{"article":{"id":19872,"heading":"Santa Monica cracks down on the homeless","author":"bh","created":"2002-10-10 15:39:26","modified":"2002-10-11 17:08:13","last_modified":"Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:08:13","article":"

According to the story on CNN

http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2002\/US\/West\/10\/09\/homeless.crackdown.ap\/index.html<\/a>

Santa Monica gets tough with homeless people

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SANTA MONICA, California (AP) -- This liberal, beachside town passed two laws that will prohibit homeless people from camping in front of businesses at night and limit free meals served to them.

Both ordinances passed Tuesday aim to appease business owners, tourists and residents who have complained about increasing numbers of homeless people on Santa Monica streets.

\"The public is scared and tired and just generally want it stopped,\" Councilman Herb Katz said.

The first ordinance, passed by a 5-2 vote, seeks to limit free outdoor meals by requiring groups serving 150 or more people to adhere to community event laws and county health standards. The second ordinance, passed unanimously, makes it illegal to sit or lie in downtown doorways from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. if the business owner posts a sign to that effect.

Some homeless advocates said they do not believe the new laws will hold up in court.

\"When it's all said and done, the laws will be overturned for unconstitutionality,\" said Moira LaMountain, a homeless activist. \"The city will be forced to come to grips with the issues.\"



Now its one thing to bitch and complain about changing this that or the other and its another thing to propose solutions right. Now the debt of the poorest indebted countries is about 250 billion which is about one fifth of that tax cut, and that still leaves a little over one trillion to spend on the homeless problem. Of Course with welfare sitting only at about 50 billion before it was cut, I would suppose that proposing spending that trillion on real solutions, instead of calling a cop, would be a fantasy, right.

By the way, there is one good thing about being homeless in Santa Monica, and that is that earthquakes don't kill people, buildings falling down on people during earthquakes kill people, so the homeless will live through the worst of earthquakes.



