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A\r\nmessage for those who protest to prevent war against Saddam Feb 12, 2003<\/p>\r\n The current outburst\r\nof antiwar activities in Europe, USA and some Arab countries is confusing the\r\npublic opinion in the world and misguiding people about the realities of the\r\nbarbaric regime of Iraq and the real aspirations of Iraqi peoples including\r\nKurds and Arabs and the prospects for regime change in Iraq.<\/p>\r\n Peace Mongers have\r\nlost the moral and ethical right to speak or demonstrate against the war. They\r\nare not demonstrating against the war but they are demonstrating to save Saddam\r\nHussein and his barbaric regime .They are using their anti Americanism\r\nsentiment, to prevent the possibility of toppling the brutal regime of Saddam\r\nHussein, and are trying relentlessly to portray it as a war for oil resources in\r\nIraq and depict the criminal regime of Iraq as a victim of American hegemony.<\/p>\r\n Some of Organizers of\r\nthese so called anti- war demonstrations are presumably on Saddam Hussein's\r\nPayrolls, for Saddam Hussein and his cronies are very clever in recruiting\r\nconsulting firms and lobbying institutions to mislead the public opinion in\r\nEurope and America and portray this war which is intended to free Iraqi people\r\nand destroy the weapons of mass destruction as a war against the innocent people\r\nof Iraq, who are the truly victims of bloody regime of Saddam Hussein. If they\r\nare really peace- loving people and anti- war activists, let them try answering\r\nsome of these these questions: 2- Four million\r\nIraqis so far have escaped from Iraq because of Saddam Hussein into exile to\r\nsave their lives. Why they didn't ask about the reason?<\/p>\r\n 3- Saddam Hussein\r\ndeported tens of thousands of Iraqi Faily Kurds, confiscated their property and\r\nabducted over 20,000 young Faily Kurds to unknown destinations. Leaving their\r\nfamilies in a limbo. Why they never demonstrated against such a Barbaric Act?<\/p>\r\n 4- Saddam Hussein\r\ncommitted genocide in Iraqi Kurdistan and abducted 180,000 Kurdish women,\r\nchildren and men in the notorious Anfal campaigns of 1986-1988, and buried them\r\nalive in mass graves. Why they never demonstrated against this Barbaric Act?<\/p>\r\n 5- Saddam Hussein\r\ngassed the City of Halabja killing 5000 women children and men in a few minutes\r\nin 1988,and tens of thousands with permanent disabilities and diseases. Why they\r\nnever demonstrated against this Barbaric Act?<\/p>\r\n 6- Saddam Hussein\r\nwaged an eight-year unwarranted war against Iranian People 1980-1988. Well, no\r\none demonstrated against it. He was hailed as a hero and a champion of\r\nsecularism by western countries.<\/p>\r\n 7- Saddam Hussein\r\ninvaded Kuwait und swallowed an independent and sovereign state but no one\r\ndemonstrated against it. But after International Forces assembled to liberate\r\nKuwait, anti war Peace Mongers appeared on the scene protesting against the War.<\/p>\r\n 8- Why these Peace\r\nMongers don't go to Saddam Hussein to reason with him to give up his power to\r\navoid war and save Iraqi people?<\/p>\r\n 9- Saddam Hussein\r\nbeheaded thousands of innocent Iraqi women opposed to his regime in front of\r\ntheir children and families with impunity and labeled them as prostitutes. Why\r\nthey never protested against this barbaric act?<\/p>\r\n 10- Saddam Hussein\r\nkilled thousands of political prisoners to death with gas and firing squads in\r\nthe campaign of cleansing prisons because of complaints that prisons are\r\novercrowded, only recently in 2001. Why they didn't come out to demonstrate\r\nagainst this barbaric act?<\/p>\r\n 11- Now Saddam\r\nHussein holds hundreds of thousands of political prisoners. Why they don't\r\nprotest to free them?<\/p>\r\n 12- Saddam Hussein\r\nassassinated hundreds of Shiite scholars of Holly Cities of Kerbala and Nejaf.\r\nBut no one protested against it.<\/p>\r\n 13- During the\r\nUprising of 1991, Saddam Hussein buried hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shiites\r\nalive. But no one protested against it.<\/p>\r\n 14- Saddam Hussein\r\nhas made a law to give excuse to any man to rape a woman relative and then\r\nmurder her in the name of saving the honour of the family according to Saddam\r\nHussein's Tribal Tradition. Why these Peace Mongers don't demonstrate against\r\nthat?<\/p>\r\n 15- Why these Peace\r\nMongers don't go to reason with Saddam Hussein to call on a general election\r\nsupervised by International Community to avoid war.<\/p>\r\n 16- Why these Peace\r\nMongers don't go to Saddam Hussein to reason with him to implement UN Security\r\nResolution 688 to end repression in Iraq establish the rule of the law and\r\nrespect basic human rights?