{"article":{"id":8611,"heading":"Medellin Cartel Co-Founder Carlos Lehder A Free Man in Gov't. Charade?","author":"Mike Ruppert","created":"2001-07-11 19:09:25","modified":"2008-07-29 23:04:11","last_modified":"Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:04:11","article":"<br>  <br> HOSTAGES: A Multi-Part FTW Special Investigation <br><br> Medellin Cartel Co-Founder Carlos Lehder A Free Man in Gov't. Charade? -- <br>  <br> Wife of Drug Lord Speaks <br>  <br> American International Group, Arkansas, ADFA, Contras, Carlos Lehder and <br>  <br> Coral Reinsurance <br>  <br> Connections to 1996 Dark Alliance Series by Gary Webb <br>  <br> Carlos Lehder <br><br> [Part One of a Multi-Part Series] <br><br> by <br><br> Michael C. Ruppert <br><br> [(c) Copyright 2001, Michael C. Ruppert and From the Wilderness <br>  <br> Publications. All Rights Reserved. Part I ONLY may be copied and <br>  <br> redistributed for non-profit purposes only. All subsequent parts may be <br>  <br> copied or distributed only with express written consent of the author. ] <br><br> [EDITORIAL NOTE - From The Wilderness is a sole proprietorship and dba. It <br>  <br> is written and edited by one person. Me. I do almost all of the research. <br>  <br> Therefore, in the following story, for both legal reasons and for better <br>  <br> reading I have decided to use the personal pronouns \"I\" and \"me\" instead of <br>  <br> standard editorial references in the third person.] <br><br> ---------- <br><br> -- This series is dedicated to Mark Swaney of the Ozark Gazette for his <br>  <br> intellectual courage and tenacity; to John McGlaughlin, the straightest and <br>  <br> toughest man who ever honestly carried a badge; to Celerino Castillo III, <br>  <br> with a heart bigger than his beloved Texas; to all the young men and women, <br>  <br> mostly minority, who are serving up to life in prison for crimes that don't <br>  <br> remotely compare to those of Carlos Lehder, and to all the innocents in <br>  <br> Colombia who stand at the brink of the next Vietnam War. <br><br> ------------ <br><br> This is a story about lies. Big lies. Lies that have been told by many <br>  <br> people and organizations and that weave a web of imprisonment for the <br>  <br> American people and many of those who are described in this special report. <br>  <br> It is a story about deception, lies of omission and perhaps commission told <br>  <br> by one of the largest and most powerful insurance companies in the world - <br>  <br> AIG. It is a story about lies told by individuals to protect their self <br>  <br> interest, reputations and fortunes. It is especially about lies told by the <br>  <br> United States government as it continues to publicly celebrate the 1994 <br>  <br> death of drug lord Pablo Escobar whilst in massive preparation for military <br>  <br> intervention in Colombia. It is about the now apparent lie that Carlos <br>  <br> Lehder (co-founder of the Medellin cartel) languishes in the American prison <br>  <br> system being duly punished for his crimes. Instead he has, allegedly since <br>  <br> 1995, traveled the world a free man, owning as many as five homes and who - <br>  <br> according to a woman claiming to be his wife, speaking on tape (which I have <br>  <br> obtained) to credible third parties - enjoys US State Department protection. <br><br> But perhaps most importantly it is about the lies that the American people <br>  <br> tell themselves each day as they drown in a sea of denial, worried about <br>  <br> their pension plans, investments and careers, needing to deny the fact that <br>  <br> the so-called war on drugs is a flimsy house of cards that consumes millions <br>  <br> of innocent lives every year. It is a story about the lies told by the major <br>  <br> media that chooses to ignore the reality of hard documentation about CIA <br>  <br> involvement in the drug trade. If there is a common thread to this story it <br>  <br> is the fact that lies make us all hostages of our own fears and failings. <br>  <br> Eventually these lies entangle us to the point where even the slightest <br>  <br> movement becomes impossible and, being unable to move, we sink and we <br>  <br> drown - all the while looking for someone else to blame. <br><br> Denial is not a river in Egypt. <br><br> Carlos Enrique Lehder Rivas, aka Carlos Lehder, is the stuff of which <br>  <br> legends are made. Legends are sometimes good, sometimes bad. As is the case <br>  <br> with most legends there is a