Why does the author of this "The real truth..." article think he knows better than the Cambridgeshire Police do about what happened in Soham?
I think the only unfair<\/i> element of the case was the way the media - bored to tears because Parliament was in recess - protrayed the 'vile murderers' .. they behaved abhorrently, as though H&C were already convicted.
Joe Viall, as evidenced by his other "truths" on his site (about Sep 11th etc) is entitled to say whatever he wants, no question (albeit from the comfort of his Western Australian home.) But leave the detective work up to the Police on the ground, I think they know better than the rest of us, no?","author":"True Brit","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-02-19 13:14:30","modified":"2003-02-19 13:14:30","fileurl":""},{"id":30598,"heading":"Thankyou for investigating","article":"Something just didnt ring true for me during this whole thing. And look at the two police officers brought to shame. Certainly this has been hushed up - would be VERY interested to see what Paul Britton has to say about this. Thankyou - I will distribute.","author":"Sharon Holford","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-21 11:20:05","modified":"2003-02-21 11:20:05","fileurl":""},{"id":31079,"heading":"What actually happened?","article":"What did actually happen to those girls? How can the police keep this from the public, when it has affected us all? PLease if anyone knows how they were killed or what actually happened please say. THe public have a right to know.","author":"Nicole","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-02-23 18:06:37","modified":"2003-02-23 18:06:37","fileurl":""},{"id":34478,"heading":"the real one","article":"THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE IS NOT ME- THE REAL CONCRETE PETE. WHOEVER DID THAT WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND PROSECUTED, OR WORSE. ANY POSTS AFTER THIS ONE BY ANYONE NAMED ''CONCRETE PETE" WILL BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND WILL BE DEALT WITH HARSHLY. WEBMASTER- PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ALLOWING ANY FURTHER POSTS FROM ANYONE CALLING THEMSELVES BY MY NAME. THANK YOU.","author":"concrete pete","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-10 03:56:45","modified":"2003-03-10 03:56:45","fileurl":""},{"id":34479,"heading":"the real one","article":"THE PERSON WHO POSTED THE PREVIOUS MESSAGE IS NOT ME- THE REAL CONCRETE PETE. WHOEVER DID THAT WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND PROSECUTED, OR WORSE. ANY POSTS AFTER THIS ONE BY ANYONE NAMED ''CONCRETE PETE" WILL BE AN IMPERSONATOR, AND WILL BE DEALT WITH HARSHLY. WEBMASTER- PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ALLOWING ANY FURTHER POSTS FROM ANYONE CALLING THEMSELVES BY MY NAME. THANK YOU.","author":"concrete pete","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-10 04:05:08","modified":"2003-03-10 04:05:08","fileurl":""},{"id":44249,"heading":"not ignorant","article":"anybody that has the intelligence to think for themselves and believes that the goverment is more concerned with power, world domination and money than doing THE RIGHT THING. will see the truth in this. Mr balls and Mr Hell need to find a dictionary.(thick idiots)","author":"sarah rolls","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-03-31 20:52:30","modified":"2003-03-31 20:52:30","fileurl":""},{"id":50699,"heading":"Mrs","article":"I cant believe that this website exists. Carr and Huntley have pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice - what more proof is needed???????????","author":"umber","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-17 11:26:48","modified":"2003-04-17 11:26:48","fileurl":""},{"id":50810,"heading":"miss","article":"u r entitled to your oppinion but to tell people you have wrote to him your sick. ","author":"em","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-17 16:02:23","modified":"2003-04-17 16:02:23","fileurl":""},{"id":50820,"heading":"A","article":"I'm very interested by the comments of ex Soham resident Helen Lomax , who says she knew the parties involved & is convinced of the guilt of Ian Huntley.\r\nI have never seen a case which has been shrouded in so much mystery. We have been given no details of how these unfortunate girls met their ends, or any of the evidence which has Huntley on trial. Surely Ms Lomax should give more information to this forum to fully substantiate why she believes Huntley is the killer. \r\nThe theory that the killers may have been American servicemen is an interesting one which has not even been mentioned in the mainstream media. Hopefully the court case will make this murky case a little clearer - but more infromation from Ms Lomax would be appreciated. We don't wan't another innocent person going to prison to satisfy the police & the media like the unfortunate Barry George.","author":"M","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-17 16:43:32","modified":"2003-04-17 16:43:32","fileurl":""},{"id":51363,"heading":"Ms","article":" In this day and age of modern technology, you surely must understand that the investigation cant be taken lightly. What is all this stuff about U.S sevicemen? It does not matter what race\/ natonality\/ creed\/ religion, military service, etc.etc. Is there some kind of grudge thing going on here? Ok so the bodies were found at RAF Lakenheath. and please dont think this the wrong way but so what? If they had planted the bodies near Islham would it have meant that the murdererer was an Islham person?