{"article":{"id":23867,"heading":"Thousands line Hollywood Blvd, to say No to War!","author":"Voice4Change","created":"2002-12-16 12:08:05","modified":"2007-07-05 14:11:58","last_modified":"Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:11:58","article":"

Here are some pictures of the spirited anti-war event on December 14th, 2002<\/p>\n","contact":"sgalindez@voice4change.org","link":"http:\/\/www.voice4change.org","address":"","phone":"213-389-2991","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"Photos of December 14th in Hollywood","numcomment":32,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/elcapitan2.jpg","filesize":"166.5 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2002\/12\/23867.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/elcapitan2.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/elcapitan2.jpgthumb.jpg","medium":"\/uploads\/2002\/12\/elcapitan2.jpgmid.jpg"}},"attachments":[{"id":23868,"heading":"Stop Bush...the Warmonger","article":"","author":"Voice4Change","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2002-12-16 12:08:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:02","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/warmonger.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/warmonger.jpg"}},{"id":23869,"heading":"Dogs for Peace","article":"","author":"Voice4Change","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2002-12-16 12:08:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:03","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/snoopy.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/snoopy.jpg"}},{"id":23870,"heading":"Jobs Not War","article":"","author":"Voice4Change","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2002-12-16 12:08:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:03","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/jobsnotwar.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/jobsnotwar.jpg"}},{"id":23871,"heading":"endless Cycle","article":"","author":"Voice4Change","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2002-12-16 12:08:05","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:03","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/cycle_large.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2002\/12\/cycle_large.jpg"}}],"comments":[{"id":23891,"heading":"Katherine Harris","article":"I just can't stand anyone defending the actions of Kathrine Harris in Florida. As Greg Palast has exposed in his report on the 2000 presidential election debacle in florida there is plenty of blame to go around for what occured in Florida during the 2000 election. Jeb Bush and Katherine harris among with other high ranking state officals (republican state officals at that) were involved in illegally removing the names of voters from the voting rolls. A disporportionally large number of the disenfranchised voters were african american who 90% of the time vote democratic. Gore tried to cheat after the fact with his whole florida supreme court fiasco, but Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris were directly involved in illegally denying people their hard won right to vote. This is a most dispicable act and its truely a shame that no one is going to be held accountable for it.","author":"Randy","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-16 22:22:15","modified":"2002-12-16 22:22:15","fileurl":""},{"id":23898,"heading":"Bush Licker","article":"Ho hum. So we're supposed to take seriously someone that stoops to calling names and cut'n'pastes articles from the hysteric Ann Coulter? The people in the photographs don't look like angry children. They look like very nice adults: the sort of people that aren't afraid to show their faces in public as opposed to lurking on indymedie reproducing screeds from right-wing nutbags. Either summarize the essential points of the articles (if you're capable of it) and provide a link or else don't bother.","author":"Ranto Rooter","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-17 00:46:20","modified":"2002-12-17 00:46:20","fileurl":""},{"id":23902,"heading":"Bush lover, please respond","article":"Mr. Bush Lover are you saying that Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris along with DBT removed felons from the voter rolls, however the criteria for determing who was a felon was criminally negligent.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/olmedia\/cta\/progs\/newsnight\/palast.ram\r\n\r\nBush Lover before you reply if you have the nerveto reply, watch the real video clip here, it will take you about 15 minutes. After viewing this clip tell me, how can Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris not be directly involved in the removal of felons from the Florida Voter rolls. And how can you argue that Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris were not in any was biased in the out come of the elections in florida.","author":"Randy","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-17 03:07:44","modified":"2002-12-17 03:07:44","fileurl":""},{"id":23917,"heading":"Trolling","article":"They say people get the leaders they deserve. In your case Bush idiot, you deserve a fascist twit like Coulter. Now stop spamming the IMC you troll..","author":"Me","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-17 07:51:29","modified":"2002-12-17 07:51:29","fileurl":""},{"id":23927,"heading":"Bush Troll","article":"Your commentary is joke! What cheap thrills do you get posting here? I would not be surprised that you concur with Trench Lott's bigoted (in no way revealing) commentary, about race relations in this country. Do you wear your swastika in, or out of your lapel? I wouldn't doubt that you praise racist bigots, like the Bush brothers, Ashcroft, and their bitches Colter and Harris. Your koolaid is foul, ignorant and devolved, you represent the many "Stepford Citizens" that are dumb enough to believe the 2000 election wasn't a Nazi coup. ","author":"Imagine","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-17 17:30:56","modified":"2002-12-17 17:30:56","fileurl":""},{"id":24084,"heading":"Hot Koolaid","article":"My report on the Hollywood protest is here: http:\/\/lonewacko.com\/blog\/archives\/000136.html","author":"Lonewacko","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-12-19 05:23:08","modified":"2002-12-19 05:23:08","fileurl":""},{"id":25091,"heading":"American","article":"Are you done stroking each others meat yet? \r\nSafe & warm sucking each others dicks?