beautiful woman involved. There is also <br>  <br> intrigue, crime, violence, corruption and betrayal. But legends, when <br>  <br> examined closely, almost always tell more about the civilizations that <br>  <br> create them than they do about the one who carries the name. Carlos Lehder <br>  <br> is not a Colombian legend. He is an American legend. It is America that <br>  <br> created him. America that made him rich. America where he began his criminal <br>  <br> life. America where he was imprisoned and America that, it now appears, has <br>  <br> set him free. It is America's shame that Lehder's freedom, if established, <br>  <br> and alleged employment by the U.S. Government, are hidden behind lies told, <br>  <br> not by Lehder himself, but by the American government to its own people. <br><br> In 1979-80, reportedly with the assistance of the CIA and legendary drug <br>  <br> smuggler Barry Seal, Lehder co-founded the Medellin Cartel with Pablo <br>  <br> Escobar and brothers Fabio and Jorge Ochoa. As celebrated on CNN and by <br>  <br> recent books like Killing Pablo (Mark Bowden, 2001), Pablo Escobar was <br>  <br> gunned down in a hail of Colombian bullets directed by U.S. intelligence in <br>  <br> December, 1993. The Ochoas have faded into the jungle-like vortex of Latin <br>  <br> American lore although an October 1999 Reuters story indicated that Fabio <br>  <br> Ochoa had been arrested (again) in Bogota. Word of his promised extradition <br>  <br> to the U.S. has been hard to find. Carlos Lehder remains the only cartel <br>  <br> head to have ever been extradited to, then tried, convicted and sentenced to <br>  <br> life plus 135 years in, the United States. Prosecutors agree that Panamanian <br>  <br> strongman General Manuel Antonio Noriega - against whom Lehder testified in <br>  <br> return for a reduced sentence of 55 \"non-paroleable\" years in 1989 - was <br>  <br> merely one of Lehder's employees. <br><br> Other new material indicating that Lehder, after his 1987 arrest and <br>  <br> extradition, provided information to the DEA that assisted in Escobar's <br>  <br> downfall has been characterized by his prosecutor, former US Attorney Robert <br>  <br> Merkle, as nearly worthless. \"That's BS. We didn't need his help to get <br>  <br> Escobar,\" says Merkle. <br><br> As disclosed in this first of a series of special reports, I have now <br>  <br> amassed a sizeable body of documents, records, witness statements and even a <br>  <br> tape recording of Lehder's alleged wife indicating that Carlos Lehder is a <br>  <br> free man who has kept his money, who travels the world freely and who makes <br>  <br> a mockery of any notion that he might be a federally protected witness - <br>  <br> hiding to ensure his safety or the safety of his family. One telling clue to <br>  <br> Lehder's apparent lack of fear is the fact that he is listed by name in 411 <br>  <br> directory assistance in La Fayette, California, just outside San Francisco. <br>  <br> My researcher, while looking for other information, came across the listing <br>  <br> and sent it to me. I was able to confirm it as a listing for the Carlos <br>  <br> Lehder - not a coincidence - through confidential sources who know Lehder's <br>  <br> self-professed wife, Coral Marie Talavera Baca Lehder. And I have spoken to <br>  <br> Coral by calling her at that number myself. Mrs. Lehder was, until June 22, <br>  <br> a manager for the insurance giant AIG in San Francisco. [Subsequent segments <br>  <br> of this special series will focus on investigations into allegations of <br>  <br> money laundering by AIG with and through the Arkansas Development Financial <br>  <br> Authority in 1987 - the same year Lehder was originally captured]. <br><br> I had lunch with Coral two days before she resigned. When I called her San <br>  <br> Francisco office the following Monday, June 25, a company receptionist told <br>  <br> me that she had, \"Gone to Cuba.