{"article":{"id":21278,"heading":"Media Muslim Makeovers","author":"Ann Coulter","created":"2002-11-01 16:22:28","modified":"2013-11-10 23:46:56","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:46:56","article":"

Media Muslim Makeovers!

October 30, 2002

AFTER ALL THE speculation about the sniper terrorizing Maryland and Virginia, at last we have some cold hard facts. He is a Muslim. He converted to Islam 17 years ago. He changed his name to John Muhammad. He belonged to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. He cheered the terrorist attack of Sept. 11. He registered his getaway vehicle with the DMV on the anniversary of Sept. 11 – writing down the time of registration as 8:52 a.m.

Naturally, therefore, the mainstream media have decided the crucial, salient fact about sniper John Muhammad is that he is a Gulf War veteran. Thus, the New York times described the snipers as: \"John Allen Muhammad, 41, a Gulf War veteran, and John Lee Malvo, 17, a Jamaican.\"

They are now hot on the trail of whether Osama bin Laden ever served with the U.S. military in the Gulf War.

To review recent events, last year, 19 Muslims slaughtered thousands of Americans on U.S. soil. Since then, one Muslim tried to blow up a U.S. commercial jet with a shoe bomb and another Muslim shot up Los Angeles airport. The Religion of Peace has also been active abroad, decapitating an American journalist and blowing up a French tanker. In the last few weeks alone, Muslims bombed a nightclub in Bali and were narrowly prevented from slaughtering hundreds of theater-goers in Moscow.

Inasmuch as the nation is at war with Islamic terrorists, you might think it would be of passing interest that the sniper is a Muslim. But you need a New York Times decoder ring to figure out that GULF WAR VETERAN John Muhammad is a Muslim. The main clue is the Times' repeated insistence that Islam had absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.

Wrestling with the freakish development that a practitioner of the Religion of Peace is a killer, the Times has even rushed to print with the completely unsubstantiated speculation that John Muhammad had recently rejected Islam. Experts explained that a \"rapid and bizarre change in religious beliefs\" is common among \"serial killers.\" One doctor said a change in religious beliefs before committing violent crimes is \"a fairly well-known phenomenon in clinical psychiatry,\" adding that he \"was not diagnosing Mr. Muhammad's condition.\"

His condition? He's a Muslim. That's his condition and his diagnosis. It may be time to update the DSM-IV by adding \"Jihad Impulse-Control Disorder\" to its index of official diagnoses.

In addition to copious articles intimating that John Muhammad was practically not even a Muslim, the media have universally concluded that there is \"no evidence\" connecting him to al-Qaida. Of course, it will be difficult to find any evidence, having instantly pronounced the case closed.

In one hard-hitting investigative piece on Muhammad, for example, the Times produced amazing details from his life, including conversations with relatives, neighbors, friends and ex-girlfriends. The article droned on about how he met one ex-girlfriend – her job, her hobbies, her hopes and dreams. But when she said, \"We stopped talking after he asked me about religion,\" the Times dropped the subject and moved on to the next topic.

After weeks of blithe theorizing that the sniper was an \"angry white male\" – based on invidious and offensive stereotypes – aren't we entitled to a little theorizing about Muhammad's terrorist ties? There is surely more evidence that he was a member of al-Qaida than that he abandoned Islam before carrying out the sniper attacks.

Emerging as al-Qaida's leading spokesman in America, the Times has also blacked out the information that the terrorists who seized a Moscow theater last week were practitioners of the Religion of Peace.

I note again: America is at war with Islamic fanatics. But in a prolix front-page article about the \"hostage siege\" in Russia, the Times referred to the Islamic fanatics who stormed the theater exclusively as the \"captors,\" the \"separatists\" and the \"guerrillas.\" One searches in vain for a clear statement that the Moscow hostage crisis was yet another enterprise of the Religion of Peace.

The only hint that the \"captors\" were even Muslims was the Times' dismissive description of Russian President Vladimir Putin's reaction to the terrorists' demands. Instead of acquiescing, Putin \"cho(se) to cast the rebels as international Islamic terrorists.\" The Times knows a cheap political ploy when it sees one.

In one of the oddest attempts to soften depictions of Islam – the one religion the media respects – the Times has apparently banned the word \"burka\" from its pages. (Burkas have gotten such a bad name recently!) Instead, one reads only about the \"burka-style gowns\" of the Islamic terrorists in Moscow or the \"burka-like robes\" of women in Bahrain. (How about: The swastika-like adornment on the skinhead's forearm.)

Not to be outdone by the Times, CNN has valiantly insisted on calling John Muhammad by his Christian name. The night the snipers' names were first released, CNN's Jeanne Meserve repeatedly called Muhammad two names he does not answer to: \"Here are the names. John Allen Williams, aka Muhammad Williams, and also a John Lee Malvo.\" Williams isn't his name. It's not even \"Muhammad Williams.\" It is John Allen Muhammad.

After assuring viewers \"we will deal with this carefully,\" Aaron Brown summed up Meserve's report, saying, \"We will say again that these two men, John Allen Williams and John Malvo – and I'm not clear on the spelling on Malvo ...\" While telling whoppers about Muhammad's name, he's fretting about spelling issues.

The next night Brown slipped and mistakenly called Muhammad by his actual name. He was quickly corrected by Kelli Arena:

BROWN: \"And then it was sometime later that they got the second name, Muhammad or Williams, I guess.\"

ARENA: \"Right, Williams.\"

Perhaps CNN should go whole hog and start describing Muhammad as a member of the \"religious right\" whose name is \"Jerry Falwell.\"