<\/p>\r\n 17- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protested against German Government for training Saddam Hussein's\r\nSecurity Apparatus on the art of torture and the use of electrical torture\r\ninstruments against Political Prisoners, and for providing laboratories for\r\nchemical and biological weapons.<\/p>\r\n 18- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protested against French Government for helping Saddam Hussein and\r\ndoing business with him, against Iraqi people for the last 30 years? Why they\r\ndon't protest against Mr.Chirac, the (friend) of Saddam Hussein, as he called\r\nhimself once.<\/p>\r\n 19- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protested against Russians for sucking Iraqi peoples' blood for\r\nthe last thirty years and supplying Saddam Hussein with deadly instruments of\r\nwar from Russian Military Scrape Yards?<\/p>\r\n 20- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protested against Ethnic Cleansing Policy of Saddam Hussein. He\r\nhas forced thousands of Kurdish, Turkman and Assyrians families to leave their\r\nhomes and properties in Kirkuk, Khanaquin, Mandaly, Sinjar for Arab Tribes of\r\nSaddam Hussein.<\/p>\r\n 21- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protested against Turkey for collaborating with Saddam Hussein\r\nagainst Iraqi Kurdish people.<\/p>\r\n 22- Why these Peace\r\nMongers never protest against Turkey for threatening Iraqi Kurdistan's\r\nDemocratic Experiment. Iraqi Kurdistan's Democratic Experiment in ten years has\r\novertaken 80 years of Turks in the field of Democracy and Civil Society. It can\r\nbecome a driving force to bring democracy, stability, peace and civil society to\r\npost-Saddam Iraq.<\/p>\r\n 23.Why they didn't\r\nprotest the demolition and burning of 4000 Kurdish villages in Iraqi Kurdistan .<\/p>\r\n 24.Why are they not\r\ndemonstrating to bring Saddam and his Thugs before an International Tribunal to\r\nbe tried for crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide?<\/p>\r\n 25.Why is it feasible\r\nfor Iraqi people to live under the tyranny of Saddam Hussein and for iraqi\r\nChildren to die because Saddam Hussein does not want to by medications and\r\ninsist on using iraqi people als hostages to save his regime, and why is\r\ndemocracy impossible for Iraq from your( humanitarian) point of view?<\/p>\r\n 26. Why are western\r\njournalist ask helpless Iraqi people about their opinion about war when these\r\nare surrounded by a dozen of Iraqi security agents and portray this in Europe as\r\nthe true opinion of Iraqi peoples. Why are you not protesting for free speech in\r\nIraq?<\/p>\r\n 27.Saddam Hussein\r\ndiverted Tigris and Euphrates and drained out the Marshes in south Iraq, a\r\nunique ecological system of more than 5 thousand years, just to suppress the\r\nShiite opposition in south Iraq. Why they didn't demonstrate to prevent this\r\necological and human catastrophe?<\/p>\r\n These are not genuine\r\npeace- loving and anti -war people. They are not interested in the welfare of 23\r\nmillions of Iraqi people and condemn them to death and continued suppression.<\/p>\r\n They are only\r\ninterested in their illusions, and probably for some the handouts which they\r\nreceive from Saddam Hussein and his thugs. Hindu\r\nSitah<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/html","summary":"A message for those who protest to prevent war against Saddam","numcomment":32,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/02\/29124.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":29126,"heading":"WRONG","article":"we are the only ones interested in the safety of these people, Bush was never interested, his family and friends made Sadam who he is. You have been officially played by the war machine, how does it feel? How many more Iraqi's have to die. The Israeli's could take out Sadam in 5 minutes flat, we don't have to kill all those people to do it. To say inspections won't work, is to say that peace will never work. UN peacekeepers could potentially empower the people to do something about their own dictator. We cannot do it for them, we've done enough meddling to destroy the region already. I feel sad for those who can't see how the Corporate world has trapped us into this fear and war. It's all about money, you have to know that. No life mattered before to anyone BUT us Human rights activists. It certainly doesn't matter to Bush. 400,000 Americans are sick from Gulf War syndrome. Bush's uncle sold the suits that were supposed to protect them that were either undistributed or defective. How much more evil can you get. We have to stop acceding to Bush's stupidity just because he is an American. The two dictators are equally stupid and should both be tried. Bush's grandfather was a Nazi collaborator for profit, the apples don't fall too far from the tree.","author":"mymicz","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 20:21:54","modified":"2003-02-15 20:21:54","fileurl":""},{"id":29128,"heading":"Dear Dr. Death","article":"Since the proposed attack on Iraq is a clear violation of the UN Charter (Chapter VII, Article 51), and since the proposed "Shock and Awe" attack proposed by the US which calls for 800 cruise missles to rain down on Baghdad within two days, undoubtedly killing thousands of innocent civilians- a violation of several international law and treaties, a war crime, and a crime against humanity, and since the current US rulers are considering using weapons of mass destruction (nuclear), what would remain to prevent a military dictatorship like Pakistan or Korea from preemptively attacking its neighbors?