\r\n If the bodis had been planted at Burwell, would that have meant that that the killer was in Burwell? \r\n Lets just let the British Justice system deal with it all. We will find out wheather or not that the two who have been accused have actually done it or not. \r\n Meanwhile I have watched the parents of Holly and Jessica on television. They deserve our utmost respect. After what I have read from some of this site I must admit I am slightly ashamed. \r\n\r\n I live in Soham and I , personally, am not baying for blood. I like most am just searching for the truth.\r\n\r\nGod rest thier souls........\r\n","author":"Keelana humger","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-18 16:38:13","modified":"2003-04-18 16:38:13","fileurl":""},{"id":51409,"heading":"MMM","article":"I read the above link posted by Gregg and I noticed that it made a reference to the anti-malarial (Larium) drug that was given to U.S. Servicemen.\r\n\r\nNote: We had people from my base in Afghanistan last year and none of them were given Larium, so to say that it's been given to everyone serving over there is false.","author":"Anastasia","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-18 18:27:01","modified":"2003-04-18 18:27:01","fileurl":""},{"id":52434,"heading":"Phil","article":"Drivel.\r\n\r\nTo begin with the girls' bodies were found on the 18th August, the day AFTER Huntley and Carr were arrested, not "hours before" as Vialls claims. If he can't get a simple fact like that right how good is the rest of it? In Vialls' perverted logic the conviction of 11 US servicemen since 1955 for rape makes every one of the 250, 000 the US has stationed abroad at any one time a paedophile and\/or a rapist. Yeah right.\r\n\r\nLet's look at this for what it is. Not a serious investigation of a miscarriage of justice, we won't know if that's occured until we've heard the full evidence, but a rather sick, disgusting attempt to exploit this tragedy for the purposes of anti-American propaganda.\r\n\r\nPerhaps Vialls can explain why Huntley has pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice and why both he and Carr applied for their jobs at the school under false names? ","author":"H","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-04-22 19:50:51","modified":"2003-04-22 19:50:51","fileurl":""},{"id":54688,"heading":"ms","article":"Both are innocent of murder as they haven't been convicted. Maxine isn't even charged with the murders, the reason they changed their names was as a result of family problems, Carr's father left when she was a toddler and Huntley's parents split up...when they got back together he changed his name back to Huntley.\r\n\r\nNone of this can account for Joe Vialls' crappy article though.","author":"clia","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-05-01 12:13:25","modified":"2003-05-01 12:13:25","fileurl":""},{"id":64153,"heading":"Miss","article":"Has Everyone just forgotton about innocent until proven guilty. Lets face it the British justice system does have a habit of locking up the wrong people!!!!!\r\n\r\nAnd police who were working on the case where then found to be involved in Child Porn?????\r\n\r\nThe whole case seem a bit of a mess to me!!!!","author":"X","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 04:59:46","modified":"2003-06-11 04:59:46","fileurl":""},{"id":64166,"heading":"Ms","article":"Thank you for your article on Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. I feel a sense of relief in reading your article. When Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr were charged so quickly, and the press coverage was so huge, it seemed exceptionally odd that in all the hype there was no mention of any evidence. All it did was make me suspicious of what was really going on. Then Ian Huntley is taken to a psychiatric hospital and locked up (on what evidence?) and now we hear he suffers from depression (seems to me a healthy and 'normal' response to a grossly injust situation) and is locked up ALONE! Has he any support at all? Has he access to a human rights lawyer? Has he ever had? I find this situation extremely worrying, and I am not even involved, except as another citizen.\r\nDo you know how it is that the authorities (do the police have ultimate say here - surely not - so who is behind these actions) can just lock someone up like this when nothing has been proved? (Perhaps I am extremely naive but I cannot comprehend how they get away with it.)