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(A-rabs?) \r\n\r\nAMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11\r\n\r\nAmerican Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed\r\ninto the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of whom were\r\nalleged hijackers or Arabs\r\n\r\nCREW\r\n\r\nJohn Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A lifelong aviation\r\nbuff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the close of the\r\nVietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979. \r\nFirst Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight 11's co-pilot.\r\n\r\nBarbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts. \r\nJeffrey Collman was a flight attendant. \r\nSara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas. \r\nKaren Martin was a flight attendant. \r\nKathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant. \r\nBetty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\nJean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts. \r\nDianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts. \r\nMadeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts. \r\n\r\n\r\nPASSENGERS\r\n\r\nAnna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2 Software\r\nSolutions. ,\r\nDavid Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer of the hit\r\nNBC sitcom "Frasier." \r\nLynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and executive\r\nproducer David Angell. \r\nSeima Aoyama \r\nMyra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations manager\r\nfor Compuware Corp. \r\nChristine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.\r\nBerry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer. \r\nCarolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California. \r\nCarol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital emergency room\r\nsecretary. \r\nRobin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts. \r\nNeilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX\r\nCos.,\r\nJeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq Computer.\r\nH\r\nTara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning manager for TJX\r\nCos.\r\nThelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10 grandchildren. \r\nPatrick Currivan \r\nAndrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts. \r\nBrian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue Capital\r\nManagement. \r\nDavid DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts. \r\nDonald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\nAlbert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney, Australia. \r\nAlex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts. \r\nCarol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire. \r\nPaul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting. \r\nKarleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment analyst for John\r\nHancock. \r\nPeter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of operations\r\nfor electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for Raytheon for more\r\nthan 28 years. \r\nLinda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos.\r\nEdmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of MRV\r\nCommunications. \r\nLisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice president, for TJX\r\nCos.\r\nPaige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts. \r\nPeter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts. \r\nRobert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with Netstal. \r\nTed Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont, Massachusetts. \r\nJohn Hofer \r\nCora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry. \r\nNicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn Management. \r\nJohn Jenkins \r\nCharles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts. \r\nRobin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment specialist for TJX\r\nCos.\r\nBarbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California. \r\nDavid Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior mechanical\r\nengineer. \r\nJudy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of Market\r\nPerspectives. \r\nJude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\nNatalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California. \r\nN. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\nDaniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\nDaniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai Technologies\r\nInc.\r\nSusan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos.\r\nChris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston. \r\nJeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic. \r\nAntonio Montoya \r\nCarlos Montoya \r\nLaura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She lived in\r\nFramingham, Mass.\r\nMildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\nLaurie Neira \r\nRenee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with American\r\nAirlines. \r\nJacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her husband,\r\nRobert Norton. \r\nRobert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his wife, Jacqueline\r\nNorton. \r\nJane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology. \r\nThomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports and E!\r\nEntertainment Television. \r\nSonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer. \r\nDavid Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta\r\nCommunications.\r\nPhilip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun Microsystems. \r\nRichard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management consulting company,\r\nthe Ross Group. \r\nJessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with PricewaterhouseCoopers. \r\nRahma Salie, 28, was from Boston. \r\nHeather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston. \r\nDouglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\nXavier Suarez \r\nMichael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston. \r\nJames Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett, Massachusetts. \r\nMary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts. \r\nMary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn Beug. \r\nKenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality control\r\nengineer. \r\nJohn Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California. \r\nCandace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut. \r\nChristopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at Concord\r\nCommunications. \r\n\r\nAMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77\r\n\r\nAmerican Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with\r\n56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs.\r\n\r\nCREW \r\n\r\nCharles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more than 20 years\r\nof experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. \r\nDavid Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer\r\non the flight. \r\nMichele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. S\r\nFlight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant\r\nKenneth Lewis. \r\nFlight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant\r\nJennifer Lewis. \r\nRenee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. \r\n\r\n\r\nPASSENGERS\r\n\r\nPaul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of\r\nHealth.\r\nYeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. \r\nM.J. Booth \r\nBernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\nSuzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc. \r\nWilliam Caswell \r\nSarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in\r\nWashington. \r\nAsia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. \r\nJames Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School\r\nin Washington. \r\nRodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\nEddie Dillard \r\nCharles Droz \r\nBarbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las\r\nVegas. \r\nCharles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at\r\nECOlogic Corp.\r\nZoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and\r\nLeslie Whittingham. \r\nDana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and\r\nLeslie Whittingham. \r\nJoe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education\r\noutreach program in Washington. \r\nWilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American\r\nAirlines pilot. \r\nDee Flagg \r\nRichard Gabriel \r\nIan Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. \r\nStanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. \r\nBryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department. \r\nSteven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of\r\nMetrocall Inc.\r\nAnn Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. \r\nYvonne Kennedy \r\nNorma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. \r\nKaren A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. \r\nNorma Langsteuerle \r\nDong Lee \r\nDora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm. \r\nChristopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of\r\nWork-Life Benefits.\r\nBarbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN. \r\nRuben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. \r\nRobert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems. \r\nLisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of\r\nGenzyme. \r\nTodd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. \r\nJohn Sammartino \r\nDiane Simmons \r\nGeorge Simmons \r\nMari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the\r\nUniversity of California. \r\nBob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. \r\nHilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\nLeonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. \r\nLeslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. \r\nJohn Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. \r\nVicki Yancey \r\nShuyin Yang \r\nYuguag Zheng\r\n\r\nUNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175\r\n\r\nUnited Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, was the\r\nsecond hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56 people on board.