\" <br><br> Coral's reported flight to Cuba cuts off several interesting avenues that <br>  <br> warrant further investigation. Just prior to press time for Part I of this <br>  <br> series, a defense source connected to Lehder's appeal for sentence reduction <br>  <br> told me that their experience indicated clearly that Lehder was still in <br>  <br> prison and that no one named Coral was connected to Lehder in any legal <br>  <br> paperwork. Of all the journalists, experienced investigators and direct <br>  <br> witnesses interviewed for this story, only those who have worked to prepare <br>  <br> his appeals have raised the suggestion that Coral Marie Talavera Baca <br>  <br> (Lehder) is a fraud. The rest have stated that they have long suspected that <br>  <br> Lehder is a free man. So do I. And the possibility that the woman who has <br>  <br> represented herself as his wife for many years has staged an elaborate hoax, <br>  <br> while working for a company long connected to the CIA, only raises an <br>  <br> equally troubling set of questions. Why? For what purpose? To whose benefit? <br><br> Just hours before this issue needed to be at the printer's, an e-mail <br>  <br> arrived indicating that Lehder's current attorney (I do not know the name) <br>  <br> had just stated that Lehder was definitely in prison, answered the phone <br>  <br> promptly when called there, had never been married and had allegedly stated <br>  <br> that he had never heard of Coral Baca -- by any name. She was a fraud. At <br>  <br> the same time I have been told that the attorney may not identify himself to <br>  <br> me and probably will not make Lehder available for an interview. This <br>  <br> possible attempt by unnamed sources to delay publication of this story will <br>  <br> be thoroughly investigated for Part II of this series. <br><br> \"I've been speculating for years that Lehder was free... Why am I not <br>  <br> surprised? If Lehder is out of jail I would be extremely disappointed. It <br>  <br> would send some very bad signals. It's pretty tragic. There's a lot of kids <br>  <br> in jail for the rest of their lives -- I'm talking kids -- and a lot of them <br>  <br> are minorities for insignificant drug offenses compared to what he did,\" <br>  <br> says Lehder prosecutor and former US Attorney Robert Merkle. According to <br>  <br> various news sources at the time of his arrest in 1987 Lehder, then 37, was <br>  <br> reported to be worth between $2.5 and $3 billion. Throughout the early 1980s <br>  <br> his airstrip at Norman's Cay in the Bahamas was receiving cocaine flights <br>  <br> from Colombia, every hour on the hour, and transferring the loads to smaller <br>  <br> planes for distribution throughout the US. <br><br> Pittsburgh-Post Gazette reporter Bill Moushey, who has perhaps spent more <br>  <br> time tracking Lehder than any American journalist, wrote in 1996, \" In it [a <br>  <br> 1987 federal detention order] the U.S. government says Lehder and others <br>  <br> were responsible for assassinating Colombia's Justice Minister in 1984; for <br>  <br> the 1985 armed attack on Colombia's Supreme Court building that killed 11 <br>  <br> justices and 84 other people; for assassinating two newspaper editors in <br>  <br> Colombia and 26 other journalists; for shooting the Colombian ambassador to <br>  <br> Hungary in 1987; and for a long list of murders of police officers, <br>  <br> informants and other government officials.\" <br><br> Moushey's trail of Lehder grew cold in 1996. \"Within weeks of sending that <br>  <br> letter [of complaint regarding the government's alleged failure to honor <br>  <br> terms of secret plea bargain] last fall [1995], Lehder was whisked away into <br>  <br> the night, several protected witnesses at the Mesa Unit in Arizona say. No <br>  <br> one has heard from him since.\" However he has since indicated that, as of <br>  <br> late 1995, he believed Lehder to be in prison. <br><br> I have since talked nearly a dozen reporters, prosecutors and others <br>  <br> connected to the case. At the same time that they protest that they have <br>  <br> received Christmas cards, letters and even phone calls from Lehder <br>  <br> indicating that he is still in prison they all - every one of them - have <br>  <br> confessed their secret suspicions of a charade intended to fool them and <br>  <br> hide a very dark secret. And all of them, without exception, agree that if <br>  <br> Lehder is walking free it is time to find him and tell the American people <br>  <br> about it. <br><br> Days of Glory - Days of Shame <br><br> I first became aware of Carlos Lehder's possible freedom in the Spring of <br>  <br> 1997, not long after I had confronted CIA Director John Deutch on television <br>  <br> and stated that there was direct proof of CIA involvement in the drug trade. <br>  <br> Dick Gregory, the comedian, later told me that he had learned first hand <br>  <br> that my confrontation with Deutch, and Deutch's poor handling of the <br>  <br> situation, had cost Deutch a certain