{"article":{"id":26765,"heading":"Curious","author":"Joe B.","created":"2003-01-21 21:03:44","modified":"2003-01-23 19:05:16","last_modified":"Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:05:16","article":"

So what is the Left's plan to get rid of this murderous despot?

Or are they okay with him continuing to terrorize the people of Iraq?

We know you don't like Bush's plan. . . let's hear yours!<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"yes, yes, we all agree Saddam's a BAD guy. . .","numcomment":13,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2003\/01\/26765.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":26778,"heading":"Reply","article":"Some sound, cost-effective alternatives to war in Iraq:\r\n\r\n\u00b7 Threaten Saddam Hussein with indictment. \r\n\r\n\u00b7 Give Saddam an alternative for safe passage at the same time; this may create a crack in the ruling class-clan.\r\n\r\n\u00b7 Send a list of thirty his aides who are persona non grata and demand that they leave the country with him. This can convince the rest of the class-clan \r\nmembers that they are not threatened en masse--only those who were most responsible for the regime\u2019s offenses.\r\n\r\n\u00b7 Encourage this class-clan to oust Saddam into exile. \r\n\r\n\u00b7 Offer a mini-Marshall plan provided that power is transferred to a civilian, interim government. The plan would be far less costly than the projected $200 billion for war and occupation. It would help rebuild the \r\nnation, and could help further split the ruling class-clan and encourage a meaningful change of hands at the top. \r\n\r\n\u00b7 Back these actions with a threat of force. A few warning shots may well be sufficient. This would help split the ruling group and get the people to take \r\nmatters into their hands. This political pressure would hasten the process along.\r\n\r\n \r\n","author":"007","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 21:43:12","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:07","fileurl":""},{"id":26779,"heading":"That sounds","article":"Exactly like what the Bush administration is doing. . . and being excoriated for!\r\n","author":"Joe","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 21:46:21","modified":"2003-01-21 21:46:21","fileurl":""},{"id":26780,"heading":"ICC","article":"Is the goal of the "War" regime change? or is it to rid Iraq of WMD? d\r\n\r\nRegime Change scenerio:\r\n\r\nI heard Bush say before the election that we would not be in the buisness of Nation Building, and that we would not be the world's police man. However it appears that is exactly what he and the administration is doing. \r\n \r\nI would advocate the idea of the International Criminal Court. This body would be able to try people, like Saddam, for war crimes. However, the Bush administration "unsigned" this treaty. Go figure? Now we are going to spend 200 billion to invade Iraq.\r\n\r\nPerhaps if Saddam went to a ICC, US corporations would be found complicit to the crimes that our adminstration is charging him with. Who provided Saddam with the means to gas the Kurds? An criminal investigation would uncover such things.\r\n\r\nWMD scenerio:\r\n\r\nInspections are working and have worked in the past. I say that we continue with those avenues. ","author":"Duff","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 22:12:23","modified":"2003-01-21 22:12:23","fileurl":""},{"id":26783,"heading":""So what is the Left's plan to get rid of this murderous despot?"","article":"The only murderous, unelected, appointed, spolied frat-boy despot we need to worry about is the INSIDER TRAITOR in the White House. Saddam is simply his scapegoat.\r\n\r\nBUSH stands for Beat Up Saddam Hussein.","author":"Focus","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 22:28:36","modified":"2003-01-21 22:28:36","fileurl":""},{"id":26785,"heading":"So","article":"Focus sees nothing wrong with leaving Saddam in charge to terrorize his people. No surprise.","author":"Joe B","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 22:38:35","modified":"2003-01-21 22:38:35","fileurl":""},{"id":26786,"heading":"And duff","article":"why has there been no tribunal against Saddam -- as there was with Serbian war criminals?\r\n\r\nWhy has the international community done nothing in that regard?\r\n\r\nSounds like your suggestion is still born. ","author":"Joe","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 22:41:13","modified":"2003-01-21 22:41:13","fileurl":""},{"id":26788,"heading":"Followup Question to Joe","article":"You complain that people like Focus, in your words, have no problem leaving Saddam to terrorize his own people.\r\n\r\nBut this opens up a broader question. Are we going to start overseeing *every* world government and regime? Are we really going to take responsibility for all of the evil dictators in the world?\r\n\r\nI can think of several evil dictatorial leaders off the top of my head. I can also think of a few elected leaders who oppress significant percentages of their population. How will we determine a metric for whether or not a leader is worthy of ruling?