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The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital\r\nthe enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true\r\nsince the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private\r\ncapitalists ... an "army of unemployed" almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job ... unemployed\r\nand poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market ... The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among\r\ncapitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe\r\ndepressions ... This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from\r\nthis evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a\r\npreparation for his future career ... " \r\n\r\nBasically what Einstein is saying here is that 'Reaganomics' as it was called, causes a concentration of wealth, which causes the\r\neconomy to periodically collapse, causing recessions and periodic depressions (there were numerous depressions during the\r\n1800s, even though the crash of 29 is the best remembered, since depressions have been an instrinsic feature of capitalism,\r\nwhich developed in the 1800s, which is why Einstein refers to frequent depressions which become increasingly severe.\r\nKeynesian economics, as it was called, was introduced by the Roosevelt administration as a stop gap measure and had the\r\neffect, through government spending and taxation, of tempering the effects and turning depressions into recessions, which are as\r\nfrequent as the former depressions used to be, but less severe in their effects. However one feature of Reagonomics was to\r\ndismantle this band aid solution, and it remains to be seen, with further tax cuts taking place, whether the current collapse stops\r\nat just a recession, especially given the new feature of Reagonomics, the jobless recovery which is now perhaps happening for\r\nthe second time, having happened for the first time during the first Bush administration. One million jobs have already been cut\r\nthis year, on top of the millions cut last year, and this makes one wonder ...) More discussion of the same theme introduced by\r\nEinstein above can be found on the page The Cause of the Great Depression\r\nhttp:\/\/www.escape.com\/~paulg53\/politics\/great_depression.shtml\r\nThe depression began in late 1929 and lasted for about a decade. Many factors played a role in bringing about the depression;\r\nhowever, the main cause for the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout\r\nthe 1920's, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade. The\r\nmaldistribution of wealth in the 1920's existed on many levels. Money was distributed disparately between the rich and the\r\nmiddle-class, between industry and agriculture within the United States, and between the U.S. and Europe. This imbalance of\r\nwealth created an unstable economy. The excessive speculation in the late 1920's kept the stock market artificially high, but\r\neventually lead to large market crashes. These market crashes, combined with the maldistribution of wealth, caused the\r\nAmerican economy to capsize ... the rewards of the "Coolidge Prosperity" of the 1920's were not shared evenly among all\r\nAmericans. According to a study done by the Brookings Institute, in 1929 the top 0.1% of Americans had a combined income\r\nequal to the bottom 42%. That same top 0.1% of Americans in 1929 controlled 34% of all savings, while 80% of Americans\r\nhad no savings at all...In the 1923 case Adkins v. Children's Hospital, the Supreme Court ruled minimum-wage legislation\r\nunconstitutional ... \r\n\r\nEssentially what happened in the 1920's was that there was an oversupply of goods. It was not that the surplus products of\r\nindustrialized society were not wanted, but rather that those whose needs were not satiated could not afford more, whereas the\r\nwealthy were satiated by spending only a small portion of their income. A 1932 article in Current History articulates the\r\nproblems of this maldistribution of wealth ... One obvious solution to the problem of the vast majority of the population not\r\nhaving enough money to satisfy all their needs was to let those who wanted goods buy products on credit. The concept of\r\nbuying now and paying later caught on quickly. By the end of the 1920's 60% of cars and 80% of radios were bought on\r\ninstallment credit. Between 1925 and 1929 the total amount of outstanding installment credit more than doubled from $1.38\r\nbillion to around $3 billion. Installment credit allowed one to "telescope the future into the present", as the President's\r\nCommittee on Social Trends noted. This strategy created artificial demand for products which people could not ordinarily\r\nafford. It put off the day of reckoning, but it made the downfall worse when it came. \r\n\r\nMass speculation went on throughout the late 1920's. In 1929 alone, a record volume of 1,124,800,410 shares were traded on\r\nthe New York Stock Exchange. From early 1928 to September 1929 the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose from 191 to\r\n381. This sort of profit was irresistible to investors. Company earnings became of little interest; as long as stock prices\r\ncontinued to rise huge profits could be made. \r\n\r\nPrices had been drifting downward since September 3, but generally people where optimistic. Speculators continued to flock to\r\nthe market ... Once enough investors had decided the boom was over, it was over. Partial recovery was achieved on Friday\r\nand Saturday when a group of leading bankers stepped in to try to stop the crash. But then on Monday the 28th prices started\r\ndropping again. By the end of the day the market had fallen 13%. The next day, Black Tuesday an unprecedented 16.4 million\r\nshares changed hands. Stocks fell so much, that at many times during the day no buyers were available at any price. \r\n\r\nMore jobs were lost, more stores were closed, more banks went under, and more factories closed. Unemployment grew to\r\nfive million in 1930, and up to thirteen million in 1932. The country spiraled quickly into catastrophe. The Great Depression had\r\nbegun.\r\n\r\nThe following are a collection of headlines from the New York Times in the weeks leading up to the big crash of 29...Just food\r\nfor thought as people listen to various reports in the media...