DeadHead","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-09 04:04:51","modified":"2003-03-09 04:04:51","fileurl":""},{"id":34523,"heading":"the real systemfailure","article":"be on the lookout for the real haters like the one above, that expound hate and bullshit under false monikers. Probally a fascist fbi agent in the cointel program, or just some joker 13 year old with a new computer.\r\nsupport your local anarchist","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-10 09:30:26","modified":"2003-03-10 09:30:26","fileurl":""},{"id":35991,"heading":"March 16th...NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR","article":"On March 16th at Pershing Square Downtown Los Angeles there will be an ANTI-WAR march...Black Block must show its presence and unity. I will be passing out flyers to many at the mass march on the 15th in Downtown...","author":"NEOperversity","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-16 07:27:57","modified":"2003-03-16 07:27:57","fileurl":""},{"id":35999,"heading":"Now repeat after me...","article":"\r\n"The Matrix" was only a movie.\r\n"The Matrix" was only a movie.\r\n"The Matrix" was only a movie.\r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-16 07:45:03","modified":"2003-03-16 07:45:03","fileurl":""},{"id":36009,"heading":"Ping ping hackadellic","article":"what s up simon......hee hee\r\nnice try.\r\n,.\r\nhows this paraphrase.............\r\nsucka\r\n.\r\n.\r\n\r\nI know you're out there\r\n.\r\nWatching, waiting, wanting\r\n.\r\nWanting our freedom\r\n.\r\nI can feel you now\r\n.\r\nI can feel your heart, your heat, your hesitation\r\n.\r\nAnd I know your afraid\r\n.\r\nI know what your're afraid of\r\n.\r\nYou're afraid of us\r\n.\r\nYour're 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=-=-=-=-=-=-\r\n.\r\n.\r\n.\r\n.\r\ns**Y**S**t^^^E**m======F*^A**i^&^^L**^U**r*&*e**** ****\r\nSYSTEM FAILURE>>>>>STSTEM FAILURE>>>>>SYSSYTEM\r\nFAILYURE.......................................... ................\r\n......................``` ","author":"systemfailure","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-16 11:43:14","modified":"2003-03-16 11:43:14","fileurl":""},{"id":36049,"heading":"That's what happens...","article":"When the pharmacy replaces parental responsibility.\r\n\r\nThe Ritalin generation has arrived.\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-16 18:19:11","modified":"2003-03-16 18:19:11","fileurl":""},{"id":36057,"heading":"Hey The war's a blessing in disguise","article":"No need to wait for the yearly economic summit any more - "The War" gives the lefties an excuse to "protest" on a weekly basis.\r\n\r\n","author":"MadMaxim","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-16 18:51:03","modified":"2003-03-16 18:51:03","fileurl":""},{"id":36186,"heading":"Opposite","article":"Some pic from the rally","author":"In MY Name","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-03-17 06:02:37","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:53","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/letsroll.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/03\/letsroll.jpg"}},{"id":39227,"heading":"re. the photo","article":"the guy being assaulted is actually a friend of mine, and apparently the cops-- four of them-- ganged up on him and ended up breaking his elbow. when he filed a suit, his case was rejected by the judge.","author":"sarah","parent_id":29308,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-24 05:53:24","modified":"2003-03-24 05:53:24","fileurl":""}]}