{"article":{"id":21555,"heading":"COUNTERINSURGENTS WRITERS ON THE GOVERNMENT PAYROLL PERVADE ALL THE INDY MEDIA WEB SITES?","author":"Marcus","created":"2002-11-04 02:34:00","modified":"2005-08-15 01:04:09","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:04:09","article":"

I have seen over and over the comments on the Indy Media web sites of a few persons who seem to spend a large amount of time writing about main stream ideas in politics, denigrating any writing coming from the left of the political spectrum. Inexhaustible writers who spend time publishing dissenting texts at every hours of the day, seven days a week. It seem that those people don’t have a job, or do they? One might wonder who they are.....-----> Alias “Bush admirer” and “T-Mex” and others.........<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"COUNTERINSURGENTS WRITERS ","numcomment":26,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2002\/11\/we_colonize_minds2.jpg","filesize":"11.6 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2002\/11\/21555.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2002\/11\/we_colonize_minds2.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2002\/11\/we_colonize_minds2.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":21559,"heading":"I Agree Wholeheartedly","article":"Thank you very much for your post Marcus. I couldn't agree more. T-Mex and Bush Admirer (it hurts even to type that) are a serious blight on indymedia. We'll be addresing the problem at our next general meeting. ","author":"LA IMCer","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 03:21:34","modified":"2002-11-04 03:21:34","fileurl":""},{"id":21561,"heading":"globalist (agnostic) despiser","article":"Ban the assholes from the forums if you know who they are!","author":"4UTOFINDOUT","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 03:28:31","modified":"2002-11-04 03:28:31","fileurl":""},{"id":21562,"heading":"globalist (agnostic) despiser","article":"This says it all:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.bushkills.com","author":"4UTOFINDOUT","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 03:32:47","modified":"2002-11-04 03:32:47","fileurl":""},{"id":21573,"heading":"They Tag You at Bravenet-Use some kind of simple pass id","article":"Probally cost you though. Post required finantial need.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 06:25:42","modified":"2002-11-04 06:25:42","fileurl":""},{"id":21575,"heading":"Suggested screening process.","article":"A vote of course by id, let's try some democracy.\r\nWe got the numbers, all they have is a huge budget.\r\nWe might learn something.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 06:43:14","modified":"2002-11-04 06:43:14","fileurl":""},{"id":21576,"heading":"STOP ME PLEASE!!","article":"\r\nHEH,HEH another idea, a voter driven \u201ctooter list!( I fucking LOVE that word, thanks BA!)and post it for voting.","author":"SHUT UP!NO! STOP SCREAMING!!... Sheepdog\r","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 06:56:05","modified":"2013-11-10 23:46:57","fileurl":""},{"id":21580,"heading":"Hardly Outgunned or out matched","article":"Those two right wing extremeist are hardly worth worrying about. If differing points of view are not presented then a visitor to the indymedia sight might be lead to believe that the news here is even more leftist then the main stream media (which is definatly not the case as the mainstream media is self censoring and conservative in the uptmost). I feel that having Bush and Tex on the indy media serves to highlight the freedom of opinon that can be found here. When people read the articles in the newswire with such a variety of opinion their own critical thought process will be challeneged and they will have to make up their own mind regarding the topic. This is what Indymedia is all about teaching people to think for themselves.","author":"Randy Grant","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 08:36:17","modified":"2002-11-04 08:36:17","fileurl":""},{"id":21584,"heading":"Randy","article":"You said( forgive me if I lift it out of context) that\r\n -If differing points of view are not presented then a visitor to the indymedia sight might be lead to believe that the news here is even more leftist then the main stream media-\r\nAhem, the media is not leftist or leftest.\r\nI just think that repeating mindless robots who can't even remember the conversation back three posts and repeat the same unsupported drivel, should be on a termination list.\r\n\tWe could initiate such a call upon majority vote. What's \r\nwrong with that?