\r\nNo alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent.\r\n \r\nCREW\r\n\r\nCapt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy veteran. \r\nMichael Horrocks was first officer. \r\nRobert J. Fangman was a flight attendant. \r\nAmy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant. \r\nAmy R. King was a flight attendant. \r\nKathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant. \r\nAlfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant. \r\nMichael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant. \r\nAlicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant. \r\n\r\nPASSENGERS\r\n\r\nAlona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel. \r\nGarnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting for the Los\r\nAngeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts. \r\nGraham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\nTouri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California. \r\nKlaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's chief executive\r\nofficer.\r\nDaniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse. \r\nDavid Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles. \r\nJohn Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\nChristoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the office of\r\ninformation technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst. \r\nJohn Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant marine. \r\nDorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California. \r\nGloria Debarrera \r\nLisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston University this\r\nyear. \r\nRonald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager. \r\nLynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts. \r\nThe Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy Cross Church in\r\nEaston. \r\nCarl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts. \r\nPeter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman. \r\nSusan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student. \r\nChristine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts. \r\nGerald Hardacre \r\nEric Hartono \r\nJames E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of Netegrity\r\nInc. \r\nHerbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co. \r\nRobert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman. \r\nRalph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine surveyor. \r\nHeinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag, of\r\nGermany. \r\nBrian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse Cooper. \r\nRobert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of geography at the\r\nUniversity of New Hampshire. \r\nMaclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California. \r\nMarianne MacFarlane \r\nLouis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire. \r\nJuliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut. \r\nRuth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts. \r\nWolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director of human\r\nresources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in six months. \r\nShawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island. \r\nPatrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse Cooper. \r\nFrederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts. \r\nJames M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine. \r\nJesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts. \r\nKathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\nRobert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\nJane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts. \r\nBrian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts. \r\nTimothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad, California-based Rubio's\r\nRestaurants Inc.\r\nWilliam Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer.\r\n\r\nUNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93\r\n\r\nUnited Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California, crashed in\r\nrural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged hijackers or\r\nArabs. \r\n\r\nCREW\r\n\r\nJason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain. \r\nLeroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board. \r\nLorraine Bay was a flight attendant. \r\nSandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant. \r\nWanda Green was a flight attendant. \r\nCeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant. \r\nDeborah Welsh was a flight attendant.\r\n\r\nPASSENGERS\r\n\r\nChristian Adams \r\nTodd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey. \r\nAlan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer. \r\nMark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham Group. \r\nDeora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student. \r\nMarion Britton \r\nThomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California. \r\nWilliam Cashman \r\nGeorgine Corrigan \r\nJoseph Deluca \r\nPatrick Driscoll \r\nEdward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey. \r\nColleen Fraser \r\nAndrew Garcia \r\nJeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey.\r\nLauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good Housekeeping\r\nmagazine. \r\nDonald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut. \r\nLinda Gronlund \r\nRichard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife\r\nService's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge. \r\nToshiya Kuge \r\nWaleska Martinez \r\nNicole Miller \r\nMark Rothenberg \r\nChristine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor Circle. \r\nJohn Talignani \r\nHonor Wainio ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-01 17:33:16","modified":"2002-11-01 17:33:16","fileurl":""},{"id":21309,"heading":"This is how deluded","article":"you have to be to be a Leftist.\r\n\r\nWe have a video tape of UBL bragging about the attacks. . . and scads of other documentary evidence. . . and the fact that (notwithstanding the Dog's list) they were on the plane (as confirmed by passengers aboard the planes by way of cell phone calls). . .\r\n\r\nBut to be a Leftist, you have to believe that ITS ALL A BIG LIE.\r\n\r\nYou have to believe there were no terrorists. . . the planes were crashed, not by hijackers, but by people in league with the CIA and Unocal!\r\n\r\nIt is very sad that the Left has been able to trick so many young, foolish people into believing this crap.\r\n\r\n","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-01 21:53:36","modified":"2002-11-01 21:53:36","fileurl":""},{"id":21312,"heading":"Thank you for putting so many words in my mouth","article":"It is sad.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-01 22:04:23","modified":"2002-11-01 22:04:23","fileurl":""},{"id":21313,"heading":"Simple","article":"You really are full of crap on this one sheep. Fabricated lists of passengers. Weak. Really weak.\r\n\r\nYep, muslim extremism doesn't even exist. It's all a lie. It's the Oil companies trying to divert your attention from what they're doing.\r\n\r\nOr some such crap.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-01 23:26:49","modified":"2002-11-01 23:26:49","fileurl":""},{"id":21314,"heading":"Well, let's see your list...","article":".. of passangers.\r\nDid you even try to varify ANY of the individuals?\r\nJust curious. I certainly didn't fabracate the list.\r\nJust drew it out from the net. Anything more commplete?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-01 23:56:13","modified":"2002-11-01 23:56:13","fileurl":""},{"id":21317,"heading":"Simple","article":"I don't have a list of the passengers from any of the flights. Neither do you. You have a list you gleaned from some conspiracy theory hotbed site. Call American Airlines and ask if you can get a passenger manifest. If your suggestion is that the government somehow managed to drive these planes into the WTC and the Pentagon, you are further gone than I thought.\r\n\r\nWhat I have is the knowledge that numerous people from disparate backgrounds on different flights at the same time made frantic calls to loved ones in which they described their hijackers. I do know that the Arab world was largely delighted by the act, I do know that since that time numerous other Islamofacists have attempted numerous attacks against the United States, Israel, Australia, Russia, etc... I do know that many members of Al Queda have been recorded bragging about their participation in the events.\r\n\r\nAnd I do know that the America Haters on indymedia will always find America at the root of all problems.\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 00:14:24","modified":"2002-11-02 00:14:24","fileurl":""},{"id":21322,"heading":"Sounds like VERY angry...","article":"...BS from you.\r\nCell phone calls that are Far less verifiable is\r\nless than nothing.\r\nStop being a tooter unless you can prove me wrong.\r\nThe names are there.\r\nWhat have you got?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 00:53:40","modified":"2002-11-02 00:53:40","fileurl":""},{"id":21324,"heading":"Do call them","article":"They're required to maintain the passanger list on \r\nfile. Don't spaz out.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:02:15","modified":"2002-11-02 01:02:15","fileurl":""},{"id":21325,"heading":"I'll wait","article":"Wow! Must have touched a raw nerve.