{"article":{"id":23943,"heading":"SOME FACTS ABOUT PALESTINE.","author":"Mad Ziontist","created":"2002-12-17 23:26:49","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:08","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:06:08","article":"SOME FACTS ABOUT PALESTINE.<\/b>
\nSOME POPULATION FIGURES FOR MANDATE PALESTINE.\n

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In 1880 there were <\/td>24,000 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>450,000 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1914 there were <\/td>56,000 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>715,000 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1922 there were <\/td>83,000 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>663,000 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1936 there were <\/td>385,400 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>983,200 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1940 there were <\/td>467,000 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>1,050,000 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1946 there were <\/td>600,000 <\/td>Jews living among \n<\/td>1,300,000 <\/td> Palestinians.<\/td>\n<\/tr><\/table>\n
\nTHINGS TO NOTE:\n

\nIn 1880 Jews were ONLY 5.3% of the total population of Palestine (and had been this percentage of the population (or less) for more than a thousand years). In 1946 the Jewish population was almost entirely comprised of recent immigrants (people who had been in the country less than twenty years).\n

\nThis group of recent immigrants were publicly claiming that the (entire) land belonged to them (apparently they believed that some god had given it to them). These wild claims made non-Jews who lived in Palestine (we will call them Palestinians) very nervous, especially since the Jews claimed to want an ethnically pure state.\n

\nThese non-Jews were (very) afraid that they would be kicked out of any new entity that claimed to be a Jewish state.\n

\nSOME POPULATION FIGURES FOR ISRAEL AFTER THE GREAT JEWISH LAND GRAB OF 1948.\n

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In 1948 there were <\/td>155,000 <\/td>Palestinians living among \n<\/td>716,700 <\/td> Jews.<\/td>\n<\/tr>
In 1951 there were <\/td>173,000 <\/td>Palestinians living among \n<\/td>1,577,000 <\/td> Jews.<\/td>\n<\/tr><\/table>\n
\nTHINGS TO NOTE:\n

\nThe fears of the non-Jews who lived in Palestine were well founded.\n

\nThat in 1948 all but 155,000 of the 873,600 Palestinians living in the area that became Israel, were ethnically cleansed from the newly formed Jewish state.\n

\nThis ethnic cleansing was extremely brutal (and has been well documented). \n

\nQuoting Naeim Giladi.\n

\nAnd I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations, often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn't return to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.\n\n

\n\nBEFORE 1948 THERE WERE 475 PALESTINIAN TOWNS AND VILLAGES IN PALESTINE.\n

\nSINCE THEN 385 OF THESE HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY ERASED (USUALLY BULLDOZED) FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH, BY THE JEWS. \n
\nThe houses, and property that was destroyed had been owned by those Palestinians killed, or forced to flee, by the barbaric tactics of the Jews. These destroyed towns and villages were rebuilt (with new Jewish names) as Jewish only towns and villages. The Palestinians who had been forced to leave were not allowed back. They were not even allowed back into the Jewish state, let alone back to their (now destroyed) towns and villages.\n

\nMany Christians support Israel, but they should realize that before the establishment of the Jewish state, Palestine was about 12% Christian (Israel is now about 2% Christian). They should also remember that the Palestinian Christians had lived in the area since about 300 AD (when Palestine was predominantly Christian) and that they shared the land with Moslems from about 700 AD to the creation of Israel, when they were kicked out along with the Moslems (by the Jews).\n

\nPalestine's Population During The Ottoman And The British Mandate Periods.\n
\nhttp:\/\/www.cactus48.com\/truth.html\n
\nhttp:\/\/www.nimn.org\/history\/population.html\n
\nListing and Map of Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed\/Destroyed by the Jews.\n

\nAnd now lets examine the claim that the Jews bought all the land and thus \"now owned it\" and were thus \"entitled\" to ethnically cleanse Palestine.\n