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 08:48:55","modified":"2002-11-04 08:48:55","fileurl":""},{"id":21585,"heading":"Randy","article":"You said( forgive me if I lift it out of context) that\r\n -If differing points of view are not presented then a visitor to the indymedia sight might be lead to believe that the news here is even more leftist then the main stream media-\r\nAhem, the media is not leftist or leftest.\r\nI just think that repeating mindless robots who can't even remember the conversation back three posts and repeat the same unsupported drivel, should be on a termination list.\r\n\tWe could initiate such a call upon majority vote. What's \r\nwrong with that?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 08:49:11","modified":"2002-11-04 08:49:11","fileurl":""},{"id":21587,"heading":"Excuse me if I misunderstood.","article":"I misread the post.\r\nI still think that a list could be made to \r\ndeal with the problem of distraction after repeated \r\npostings that can't remember the point of the thread\r\nand create unpopular distraction. Hell! I'd be on the \r\nwarning list all the time!\r\nI'd have to behave!","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:06:11","modified":"2002-11-04 09:06:11","fileurl":""},{"id":21588,"heading":"whats wrong with that","article":"Here is whats wrong with that Sheepdog, if these people really are part of some larger organization creating a system of voting could allow this large organization to flood indymedia with droves of thier operatives kinda like how the republicans send down their staffers during the Florida election debacle to stop the recount. Unfortunatly the way our politics have been drilled into most peoples thought process there is left or right. In that bleak black and white view of the world Indymedia is definatly on the left side of the spectrum. I like to think of it as the honest side of the spectrum, but then I am not your average american who is unaware of how all corporate controlled media in at its top most level the same (well there are 6 different flavors at the top, but they all basically mirror eachother with minor differences).","author":"Randy Grant","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:10:47","modified":"2002-11-04 09:10:47","fileurl":""},{"id":21590,"heading":"So You don't think the numbers are right yet?","article":"Maybe then (I was unfamiliar with the traffic of read only) it might take a matter of time or numbers? Yes I totally \r\nagree with you about your evaluation of the media process.\r\nAnd purpose. I just thought it would give added empowerment and information flow for "our" side.\r\nAnd it would have to depend on the "we have the numbers" factor as well as the general realtime information as clear of unpopular distractions as possible. Like I said, I and others would be inhibited from various spamming techniques\r\nand just hateful crap.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:30:44","modified":"2002-11-04 09:30:44","fileurl":""},{"id":21592,"heading":"Freedom a double edged sword","article":"Freedom is a messy thing Sheepdog, if we want to be free to say what we have to say and we feel we are only saying the unsayable truth, then we have to be ready to allow those who are out to distort, deny and defame the truth to speak with that same freedom.","author":"Randy G.","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:33:16","modified":"2002-11-04 09:33:16","fileurl":""},{"id":21593,"heading":"This Is rude, I like it!","article":" I know I'm being crazed and beserk and all.\r\nWe can create the new staff position which could be\r\nvoter driven and points could be awarded in sequence.\r\n The majority driven action of the.... \r\n \r\nEjustacdeinator! Clean-up on previous post! -Hazard-\r\n... and then the rating system...\r\n1. Bring deodorizer\r\n2. bring broom & dust tray\r\n3. bring towel and pail\r\n4. bring mop & pail. \r\n5. bring squeegees, mop & pail, rags and deodorizer.\r\n6. bring mop, pail, putty knife, solvent rags and metal can \r\n7. bring goggles, tongs, large forceps, net & softball bat\r\n8. Unship fire hose and open drain scuppers. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:49:20","modified":"2002-11-04 09:49:20","fileurl":""},{"id":21594,"heading":"I'M Sorry I lost it!","article":"At previous post \r\nembarrassing discharge!!!!","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 09:52:25","modified":"2002-11-04 09:52:25","fileurl":""},{"id":21595,"heading":"Seriously,","article":"You are going to run into this problem anyway.