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Who Are You going to find to fight your war?

by ravah Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 12:16 AM

So now "allready disenchanted" youth must fight your war?

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Check dis..........

by ravah Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 12:18 AM

I don't seem to understand how people seem to think that the alienated youth in this country will defend this country all the sudden? As I walk down the street I get the prejudice looks as if they (most americans) Allready know we will not fight thier war.

And, who are they going to find to hire all these extra security people? Where are they going to find 227 new firefighters and police officers? Do they honestly think that after they ignored the culture of the american youth that all the youth will defend them? Maybe 2 out of 400 will. Mostly because they will succumb to the brainwashing of corporate television and thier yuppie, possesion loving parents.

I am amazed at how quickly people assume that the youth in this country will participate in thier carnage and destruction when all along (even in the 60's) they have tried to warn them about the ridicoulous nature of war. The youth nowadays have been shot at, tear gassed, pepper sprayed, killed, beaten and ignored with extreme disgust. Then to be written off by corporate media as "violent protesters". Isn't that why they gave us Gore and "W" bush because they wanted to Silence us once and for all, The generation of "X"? We shall unite But we are allready united. We have been united for 10 years or so. Wehave been waiting to make our move. (smells like teen spirit) Only to be discredited by the government and facsist yuppies. So look again.

What really bothers me is that the oiginal generation that stood up to the vietnam war is now looking to the generation of X they worked so hard to silence. For example, the attacks on the video game industry, Movies, MUSIC, raves, cartoons, free speech, clothing and the pusuit of the american dream by a generation of youth who are commited to contribute to a evolutionary cause to better the world like no other generation.

So now, after you have forced me into the desert and onto indian reservations only to have 20,000 or so drugged people get into their cars prematurely and drive long distances home because what rave and dance culture represents to White government & Law enforcement is stupid black/indian culture is supposed to be a good reason to join the military now?

Your fuckin crazy!

Good luck.

Raves are every weekend and draw anywhere from 2,000 to 40,00 people in damn near every city in the country. Let alone the world.

It's not like they wanted us then. Why should we defend them now?

What did bill clinton do during vietnam? Dubya kept texas safe from Charlie and the ho chi min trail. These are not role models to get behind. They are cowards. And the generation they represent are cowards and are going to be the only ones available for this war.

Do you think (like veitnam) young black people are going to rush to the recruiting office? Why? They tried to rap about their lifestyle they had and all the government did was tell them to shut up in a not so positve way. You enslave them to this day. (nfl, nba) So look again.

So the indians are going to fight your war? Oh yeah sure. They did not fight much when you took it from them. So look again.

Maybe the gays that bush wanted to remove from the military will fight but only if they don't die of aids in the process. I am sorry that is wrong. I should'nt say that. Gays will not fight for bush. So look

again.

How about all those new mexican voters that bush is courting. But then who would do your precious lawn? Or wax your car or, pick you fruit, or sow your tennis shoes? Who will make your whoppers and who will remodel your home? This is not even thier country. So look

again.

Maybe we can let the millions of prisoners in this country fight the war for us? Yeah right. Hitler asked the jews to defend france for him to. No prisoner that is beaten and is living in a tiny cell will be able to fathom being out in the wide open desert. Among many other reasons. So look again.

Maybe we could round up all the homeless people on the street and make them carry a gun over there? Oh wait, we allready have that, it's called the draft. So look

again.

How about the punk rockers or metalheads or rappers or wiggers or ravers or housers or netheads or musicians. Okay these are the people that the governmaent has alienated the most. That would be great to get rid of them in this WAR. Wait, I really think you should equate elvis and eminem in this situation. Could you see eminem with a machine gun? Wait, maybe not so look again.

MAybe the arabs can fight the arabs for us? That would be great if you are a bigot or racsist. So look

again.

Maybe the yuppies and those corporate assholes will have to fight this war alone. Oh god forbid. Do they make a drug for that? It seems that only the corporate television wants a war. Perhaps because in one of those three buildings the possesions in them far outweigh the human life lost.

I want to say that life is precious. No matter who they are. No matter what they represent. My mom always told me that two wrongs do not make a right. Four rights do make a left. I cannot agree with any retalliation towards anyone no matter how sick or twisted the actions they represent. If this is a country of justice and law, then put bin ladden in a cell and let him suffer for the rest of his life. You can put the plane crashing into the building on a loop and make him watch it over and over again.

Again, I say to you hateful warmongers,

GOOD FUCKING LUCK TRYING TO FIND PEOPLE TO DIE FOR YOUR FINANCIAL AND WAR INSTITUITIONS.

Don't ask gen x unless you will shut the fuck up when it comes to our culture which is far more powerful than you may want to aknowledge.

Make love not war.

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You assume too much

by PeeZo Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 1:07 AM

What are you talking about? Only a very small minority of the generation you speak of has protested or feels alienated. You can't apply your view of the world to an entire generation.