\r\n","author":"Virginia Berkholz","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 09:30:04","modified":"2003-06-11 09:30:04","fileurl":""},{"id":64174,"heading":"Mr","article":"I Hope that if Ian Huntley is guilty he lives to be 120 years old having his balls battered everyday with a hammer. When he reaches 120 I hope somebody sets fire to his room and he burns slowly to death over a period of 3 hours. Sick Sick Person","author":"Lenny","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-11 11:50:04","modified":"2003-06-11 11:50:04","fileurl":""},{"id":64458,"heading":"Your gay","article":"mathew is quere and he knows he is.","author":"Mathew Edney","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-06-13 05:39:29","modified":"2003-06-13 05:39:29","fileurl":""},{"id":64459,"heading":"Your gay","article":"mathew is quere and he knows he is.","author":"Mathew Edney","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-13 05:40:09","modified":"2003-06-13 05:40:09","fileurl":""},{"id":64460,"heading":"Your gay","article":"mathew is quere and he knows he is.","author":"Mathew Edney","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2003-06-13 05:40:36","modified":"2003-06-13 05:40:36","fileurl":""},{"id":65292,"heading":"i dont understand","article":"im sorry but i dont understand what the fuck you are talking about","author":"Phil mecracken","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-18 14:55:05","modified":"2003-06-18 14:55:05","fileurl":""},{"id":65293,"heading":"i dont understand","article":"im sorry but i dont understand what the fuck you are talking about","author":"Phil mecracken","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-18 14:55:06","modified":"2003-06-18 14:55:06","fileurl":""},{"id":67521,"heading":"Mr.","article":"This case smells way too much like the Canadian "Ken and Barbie" killings of young girls in the early 90's. Karla Homolka aided her sick husband in those killings because she was so slavishly mesmerized by his spell. At least 5 crime books have been written about that case. No doubt this case will generate its own share of crime novels, after the trial is over. I agree that this sounds like a two-person crime, and not just a single criminal.\r\n\r\nAs for the article, what a mountain of dog poop! This is the foolish-type of person I don't argue with in life--I just knod and smile and then excuse myself from his loony company. It sounds like the Australian sun has baked his silly brain really good.","author":"Techno Destructo","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-06-27 19:47:07","modified":"2003-06-27 19:47:07","fileurl":""},{"id":73106,"heading":"Errrrrr...","article":"Errrrrr... Mr. Techno Destructo - that's racism! Joe Vialls research on the Yvonne Fletcher case (Lybian Embassy, London 1984) and the Martin Bryant case in Tasmania are excellent journalism. Saying 'the Australian sun has baked his silly brain really good' [sic] is just a waste of keystrokes!\r\n\r\n'Perverting the course of justice' so far amounts to Carr and Huntley's stories getting a mixed up thus implying their guilt. But more is needed - there's no evidence apparent other than that Huntley's gone a bit mad but really, wouldn't anyone? Either falsely accussed or guilty, Rampton Hospital conditions would drive anyone to suicide. \r\nLet the evidence come out. At least through Joe Vialls website we've seen arial shots of Lakeheath's perimeter where the girls bodies were found!\r\nI agree with comments above that the public have a right to know, Huntley and Carr have a right to an unbiased trial and if found not guilty, the real murderer(s) must be apprehended and tried. Problems with the Police investigation? - a resounding Yes!","author":"Gregg McKenzie","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-07-18 07:34:16","modified":"2003-07-18 07:34:16","fileurl":""},{"id":78133,"heading":"russ","article":"Well Well Well....... the police officer arrested for child porn offences who was on this case had been cleared they stiched him up to take the public mind of the real story............","author":"don juan","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-21 09:16:53","modified":"2003-08-21 09:16:53","fileurl":""},{"id":78290,"heading":"Me","article":"The fact that there have been only 11 convictions doesn't mean that it's a rare event. The simple fact is that the armed forces of many nations (not least of all Britain) have an appalling record of sexual abuse (and worse) of women and children all over the World. This has been well documented despite being covered up (for obvious reasons) by the various nation states. In Kenya the British Army has been accused of the systematic rape of 100's of local women and not one soldier has been questioned about it let alone convicted. Again there is evidence of a cover up by both the Kenyan authorities and the MOD. That said, the scale of the problem is hotly disputed by ordinary Kenyans and of course the MOD alike. \r\n\r\nWhen you consider that the MOD has been covering up the mysterious deaths of young servicemen in the army going back several years then it doesn't take much of a leap of the imagination to suppose it is possible that the same could be true here. The whole case has been shrouded in mystery and some of the "facts" just don't seem to add up. When you now take into account that Ian has tried to commit suicide when he was under 24 hour suicide watch, it just adds another twist in the tale. \r\n\r\nI don't have a view on whether he is guilty or not because I'm not aware of all the evidence. However, it wouldn't be the first time the Police have "found" their man and then built their case around him. There are a great many examples of where the Police have fabricated evidence