\r\n\r\nYou take your freedom for granted, and publicly masturbate.\r\n\r\n","author":"Joe","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-02 01:10:09","modified":"2003-01-02 01:10:09","fileurl":""},{"id":25130,"heading":"3 levels","article":"We know the final agenda of the ruling class.\r\nThree levels of society. \r\n1. Above the law -Rulers\r\n2. Enforcers of the law -Military\/Police\r\n3. Serfs living on the edge of survival at the whim of the rulers -us.\r\nThe process is apparent.\r\nManipulation of the financial, social and political framework to enable the rulers to consolidate and cement their absolute control of all resources upon which the majority of humanity depend to live. \r\nThe loss of ballot democracy (voter purges or outright numerical fraud as closed software allows special interests to determine desired results on \u2018elections\u2019) as exit polls become wildly divergent from election \u2018results\u2019.\r\nIncreased suppression of popular dissent through a program of terror.\r\nThe control of information through the process of media ownership by the ruling class.\r\nAnd finally, the suppression of open information.\r\nHappy new world order.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-02 22:15:28","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":25134,"heading":"Sheepdog","article":"Sheepdog - You are one really sick puppy. \r\n\r\nYou've got all the opportunity in the world to get your act together and make something of yourself. \r\n\r\nWe don't have a ruling class. We have an equal opportunity country. Some rise to higher income levels and are successful. Some sink to mediocrity. The successful ones usually try harder. Those who don't succeed usually blame someone other than themselves (the ruling class, Republicans, the rich, whatever).","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-02 23:55:54","modified":"2003-01-02 23:55:54","fileurl":""},{"id":25140,"heading":"PRAD","article":"No ruling class? \r\nSkull & Bones, for instance.\r\nhttp:\/\/www.geocities.com\/CapitolHill\/8425\/BONES.HTM\r\n``We have now sunk to a depth at which\r\n restatement of the obvious is the first duty\r\n of intelligent men.''\r\n -George Orwell\r\nGeneral stuff\r\nhttp:\/\/www.mega.nu:8080\/ampp\/","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-01-03 02:06:45","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:03","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/jdr.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/jdr.jpg"}},{"id":25154,"heading":"A Peace Protester from the past","article":"A peace activist from the past. The more things change, the more they stay the same.","author":"Bush Admirer","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-01-03 06:30:44","modified":"2005-08-15 01:06:03","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/hanoi_jane_-_target.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/01\/hanoi_jane_-_target.jpg"}},{"id":25160,"heading":"Quoting George Orwell","article":"Sheepdog - \r\n\r\nAnimal Farm stands out as Orwell's best work. It's a quick read and it's a wonderful book. It's online here:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.ddc.net\/ygg\/etext\/animal.htm\r\n\r\nRead it to better understand the process, and the inevitable result, of social revolution.\r\n","author":"Ragu Spaghettisauce","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-03 16:43:12","modified":"2003-01-03 16:43:12","fileurl":""},{"id":25165,"heading":"Right. Now see the 1984 film with R. Burton "1984"","article":"It\u2019s only when the PIGS begin to look like the former oppressors that the revolution is betrayed. We arrived at this juncture over a hundred years ago.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-03 18:36:11","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":25167,"heading":"Correct","article":">>> It\u2019s only when the PIGS begin to look like the former oppressors that the revolution is betrayed.\r\n\r\nAnd that always happens after a revolution, and it always will. That's the message Orwell intended to send when he wrote Animal Farm.\r\n\r\nRevolutionary leaders are all like Fidel Castro. After they 'free the proletariat' they move into the Presidential Mansion and appoint themselves ruler for life. \r\n\r\nRevolution is the road to dictatorship. The strongman needs 'true believers' as cannon fodder for his infantry though, so Anarchists and other dupes clearly do have a place in the scheme of things.","author":"Ragu Spaghettisauce","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-03 18:43:57","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":25169,"heading":"Mr. Spaghettisauce","article":"Stopping the war (any war that does not intail the right to survive)\r\nis the first step in saying NO to the roach droppings who benefit \r\nfrom the carnage. A revolution does not have as a prerequisite\r\nthe necessity of a grand leader. This is historical folly; we are now\r\nin the position in this era of mass communication to do better\r\nwith a truly informed public. Grand leaders are superfluous.\r\nGiving selected leaders the rights of kings to lead us into\r\nthe grinder of war is another giant leap backwards.