The country will find plenty of people to fight this "war."

Some of the biggest consumers of corporate goods and services is your generation x.

Gen x has no special insight into anything, except maybe to the specs on the most popular SUV's

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All things are right, wrong and indeterminate

by Sundog Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 2:03 AM
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I see the point that the majority of todays youth is in fact brainwashed. It is my dream that we could all put down our precious new gadget of the moment and for a minute think of where it is from.

Sony.....

Neglecting to think that an electronics company that makes such cool shit could be a part of a larger whole that sucks mad oil from the earth. And to think a lot of thes kids who wouldn't normally support Bush do so every time they buy those damned walkmans and what not. I grew up around a very large sprawl community full of ignorance and sloth, But let's not lose all hope.

I have siblings and I am their influence and inspiration. I told them that just because people are given authority doesn't mean they have to tell the truth.

Schools, Police, Parents, Presidents,

the only person any one needs to truely listen to is them selves.

This generation may not be the ones to see the outcome of the revolution but we will start it. It sucks things must get worse before they get better but we cannot build our new world of peace on the rubble of this world of fear war consumption and intollerance. The tower must fall as Saturn aligns and deams the deeds of our forfathers evil indeed

If every one reading could just do their part and follow their heart and teach others about the falsities of media reality. And stand up and know that to do you will is the only law and that any one standing in your way will have to deal with the universe. blessings

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peezo is dumb.

by ravah Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 2:18 AM

PeeZo,

You have to be stupid. For, years Gen X has established its own "stuff" and has the "Majority" of gen xers buying it.

We have our own ecomnomy. Just cause you cant find it does not mean its not there. Obviously.

If you live in LA, then surely you have seen melrose and in that High rent area, plenty of Gen xers have company's there.

So go back to your material possesions that mean squat to gen x.

Any gen xer driving a minivan or suv is prolly borrowing it from mommy and daddy. And if it is his, the rims and stereo were not yuppie crap.

Take that beeeyatch!

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PS Peezo

by ravah Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 2:22 AM

All the kids that rave are protesting some sort of inequality and injustice. Just cause they are not in your movement, Don't mean they are not moving. Dumb shit.

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Genx no different than any other generation

by PeeZo Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 2:30 AM

Every generation thinks they are more enlightened than the last. However, our country is still in the shitter so these generations really weren't any better at fixing things than any that came before them.

But now gen x is going to come along and finally stand up and change the world?

Get serious, your generation has already fallen into line and is doing the mans business. The proof is partly in the fact the the US Army's recent "Army Of One" campaign has been the most successful enlistment ploy of all time. And yes, it's your gen xers that are running each other over to join up.

So your little group of friends may hold high ideals but the vast majority of 18-25 year olds in this country have nothing in common with you except their age. They're gonna grow up just like their moms and dads.



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PS Ravah

by PeeZo Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 2:35 AM

Since when does raving produce social change?

You're probably living in your parent's basement and blowing your 20 dollar a week allowance on X and loading up on thrift store clothing.

You're an just another idiot poser numbnut teenager without a clue.







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another "Lost Generation" of youth?

by invisible ink Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 3:37 AM

while i very much admire the positive anti-authoritarian energy and support coming from young people in a variety of movements (it has no doubt been vital and essential), i do worry that there is a much larger majority that may be willing and ready to die at the hands of the false media machine. already i have heard college students praising Bush's "performance" and commiting to the patriotic duty of carrying out whatever his government decides to do.

i read this article below by David Brooks a few months ago that makes some very timely and creepy comparisons between the generation of college students today and the generation of college students just before WWI broke out. i pray his comparison is off the mark; i fear for many young lives and for all of us if he is right. i hope that young people who read this refute it, and get the word out, mobilize among their peers, and prove it wrong, before we construct and dispatch another "Lost Generation" of youth.

also: i think it's dangerous in times like these to expend energy fighting about things like whose generation is better, etc., or just fighting in general. things are about to get very ugly for us in a very serious way. this is a time to be building community and solidarity. there is a massive state/corporate/media machine poised and prepared and ready to beat down anyone with opposing views, and in an atmosphere like this, any small excuse will suffice to do so. we need to support one another, not help the state by beating each other down.



THE ORGANIZATION KID

David Brooks

The Atlantic Monthly, April 2001, 7 pages

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/04/brooks-p1.htm

"Unlike their sixties-generation parents, today's 'extraordinarily bright, morally earnest, and incredibly industrious' college students not only defer to authority; they admire it, contends author David Brooks. In this article, he analyzes the state of campus life; traces the social, historical, and economic forces that molded the character of this generation; and examines the implications of his findings in light of America’s values and future."