\r\nAs soon as you become a determining factor as\r\nas adversary you are going to attacked. I believe the \r\nman hour attack would be self defeating by the cost,if id recognition eliminated the unpopular weasels by majority of large voting blocks.\r\n\tIf it's the factor of being anonymous, you are kidding me.\r\nDon't get me wrong I'm simply asking if you think you are \r\ngoing to grow as you are and not incur attacks at multiple\r\nlevels. Perhaps I'm ignorant, please understand.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 10:12:29","modified":"2002-11-04 10:12:29","fileurl":""},{"id":21597,"heading":"Unable","article":"to respond to the reason of my arguments, the Leftists resort to dreaming up paranoid government insurgency conspiracy theories. . . \r\n\r\nwow.","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 13:12:37","modified":"2002-11-04 13:12:37","fileurl":""},{"id":21602,"heading":"BZZZZZZ (*swat*) Another suggestion...","article":"A response system flagging The comment. Using a\r\n+ (-) percentage rating together with an id. The idea\r\nwould be to make it play upon the weakness of funded\r\nspin control and EXPLOIT the strengths of the numbers. It It It would encourage more participation. \r\n ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 16:14:52","modified":"2002-11-04 16:14:52","fileurl":""},{"id":21617,"heading":"Another common tactic of disinformation","article":"The 'set up', a conversation between two 'adversaries'\r\nin order to distract from a dangerous subject to confuse the thread on commonly known facts and arguments, on hot button side issues. Interesting isn't it?\r\nThe amount of time and money possibly involved most likely\r\nby taxes we pay, in some trust or PR\/Law agency.\r\nI believe the threat to the people of america exists on \r\nmany levels too fucking coincidental to be believed.\r\nIt could be nuclear\r\nIt could be chemical\r\nIt could be biological\r\nIt could be HAARP\r\nIt could be Oooopps.\r\nProduction of surplus labor into a war economy sucks, doesn't it?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-04 20:37:40","modified":"2002-11-04 20:37:40","fileurl":""},{"id":21634,"heading":"tiresome conversation","article":"anyone who feels threatened by free speach really should not be on indymedia.\r\n\r\nsheepdog, your spam is about as tiresome as the 2 republican friends on line.\r\n\r\nyour ability to generate endless and mind-numbing "debates" is astounding.\r\n\r\nThough the 2 occassionally have valuable insites, your reductive responses are not worth reading at all, you appologize for half the shit you write. \r\n\r\nindymedia is about free speach and open conversation.\r\nas a frequent volunteer to the LA IMC, if this element of the system is curtailed, I go with it.\r\n\r\nThe 2 folks respond most often to the worst ideological drivel and generate only the worst responses. Anyone who can't argue around them has a lot to learn from them and should be condemned to a chat room with them until they smarten up.\r\n\r\nSad it is to be defending the neo-cons, but your spam is about as interesting as shoe leather. Taken as an educational oportunity, reading some of your posts teaches me nothing other then reactive strategy best represented by the DLC-wing of the democratic party.\r\n\r\nsnooze,\r\n","author":"moo","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-05 03:35:45","modified":"2002-11-05 03:35:45","fileurl":""},{"id":21636,"heading":"Free Speech....","article":"Hahaha, these two facist morons deserve free speech like George Bush deserves praise for his intellectual capabilities. Simply note their IP's, and ban the primitives, end of story.\r\n\r\nPoint","author":"Point","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-05 03:50:49","modified":"2002-11-05 03:50:49","fileurl":""},{"id":21661,"heading":"Yes","article":"It was a feeding frenzy (burp). I'm not sorry.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-05 17:54:16","modified":"2002-11-05 17:54:16","fileurl":""},{"id":21666,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish...shit, I know what these idiots are going to write even before they do...very entertaining idiocy to say the least...if you don't like 'em, ignore 'em.....\r\n\r\n\r\n....and their many "mooing" alter egos....","author":"KPC","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-05 18:51:31","modified":"2002-11-05 18:51:31","fileurl":""},{"id":21692,"heading":"Dump those guys.","article":"I want them all banned. Their ideas are too hard to argue against.\r\n\r\nScratch a leftist, find a censor.\r\n\r\nHe he he he he.\r\n\r\n","author":"Underpants","parent_id":21555,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-05 23:28:41","modified":"2002-11-05 23:28:41","fileurl":""}]}