\r\n\r\nNew York Times Headlines in the days just before and after the Crash of 29\r\n\r\nSunday, October 13, 1929\r\n\r\nSTOCK PRICES WILL STAY AT HIGH LEVEL FOR YEARS TO COME, SAYS OHIO ECONOMIST\r\n\r\nWednesday, October 16, 1929\r\n\r\nFISHER SEES STOCKS PERMANENTLY HIGH Yale Economist Tells Purchasing Agents Increased Earnings Justify Rise\r\n---------- SAYS TRUSTS AID SALES \r\n\r\nDECLINE IN AUTUMN USUAL MITCHELL ASSERTS STOCKS ARE SOUND Banker, Sailing From Europe, Says He\r\nSees No Signs of Wall Street Slump \r\n\r\nTuesday, October 22, 1929 \r\n\r\nFISHER SAYS PRICES OF STOCKS ARE LOW Qoutations Have Not Caught Up With Real Values As Yet, He Declares\r\nSEES NO CAUSE FOR SLUMP \r\n\r\nWednesday, October 23, 1929\r\n\r\nSTOCKS GAIN SHARPLY BUT SLIP NEAR CLOSE Vigorous Recovery Marks Most of Day and Many Issues Show\r\nNet Advances MARKET GLOOM LESSENED Banking Support, Ease of Money and Mitchell's Optimistic Statement Help\r\nRally \r\n\r\nThursday, October 24, 1929\r\n\r\nPRICES OF STOCKS CRASH IN HEAVY LIQUIDATION, TOTAL DROP OF BILLIONS \r\n\r\nSAYS STOCK SLUMP IS ONLY TEMPORARY Professor Fisher Tells Capital Bankers Market Rise Since War Has Been\r\nJustified. \r\n\r\nFriday, October 24, 1929\r\n\r\nWORST STOCK CRASH STEMMED BY BANKS; 12,894,650-SHARE DAY SWAMPS MARKET; LEADERS\r\nCONFER, FIND CONDITIONS SOUND \r\n\r\nSaturday, October 26, 1929\r\n\r\nCAUTION ADVISED BY STOCK BROKERS Letters to Clients Warn Against Hysterical Selling and Favor Some Buying\r\nTONE IS OPTIMISTIC \r\n\r\nTuesday, October 29, 1929\r\n\r\nSTOCK PRICES SLUMP $14,000,000,000 IN NATION-WIDE STAMPEDE TO UNLOAD; BANKERS TO\r\nSUPPORT MARKET TODAY\r\n\r\nWednesday, October 30, 1929\r\n\r\nSTOCKS COLLAPSE IN 16,410,030-SHARE DAY, BUT RALLY AT CLOSE CHEERS BROKERS; BANKERS\r\nOPTIMISTIC, TO CONTINUE AID 240 Issues Lose $15,894,818,894 in Month; Slump in Full Exchange List Vastly\r\nLarger\r\n\r\n","author":"bh","parent_id":19872,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-10-10 16:13:43","modified":"2002-10-10 16:13:43","fileurl":""},{"id":19875,"heading":"Isaiah on homelessness, war, and peace","article":"You know, if you listen to Christian television or hear all the religious nonsense preached about 'bloody lambs' and washing off in 'bloody lambs' and posting 'the ten commandments' you really have to wonder why it is that no one actually preaches what is in the Bible...\r\n\r\nthe prophet Isaiah on homelessness, war, and peace\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.awitness.org\/news\/june_2002\/isaiah_war_peace.html\r\n\r\nBasically to summarize his point...\r\n\r\nIsaiah chapter 32\r\n\r\n 5 The fool will no more be called noble, nor the knave said to be honorable.\r\n 6 For the fool speaks folly, and his mind plots iniquity: to practice ungodliness, to utter\r\n error concerning YAHWEH, to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied, and to deprive\r\n the thirsty of drink.\r\n 7 The knaveries of the knave are evil; he devises wicked devices to ruin the poor with\r\n lying words, even when the plea of the needy is right.\r\n 8 But he who is noble devises noble things, and by noble things he stands.\r\n 14 For the palace will be forsaken, the populous city deserted; the hill and the watchtower\r\n will become dens for ever, a joy of wild asses, a pasture of flocks;\r\n 15 until the Spirit is poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness becomes a fruitful\r\n field, and the fruitful field is deemed a forest.\r\n 16 Then justice will dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness abide in the fruitful field.\r\n 17 And the effect of righteousness will be peace, and the result of righteousness,\r\n quietness and trust for ever.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhat he is saying here is that peace comes from doing what is right, and you can't have any peace by making war, which should be obvious, since the peace is the fruit of doing what is right, which should also be obvious...After all they don't tear themselves to pieces in Sweden now do they...desperation is the breeding ground of violence and strife. If you want peace don't 'prepare for war' as the Orwellian line would have it, but rather do righteouness and prepare for peace...","author":"bh","parent_id":19872,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-10-10 16:42:57","modified":"2002-10-10 16:42:57","fileurl":""},{"id":19880,"heading":"Capitalism is","article":"You say:\r\n\r\n'Reaganomics' as it was called, causes a concentration of wealth, which causes the \r\neconomy to periodically collapse, causing recessions and periodic depressions (there were numerous depressions during the \r\n1800s, even though the crash of 29 is the best remembered, since depressions have been an instrinsic feature of capitalism.\r\n\r\nIn fact, capitalism has done more to create wealth for average working folks than any other economic system ever dreamed possible. More people rose from the ranks of the poor to wealthy under capitalism than under monarchy, socialism or communism.\r\n\r\nUnder capitalism, African Americans enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks in every African nation!\r\n\r\nMeanwhile, people in state run economies are among the poorest in the world.\r\n\r\nNo wonder the Left hates capitalism -- it gives power to the people instead of the chosen elites.","author":"T-Mex","parent_id":19872,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-10-10 21:19:27","modified":"2002-10-10 21:19:27","fileurl":""},{"id":19903,"heading":"Dissenting votes","article":"The two dissenting votes to Santa Monica anti-homeless were Kevin McKeown, Green Mayor Pro\r\nTem and Mike Feinstein, Green Mayor of Santa Monica.","author":"Duff","parent_id":19872,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-10-11 12:36:39","modified":"2002-10-11 12:36:39","fileurl":""},{"id":19913,"heading":"Did anyone listen?","article":"Did anyone listen to the actual meeting? If you had you'd see that reports of Santa Monica being "antihomeless" are unfounded and not accurate. The first part of the proposal was to make sure that feeding of over 200 people a week would be conducted in a safe manner (which it has not been). Feeding so many people at the park is unwise and not the proper venue. \r\nThe other proposal was an attempt to find some way of dealing with the huge numbers of homeless. THe city is bearing a large brunt of dealing with homeless (and has for years) while other cities shirk their repsonsibilities. \r\nTHe city is simpl ytrying to make it a livable community for all.","author":"Rich","parent_id":19872,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2002-10-11 17:08:13","modified":"2002-10-11 17:08:13","fileurl":""}]}