\r\n\r\nMore directly, if you support killing people without the support of the world community, and without any basis in law, what reason remains that would prevent me from kicking your fascist punk ass from here to San Antonio?","author":"Fascism is Doomed to Failure","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-15 20:32:04","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:33","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/no_war.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/no_war.jpg"}},{"id":29133,"heading":"Dr.Nazad Hawramany\r Kurdistan observer\r","article":"You can take your sanctimonious\r\nchocolate and cheese eating ass\r\nback to the 'neutral' slopes of\r\nyour little banking kingdom.\r\nYour government was no friend\r\nto democracy when you were sucking\r\nup gold from the third reich, and\r\nprolonging the war while turning\r\naway jews during the slaughter.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 21:37:06","modified":"2003-02-15 21:37:06","fileurl":""},{"id":29136,"heading":"Dear Fascism Is Doomed","article":"What a riot you are. Of course, your right, fascists like Saddam are doomed to failure. . . notwithstanding the Left's support for him!\r\n\r\nBut more to the point, this war will not be in violation of international law. . . it will be to ENFORCE international law, ie. 17 UN resolutions!\r\n\r\nIf civilians die, it will be because the war criminal Saddam Hussein puts military targets in civilian neighborhoods, in violation of international law.\r\n\r\nIf you cared about crimes against humanity, you would not have supported the likes of Stalin, Castro, Mao, Ho, and now, Saddam. Yet you have and do. What are we to assume? ","author":"Jay Lowe","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 22:04:49","modified":"2003-02-15 22:04:49","fileurl":""},{"id":29139,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"JBlo: "If civilians die, it will be because the war criminal Saddam Hussein puts military targets in civilian neighborhoods, in violation of international law. "\r\n\r\n\r\nWell, I guess an idiot like you has a lotta lies you gotta tell youself everyday just so YOU can continue to believe them...\r\n\r\n...you're a shit, JBlo, this post puts the lie to your and your ilk's feigned concern for the Iraqi people","author":"KPC","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 22:11:38","modified":"2003-02-15 22:11:38","fileurl":""},{"id":29141,"heading":"Jay Lowe","article":"I'll just assume that you are a\r\nnit wit. Hint; ( a nit is a louse egg)\r\nWhat a twisted leap of 'reasoning' to \r\nequate the reluctance to massacre civilians\r\nto the approval of mass murderers.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 22:20:48","modified":"2003-02-15 22:20:48","fileurl":""},{"id":29143,"heading":"Dear Jay","article":"Your arguements are as weak as Anus Powell's plagerised dossiers. To say that the US has the right to violate the UN CHARTER in order to enforce UN resolutions, is like saying that Geedubya has the right to violate the US Constitution under the auspices of the Fascist Patriot Act. No country has killed more innocent civilians, or violently overthrown more democratically elected governments than the US. No country has blocked more UN resolutions and Inetnational Criminal Court rulings than the US. \r\n\r\nClaiming that I have supported the list your heros is rediculous, as I wasn't even alive when many of them were in power. If you support murdering thousands of innocent people because some chimp of a coked-up hillbilly says so, why not drag your twisted, cowardly ass down to the demo to explain that to me. My boot doesn't care whether it is kicking your ass south of the Pecos, or that of the good Doctor Death.\r\n\r\nI don't know who this "we" is that you mention unless you are speaking French, but when YOU assume something, YOU make an ASS of YOU, not me.","author":"DOOMED I SAY!","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-15 22:33:06","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:33","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/wanted.jpgjamhub.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/wanted.jpgjamhub.jpg"}},{"id":29146,"heading":"In Addition...","article":"","author":"DOOOOMED!!!","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-15 22:41:21","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:34","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bush_knew_sign.