\n\nIN 1880 THE JEWS OWNED APPROXIMATELY 0% OF THE LAND.\n
\nIN 1946 THE JEWS OWNED APPROXIMATELY 6% OF THE LAND.\n
\nAnd even this 6% (more precisely 6.66%) of the land is contested. Much of the land was bought from people who had registered the land in their name, but who did not in any sense own the land, but that is another story. The point is that owning 6% of the land (about 20% of the farmland) does not entitle a minority to claim the entire land (even if they claim that some god gave it to them).\n

\nListing and Map of Land Ownership In Palestine As In 1947.\n

\nIn all this the Jews just acted as a bunch of thieves and criminals.\n

\n\nFor those interested, here are 1922-1938 population figures for Palestine (Arab-Jew breakdown).\n

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Year<\/td>Arabs<\/td>Jews<\/td>Total<\/td><\/tr>
1922<\/td>668,258<\/td>83,790<\/td>752,048<\/td><\/tr>
1923<\/td>689,329<\/td>89,660<\/td>778,989<\/td><\/tr>
1924<\/td>710,017<\/td>94,945<\/td>804,962<\/td><\/tr>
1925<\/td>725,513<\/td>121,725<\/td>847,238<\/td><\/tr>
1926<\/td>748,862<\/td>149,500<\/td>898,362<\/td><\/tr>
1927<\/td>767,526<\/td>149,789<\/td>917,315<\/td><\/tr>
1928<\/td>784,295<\/td>151,656<\/td>935,951<\/td><\/tr>
1929<\/td>803,562<\/td>156,481<\/td>960,043<\/td><\/tr>
1930<\/td>827,763<\/td>164,796<\/td>992,559<\/td><\/tr>
1931<\/td>851,706<\/td>172,028<\/td>1,023,734<\/td><\/tr>
1932<\/td>872,079<\/td>180,793<\/td>1,052,872<\/td><\/tr>
1933<\/td>895,677<\/td>209,207<\/td>1,104,884<\/td><\/tr>
1934<\/td>917,458<\/td>253,700<\/td>1,171,158<\/td><\/tr>
1935<\/td>940,724<\/td>320,358<\/td>1,261,082<\/td><\/tr>
1936<\/td>966,035<\/td>370,483<\/td>1,336,518<\/td><\/tr>
1937<\/td>997,233<\/td>386,074<\/td>1,383,307<\/td><\/tr>
1938<\/td>1,018,811<\/td>399,808<\/td>1,418,619<\/td><\/tr><\/table>\n
\nThese figures are from the UNISPAL website.\n

\nOTHER ARTICLES FROM NERDCITIES.COM\/GUARDIAN.<\/b>
\nSeptember the Eleventh 2001.\n

\nThe World Trade Center.\n

\n\nThe World Trade Center Demolition. 740 KB
\nEvidence of Explosives In The South Tower Collapse. 300 KB
\nChapter One of the FEMA WTC Report (with comment). 850 KB
\nChapter Two of the FEMA WTC Report (with comment). 1.9 MB
\nMicrosoft Software used to simulate the crash of a Boeing 747 into the World Trade Center.
\nUniversity of California, Berkeley Professor, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl Testifies.
\nTable Of Contents for the WTC-Report.
\nAppendix B of the WTC-Report.
\nAppendix D of the WTC-Report.
\nThe WTC-7 Explosion Myth.
\n\n
\nThe Pentagon.\n

\n\nA Detailed Analysis of whether or not a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. 1.4 MB
\nPhotos of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon are a Complete and Utter Fabrication.
\nThe Bijlmer Crash - Joe Vialls - Caught in a Lie.
\nCarol A. Valentine Article Completely Wrong.
\nThe Strange Case of the Sports Utility Vehicle at the Pentagon.
\nHow the size of the plane in the \"explosion\" photo was calculated.
\n\n
\nThe Response, Or Rather, Lack Of It.\n

\n\nAir National Guard Mission And Vision Statement.
\nAn example of Air National Guard efficency.
\nWhere was NORAD on September eleven?
\n\n
\nOther.\n

\n\nStranger Than Fiction (from www.whatreallyhappened.com) 600 KB
\nEvidence that the Arabs are not to blame for the WTC attack.
\nSeismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at the WTC.
\nSeismic Observations during the September 11, 2001, Terrorist Attack.
\nMany of the hijackers are still alive.
\nIsraelis arrested on suspicion of 9-11 involvement.
\nInteresting facts about the World Trade Center.
\nSept 11th - Unanswered Questions.
\n
\nPalestine.