\r\nAnd yes, I do believe the U.S. government had\r\ntheir hands on this.\r\nI can wait. The suspicious will inherit the earth.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:17:03","modified":"2002-11-02 01:17:03","fileurl":""},{"id":21326,"heading":"What I can't believe","article":"Is that Sheepdog missed out on the Hale Bopp comet UFO ride. . .\r\n\r\n","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:22:13","modified":"2002-11-02 01:22:13","fileurl":""},{"id":21327,"heading":"Now , now...","article":"Don't try to bury me in white noise and squawking\r\n-bump-","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:24:33","modified":"2002-11-02 01:24:33","fileurl":""},{"id":21328,"heading":"What I can't believe","article":"Is that Sheepdog missed out on the Hale Bopp comet UFO ride. . .\r\n\r\n","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:26:22","modified":"2002-11-02 01:26:22","fileurl":""},{"id":21329,"heading":"I'll just repost","article":"As nessary\r\nWhere's the beef? (A-rabs?) \r\n\r\n AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 \r\n\r\n American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles,\r\n California, crashed \r\n into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of\r\n whom were \r\n alleged hijackers or Arabs \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A\r\n lifelong aviation \r\n buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the\r\n close of the \r\n Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979. \r\n First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight\r\n 11's co-pilot. \r\n\r\n Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts. \r\n Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant. \r\n Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas. \r\n Karen Martin was a flight attendant. \r\n Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant. \r\n Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\n Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts. \r\n Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts. \r\n Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts. \r\n\r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2\r\n Software \r\n Solutions. , \r\n David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer\r\n of the hit \r\n NBC sitcom "Frasier." \r\n Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and\r\n executive \r\n producer David Angell. \r\n Seima Aoyama \r\n Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations\r\n manager \r\n for Compuware Corp. \r\n Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos. \r\n Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer. \r\n Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California. \r\n Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital\r\n emergency room \r\n secretary. \r\n Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts. \r\n Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning\r\n manager for TJX \r\n Cos., \r\n Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq\r\n Computer. \r\n H \r\n Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning\r\n manager for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10\r\n grandchildren. \r\n Patrick Currivan \r\n Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts. \r\n Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue\r\n Capital \r\n Management. \r\n David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts. \r\n Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\n Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney,\r\n Australia. \r\n Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts. \r\n Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire. \r\n Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence\r\n Consulting. \r\n Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment\r\n analyst for John \r\n Hancock. \r\n Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of\r\n operations \r\n for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for\r\n Raytheon for more \r\n than 28 years. \r\n Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos. \r\n Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of\r\n MRV \r\n Communications. \r\n Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice\r\n president, for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts. \r\n Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts. \r\n Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with\r\n Netstal. \r\n Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont,\r\n Massachusetts. \r\n John Hofer \r\n Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry. \r\n Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn\r\n Management. \r\n John Jenkins \r\n Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts. \r\n Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment\r\n specialist for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California. \r\n David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior\r\n mechanical \r\n engineer. \r\n Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of\r\n Market \r\n Perspectives. \r\n Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\n Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai\r\n Technologies \r\n Inc. \r\n Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos. \r\n Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston. \r\n Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic. \r\n Antonio Montoya \r\n Carlos Montoya \r\n Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She\r\n lived in \r\n Framingham, Mass. \r\n Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\n Laurie Neira \r\n Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with\r\n American \r\n Airlines. \r\n Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her\r\n husband, \r\n Robert Norton. \r\n Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his\r\n wife, Jacqueline \r\n Norton. \r\n Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology. \r\n Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports\r\n and E! \r\n Entertainment Television. \r\n Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer. \r\n David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta \r\n Communications. \r\n Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun\r\n Microsystems. \r\n Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management\r\n consulting company, \r\n the Ross Group. \r\n Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with\r\n PricewaterhouseCoopers. \r\n Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston. \r\n Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston. \r\n Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Xavier Suarez \r\n Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston. \r\n James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett,\r\n Massachusetts. \r\n Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts. \r\n Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn\r\n Beug. \r\n Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality\r\n control \r\n engineer. \r\n John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California. \r\n Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut. \r\n Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at\r\n Concord \r\n Communications. \r\n\r\n AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 \r\n\r\n American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the\r\n Pentagon with \r\n 56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more\r\n than 20 years \r\n of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. \r\n David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the\r\n first officer \r\n on the flight. \r\n Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30\r\n years. S \r\n Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight\r\n attendant \r\n Kenneth Lewis. \r\n Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of\r\n flight attendant \r\n Jennifer Lewis. \r\n Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. \r\n\r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S.\r\n Department of \r\n Health. \r\n Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. \r\n M.J. Booth \r\n Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\n Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems\r\n Inc. \r\n William Caswell \r\n Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus\r\n Middle School in \r\n Washington. \r\n Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. \r\n James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham\r\n Elementary School \r\n in Washington. \r\n Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\n Eddie Dillard \r\n Charles Droz \r\n Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High\r\n School in Las \r\n Vegas. \r\n Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of\r\n research at \r\n ECOlogic Corp. \r\n Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles\r\n Falkenberg and \r\n Leslie Whittingham. \r\n Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles\r\n Falkenberg and \r\n Leslie Whittingham. \r\n Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography\r\n education \r\n outreach program in Washington. \r\n Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired\r\n American \r\n Airlines pilot. \r\n Dee Flagg \r\n Richard Gabriel \r\n Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. \r\n Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. \r\n Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense\r\n Department. \r\n Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating\r\n officer of \r\n Metrocall Inc. \r\n Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National\r\n Geographic Society. \r\n Yvonne Kennedy \r\n Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. \r\n Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein &\r\n Fielding. \r\n Norma Langsteuerle \r\n Dong Lee \r\n Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm. \r\n Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive\r\n officer of \r\n Work-Life Benefits. \r\n Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN. \r\n Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. \r\n Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE\r\n Systems. \r\n Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the\r\n Washington office of \r\n Genzyme. \r\n Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. \r\n John Sammartino \r\n Diane Simmons \r\n George Simmons \r\n Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at\r\n the \r\n University of California. \r\n Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. \r\n Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.