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/bush_knew_sign.jpg"}},{"id":29147,"heading":"As Well As...","article":"","author":"Fuck Fascism!","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-15 22:43:11","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:34","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/sunken_ship.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/sunken_ship.jpg"}},{"id":29153,"heading":"Can we say Propaganda","article":"This is an old C.I.A. trick started back duing the Vietnam protests. You hire a shill to write a piece for a local news outlet and then push it into other venues.\r\n\r\nNo one argues the fact that Saddam the shoeshine boy is a depraved lunatic. However, Bush I left him in power when the Third Armored Corp had 60 miles of open Desert between them and Baghdad. He then encouraged the Shias in the South and Kurds in the North to rebel against Saddam - and when they did he stood back and enjoyed the fun as they were massacred.\r\n\r\nNo one should be under the illusion that this war is being conducted for humanitarian purposes.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-15 23:59:08","modified":"2003-02-15 23:59:08","fileurl":""},{"id":29194,"heading":"correction","article":"He stood back ...\r\n\r\n...while Saddam used the Helicopters that he purchased from the US ("Iraqgate" [ask Powell, he was there]) to kill any dissension.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Rowell, H.A.","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-16 08:18:10","modified":"2003-02-16 08:18:10","fileurl":""},{"id":29229,"heading":"Oh My Lord","article":"Ff the iraqi people want the US to invade iraq in order to depose saddam hussein for war crimes AND if they are willing to fight... im all for it. \r\n\r\ni am however, opposed to the US invading under the premise that Iraq is a threat to this world and I am opposed to having the US set the terms for Iraq's post-Saddam political nature. I am sickened by how George W. Bush uses the idea of "liberation of the Iraqi people" as a reason for war considering that he doesnt really care about the people.","author":"Steven SeagaHl","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-16 22:54:35","modified":"2003-02-16 22:54:35","fileurl":""},{"id":29234,"heading":"Why the war?","article":"First of all, let me say that I don't think, and didn't ever think, that war is the first option for the Bush Administration. They've been trying to get Saddam to blink, and high-tail it to Libya or Syria with his billions in Swiss accounts.\n\nFailing that, we will invade. \n\nAs Diogenes said, "No one argues the fact that Saddam the shoeshine boy is a depraved lunatic."\n\nLiberals just don't want to do anything about it. They'd rather let the depraved lunatic operate without restraint. It's interesting that the left agrees he's an unstable lunatic, but that's where they stop. They don't want to do anything about removing the lunatic.","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-16 23:59:57","modified":"2003-02-16 23:59:57","fileurl":""},{"id":29243,"heading":"Without restraint?","article":"He can't fart without permission & protection\r\nwith CIA or CIA proxy hit teams out.\r\nThe people are just waiting for the loud noises\r\nto begin. \r\nThere is so much fire power ringing\r\nthat beaten, starving, ravaged nation it's a\r\nwonder someone hasn't triped yet over their own dick.\r\nBut I'm sure there are a few who salavate at \r\nthe prospect of an 'incident' or 'event'.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 01:09:11","modified":"2003-02-17 01:09:11","fileurl":""},{"id":29300,"heading":"Want Saddam Out?","article":"Find his location, isolate it, provide protection for people wanting out of the siege and wait for the bastard to either surrender or be killed by his bodyguards.\r\nA minimum of fuss and minimum of "collateral damage" i.e., dead innocents.","author":"Diogenes","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 05:13:18","modified":"2003-02-17 05:13:18","fileurl":""},{"id":29420,"heading":"The fate of the war ultimately rests in Husseins hands","article":"I see the rallies and people that portray President Bush as a warmonger and a greedy man who wishes only to take the oil of Iraq. \r\nI find this concept ludicrous and downright wrong. \r\nIt seems that people have no concept of the moral integrity our president is showing by evoking the ridicule of our countries peers by standing up for it's commitments as put forth in the resolutions the entire UN agreed to and adopted. \r\nTo go to war with Iraq for the cause of liberation, global security and undeniable duty upholds the principles which is the basis for all free countries. \r\nSaddam has taken the freedom from his people and rules through terrorist