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More Generalizations

by brownoneyque Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 3:58 AM

Yes, so some youth today are doped up on mtv and material consumer culture. But we

have to remeber one thing that most older young people as they age (late 20s to 30s)

want to deny. While older people have more knowledge than youth, because of

experience, in a way young people will always know more than them, because they

don't just have to look at the past, but can reflect on the present as it changes in

relation to the past. When most people reach their late 20s and 30s they get

cynical and pissed off obviously because they're not as young anymore and don't

have the freedom of irresponsibility. This is what killed the hippie generation.

And granted, while history does repeat itself, there is alway change, effected by

young people who take a stand to do things differently....

Young people do learn from the history and the previous mistakes of past generations

and try to affect change. We can be condescening like old farts and say that this

generation is numb, dumb, and doesn't care, but that is a very ageist response of th

e second order (against young people). The youth today are extraordinarily pissed

and sick of adult bullshit, to the extent that some are willing to commit genocide

against their peers under adult's fucked up coercion (neglect, lack of love, being

spoiled and brainwashed by materialism)

That is the threat, but left to their own devices, the youth are willing to rise up, organize

and effect change--people easily forget how many youth have been involved in the

anti-WTO, IMF, the DNC and RNC demonstrations. This was not an abberation..

Had more young people been informed, they would have been involved (but the news

media cannot be trusted and mtv floats pure bullshit)

So I agree that most young people across the US ARE ready to stand up and say

FUCK YOUR WAR!



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a challenge

by invisible ink Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 4:19 AM

in no way age-ist----and the only generalization i will make is that i believe that people, any age, given the truth, have the will and strength to rise up--and do so, organically. the human spirit always responds to oppression with resistance, even if it takes a while to kick in. there is just that pesky thing of information that needs to be put into the equation first somehow.

i just wish to challenge young people who are already aware to mobilize their peers and be aware of these kinds of historical comparisons and generalizations because i do not want to see them die.

i agree---many young people are aware--there is no doubt about that, given the life and spirit they have brought to various resistance movements. i just worry that a lot of young people are NOT aware. there were so many young people who died in vietnam before people started waking up. so many young people who died in WWII---and many people STILL don't realize the economics and state policies behind our participation in that war and what people really died for, not to mention the thousands of Japanese killed by atomic weapons just so we could test that weaponry. the corporate media is already making comparisons between this young generation and the one that fought in WWII, how they will be called upon by their country to sacrifice their lives etc.

i throw this out there for young people to take up because of this exact perception that "old farts" would be condescending etc. that's why i think it's especially important for young people to engage with their own peers and challenge this perception that they are complacent and ready to follow the corp machine, prove it wrong, work quickly to change it where they find it's true---it's a task that only they could really understand, and undertake.

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NEVER

by anonymous Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 4:48 AM

I would never, ever, EVER fight a war for america. NEVER. And I mean that from the bottom of my shit. I would never protect a country responsible for so much murder, violence, expliotation, enslavement, and oh god, the deception, the DECEPTION! THE HYPOCRICY!! It's like a video game, a fucking pawn in a video game. Never. I fight no war for america. Never. The only war I fight will be for humanity. And if the US Govt disagree's with that, then they'll have to go through me first before they destroy our whole planet.



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Peezo is silenced...............

by ravah Saturday, Sep. 15, 2001 at 8:07 PM

I appluad all of you that see the light.

You have suprised me by your words of solidarity.

I thought that when I posted this I would have a serious backlash but instead I see that I am in fact not alone.

I really think that momentum is still on our side.

Peezo, I think that you may fail to realize the extraordinary success that ravers have made for themselves. I actually own my own home and have a full operational music studio in my home. At 27 actually. I do very well for myself. In fact much better than you. I have everything I want including "momentum".

Xstacy has done alot to awaken the youth to the evils of this world. Including politics. It has allowed them to increase mind power by thinking for themselves. For once in history. All the corporate media has told you about exstacy and raves is corporate lies.

Your resistance only educates others. Which is why The "FLOCK" wants to tear it down. They fear open mided youth. I applaud all of us united against hate, carnage, death, racsism, inequality, war, lies, media, terrorism and, greed.

MAKE no mistake,

WE ARE UNITED LIKE YOU WOULD NEVER BELIEVE. FOR OUR OWN CAUSES. For example, on labor day weekend, 14 massive events took place around the country with anywhere from 25,000 to 65,000 people dancing for peace. This movement has been going on for 10 years solid. Only recently due to overwhelming exposure has raves come to the surface. It will remain solid and underground. Especially now. Punk has nothing on the Techno evolution.

You cannot fathom just how organized the rave community is.

Activism is what they do in thier own unique, unified way.

Join the army of one love.

P.L.U.R. Peace, Love, Unity and, check that Respect!!!!

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stand up for the country you live in

by An average american Thursday, Sep. 20, 2001 at 7:31 PM

If you hate this country and what it stands for then my only comment to you is pack your things and get out.

We will all be a lot better.........

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