to secure a conviction because they believed they had the right man and because of this belief they feel their actions are justified. \r\n\r\nGiven the length of time Ian Huntly has been in custody it's hard to believe that he will be found anything other than guilty. If he is found to be innocent then the Police and the Government will be ripped apart by the papers for letting the real killers get off the hook as the trail will be very cold after more than a year. In fact, following this line of logic Huntly is guilty and the Police must have the evidence they need to secure a conviction, how else could they hold him for this long without a trial. I expect they have been holding out simply to ensure that he was fit for trial rather than pleading insanity and "getting off" with it. \r\n\r\nI've also read on here that there is the view that child murder is on the increase. Again this simply isn't the case. In fact, if anything, the incidence of child murder has decreased in the last 50 years. It's just much better reported nowadays with 24 hour news programmes, the Internet and God knows how many Newspapers in circulation. As a result, every violent and terrible murder gets transmitted to most of the World within hours of it happening and we all feel less safe as a result because it seems to be happening all the time.","author":"I. Am. He.","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-21 21:23:57","modified":"2003-08-21 21:23:57","fileurl":""},{"id":78291,"heading":"Mr","article":"Sounds to me as if you are little on the sick side as well. (No offence but come on)","author":"I. Am. He.","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-08-21 21:26:48","modified":"2003-08-21 21:26:48","fileurl":""},{"id":83964,"heading":"what if ...","article":"Now Now ! i understand your points but we can't play any games with this. The worldwide out poor of grief for these girls was overwhelming, mainly from media intervention which i do not necessarily agree with.The police had to take a sensitive approach to this particular case, and also the question of a fair trial for maxine and ian is an important factor. The police needed a suspect, and although we have not heard any concrete evidence my argument is this. If they let them go, what if they were the murderers ?? But to be honest if they did not have sufficient enogh evidence they wouldnt be in the position they are. Other contribuatry factors the school the location the personal connec tion. In the past we have seen cases with close family or friend ties . With the constant media presence in this case it is hard to formulate your own unbiased oppinion. But i believe this let god judge the final outcome. taken too soon ","author":"lisa j","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-09-23 12:44:42","modified":"2003-09-23 12:44:42","fileurl":""},{"id":88293,"heading":"with regards your theory","article":"Mmm,\r\nSo working on your theory, [its link with relaity quite tenuous at best] the Yorkshire Ripper didn't do it - because he ran the risk of dumping bodies in places he could easily have been discovered. Shall I go on with other multiple killers working in the same 'risky' fashion? \r\n\r\nI shall be in court for the Soham trial and be totally amazed if Cambridgeshire police haven't got an airtight case. As for the Liason Officer with a murky past or political motives from Blair and co - this is just pathetic hogwash. The body language argument is so flawed and subjective it's ridiculous. Psychopaths and sane people alike can fool polygraphs - so what? Huntley was in shock - his behaviour was consistent with this and this alone. Innocent or otherwise he would have behaved much the same. He didnt have time to think calmly so his body language was consistent with normal reactions given the very strange circumstances.\r\n\r\nI don't know what the Aussie police are like 'mate', but here they very rarely risk charging a couple on offences as grave as these without a very good fighting chance in the courts.\r\n\r\nIt will transpire that Huntley and Carr will probably go for the samedefence that Moors killers Hindley and Brady went for. 'We had the kids but passed them on'.\r\n\r\nWhatever their defence, the forensic evidence alone wil be damning. And in a few months from now, you will be wondering what quite drove you to postulate such utter, amateur and ridiculous drivel. Grow up.","author":"ANTHONY ROOKE","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-10-11 09:00:41","modified":"2003-10-11 09:00:41","fileurl":""},{"id":93323,"heading":"Miss Letitia","article":"This could be possible........ Why has Mr Huntly not admitted to the murders after so long being interragated. With the evidence collected to frame him surly a guilty man would now admit to reduce sentencing...........Its been knowen to happen that the british goverment can plant things to frame someone,also witnesses can be easily bribed....Could this have happend here?...I dont know...... Justice for darling Holly and Jessica.....","author":"?","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-08 12:00:26","modified":"2003-11-08 12:00:26","fileurl":""},{"id":93524,"heading":"Tack","article":"The standard of discussion, grammar and spelling on this site is very poor indeed. I would be surprised if any of you could put forward a reasoned argument for, or, against the accused persons. I look forward to reading more monosylabic "cyber" grunting in the near future. By the way, Huntley is guilty as hell. He has displayed all of the classic signs of guilty behaviour after the fact. He has stayed close to police, asked too many questions, appeared to be helpful at every occasion. He is almost screaming "I did it, it was me"!","author":"Tack Tack","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-09 21:26:13","modified":"2003-11-09 21:26:13","fileurl":""},{"id":93892,"heading":"Mr","article":"When Huntley and Carr were first arrested I sought the opinion of a friend, who happens to be a forensic expert (not connected with the case in any way), on the the likelihood of their guilt or innocence. He told me that the most prevalent view amongst his colleagues in the medical, prison and legal establishment was that the unfortunate Huntley fitted the ideal suspect profile so closely that a guilty verdict would be a certainty. He opined further that Carr seemed unlikely to be 'turned' by the prosecution and could expect a term of seven years in jail. ","author":"Omega","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-13 03:48:54","modified":"2003-11-13 03:48:54","fileurl":""},{"id":93919,"heading":"Mrs","article":"I'll bet now the trial has started, some of you are already eating your words, especially as the girls clothes were actually found in Huntley's house, cut in half, placed in a plastic bag, with his fingerprints on the inside. Well explain that one away. Also, to those of you who comment about not knowing any details. Of course the Police don't release details, you fools, this is supposed to be a fair trial. Having worked in murder incident rooms for many years, I feel qualified to say, that the police don't usually leave any stone unturned, especially in such a high profile case. It is not in their interest to make mistakes or omissions. Even when suspects are charged, they will still be following up further leads, just to make sure they've got it right. Even if some wacky medium rings up and says I dreamed this ....................... last night, believe it or not they still look into it. In this country the Police have not only to tread on eggshells, but live on them as well.","author":"Hampson","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-13 16:09:03","modified":"2003-11-13 16:09:03","fileurl":""},{"id":93937,"heading":"u dunno wat ur talkin about claire rivers","article":"if u paid attention ud realise that all the evidence points to ian huntley \r\n1st carr has pleaded guilty to assisting huntley \r\n2nd he 'just happend' change his unworn car tyres and completly clean th einterior of his car\r\n3rd he used to live around the area in which the girls were found \r\nid like u 2 read this then make ur own assumtions ","author":"anon","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-13 20:14:36","modified":"2003-11-13 20:14:36","fileurl":""},{"id":94828,"heading":"SSSShhhhhhh!!!!! Listen.","article":"Everything has gone a bit quiet all of a sudden. ","author":"damo","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-19 11:51:29","modified":"2003-11-19 11:51:29","fileurl":""},{"id":94842,"heading":"mum of 5","article":"i have always thought he was innocent look at the pain in his eyes , hes had that pain since he was a child look at the picture of him at 7 in the papers the police are just covering up they need a suspect and theyre nailing him, why dont they question those 2 police men who were in a peodophile ring that were working on the case at the time?, two much of a coincidence if you ask me. i loathe child molesters and killers with a passion iid kill them with my bare hands if i had the chance, but i believe this guy is innocent , so leaving the real killer or killers to kill again. its a stich up mark my words and all those who are daming him will live to eat there words, those that think hes innocent stand up and have your say ,ants are strong when they work together","author":"sharon","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-19 17:51:12","modified":"2003-11-19 17:51:12","fileurl":""},{"id":95498,"heading":"Mum","article":"Why is Huntley likely to admit that they died in his house shortly after entering and that there was no one else in there if he is innocent? If it was an accident then why didn't he call an ambulance? It looks like he will plead temporary insanity, this is why the defence team are at great pains to explain how he was clearly planning a cover up, rather than rushing around in a crazed panic.","author":"Me","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-25 22:06:23","modified":"2003-11-25 22:06:23","fileurl":""},{"id":95677,"heading":"mrs","article":"I think reading back that I wanted some answers tonight - I hope that Holly and Jessica's parents get the answers they hope for. It seems obvious that we will all learn the truth in the end however boring it may be to us.\r\n","author":"ashbourne","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-28 02:55:00","modified":"2003-11-28 02:55:00","fileurl":""},{"id":95690,"heading":"The case against Huntley is very strong","article":"He kept pestering the cops about DNA evidence. The pollen samples found in the trunk of his car and on three pairs of shoes match the flora of the area where the girls were buried.