acts of violence and barbarity. \r\nIf a serial killer was stalking our streets we would do everything in our capabilities to find him and have justice dealt to him. Out of fear of our own safety if for no other reason. \r\nWell we have a serial killer before us. Saddam is that serial killer. He has murdered his neighbors, his colleagues, even members of his own immediate family. He has used chemical weapons on his own people. The very people who he is supposed to protect. He has done this for no other reason than to bring them into compliance. He has done to his own people far worse than we would do in the event of war. We would be saving thousands of Iraqi lives. \r\nIf Saddam is able to continue to produce more biological and chemical weapons, not to mention nuclear weapons, he will endanger not thousands or even hundreds of thousands, but millions, and I stress MILLIONS of lives, even yours, and your mothers and your sons, or daughters, wife, or husband. Friends, and family will all be under a fatal threat by a regime that views Americans as it's worst enemy. A country that drops chemical weapons on it's own citizens. By a man who took his children into an Iraqi prison handed them guns and forced them to commit murder by executing political prisoners with their child hands. Raising them to be more vicious then he himself. These are the people who will be in control of these terrible weapons. If they will use such violence against their own citizens and neighbors think of the things he would do to us, if not through deliberate attacks then through terrorist channels. \r\nSeptember 11, made the proud people of this country feel terrified, and insecure. We hope to forget that tragedy and we become complacent. Yet we are now under a greater threat than ever before. A threat no jumbo jet could compare to. This threat is not caused by President Bush. The consequences Iraq faces for non compliance is the only driving force in it's recent concessions to UN weapons inspectors. If we cannot talk Saddam out of his weapons, or even into compliance, we MUST be ready to support our President in this time of vulnerability. To be divided endangers not only ourselves but our soldiers in the field, one of which is my own brother. It is utterly disheartening to a soldier to see his\/her own brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers show no support to them in their time of greatest need, a time when Americans should rally to their cause. We sap their strength, and we sap their courage, and make them question themselves when they need their wits and courage the most. When they need to be focused. \r\nIf we DO go to war, and I hope we do not, we need to be behind our President and behind our brothers and sisters in the field. We need to show them our support. We need them to know they are doing the right thing. \r\nI said my goodbyes last week to my brother when he shipped out for the Middle East. I let him know that I was behind him. And in the event that we would never see each other again he told me that he was confident that he was doing what was necessary to assure the safety of his family, of his wife and three little girls. He has no doubts about this cause, and if he does meet his end in this fight for a cause "we all" should believe in, he will have no regrets. \r\nIn conclusion, I hope beyond hopes that if not the world, than at least our citizens can set aside their differences and come together as one people, to rally behind this cause that is not about oil or power, but about protecting the world and ourselves against murderers, terrorists and tyrants. We are not thieves who would take by force the resources of others. We are liberators who would give something more valuable than gold. Security, happiness, and FREEDOM. \r\nThank you for listening and I hope you will pass this on to the public. \r\nSincerely, Joab Rubio of Utah \r\n\r\nJust as a side note. We do NOT wish the deaths of innocent Iraqi civilians. In the event of war we will do every thing in our power to prevent the deaths of innocents. Furthermore, I am sure we can all remember the interviews Saddam did with reporters during the Gulf War that showed him using children as human shields to prevent assassination attempts. He hid behind those children to protect himself. \r\nHe has the luxury of choosing his battleground we do not. He has chosen once again to use innocents as human shields. He has decided to barricade himself inside the walls of Bagdad to hide behind civilians. \r\nHe could choose exile and ALL war would be prevented. Alternatively, he could choose total compliance with the UN. an easy thing to do. South Africa did just this and look at them now, they enjoy the freedom of democracy, thank's in no small part to the U.S.A.. They even attend UN meetings. But if he chooses to defy and endanger. The lives lost will be on his head. Yes we will try to prevent innocent deaths, but he will not. You can be assured of that.