\r\n\r\n Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. \r\n Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. \r\n John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. \r\n Vicki Yancey \r\n Shuyin Yang \r\n Yuguag Zheng \r\n\r\n UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 \r\n\r\n United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California,\r\n was the \r\n second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56\r\n people on board. \r\n No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy\r\n veteran. \r\n Michael Horrocks was first officer. \r\n Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant. \r\n Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant. \r\n Amy R. King was a flight attendant. \r\n Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant. \r\n Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant. \r\n Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant. \r\n Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant. \r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel. \r\n Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting\r\n for the Los \r\n Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts. \r\n Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\n Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California. \r\n Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's\r\n chief executive \r\n officer. \r\n Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse. \r\n David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles. \r\n John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\n Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the\r\n office of \r\n information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst. \r\n John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant\r\n marine. \r\n Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California. \r\n Gloria Debarrera \r\n Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston\r\n University this \r\n year. \r\n Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager. \r\n Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts. \r\n The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy\r\n Cross Church in \r\n Easton. \r\n Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts. \r\n Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman. \r\n Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student. \r\n Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts. \r\n Gerald Hardacre \r\n Eric Hartono \r\n James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of\r\n Netegrity \r\n Inc. \r\n Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co. \r\n Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman. \r\n Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine\r\n surveyor. \r\n Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag,\r\n of \r\n Germany. \r\n Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse\r\n Cooper. \r\n Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of\r\n geography at the \r\n University of New Hampshire. \r\n Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California. \r\n Marianne MacFarlane \r\n Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire. \r\n Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut. \r\n Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts. \r\n Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director\r\n of human \r\n resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in\r\n six months. \r\n Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island. \r\n Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse\r\n Cooper. \r\n Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts. \r\n James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine. \r\n Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts. \r\n Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts. \r\n Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts. \r\n Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad,\r\n California-based Rubio's \r\n Restaurants Inc. \r\n William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer. \r\n\r\n UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93 \r\n\r\n United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California,\r\n crashed in \r\n rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged\r\n hijackers or \r\n Arabs. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain. \r\n Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board. \r\n Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant. \r\n Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant. \r\n Wanda Green was a flight attendant. \r\n CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant. \r\n Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant. \r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Christian Adams \r\n Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey. \r\n Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer. \r\n Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham\r\n Group. \r\n Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student. \r\n Marion Britton \r\n Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California. \r\n William Cashman \r\n Georgine Corrigan \r\n Joseph Deluca \r\n Patrick Driscoll \r\n Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey. \r\n Colleen Fraser \r\n Andrew Garcia \r\n Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey. \r\n Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good\r\n Housekeeping \r\n magazine. \r\n Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut. \r\n Linda Gronlund \r\n Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and\r\n Wildlife \r\n Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge. \r\n Toshiya Kuge \r\n Waleska Martinez \r\n Nicole Miller \r\n Mark Rothenberg \r\n Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor\r\n Circle. \r\n John Talignani \r\n Honor Wainio ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:27:10","modified":"2002-11-02 01:27:10","fileurl":""},{"id":21330,"heading":"Imaginary Remains","article":"The government can't figure out what to do with the imaginary remains of the imaginary hijackers who weren't on the planes. . . \r\n\r\nAt some point, a sane man would say "all right, this conspiracy theory is nutz".\r\n\r\nTHE ASSOCIATED PRESS\r\n\r\nWASHINGTON -- Among the human remains painstakingly sorted from the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites of Sept. 11 are those of nine of the hijackers.\r\n\r\nThe FBI has held them for months, and no one seems to know what should be done with them. It's a politically and emotionally charged question for the government, which eventually must decide how to dispose of some of the most despised men in U.S. history.\r\n\r\n"I think in Islam, you're supposed to be buried whole, so I would take them and scatter them all over the place," said Donn Marshall, whose wife, Shelley, died at the Pentagon. "They don't deserve any kind of religious courtesies."\r\n\r\nIn New York, where the monumental task of identifying the remains of 2,823 victims believed to be dead continues, no remains have been linked to the 10 hijackers who crashed two airliners into the World Trade Center. About half the victims' families still are waiting for their loved ones to be identified, though it's likely many never will be, because so much of the site was incinerated.\r\n\r\nIn contrast, the remains of all 40 victims in the Pennsylvania crash and all but five of the 184 victims at the Pentagon site were identified months ago.\r\n\r\nLittle attention has been paid to the terrorists' remains found mingled with those of the victims.\r\n\r\n"It's a unique situation," said Dr. Jerry Spencer, a former chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, who worked 30 years as a Navy forensic pathologist. "The terrorists are usually not in our possession in the United States like this. The other issue is, will the families want them back?"\r\n\r\nFour sets of remains in Pennsylvania and five at the Pentagon were grouped together as the hijackers -- but not identified by name -- through a process of elimination.\r\n\r\nFamilies of the airplanes' passengers and crews and those who died within the Pentagon provided DNA samples, typically on toothbrushes or hairbrushes, to aid with identification. The remains that didn't match any of those samples were ruled to be the terrorists, said Chris Kelly, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which did the DNA work. The nine sets of remains matched the number of hijackers believed to be on the two planes.\r\n\r\nWithout reference samples from the hijackers' personal effects or from their immediate families to compare with the recovered DNA, the remains could not be matched to an individual.\r\n\r\nWith the one-year anniversary approaching, State Department officials said yesterday they had received no requests for the remains. The department would be responsible for handling such a request from any government seeking the return of a citizen's body.