\r\n\r\nHe doesn't look like a killer to me, but that's not admissible in court.","author":"Son of the Morning","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-28 08:04:58","modified":"2003-11-28 08:04:58","fileurl":""},{"id":95772,"heading":"Where's the evidence?","article":"So far i am convinced of 2 facts:-\r\n1. The girls disappeared on the evening of 4th August\r\n2. Their bodies were reported as having been found on 17th August.\r\nThe rest of it sounds like a poor quality detective story and i don't beleve it at all. Go and take a look at Lakenheath and see what chance you would have of setting fire to the bodies outside the fence and not be seen. Impossible. Take a look at a Ford Fiesta and see if you can place 2 bodies in the boot. Etc etc....\r\n","author":"Hugh","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-29 09:17:06","modified":"2003-11-29 09:17:06","fileurl":""},{"id":95783,"heading":"let them rest in peace","article":"we are now about day 16 through this appaling trial and ian huntingley has admitted that these two girls died in his house but puts it down to an accident. The evidence the defence has given has been lame by anyone's standards and after hearing all the evidence it will be down to 12 people like you and me to find these two people guilty or not guilty. I guess we should all count our lucky stars that we are not on that jury having to look at pictures and hear such appaling evidence. And what we must remember is two families have lost their little girls in such tragic circumstances. if they can handle themselves with such self respect and strength why do people feel the need to leave comments of such filth on this site. May justice be done and these two angels left to rest in peace","author":"confused","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-11-29 15:49:34","modified":"2003-11-29 15:49:34","fileurl":""},{"id":96141,"heading":"Nonsense","article":"Joe Vialls article is utter nonsense - as are his continued updates.\r\n\r\nFor example - in his December 1st article he claimed that it was 'leaked' to the jury that Huntley had previously been accused of rape. He goes on to say that the jury was not told how he was later acquitted through video evidence.\r\n\r\nThose are two outright lies.\r\n\r\nFirst of all - the jury was told in open court that Huntley had previously been accused of rape (this came out in transctripts of Maxine Carr's phone calls). And they were also told of his acquittal.\r\n\r\nIt's something they have now been told a number of times.\r\n\r\nAt best - this means Joe is incompetent.\r\n\r\nAt worst - it means he's lying - in an attempt to further his own daft agenda.\r\n\r\nIt also calls into question his numerous other rants.\r\n\r\nPlease bear this in mind before treating this loon's articles as gospel.","author":"Stu Redman","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-03 20:18:14","modified":"2003-12-03 20:18:14","fileurl":""},{"id":96153,"heading":"Huntly","article":"Is there something wrong with you. Have you been staring at the american flag for too long. You certainly are crazy, maybe even a bit brainwashed. The facts are he lured them into his house on the pretext that Maxinne was in the bath upstairs, had his way with them, then murdered them both. Later hiding the bodies at Lakenheath. What is it you don't understand......\r\nIt has nothing at all to do with silly america soldiers at all. If it had you would by now have had american servicemen on trial. Do you think our policemen are as stupid as yours. At least ours dont follow football players up the motorway in his car with blood on his hands and let him walk free. Your letter is nothing but s***e. Like yourself.","author":"Graham","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2003-12-03 22:40:56","modified":"2005-08-15 01:01:20","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/bckeefscarf.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2003\/12\/bckeefscarf.jpg"}},{"id":96229,"heading":"Facts?","article":"At this stage, it is not a fact that Huntley lured the girls into his house and murdered them; it will only become a fact when and if the jury reaches a verdict of guilty.\r\n\r\nBut it is, and it will remain, a fact that Huntley\u2019s car is too small for him to have put their bodies into the boot (trunk) before driving them to Lakenheath, (assuming that is where they were really found). \r\n\r\nTherefore the girls did not leave the village in Huntley\u2019s car and therefore he did not murder them. \r\n\r\nWe can enjoy Ian Huntley\u2019s lengthy trial and take satisfaction when he is sent down for the rest of his life, but don\u2019t forget, whoever committed this terrible crime remains free, possibly to do the same again.\r\n","author":"Hugh","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-04 11:59:49","modified":"2013-11-11 00:27:52","fileurl":""},{"id":96248,"heading":"nonsense","article":"a ford fiesta has ample boot space to put 2 small children in - stop talkin bollocks.....","author":"me","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-04 16:23:07","modified":"2003-12-04 16:23:07","fileurl":""},{"id":96286,"heading":"Hmmm","article":"Hugh I assume you're talking from experience?