\r\n\r\n","author":"Joab Rubio","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 11:40:18","modified":"2003-02-17 11:40:18","fileurl":""},{"id":29423,"heading":"No cruise missiles heading to Switzerland","article":"You must be feeling nice and safe there in Switzerland,\r\nDr. Hawramany.\r\n\r\nBush has tried to sell this war based on WMD, because\r\nthey can't manage to fake a justification in international law \r\nfor "regime change". If they were really just motivated\r\nby regime change, they wouldn't have protected Saddam\r\nwhen he attacked the rebels in 1991, and they would end\r\nthe sanctions, which only strengthen him.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:08:50","modified":"2003-02-17 12:08:50","fileurl":""},{"id":29424,"heading":"truthteller","article":"um, explain how sanctions strengthen saddam, and we did not protect saddam againsts rebels in 1991, you dirty liar!","author":"tells lies","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:14:13","modified":"2003-02-17 12:14:13","fileurl":""},{"id":29426,"heading":"Jay Lowe is an idiot","article":""If civilians die, it will be because the war criminal Saddam Hussein puts military targets in civilian neighborhoods\r\nin violation of international law."\r\n\r\nThe U.S. military will launch 800 cruise missiles in the\r\nfirst two days. Are you claiming that, if any of them hit\r\ncivilians, it will *necesarily* be because they were\r\nintentionally aimed at civilian neighborhoods because\r\nSaddam Hussein put military targets there, and that the\r\nlatter is illegal but the former isn't? You must really\r\nwork at being that stupid. Can you even name a single\r\n"international law"? (Other than UN Resolution 1441 --\r\nwhich the U.S. is in violation of by not providing the\r\ninspectors with intelligence information.)\r\n\r\nThe first rule of international law is that unprovoked\r\ninitiation of aggression is illegal -- which we've already\r\nviolated in Iraq by bombing the "no fly zones", a concept\r\ncreated by the U.S. and never authorized by the U.N.\r\n","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:20:07","modified":"2003-02-17 12:20:07","fileurl":""},{"id":29428,"heading":"explanations for lowlifes","article":""um, explain how sanctions strengthen saddam"\r\n\r\nHe has a monopoly on supply.\r\n\r\n"and we did not protect saddam againsts rebels in 1991\r\n, you dirty liar!"\r\n\r\nThen how did he succeed in crushing them when\r\nwe had an overwhelming advantage and yet\r\nwithdrew? The fact is that you're a complete and\r\nutter ignoramus who knows nothing of the events\r\nof the time; all you can do is bark. Go hang out\r\nwith the other lowlifes in the nearest bar -- you don't\r\nbelong here.\r\n","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:31:13","modified":"2003-02-17 12:31:13","fileurl":""},{"id":29429,"heading":"Bush's "moral integrity"","article":"Go take a look at\r\nhttp:\/\/www.thesmokinggun.com\/bush\/bush.shtml\r\nto see his "moral integrity".","author":"truth tellet","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:34:54","modified":"2003-02-17 12:34:54","fileurl":""},{"id":29431,"heading":"i thought i was an idiot","article":"sanctions weaken his country as a whole, his military cannot function with a weak economy, cuz how can they buy weapons, get more recruits, etc, plus if you want to get rid of sanctions which hurt the iraqi civilians, then lets get rid of saddam..\r\n\r\nyoure talking about the kurds, yes, well, thanks to liberals we couldnt help them, because that would be ``interfering in a soveign country'' and you dirty vietnam anti-war protesters would be everywhere, plus we support the state of iraq, not thousands of seperate countries in iraq based on what groups exist where.","author":"but im surpassed by truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:44:05","modified":"2003-02-17 12:44:05","fileurl":""},{"id":29432,"heading":"one more thing","article":"i forgot, if saddam didnt have sanctions, would he still have a monopoly on supply?! the answer is yes, idiot","author":"idiotramus","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:45:51","modified":"2003-02-17 12:45:51","fileurl":""},{"id":29434,"heading":""i thought i was an idiot"","article":"You were right.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:47:59","modified":"2003-02-17 12:47:59","fileurl":""},{"id":29437,"heading":"The answer is "yes, you're an idiot"","article":""i forgot, if saddam didnt have sanctions, would he still have a monopoly on supply?! the answer is yes"\r\n\r\nI can see that the basics are quite beyond you.