\n\nListing and Map of Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed\/Destroyed by the Jews.
\nMore on the Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed\/Destroyed by the Jews.
\nListing and Map of Land Ownership In Palestine In 1947.
\nBrief articles on the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars started by Israel.
\nTime line of the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians in the 1948 war.
\nBrief article on the Israeli attempt to ignite a civil war in Lebanon.
\nArafat calls for democratic elections in the United States.
\nAmerica should fight minorities and aliens the way Israel does!
\nThe Day Israel Deliberately Killed 34 American Sailors.
\nBrief article on Israeli apartheid.
\nIsrael wins Huge Victory.
\nIs Israel a Democracy?
\nSome Israeli War Criminals.
\nSome articles on the War Criminal Sharon.
\nThe War Criminal Sharon. The Long Version.
\nThe Chinese claim California as a Confucian Homeland.
\nGod gave the Jews New York.
\nThe Genocidal God of the Jews.
\nSome Zionist Fairy Tales.
\nIsrael mugs the Palestinians.
\nMuslims base their claim to Palestine on History.
\nJewish Terrorism.
\nJewish Terrorism targeting the British.
\nWhat you can do if you care.
\n
\nOther.

\n\nWhy did the US develop the Space Shuttle when the Saturn 5 is so much better?
\nWhy is the US developing the Delta rockets when the Saturn 5 is so much better?
\nWhy is no one allowed to question the Holocaust?\n
\n\n\n\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/www.nerdcities.com\/guardian","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/gif","summary":"This Article Presents A Very Brief History Of The Jewish\/Israeli Conquest Of Palestine. The map below shows the Palestinian villages destroyed by the Israelis since 1948","numcomment":20,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/destroyedtowns.gif","filesize":"53.4 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2002\/12\/23943.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/destroyedtowns.gif"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":23947,"heading":"zionists have no answers","article":"I guess the zionists have no argument with the FACTS presented above.","author":"zionists have no answers","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-18 00:00:53","modified":"2002-12-18 00:00:53","fileurl":""},{"id":24136,"heading":"Johnny","article":"The arguments I have had with zionists on the internet tell me two things. \n\nThey are brain-washed and pretty damn THICK.","author":"The zionists are pretty damn THICK.","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-19 23:26:43","modified":"2002-12-19 23:26:43","fileurl":""},{"id":24138,"heading":".","article":"electronic intifada<\/a>","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-19 23:34:40","modified":"2002-12-19 23:34:40","fileurl":""},{"id":24258,"heading":".","article":"amazing post<\/a>\r\n\r\nupdate<\/a>\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-20 23:19:27","modified":"2002-12-20 23:19:27","fileurl":""},{"id":24456,"heading":".","article":""Israeli troops kill 11-year-old Palestinian girl<\/a> as Israel Tightens Gaza Grip<\/a>"","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-23 00:38:15","modified":"2002-12-23 00:38:15","fileurl":""},{"id":24514,"heading":"..............","article":"Gee, they kill an 11 year old girl and you "fail to understand" why they haven't gotten "tough". What's your definition of "tough", concentration camps? \r\n\r\n"I fail to understand"\r\n\r\nYou can say that again, Rush Admirer! You fail to understand alright.","author":".............","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-23 10:28:21","modified":"2002-12-23 10:28:21","fileurl":""},{"id":24698,"heading":".","article":"\r\nWSF - Palestine<\/a> Dec. 27 - Dec. 30 '02\r\n\r\nand then the big one:\r\n\r\nWSF - Porto Alegre<\/a> end of Jan. \/ beginning of Feb. '03\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-26 00:26:28","modified":"2002-12-26 00:28:09","fileurl":""},{"id":24893,"heading":".","article":"Weekly report on human rights violations -- 12\/19\/02 - 12\/25\/02<\/a>\r\n\r\nnine year old girl<\/a>\r\n\r\nWSF - Palestine<\/a>\r\n\r\nelectronic intifada<\/a>\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-29 23:58:25","modified":"2002-12-30 00:00:07","fileurl":""},{"id":25632,"heading":".","article":"Weekly report on human rights violations\r\nPCHR, report, 10 January 2003:\r\n\r\n\"This week, six Palestinians, including three civilians, have been killed by Israeli forces and settlers<\/a>.