\r\n\r\nI must say it is quite shocking that someone would go onto the Internet and happily admit trying to stuff small dead girls into the boot of a Ford Fiesta.\r\n\r\nBut then how else would you know it's a 'fact' the boot was too small?","author":"Stu Redman","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-04 23:57:02","modified":"2003-12-04 23:57:02","fileurl":""},{"id":96743,"heading":"who done it?","article":"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE\r\nJuly 31, 2003\r\nRelease #073103-4\r\n\r\nPrinter Friendly Version\r\n \r\n\r\nROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, Suffolk \u2013 A sergeant assigned to the 451st Intelligence Operations Squadron at RAF Menwith Hill, United Kingdom, was sentenced by a military judge to a dishonorable discharge, confinement for six years, and a reduction in grade to E-1 during a court-martial here, July 23.\r\n\r\nTech. Sgt. Randy Bitter pleaded guilty to one specification of Article 120, Uniform Code of Military Justice, carnal knowledge with a female family member under 12 years old, and two specifications of Article 134, UCMJ, indecent acts with the same victim.\r\nThe UCMJ contains the laws that all servicemembers must obey.\r\n\r\n-30-","author":"flow","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-09 11:31:12","modified":"2013-11-11 00:27:54","fileurl":""},{"id":96752,"heading":"hmmm","article":"Perhaps Stu Redman has not seen a Ford Fiesta, or perhaps, since he has not mentioned any shock at another recent letter on this page, he also finds that \u201c a ford fiesta has ample boot space to put 2 small children in\u2026\u201d.\r\n\r\nHuntley has admitted closing the boot with the two bodies inside, which is most helpful to the prosecution since no-one will ask the jury to consider whether it is actually possible for him to have done so. \r\n\r\nCome to think of it, how convenient that Huntley has admitted to everything that the prosecution could wish for (and as a bonus has denied murder with the result that they can destroy his absurd \u201cexplanation\u201d, without the need for a plausible alternative). I wonder if the case would have come to trial if there had been the possibility of serious questioning of the evidence, or rigorous cross examination of the witnesses.\r\n\r\nBut why has he been so helpful? He could have denied everything and let the prosecution try and prove its case. Alternatively, if he believed he was guilty he could have pleaded guilty, and the trial would have been completed in a few days. Instead he chooses the worst possible option for himself.\r\n\r\nAll very strange.\r\n\r\n","author":"Hugh","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-09 13:50:41","modified":"2013-11-11 00:27:54","fileurl":""},{"id":97013,"heading":"let it be....","article":"has any1 took notice to what has happened in the court case. There certainly is significant evidence pointing towards the conviction of Ian Huntly. He know admits to perverting the courts of justice and he admits that both girls died in his house, accidently. How could two 10 yr olds die without putting up a fight. His story is laughable. i feel so sorry for the families of both of these girls. \r\n\r\nmaxine carr is as much to blame for not going to the police when she suspected he had killed them. She to is sick. There storys do not add together there is still somethin missing from this huge jigsaw puzzle. Could some one else be involved... but we are only opinionators let the police and forensics do there job, we as the public can do nothing to intervine so let us all rest as at the end of the day whether he is guilty or not we cannot change the verdict that the judge will give unless any1 out there has significant evidence towards the case...........","author":"sexkitten401","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-12 10:18:38","modified":"2003-12-12 10:18:38","fileurl":""},{"id":97095,"heading":"Mr","article":"Load of nonsense and a complete disrespect for the Memory of Holly and Jessica.\r\n\r\nRead the facts and the evidence given. I have now read of 1000 pages of transcripts from all sides of this case.\r\n\r\nHuntley, Guilty of Murrder\r\nCarr, Guilty of perverting the course of justice, but not guilty of assisting a known offender.\r\n\r\nSee transcripts of the trial at http:\/\/www.sky.com\/news and search for soham transcripts","author":"DaveW","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-13 13:35:25","modified":"2003-12-13 13:35:25","fileurl":""},{"id":97160,"heading":"chris","article":"parents of children holly and jessica had previous\r\nconvictions and were not of good character-police\r\nsaid there is more to case than meets the eye","author":"cj","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-14 15:30:18","modified":"2003-12-14 15:30:18","fileurl":""},{"id":97181,"heading":"Mr","article":"At last, someone who\u2019s done a bit of research. DaveW has read 1000 pages of transcripts, from all sides, and his conclusion agrees with the news media. Until now I had been doubtful about much of the evidence, and thought it looked like a fit up, so it\u2019s good that Dave can confirm that they are guilty.