\r\nClamping a lid on descent while dismantling the social \r\ninfrastructure is a formula for an eventual revolution painted\r\nin blood. It\u2019s just a matter of time and terror. A peaceful \r\nrevolution is preferred of course, but greed and power is\r\nnot an addiction easy to quit. That\u2019s the problem.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-03 19:19:25","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":25232,"heading":"Simple","article":"When you are the party attacked, all wars entail the right to survive. And if someone is about to shoot you, you should probably shoot first.\r\n\r\nYour rosy picture of an informed populace, while funny, is far from accurate. The Left is fond of this sort of disinformation. First, say that you don\u2019t need leaders, and then appoint yourself as the unelected leader. Or, as in more recent memory, claim that \u2018character doesn\u2019t count\u2019 in the leadership of a country as a cover for all the immoral and illegal behaviors of your chosen leader. Grand leaders are superfluous? Since when? Leaders are required in every field of human endeavor, without them we would still be picking fleas out of each others\u2019 hair and dying with no teeth at 30.\r\n\r\nAs far as your swipe at the current administration (\u201cselected leaders\u201d real cute) and your analysis of history you really couldn\u2019t be more wrong. In time of war US Presidents have had to make tough decisions and have had to suspend certain rights and privileges for the duration of the conflict. It is a testament to the strength of our Constitution and the character of our populace that we have weathered these periods in the past, and when the conflicts had ended, rights and privileges were restored. Your precious revolution exists only in your fevered dreams.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-04 21:10:41","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":25241,"heading":".","article":"the courageous and independent spirit of the patriot:\r\n\r\n\"Leaders are required in every field of human endeavor, without them we would still be \r\npicking fleas out of each others\u2019 hair and dying with no teeth<\/a> at 30<\/a>.\" -'Simple Simon'\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\na<\/a>n<\/a>t<\/a>i<\/a>c<\/a>r<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>i<\/a>s<\/a>","author":"lynx-11","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-01-05 00:14:59","modified":"2013-11-10 23:48:02","fileurl":""},{"id":27800,"heading":"Mr","article":"Geez, and the Left still can't figure out why they are considered "dumbed down". Nazi? Killed 6 million Jews alone. How many has Bush killed? None. How many has Saddam Hussein killed, huh? Try between 75,000 and 150,000. So who's really the evil one here. Any of your family fight the Nazi's in WWII? What I can't figure out is why the Left screamed and cried and blamed Bush for not preventing 9-1-1, and when he is trying to prevent another one, they are protesting! Oh, sure they were onboard for a while singing "God Bless America" for a while, but being dumbed down, it shows how short a memory the Left has. Just goes to show that whatever he does, people will throw up whatever resistance they can, including Nazi and race cards, and the media will just jump all over it! Now, if you don't love this country, then get the HELL out, try bitching in some other country, whose President's name is NOT Bush, see how long you last in the very country you protesting in - such as Iraq. Join Alec, Susan, Julia, Whoopi and live the lie. Last I heard it was Al Gore's Father who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, along with many other Democrats. Numbers don't lie when they show that the Republicans are the ones who produced the votes to pass the Civil Rights Act. The same party that was responsible for a major turn of events in, let's say, 1865? Of course, times are different now, we are more modern, and advanced thanks to things like the Internet, which Al Gore claims to have invented. You believe that one too? Like I said, the "Dumbing of America". Now, go ahead, call me a racist!","author":"Burt","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-02 09:31:23","modified":"2003-02-02 09:31:23","fileurl":""},{"id":27801,"heading":"Mr. Rogers","article":"Im not a fan of calling anyone hitler, either on the left or right.\r\n\r\nBut you neglect that Bush did kill people. The US under Bush has bombed Afghanistan, killing soldiers, civilians, canadian soldiers etc.\r\n\r\nI am not saying that this deathtoll is equal to the deathtoll of ww2 (what a morbid question, any killing is wrong. Yet Im not a pacifist.), but Bush does have blood on his hands.","author":"bo","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-02 10:15:56","modified":"2003-02-02 10:15:56","fileurl":""},{"id":27816,"heading":"by your logic","article":"No, wrong.\r\n\r\nThe above poster said that the bush administration hasn't killed anyone.\r\nI was simply pointing out that there was a war under his administration in Afghanistan. That people have been killed.\r\nBut Technically, yes, sure. \r\nBut the little game that our friend above is playing is pointing to leaders, not generals. So I guess our friend above would say that FDR (not Eisenhower at that point) has blood on his hands.\r\nGeez, blood. \r\nWar sucks even if its somehow justified.\r\nBut death sucks too and the death of people should never be taken lightly. I would hope that any leader who sends people off to fight, and sends bombs to drop amung civilian areas takes into account the fact that everyone's lives are at stake. ","author":"bo","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-02 18:35:47","modified":"2003-02-02 18:35:47","fileurl":""},{"id":42877,"heading":"Ghost","article":""An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Winston Churchill","author":"Warren","parent_id":23867,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-29 04:15:18","modified":"2003-03-29 04:15:18","fileurl":""}]}