\"\r\n\r\nelectronic intifada<\/a>\r\n\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\na<\/a>n<\/a>t<\/a>i<\/a>c<\/a>r<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-12 00:48:26","modified":"2003-01-12 01:13:16","fileurl":""},{"id":26644,"heading":".","article":"\r\nupdate 01\/17\/03:\r\n\r\n"Belgium may revive Sharon war crimes case<\/a>"\r\n\r\nPCHR Weekly report on human rights violations:\r\n\r\n9 - 15 January, 2003\r\n\r\nThe Israeli occupying forces have perpetrated more illegal actions and human rights violations against Palestinian civilians, including extra-judicial and willful killings, shelling of and incursions into Palestinian areas, house demolitions, and agricultural land leveling. This week, 12 Palestinians, mostly civilians, including a mentally handicapped man, were killed by Israeli forces and settlers<\/a>....\r\n\r\nelectronic intifada<\/a>\r\n\r\n------------------------------------------------------------\r\na<\/a>n<\/a>t<\/a>i<\/a>c<\/a>r<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-19 03:43:27","modified":"2003-01-19 03:43:27","fileurl":""},{"id":27056,"heading":".","article":"\r\nOPPORTUNITY FOR PALESTINE<\/a>?\r\n\r\n....our audience is broader than ever before and our messages must address their concerns, many of which do come from coporate propaganda sources. For example, if you count the number of times that corporate media points out Saddam Hussein's defiance of UN resolutions in a day, you might begin to have ideas about how to address that legitimate concern. So one message that would surely resonate with millions now that they all know how sacred UN resolutions are.... we could have easily our biggest protests yet outside Israeli consulates all around the world, specifically demanding that the government of Israel answer for its decades of Saddam Hussein-like defiance of UN resolutions<\/a>....\r\n\r\nelectronic intifada<\/a>\r\n\r\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n a<\/a>n<\/a>t<\/a>i<\/a>c<\/a>r<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-01-24 01:02:48","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:09","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/decentralize.....jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/decentralize.....jpg"}},{"id":27067,"heading":"Some More Facts about "palestine"","article":"Here's a little more history of the richly cultured\r\n "palestinian".\r\n\r\nThe Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that:\r\nThere are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine\r\nfor two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is\r\nreally a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was\r\nowned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was\r\nowned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews\r\ntook over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you\r\nknow, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with\r\ntheir lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use\r\nthe word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who\r\ndance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped.\r\nInstead, let's call them what they are: "Other Arabs From The Same General\r\nArea Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In\r\nLife And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal\r\nStruggle And Death." I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN.\r\nHow about this, then: "Adjacent Jew-Haters."\r\n\r\nOkay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more\r\nthing. No, they don't. They could've had their own country any time in the\r\nlast thirty years, especially two years ago at Camp David. But if you have\r\nyour own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks and\r\nChambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way\r\nto make a living. That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters\r\nin the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of\r\ncourse--that's where the real fun is--but mostly they want Israel. Why? For\r\none thing, trying to destroy Israel--or "The Zionist Entity" as their\r\ntextbooks call it--for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab\r\ncountries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact\r\nthat they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward\r\non God's Earth, and if you've ever been around God's Earth, you know that's\r\nreally saying something. It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our\r\npundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim\r\nMideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to\r\nthe world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that\r\none. \r\n\r\nChew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million\r\nJews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a\r\npack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear\r\nthat