\r\n\r\nOfficials have said that all but one of the nine hijackers recovered had connections to Saudi Arabia. The other was Lebanese.\r\n\r\nOfficials at the Saudi Embassy in Washington did not respond to requests for comment.\r\n\r\nIn more typical cases, foreign families also could contact local authorities. But the hijackers' remains are under the control of the FBI.\r\n\r\nJames Starrs, a professor of forensic science and law at George Washington University, said there should be public oversight of what the government does with human remains, whether they are criminals or victims.\r\n\r\nPolicies must take into account that there are cases where relatives don't seek repatriation of remains, including many examples of Americans killed on overseas battlefields, noted Starrs.\r\n\r\n"Good persons or bad persons, you can't assume that the relatives are going to come to the fore and try to reclaim their remains," Starrs said.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:29:57","modified":"2002-11-02 01:29:57","fileurl":""},{"id":21331,"heading":"Again...","article":"Worried? Never seen such aa fuss\r\nWhere's the beef? (A-rabs?) \r\n\r\n AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 11 \r\n\r\n American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles,\r\n California, crashed \r\n into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 86 people on board, none of\r\n whom were \r\n alleged hijackers or Arabs \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n John Ogonowski, 52, of Dracut, Massachusetts, was the pilot of Flight 11. A\r\n lifelong aviation \r\n buff, he joined the Air Force after graduating from college and flew planes at the\r\n close of the \r\n Vietnam War. He joined American Airlines in 1979. \r\n First Officer Thomas McGuinness, 42, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, was Flight\r\n 11's co-pilot. \r\n\r\n Barbara Arestegui, 38, was a flight attendant from Marstons Mills, Massachusetts. \r\n Jeffrey Collman was a flight attendant. \r\n Sara Low, 28, was a flight attendant from Batesville, Arkansas. \r\n Karen Martin was a flight attendant. \r\n Kathleen Nicosia was a flight attendant. \r\n Betty Ong, 45, was a flight attendant from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\n Jean Roger, 24, was a flight attendant from Longmeadow, Massachusetts. \r\n Dianne Snyder, 42, was a flight attendant from Westport, Massachusetts. \r\n Madeline Sweeney, 35, was a flight attendant from Acton, Massachusetts. \r\n\r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Anna Williams Allison, 48, of Stoneham, Massachusetts, was the founder of A2\r\n Software \r\n Solutions. , \r\n David Angell, 54, of Pasadena, California, was the creator and executive producer\r\n of the hit \r\n NBC sitcom "Frasier." \r\n Lynn Angell, 45, of Pasadena, California, was the wife of "Frasier" creator and\r\n executive \r\n producer David Angell. \r\n Seima Aoyama \r\n Myra Aronson, 52, of Charlestown, Massachusetts, was a press and analyst relations\r\n manager \r\n for Compuware Corp. \r\n Christine Barbuto, 32, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos. \r\n Berry Berenson, 53, of Los Angeles, California, was an actress and photographer. \r\n Carolyn Beug, 48, of Los Angeles, California. \r\n Carol Bouchard, 43, of Warwick, Rhode Island, was a Kent County Hospital\r\n emergency room \r\n secretary. \r\n Robin Caplin was from Natick, Massachusetts. \r\n Neilie Casey, 32, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning\r\n manager for TJX \r\n Cos., \r\n Jeffrey Coombs, 42, of Abington, Massachusetts, was a security analyst for Compaq\r\n Computer. \r\n H \r\n Tara Creamer, 30, of Worcester, Massachusetts, was a merchandise planning\r\n manager for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Thelma Cuccinello, 71, was a Wilmot, New Hampshire, resident with 10\r\n grandchildren. \r\n Patrick Currivan \r\n Andrew Curry Green was from Chelmsford, Massachusetts. \r\n Brian Dale, 43, of Warren, New Jersey, was an accountant and attorney with Blue\r\n Capital \r\n Management. \r\n David DiMeglio was from Wakefield, Massachusetts. \r\n Donald Ditullio, 49, was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\n Albert Dominguez, 66, was a baggage handler for Qantas Airways in Sydney,\r\n Australia. \r\n Alex Filipov, 70, was an electrical engineer from Concord, Massachusetts. \r\n Carol Flyzik, 40, was from Plaistow, New Hampshire. \r\n Paul Friedman, 45, from Belmont, Massachusetts, was a consultant for Emergence\r\n Consulting. \r\n Karleton D.B. Fyfe, 31, of Brookline, Massachusetts, was a senior investment\r\n analyst for John \r\n Hancock. \r\n Peter Gay, 54, of Tewksbury, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. vice president of\r\n operations \r\n for electronic systems based in Andover, Massachusetts. He had worked for\r\n Raytheon for more \r\n than 28 years. \r\n Linda George, 27, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a buyer for TJX Cos. \r\n Edmund Glazer, 41, of Los Angeles, California, was the chief financial officer of\r\n MRV \r\n Communications. \r\n Lisa Fenn Gordenstein, 41, of Needham, Massachusetts, was an assistant vice\r\n president, for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Paige Farley Hackel, 46, was a spiritual adviser from Newton, Massachusetts. \r\n Peter Hashem, 40, was an engineer from Tewksbury, Massachusetts. \r\n Robert Hayes, 37, from Amesbury, Massachusetts was a sales engineer with\r\n Netstal. \r\n Ted Hennessy, 35, was a consultant for Emergence Consulting in Belmont,\r\n Massachusetts. \r\n John Hofer \r\n Cora Holland, 52, of Sudbury, Massachusetts, was with Sudbury Food Pantry. \r\n Nicholas Humber, 60, of Newton, Massachusetts, was the owner of Brae Burn\r\n Management. \r\n John Jenkins \r\n Charles Jones, 48, was a computer programmer from Bedford, Massachusetts. \r\n Robin Kaplan, 33, of Westboro, Massachusetts, was a senior store equipment\r\n specialist for TJX \r\n Cos. \r\n Barbara Keating, 72, was from Palm Springs, California. \r\n David Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, New Hampshire, was a Raytheon Co. senior\r\n mechanical \r\n engineer. \r\n Judy Larocque, 50, of Framingham, Massachusetts, was the founder and CEO of\r\n Market \r\n Perspectives. \r\n Jude Larson, 31, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n Natalie Larson was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n N. Janis Lasden, 46, of General Electric was from Peabody, Massachusetts. \r\n Daniel John Lee, 34, was from Los Angeles, California. \r\n Daniel C. Lewin, 31, was the co-founder and chief technology officer at Akamai\r\n Technologies \r\n Inc. \r\n Susan MacKay, 44, of Westford, Massachusetts, was an employee of TJX Cos. \r\n Chris Mello, 25, was a financial analyst with Alta Communications from Boston. \r\n Jeff Mladenik, 43, of Hinsdale, Illinois, was the interim president at E-Logic. \r\n Antonio Montoya \r\n Carlos Montoya \r\n Laura Lee Morabito, 34, was the Qantas Airways area sales manager in Boston. She\r\n lived in \r\n Framingham, Mass. \r\n Mildred Naiman was from Andover, Massachusetts. \r\n Laurie Neira \r\n Renee Newell, 37, of Cranston, Rhode Island, was a customer service agent with\r\n American \r\n Airlines. \r\n Jacqueline Norton, 60, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. She was traveling with her\r\n husband, \r\n Robert Norton. \r\n Robert Norton, 82, was a retiree from Lubec, Maine. He was traveling with his\r\n wife, Jacqueline \r\n Norton. \r\n Jane Orth, 49, of Haverhill, Massachusetts, was retired from Lucent Technology. \r\n Thomas Pecorelli, 31, of Los Angeles, California, was a cameraman for Fox Sports\r\n and E! \r\n Entertainment Television. \r\n Sonia Morales Puopolo, 58, of Dover, Massachusetts, was a retired ballet dancer. \r\n David Retik was from Needham, Massachusetts. He was a general partner of Alta \r\n Communications. \r\n Philip Rosenzweig of Acton, Massachusetts, was an executive with Sun\r\n Microsystems. \r\n Richard Ross, 58, of Newton, Massachusetts, headed his own management\r\n consulting company, \r\n the Ross Group. \r\n Jessica Sachs, 22, of Billerica, Massachusetts was an accountant with\r\n PricewaterhouseCoopers. \r\n Rahma Salie, 28, was from Boston. \r\n Heather Smith, 30, of Beacon Capital Partners was from Boston. \r\n Douglas Stone, 54, was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Xavier Suarez \r\n Michael Theodoridis, 32, was a consultant from Boston. \r\n James Trentini, 65, was a retired teacher and assistant principal from Everett,\r\n Massachusetts. \r\n Mary Trentini, 67, was a retired secretary from Everett, Massachusetts. \r\n Mary Wahlstrom, 75, of Kaysville, Utah, was traveling with her daughter, Carolyn\r\n Beug. \r\n Kenneth Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Massachusetts, was a Raytheon Co. senior quality\r\n control \r\n engineer. \r\n John Wenckus, 46, was a tax consultant from Torrance, California. \r\n Candace Lee Williams, 20, was a student from Danbury, Connecticut. \r\n Christopher Zarba, 47, of Hopkinton, Massachusetts, was a software engineer at\r\n Concord \r\n Communications. \r\n\r\n AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 \r\n\r\n American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the\r\n Pentagon with \r\n 56 people aboard, none of whom were alleged hijackers or Arabs. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He had more\r\n than 20 years \r\n of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot. \r\n David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the\r\n first officer \r\n on the flight. \r\n Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30\r\n years. S \r\n Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight\r\n attendant \r\n Kenneth Lewis. \r\n Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of\r\n flight attendant \r\n Jennifer Lewis. \r\n Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant. \r\n\r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S.