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:49:31","modified":"2003-02-17 12:49:31","fileurl":""},{"id":29438,"heading":"truthgayler","article":"you frickin retard, you used that as a reason why saddam gets stronger, but now ive proved that hes weaker, are you freakin dumb? YES","author":"truthgayler","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:51:06","modified":"2003-02-17 12:51:06","fileurl":""},{"id":29443,"heading":"Q.E.D.","article":"If you've proved anything it's that , as Geoge Tenet said,\r\nSaddam is no threat to us. But the sanctions do\r\nstrengthen his hold over the people of Iraq, as has\r\nbeen pointed out by Scott Ritter and others.\r\n\r\nAs I expect that none of your other postings will be any\r\nmore informed or reasoned than the previous ones,\r\nI'll leave to you rant without me.","author":"truth teller","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 12:59:59","modified":"2003-02-17 12:59:59","fileurl":""},{"id":29445,"heading":"sorry for calling you an idiot so many times","article":"Saddam may not be a threat to us now, but what about his weapons, what about when he hands them off to his terrorist friends, what about when his regime collapses, what will he do then? Go peacefully or take out everything, i dont know, but hes a definate threat to us. Do you notice what N Korea is doing, blackmailing us for everything, threatening war if they dont get what they want. Even though they havent attacked yet, its ruled by a messed up dictator who will DEFINATELY use his weapons once something bad goes his way. Can we have another N Korea on our hands?\r\n\r\nScott Ritter is a joke, he molested children and he obviously is being paid off by the Iraqis.\r\n\r\nThanks for gracefully bowing out to the master debater, ME!","author":"I'M the idiot","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 13:07:30","modified":"2003-02-17 13:07:30","fileurl":""},{"id":29515,"heading":"Mr. Mas rebater","article":"You got wasted.\r\nNice try. \r\nNow clean up that mess. \r\nSnap it up.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 16:42:22","modified":"2003-02-17 16:42:22","fileurl":""},{"id":29545,"heading":"Observer?","article":"Dear "doctor" in Switzerland,\r\n\r\nYou call yourself an "observer", yet you are not very observant of the messages of the demonstrators in the United States. .\r\n\r\nIn the United States, this is supposed to be a government of the People, by the People, and for the People. We are protesting our own government, because our government's foreign policies are unjust. Many people have protested against the other injustices which you have named, but then, as now, our government did not listen to us. You are simply seeing more protesters at this time because more people are tired of being ignored.\r\n\r\nIn the United States we supposedly live in democracy, but it is not without limitations. Our government does not represent us, the people. Our Congress, whom we pay with our tax dollars, now "votes its conscience" rather than represents its constituents. Our government suppresses our movement and our speech. Our government is owned by corporations, who also own the mainstream media, thereby making the media's message and the government's message one-in-the-same, which is why you never heard the voices of the protesters before.\r\n\r\nYou say that we have no right to protest. How convenient for you to sit in Switzerland and criticize the people of the United States for dissenting against our own government. Are you an American citizen? \r\n\r\nI thank God for the millions of Americans who have finally had enough of our corrupt, corporate, Capitalist rule and are willing to exercise their right to proclaim their dissenting view. They are the true patriots.","author":"Sister J","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-17 18:03:30","modified":"2003-02-17 18:03:30","fileurl":""},{"id":29607,"heading":"Bush Admirer- In her own words","article":"Bus Lover summed up her position when she says: \r\n\r\n "First of all, let me say that I don't think, and didn't ever think..."","author":"lickbushnow","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-02-17 21:55:58","modified":"2005-08-15 01:10:34","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/ifionlyhadabrain-bush.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/02\/ifionlyhadabrain-bush.jpg"}},{"id":29702,"heading":"Do you really believe those lies?","article":"Saddam doesnt have any terrorist firends,you moron. Atleast TRY to think for yourself!Pluuuuease!","author":"howdy","parent_id":29124,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-18 02:23:22","modified":"2003-02-18 02:23:22","fileurl":""}]}
\r\nDr.Nazad Hawramany
\r\nKurdistan observer<\/em><\/p>\r\n
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\r\n1- Saddam Hussein and his Ba`ath regime has murdered over 2 millions of Iraqis\r\nin the last 35 years. Why they never protested?<\/p>\r\n
\r\nI wish you were fairer to peoples of Kurdistan and Iraq
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\r\nDr.Nazad Hawramany
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\r\nSwitzerland
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