\r\n\r\nI\u2019ve been doing a little research myself over the last few weeks; I\u2019ve visited car dealers and looked inside the boots of Ford Fiestas of various ages and I\u2019ve taken a few measurements. \r\n\r\nWhat I want to know is how Huntley closed the boot of his Fiesta with the bodies of two 10 year olds inside. It\u2019s very small and the wheel arches take up quite a lot of space; even one body wouldn\u2019t be that easy. \r\n\r\nBut two bodies? My sister-in-law has a Fiesta and she says \u201cnot a chance\u201d. In fact everyone I\u2019ve spoken to says it can\u2019t be done. I know Huntley says it\u2019s possible, but who can believe anything that man says? \r\n\r\nWhat do you think Dave?\r\n","author":"H2310","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-14 18:03:19","modified":"2013-11-11 00:28:00","fileurl":""},{"id":97442,"heading":"This is ridiculous","article":"I really don't see any point in continueing with this debate. Ian Huntley has admitted that the girls died in his house and that he disposed of the bodies. Maxine Carr has admitted that she lied to police (though she insists that she genuinely believed he was not the killer).\r\n\r\nToo much details are in the public domain to give any further credence to this silly conspiracy theory. Forget about it.","author":"Philip Dore","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 14:06:36","modified":"2003-12-16 14:06:36","fileurl":""},{"id":97485,"heading":"This is not ridiculous","article":"If you don\u2019t see any point in continuing with this debate, why bother to continue with it yourself? \r\n\r\nAnd who are you to tell anybody to forget about it? For my part I will forget about it when I find out how he fitted the bodies in the boot, and I don\u2019t imagine that\u2019s something you are capable of explaining; looks like you\u2019re too lazy or too stupid to understand what this \u201ctrial\u201d is really about. \r\n","author":"h2310","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 17:11:25","modified":"2013-11-11 00:28:02","fileurl":""},{"id":97504,"heading":"Question for H2310","article":"Do tell - what is the trial really about?\r\n\r\nBecause I - having sat through this trial for the last six weeks - I was under the impression it was about the murder of two young girls.","author":"Stu Redman","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 18:44:25","modified":"2003-12-16 18:44:25","fileurl":""},{"id":97505,"heading":"Question for H2310","article":"So what exactly is this trial about?\r\n\r\nHaving sat through it for the last six weeks - I was under the impression it was about the murder of two young girls.\r\n\r\nWhat do reckon it's about - some ludicrous theory tying them into the war with Iraq?","author":"Stu Redman","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-16 18:46:49","modified":"2003-12-16 18:46:49","fileurl":""},{"id":97613,"heading":"h2310 Question","article":"Sitting in the Old Bailey for 6 weeks \u2013 what can this mean? Juror? \u2013 one hopes not. Member of the public? - could be. Or a journalist perhaps\u2026 Who knows? \r\n\r\nAnyway, to your question. I reckon it\u2019s about solving the crime without the bother of finding who was responsible; nothing more sinister than that. I have no idea if there is a connection with the war in Iraq, but even if there is, it makes no difference. Now \u2013 about that Fiesta\u2026 \r\n\r\nBy the way, during your six weeks stint, did anyone question why it turned out that so many mistakes were made about the time in Soham on that evening? \r\n\r\nNo reason why anyone in particular should know what the correct time is, but in general, people will be somewhere near right. Except in Soham after 6.30pm on a summer evening, where the girls were reported to have been seen by a number of people, as much as an hour after the CCTV picked them up and after Huntley claimed to see them. \r\n\r\nBefore 6.30pm everything can be worked out to the nearest minute (although only by changing the time shown on the CCTV recording by a considerable amount). But after 6.30pm nobody knows the time anymore - what happened? \r\n","author":"h2310","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-17 08:02:43","modified":"2013-11-11 00:28:02","fileurl":""},{"id":97660,"heading":"Well..","article":"Regarding timings after 1830...Off the top of my head I can give you a few.\r\n\r\n1831 - Girls spotted by people leaving sports centre.\r\n\r\n1832\/33 - Estimated time the girls first encounter Ian Huntley\r\n\r\n1846 - Jessica's mobile gets turned off\r\n\r\n2230 - Ian Huntley's back in Soham. Encounters searchers whilst walking his dog.\r\n\r\nAnd after that there are numerous timings for various encounters with Ian Huntley.\r\n\r\nRegarding the later sightings of the girls - people make mistakes, both with regards to times and what they saw. This isn't an issue that would be discussed in court - as it is irrelevant - it's an established fact the girls weren't seen after 1832 because they would soon die and be dumped in a ditch.","author":"Stu Redman","parent_id":18904,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2003-12-17 18:48:51","modified":"2003-12-17 18:48:51","fileurl":""}]}