\r\n Department of \r\n Health. \r\n Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California. \r\n M.J. Booth \r\n Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\n Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems\r\n Inc. \r\n William Caswell \r\n Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus\r\n Middle School in \r\n Washington. \r\n Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. \r\n James Debeuneure, 58, of Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham\r\n Elementary School \r\n in Washington. \r\n Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. \r\n Eddie Dillard \r\n Charles Droz \r\n Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High\r\n School in Las \r\n Vegas. \r\n Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of\r\n research at \r\n ECOlogic Corp. \r\n Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles\r\n Falkenberg and \r\n Leslie Whittingham. \r\n Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles\r\n Falkenberg and \r\n Leslie Whittingham. \r\n Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography\r\n education \r\n outreach program in Washington. \r\n Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired\r\n American \r\n Airlines pilot. \r\n Dee Flagg \r\n Richard Gabriel \r\n Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm. \r\n Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California. \r\n Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense\r\n Department. \r\n Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating\r\n officer of \r\n Metrocall Inc. \r\n Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National\r\n Geographic Society. \r\n Yvonne Kennedy \r\n Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager. \r\n Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein &\r\n Fielding. \r\n Norma Langsteuerle \r\n Dong Lee \r\n Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, worked for a biotech firm. \r\n Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive\r\n officer of \r\n Work-Life Benefits. \r\n Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN. \r\n Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer. \r\n Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE\r\n Systems. \r\n Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the\r\n Washington office of \r\n Genzyme. \r\n Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer. \r\n John Sammartino \r\n Diane Simmons \r\n George Simmons \r\n Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at\r\n the \r\n University of California. \r\n Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York. \r\n Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington.\r\n\r\n Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia. \r\n Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. \r\n John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland. \r\n Vicki Yancey \r\n Shuyin Yang \r\n Yuguag Zheng \r\n\r\n UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 175 \r\n\r\n United Airlines Flight 175, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California,\r\n was the \r\n second hijacked plane to strike the World Trade Center South Tower) with 56\r\n people on board. \r\n No alleged hikackers or anyone of Arab name or obvious descent. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Capt. Victor Saracini, 51, of Lower Makefield Township, Pennsylvania, was a Navy\r\n veteran. \r\n Michael Horrocks was first officer. \r\n Robert J. Fangman was a flight attendant. \r\n Amy N. Jarret, 28, of North Smithfield, Rhode Island, was a flight attendant. \r\n Amy R. King was a flight attendant. \r\n Kathryn L. Laborie was a flight attendant. \r\n Alfred G. Marchand of Alamogordo, New Mexico, was a flight attendant. \r\n Michael C. Tarrou was a flight attendant. \r\n Alicia N. Titus was a flight atteandant. \r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Alona Avraham, 30, was from Ashdot, Israel. \r\n Garnet "Ace" Bailey, 53, of Lynnfield, Massachusetts, was director of pro scouting\r\n for the Los \r\n Angeles Kings hockey team. Mark Bavis, 31, of West Newton, Massachusetts. \r\n Graham Berkeley, 37, of Xerox Corp. was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\n Touri Bolourchi, 69, was from Beverly Hills, California. \r\n Klaus Bothe, 31, of Germany was on a business trip with BCT Technology AG's\r\n chief executive \r\n officer. \r\n Daniel Brandhorst, of Los Angeles, California, was a lawyer for PriceWaterhouse. \r\n David Brandhorst, 3, was from Los Angeles. \r\n John Cahill was from Wellesley, Massachusetts. \r\n Christoffer Carstanjen, 33, of Turner Falls, Massachusetts, was staff assistant in the\r\n office of \r\n information technology at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst. \r\n John Corcoran "Jay" Corcoran, 44, of Norwell, Massachusetts, was a merchant\r\n marine. \r\n Dorothy Dearaujo, 82, was from Long Beach, California. \r\n Gloria Debarrera \r\n Lisa Frost, 22, of Rancho Santa Margarita, California, graduated from Boston\r\n University this \r\n year. \r\n Ronald Gamboa, 33, of Los Angeles, California, was a Gap store manager. \r\n Lynn Goodchild, 25, was from Attleboro, Massachusetts. \r\n The Rev. Francis E. Grogan, 76, of Easton, Massachusetts, was a priest at Holy\r\n Cross Church in \r\n Easton. \r\n Carl Hammond, 37, was from Boston, Massachusetts. \r\n Peter Hanson, 32, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a software salesman. \r\n Susan Hanson, 35, of Groton, Massachusetts, was a student. \r\n Christine Hanson, 3, was from Groton, Massachusetts. \r\n Gerald Hardacre \r\n Eric Hartono \r\n James E. Hayden, 47, of Westford, Massachusetts, was the chief financial officer of\r\n Netegrity \r\n Inc. \r\n Herbert Homer,48, of Milford, Massachusetts, worked for Raytheon Co. \r\n Robert Jalbert, 61, of Swampscott, Massachusetts, was a salesman. \r\n Ralph Kershaw, 52, of Manchester-by-the-Sea, Massachusetts, was a marine\r\n surveyor. \r\n Heinrich Kimmig, 43, chairman and chief executive officer of BCT Technology Ag,\r\n of \r\n Germany. \r\n Brian Kinney, 29, of Lowell, Massachusetts, was an auditor for PriceWaterhouse\r\n Cooper. \r\n Robert LeBlanc, 70, of Lee, New Hampshire, was a professor emeritus of\r\n geography at the \r\n University of New Hampshire. \r\n Maclovio "Joe" Lopez Jr., 41, was from Norwalk, California. \r\n Marianne MacFarlane \r\n Louis Neil Mariani, 59, was from Derry, New Hampshire. \r\n Juliana Valentine McCourt, 4, was from New London, Connecticut. \r\n Ruth McCourt, 24, was from Westford, Massachusetts. \r\n Wolfgang Menzel, 60, of Germany joined BCT Technology AG in 2000 as director\r\n of human \r\n resources. He is survived by his wife and one child. Menzel had planned to retire in\r\n six months. \r\n Shawn Nassaney, 25, was from Pawtucket, Rhode Island. \r\n Patrick Quigley, 40, of Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a partner at PriceWaterhouse\r\n Cooper. \r\n Frederick Rimmele was a physician from Marblehead, Massachusetts. \r\n James M. Roux, 42, was from Portland, Maine. \r\n Jesus Sanchez, 45, was an off-duty flight attendant from Hudson, Massachusetts. \r\n Kathleen Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Robert Shearer was from Dover, New Hampshire. \r\n Jane Simpkin, 35, was from Wayland, Massachusetts. \r\n Brian D. Sweeney, 38, was from Barnstable, Massachusetts. \r\n Timothy Ward, 38, of San Diego, California, worked at the Carlsbad,\r\n California-based Rubio's \r\n Restaurants Inc. \r\n William Weems of Marblehead, Massachusetts, was a commercial producer. \r\n\r\n UNITED AIRLINES FLIGHT 93 \r\n\r\n United Airlines Flight 93, from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, California,\r\n crashed in \r\n rural southwest Pennsylvania, with 45 people on board, none of whom were alleged\r\n hijackers or \r\n Arabs. \r\n\r\n CREW \r\n\r\n Jason Dahl, 43, from Denver, Colorado, was the plane's captain. \r\n Leroy Homer, 36, from Marlton, New Jersey, was the first officer on board. \r\n Lorraine Bay was a flight attendant. \r\n Sandra Bradshaw, 38, of Greensboro, North Carolina, was a flight attendant. \r\n Wanda Green was a flight attendant. \r\n CeeCee Lyles of Fort Myers, Florida, was a flight attendant. \r\n Deborah Welsh was a flight attendant. \r\n\r\n PASSENGERS \r\n\r\n Christian Adams \r\n Todd Beamer, 32, was from Cranbury, New Jersey. \r\n Alan Beaven, 48, of Oakland, California, was an environmental lawyer. \r\n Mark Bingham, 31, of San Francisco owned a public relations firm, the Bingham\r\n Group. \r\n Deora Bodley, 20, of Santa Clara, California, was a university student. \r\n Marion Britton \r\n Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, of San Ramon, California. \r\n William Cashman \r\n Georgine Corrigan \r\n Joseph Deluca \r\n Patrick Driscoll \r\n Edward Felt, 41, was from Matawan, New Jersey. \r\n Colleen Fraser \r\n Andrew Garcia \r\n Jeremy Glick, 31, from West Milford, New Jersey. \r\n Lauren Grandcolas of San Rafael, California, was a sales worker at Good\r\n Housekeeping \r\n magazine. \r\n Donald F. Green, 52, was from Greenwich, Connecticut. \r\n Linda Gronlund \r\n Richard Guadagno, 38, of Eureka, California, was the manager of the U.S. Fish and\r\n Wildlife \r\n Service's Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge. \r\n Toshiya Kuge \r\n Waleska Martinez \r\n Nicole Miller \r\n Mark Rothenberg \r\n Christine Snyder, 32, was from Kailua, Hawaii. She was an arborist for the Outdoor\r\n Circle. \r\n John Talignani \r\n Honor Wainio ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 01:31:33","modified":"2002-11-02 01:31:33","fileurl":""},{"id":21337,"heading":"Sheep Dog. . .","article":"there were 92 people on Flight 11, not 86 as reported in that list. Five of the 6 not listed were not listed for a simple reason: what you have printed is not a list of "passengers" but a list of "victims". . . the hijackers were not listed as "victims" because. . . well, they weren't victims!