if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be\r\npals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to\r\nobliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to\r\ndrive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-24 02:24:42","modified":"2003-01-24 02:24:42","fileurl":""},{"id":27137,"heading":"X","article":"There were people living it that land. They had been living there for hundreds of years. They had grown up there, they had built their homes there, they had had children there. It doesn't matter whether they had a government, a name for themselves, or a passport... it was wrong for the Israelis to have stolen that land from them.","author":"X","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-24 13:46:38","modified":"2003-01-24 13:46:38","fileurl":""},{"id":27138,"heading":"Y","article":"Fresca, are you using your argument to excuse the disgustingly high amount of human rights violations committed by the Israelis?\r\n\r\nIf so, the Israelis are no better than the Arabs.","author":"Y","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-24 13:51:35","modified":"2003-01-24 13:51:35","fileurl":""},{"id":27149,"heading":"for X and Y","article":"X...How about the fact that the first Jewish settlers BOUGHT the land they settled but were systematically attacked by neighboring arabs purely because they were Jewish?\r\n\r\nY...No, this excuses nothing, but it might shed a little light on why Israel reacts the way it does to elements whose sole purpose is the annihilation of the Jewish people. If you think for a moment that dismantling the settlements and handing over Gaza, and the WB will stop virtually every arab state, let alone the murderers of Hamas et. al. from actively trying to exterminate Jews "wherever they are found", you are incredibly misguided.","author":"fresca","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-24 17:48:35","modified":"2003-01-24 17:48:35","fileurl":""},{"id":27172,"heading":"X","article":"Indeed the first Jewish settlers bought the land but due to the new system of land ownership imposed by the Ottoman Empire, the purchase of the land was rather unjust. Lands that were collectively owned by the "Palestinian" villages were held in trust, and under the name of a few Palestinian Notables. These Notables later unjustly sold the land to the Jewish settlers (land that was actually collectively owned by the villagers and not by them). Although the sale was unjust, it is conceded that it is the Notables who are at fault for this injustice and not the Jewish settlers. There was nothing illegal bout the purchase of "Palestinian" land by the Jewish settlers. The point is that the Palestinians who attacked the Jews were bitter about the injustice of the land sales and were afraid that the increasing number of Jews entering Palestine would lead to the establishment of a state (worse still a Jewish state) in Palestine. Obviously their fear of the latter was well founded but granted, instead of attacking the Jews they should have taken out their bitterness on the Notables... that was a mistake and injustice on their part. Another point is that it is unfair to say that the settlers were attacked simply because they were Jewish. The "Palestinians" would have felt threatened (rightly or wrongly) by any nation trying to establish a state in an area in which their homes were located (the same way that a New Yorker would have felt if zionists had attempted to establish a Israel in New York - even if they had legally bought the land in New York). Finally, the land that was legally bought was a small percentage of the land inhabited by the "Palestinians".\r\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nEver since the 1967 war and then later the 1973 war, Arab nations, particularly the Palestinians themselves (whether they like it or not) have come to realize that Israel will not disappear, that it is here to stay. Only extremist groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad still believe in the total destruction of Israel. When a Palestinian terrorist (under the orders of a Hamas leader for example), representing a minority, blows himself up in Israel, killing 20 innocent people in the process, Israel responds by reoccupying Palestinian towns, imposing curfews, practicing extra-judicial killings and punishments etc... (in other words they practice collective punishment on those who were not responsible for the bombing itself). This in effect, turns already bitter Palestinians, especially Palestinian youth, into impressionable targets for Hamas and Islamic Jihad brainwashers. (If you have noticed, it is not the leaders of these organizations themselves who practice suicide bombings, for they are cowards and lack the convictions of their own