\r\n","author":"Curious","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 22:44:24","modified":"2003-01-21 22:44:24","fileurl":""},{"id":26792,"heading":"Curious","article":"Didn't answer the question did you?\r\n\r\nAre you content to let Saddam Hussein brutalize the people of Iraq for 20 more years?\r\n\r\nI'm not.\r\n\r\nIf you're not, then what are you proposing to do about it.\r\n\r\nDon't change the subject now!\r\n\r\n(BTW, Iraq didn't sign on to the International War Crimes Treaty, so Duff's idea was completely useless. Oh well. What's one more sadistic dictator?)","author":"Joe","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-21 23:39:46","modified":"2003-01-21 23:39:46","fileurl":""},{"id":26883,"heading":"Sounds like","article":"The Left is perfectly content to let the Saddam terrorize the people of Iraq.\r\n\r\nNo surprise. . . you guys are happy to let Castro terrorize the people of Cuba, and supported Stalin as he murdered 30 million Soviets!\r\n\r\nSick puppies!","author":"Joe B.","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-22 11:23:22","modified":"2003-01-22 11:23:22","fileurl":""},{"id":26911,"heading":"sick puppies abound","article":"Well, you you Fascist! (boo hoo.)\r\n\r\nYou right wingers are perfectly happy letting the people of russia, argentina, much of the third world starve under capitalism. You, you evildoers (read irony here please in the name calling) are perfectly ok with supporting dictatorships in Pakistan, Indonesia and a slew of other countries.\r\n\r\nYour argument is entirely empty. All around the globe there is a disconect between leaders and people's lives. Leaders make political alignments that are favorable to their own needs, not the needs of their people. Government leaders in other countries make alliences or enemies as a function of their own needs, not the needs of their people. The world is a fucked up place and if you think that your "left" are the only ones who support "evildoers" you are wrong.\r\n\r\nOf course this won't answer your question because you ideologically seem to think that Iraq is a pox on the globe that must be removed. You fail to see, or are unwilling to see the world as a system. Thus, your logic makes it impossible to discuss with. I don't see any government as a surgeon able to remove cancers.\r\n\r\nBad. Fascist bad. (again, irony.)","author":"bow wow","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-22 19:10:09","modified":"2003-01-22 19:10:09","fileurl":""},{"id":26912,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"JoeBlow:"The Left is perfectly content to let the Saddam terrorize the people of Iraq. "\r\n\r\n...mmm, wasn't it Poppy Bush that was pefectly content to leave him in place 10 years ago???? I didn't know Poppy Bush fit the category of "The Left"...\r\n\r\n....like you're REALLY concerned with the people of Iraq being terrorized, your only concern is how they fit as pawns in your picture, so save us the preaching you sactimonious douchebag...","author":"KPC","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-22 19:11:53","modified":"2003-01-22 19:11:53","fileurl":""},{"id":27007,"heading":"Missing the point","article":"You guys are arguing over puppets, the real issue is can we keep giving our money to people who misspend it at every turn, including Bush, Ken Lay (should be Ken Fucked) Cheney, Sadam, Osama, and his whole freakin family of Bin Ladens. Everyone wants cheaper clothes, so we take Mexican and Chinese slaves and pay them 0 even for the stuff at Neiman Marcus (needless markup) that sells for more, it's still made for less. Everyone wants cheaper oil, so we kill 500,000 Iraqi's because god forbid Russia gets a good contract from Sadam and shuts us out. We may be a superpower, but the soviets can kill our asses any day, do we really think this war will make us safe, knowing that the Soviets are going to be mad about getting left out, even though they have problems with muslim rebels too. Do you think the cold war really ended, it was only cold in one place, in Russia where they had no fuel, and they want some bad, If Sadam gives them a better deal we're all screwed because we didn't prepare with alternative fuel and we got swindled by Enron because their CEO's were bankrupting the educational system and making too many naive and stupid Americans. It's a cycle of miseducation, and the puppets don't make a damn bit of difference, if you can get people, everyday people to spend their money wisely, there will be no swindling doers of swindle to argue about. We know we can do it without our government, or our stupid media, why don't we? Your vote may not count, but you're solar panels sure will, and so will your ev, your recycle bins, your American made Hemp clothes, and your organic beef and cheese from "happy cows" in California. You may think that stuff is hokey, or maybe not your style, but it should be in style, moreso than anarchism, to live in harmony with land and out of harmony with big business. Take the electricity back!","author":"mymicz","parent_id":26765,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-23 19:05:16","modified":"2003-01-23 19:05:16","fileurl":""}]}