\r\n\r\nSimilarly, you'll note that your article says there were 45 people on flight 93, yet if you count, you'll see only 33 names!\r\n\r\nIn fact, Atta was seated in seat 8D in business class, as the Boston Globe reported. His buddy was right next to him.\r\n\r\nWhy were the names not listed on the first -- partial -- lists???\r\n\r\nQuite simply, because the airlines did not release names until AFTER they had confirmed the identities and NOTIFIED THE FAMILIES.\r\n\r\nThat is s.o.p.\r\n\r\nSo, dog, you have been played for a fool by your Leftist friends. . . sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the sooner you learn. . . the better.","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 03:12:02","modified":"2002-11-02 03:12:02","fileurl":""},{"id":21338,"heading":"Just trying to help here","article":"Dog, you should read this discussion of the hoax which you have fallen for. . .\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/home.teleport.com\/~photoget\/north_82.htm","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 03:18:21","modified":"2002-11-02 03:18:21","fileurl":""},{"id":21358,"heading":"Boy! I got both(no three) of you on the line!","article":"And so concerned about what I had posted as a chum rum\r\nfor information. Christ what a racket you are making \r\nabout something I would think you would just attribute as \r\nthe rantings of a lefty.\r\nI think you do protest far too much and far to vigorously!\r\nI like that. Could be something here more revealing than\r\nI had first thought on more than one level.\r\n1. Where IS the passenger list? It's supposed to be a \r\nserious record. Still no answer on that one.\r\n2. Why WERE the flights so under booked; someone had lice?\r\n\tI read the discussion. My questions remain.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 04:56:41","modified":"2002-11-02 04:56:41","fileurl":""},{"id":21359,"heading":"And What do you disagree with about the list I posted?","article":"Is there a discrepancy?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 05:01:01","modified":"2002-11-02 05:01:01","fileurl":""},{"id":21366,"heading":"Hey","article":"if you were kidding, I didn't get the joke. Maybe its on me.\r\n\r\nOtherwise, I hate to see someone being conned by the Left's lies, and will always do what I can to help someone see the light. . . or the Right, if you will.\r\n\r\nThe passenger lists are evidence which the FBI took custody of. . . and which are part of the court papers. \r\n\r\nAtta got on the plane under his own name. . . the check-in woman in Portland remembered him.\r\n\r\nWhat you are propagating is the stuff of Urban Legends.","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 13:06:18","modified":"2002-11-02 13:06:18","fileurl":""},{"id":21377,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...I don't see you online debunking the one about the hand hanging from a chain on the bumper....\r\n\r\n...but, gee, your panties are really in a bunch about this one...wonder why????","author":"KPC","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 18:41:00","modified":"2002-11-02 18:41:00","fileurl":""},{"id":21384,"heading":"Simple","article":"Yep, KPC and Sheepdip are right. All these flights didn't have any A-Rabs on them. Says so right here on Indymedia. And Mr. Mohammed in jail in Maryland is Mr. Williams. And Mr. Reid tried to blow up that plane with his shoe bomb. And a troupe of Wisconsin shriners seized that theatre in Moscow. And the A-rab who shot up the El Al counter at LAX was just upset at the outrageous price of tickets. And all those suicide bombers in Israel are just perfomance artists.\r\n\r\nIt's all clear to me now. The United States government blew up the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, invented Islamic fundamentalism (as a cover, natch), and have been shooting and beheading and otherwise making a nuisance of themselves so as to shift peoples attention from their real agenda of getting their hands on oil so they can sell it to some people. Yea, that's the ticket. \r\n\r\nI wonder how many Fatwas it takes until the Left takes the Islamofacists seriously? It must be frustrating. Here you are a good Islamofacist, you're doing your level best to combat the Great Satan, and the lefties keep taking your best work and crediting the Bush administration for it. Well, at least the Left is dead-set against doing anything to stop you, so try try again...\r\n\r\nYep, you guys are on target as usual.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 19:32:32","modified":"2002-11-02 19:32:32","fileurl":""},{"id":21394,"heading":"Look it's not like I don't TRUST the FBI...","article":"It's just that their record does not invite trust.\r\nWhy are the videos of those dirty high jackers as well\r\nas the flight manifests not available?\r\nSOME PEOPLE THRIVE ON SECRECY.\r\nUsually because they are NOT to be trusted.\r\nThere is so little information out that some folks were\r\nthinking 120 people had been on flt 77.\r\nIt's peculiar that you riecheis get so weird and spaz\r\nout. I thought I had eaten one of your children by the reaction I generated. \r\nOkay, now the story is yes, the FBI is protecting the\r\ndirty A-Rab high jackers by keeping the records secure.\r\nIt's beginning to get clear to me.\r\nParticularly when they were salting incriminating evidence\r\neverywhere but my front door.\r\nI particularly liked the passport(?) that was "found"\r\noutside the WTC!\r\nAs church lady would say; " how conveeenent!"\r\n\t I'm on the edge of my chair, breathless; waiting\r\nfor your enlightment.\r\nThank you.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 20:55:29","modified":"2002-11-02 20:55:29","fileurl":""},{"id":21406,"heading":"Simple","article":"It's remarkable the small shreds that the paranoid will cling to as proof of government involvement.\r\n\r\nIn 1993 a bunch of Islamofascists attempted to blow up the WTC. The transaxle of the rental van they used was found, it's VIN identified, and when the perpetrators of the act had the chutzpah to ask for a refund on the 'stolen' rental van, they were apprehended.\r\n\r\nHow Convveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient\r\n\r\nIt is sometimes the smallest of clues that lead to the solution of crimes.\r\n\r\nThose that believe the government and not Islamofascists are to blame for the massacre on Sept. 11th refuse to acknowledge the behavior of the entire Islamic world, their press, and their own pronouncements on the subject. So eager are they to see the hand of the government in the slaughter of innocents that they turn a deaf ear to suicide bombers, theater hostage-takers, roaming snipers, airplane shoe-bombers, etc... It must all really be the government and governmental disinformation.\r\n\r\nYour position is unassailable. If the government finds evidence at the scene of a crime, it is a plant. If the govenment fails to find evidence, then there is no evidence! My what a comfortable place is the mind of a drooling paranoid.","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 21:45:20","modified":"2002-11-02 21:45:20","fileurl":""},{"id":21408,"heading":"Speaking of plants...","article":"How come the FBI informent who was in with the\r\n1993 WTC bombing (from the begining) didn't do his\r\njob correctly? I mean, how come they needed to\r\ncome back in 2001?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 21:51:57","modified":"2002-11-02 21:51:57","fileurl":""},{"id":21412,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...Jeez...those panties are really REALLY in a bunch now...\r\n\r\n...We're just observin', right Dog??? Why you buggin"???\r\n\r\n...let's see ya froth some more....","author":"KPC","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 21:56:37","modified":"2002-11-02 21:56:37","fileurl":""},{"id":21415,"heading":"Simple","article":"You can't have it both ways, Dr. Strangelove. Either the government is a master manipulator capable of pulling off incredible diabolical crimes without being successfully exposed, or it is a vast incompetent bureaucracy that can't run anything efficiently.\r\n\r\nThe Islamofascists don't care what party you are in or what ideology you subscribe to. They don't care that you are a tie-dye wearing Jerry Garcia fan. They don't care that you once gave 10 bucks to Greenpeace.\r\n\r\nIf you're not a Muslim you deserve to die.\r\n\r\nNow what do you suggest we do?","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 22:01:08","modified":"2002-11-02 22:01:08","fileurl":""},{"id":21419,"heading":"I can have it anyway I want","article":"But I prefer the theory of a core of evil assholes\r\nwho use the power of their "intelligence" service\r\nto murder in order to promote their agenda.\r\nAnd to expect the servants of these evil assholes\r\nto cover it up.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 22:07:55","modified":"2002-11-02 22:07:55","fileurl":""},{"id":21423,"heading":"Simple","article":"I thought so. Must be difficult to live in such a dimension. The Illuminati always peeking in at you.\r\n\r\n","author":"Simple Simon","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 22:14:48","modified":"2002-11-02 22:14:48","fileurl":""},{"id":21429,"heading":"I believe the word is poking","article":"So now we bring in the illuminati?\r\nWhy not? Just gaze into the eye on that dollar...\r\nYou love the power, you love the power...\r\nSee? Things are getting better, better, better...","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":21278,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-11-02 22:26:45","modified":"2002-11-02 22:26:45","fileurl":""}]}