words - therefore they prey on the Palestinian youth, turning them into "instruments of evil"... more suicide bombers). Consequently, Israeli military responses are not helping to stop the cycle of violence but are rather adding fuel to the fire so to speak. \r\n\r\nSo why is it that Israel, not the Palestinian "nation" should cease its offensive military or terrorist operations first in order to break the cycle of violence? Frankly, It is because Israel is a highly organized and successful state and actually has the capability to stop a military operation (i.e. if a general orders a cease-fire the troops will obey orders). It is unrealistic for the Israelis to believe that the (let's say pathetic) Palestinian state can control the actions of certain fringe elements. It unrealistic to think that Hamas will listen to even a full-hearted call to end Palestinian terrorism from Yasser Arafat or ANY Palestinian leader.\r\n\r\nThe fact is that Hamas and Islamic Jihad will not stop until either Israel is destroyed or until they are destroyed. My point is that Israel cannot destroy the fabric of Palestinian terrorist organizations through its military incursions into Palestinian territories as their actions will in effect CREATE more terrorists.\r\n\r\nWhat Israel must do is accept responsibility for the displacement of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes in Israel and acknowledge that it was a grave injustice. In return the Palestinians should acknowledge that their insistence on the Right of Return is selfish and would create yet another injustice (i.e. if Israelis who, just as the Palestinians were, born and brought up in the area were forced to move to accomodate returning Palestinians). Israel should also relinquish control of 100% of the W. Bank and Gaza, help create a Palestinian state with E. Jerusalem as its capital and encourage the US to provide huge economic aid packages to rebuild the Palestinian state. By creating a moderate Palestinian society, the roots of terrorism will eventually die off. Needless to say, this time period will call for ENORMOUS restraint on the part of Israel - but in the long run the price will be worth it. Perhaps a joint Palestinian-Israeli security team or anti-terrorist task force could then operate more efficiently within both states to root out the leaders of terrorist organizations.\r\n\r\nWhy I believe Israel should make such massive concessions is because it is the only side that has the capability to make these concessions. It is ridiculous to think that the Palestinians in their current pathetic state can call for even a cease-fire.\r\n ","author":"X","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-24 21:32:53","modified":"2003-01-24 21:32:53","fileurl":""},{"id":27194,"heading":"X","article":"X...Thanks for your post. You've raised some points which I have to admit make sense and have given me a little different outlook on the situation. Honestly.","author":"fresca","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-25 00:09:58","modified":"2003-01-25 00:09:58","fileurl":""},{"id":27197,"heading":"X","article":"thank you fresca for having an open mind","author":"X","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-25 00:29:53","modified":"2003-01-25 00:29:53","fileurl":""},{"id":27342,"heading":".","article":"01\/27\/03 update: \r\n\r\n\"Israel killed 13 Palestinians, including a six-year-old boy, yesterday in a raid deep inside Gaza City<\/a>.\"\r\n\r\n01\/25\/03 updates:\r\n\r\n\"At 9 o'clock yesterday morning the Israeli military destroyed all of the bridges the lead in and out of Beit Hanoun in the north of the Gaza Strip. Israeli tanks and helicopters then shelled the town for 18 hours<\/a>.\"\r\n\r\n....'Abla Sa'adat<\/a>, Addameer<\/a>'s representative to the WSF III<\/a>, was detained while traveling to the World Social Forum<\/a> in Brazil as a delegate representing Addameer<\/a> on 21 January 2003. She is being held for \"four months of administrative detention\"<\/a>....\r\n\r\nPCHR Weekly report on human rights violations: \r\n\r\n16 - 22 January, 2003\r\n\r\nIsraeli occupying forces have perpetrated more illegal actions and human rights violations against Palestinian civilians, including willful killings, shelling of and incursions into Palestinian areas, house demolitions, and agricultural land leveling. This week, from 16-22 January 2003, 3 Palestinians, including 2 civilians, were killed by Israeli forces<\/a>.....\r\n\r\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nopportunity for Palestine<\/a>?\r\n\r\n a<\/a>n<\/a>t<\/a>i<\/a>c<\/a>r<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23943,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-27 22:55:58","modified":"2003-01-28 01:25:23","fileurl":""}]}