appointment as Secretary of Defense the <br>  <br> following month. I was something of a small-time celebrity afterwards. At <br>  <br> that time, however, those of us like retired DEA Agent Celerino Castillo, a <br>  <br> Bronze Star recipient from Vietnam who has devoted his life to exposing CIA <br>  <br> drug connections in the eighties, stood downstage from Pulitzer Prize <br>  <br> winning journalist Gary Webb whose August 96 Dark Alliance series in The San <br>  <br> Jose Mercury News had inflamed the nation with its allegations of direct CIA <br>  <br> connections to the Contras in Nicaragua and drug trafficking in LA. <br><br> In late 1996 I was approached by the publisher of the magazine Prevailing <br>  <br> Winds, Patrick Fourmy, a young Canadian videographer who was also <br>  <br> perennially scrambling to raise money. In several of our meetings Patrick <br>  <br> talked openly of how a woman named Coral Baca had instigated Webb's <br>  <br> investigations by providing him with secret federal grand jury transcripts. <br>  <br> [Although widely ridiculed or ignored by the mainstream media, many of <br>  <br> Webb's allegations were later corroborated in detail by a CIA Inspector <br>  <br> General report released on October 8, 1998 and by a Department of Justice <br>  <br> report released almost a year earlier.] On various trips and a meeting where <br>  <br> Fourmy videotaped an interview with me, he almost boasted about the fact <br>  <br> that Baca was engaged to Carlos Lehder. He claimed to have been the one who <br>  <br> \"introduced\" Baca to Webb by giving her Webb's office phone number. It <br>  <br> bothered me. But I was broke, unemployed due to an injury, and unable to do <br>  <br> anything but ask, \"Doesn't that bother you a little?\" <br><br> I met with Patrick maybe three times between then and the summer of 1998. At <br>  <br> one time he told of having actually met Lehder whom he repeatedly said was <br>  <br> out of prison. Other confidential sources, close to the Lehders, have told <br>  <br> me that Fourmy actually visited \"the house\" and videotaped an interview with <br>  <br> Carlos Lehder. I didn't see Patrick much after that. Contacted with written <br>  <br> questions for this story by e-mail and fax at his Santa Barbara offices, <br>  <br> Fourmy has not responded to my requests for comment. I have been unable to <br>  <br> locate a working phone number for him. <br><br> On June 28, 1998, just about two weeks after Webb's book Dark Alliance had <br>  <br> been released I was invited to attend a fund raiser at the Beverly Hills <br>  <br> home of Producer Jamie Otis and organized in part by Patrick Fourmy who did <br>  <br> the videography and arranged hotel accommodations. The purpose of the \"gala\" <br>  <br> event featuring Webb as a speaker, was to raise funds for \"citizen's <br>  <br> tribunals\" to be conducted by the Institute for Policy Studies in <br>  <br> Washington, D.C. I had just finished reading Webb's book and found it to be <br>  <br> ground-breaking and well documented. In the first pages of Dark Alliance <br>  <br> Webb wrote about his first meeting with Coral Talavera Baca, the woman now <br>  <br> known as Mrs. Carlos Lehder. In retrospect Webb's description of her seems <br>  <br> ponderous. <br><br> \"I turned, and for an instant all I saw was cleavage and jewelry. She looked <br>  <br> to be in her mid-twenties. Dark hair. Bright red lipstick. Long legs. Short <br>  <br> Skirt. Dressed to accentuate her positive attributes. I could barely speak. <br><br> 'You're Coral?' <br><br> She tossed her hair and smiled. 'Pleased to meet you.' She stuck out a hand <br>  <br> with a giant diamond on it, and I shook it weakly.\" - (p.6). <br><br> Earlier, on page 4, Webb had written that Coral worked for a law firm. What <br>  <br> he did not report was that the law firm was solely devoted to legal work for <br>  <br> AIG and that AIG had long standing ties to the CIA. Rather than reporting <br>  <br> that Talavera was engaged to Lehder -- which he claims he could not <br>  <br> establish -- Webb wrote in Dark Alliance that she was the \"girlfriend\" of <br>  <br> convicted San Francisco Bay Area drug dealer Rafael Cornejo. <br><br> The night of June 28 and the following day can best be described as surreal. <br>  <br> Coral and Webb arrived together and she stood by him as he spoke that night. <br>  <br> She looked more elegant than Webb had described and she was truly stunning. <br>  <br> Fourmy, who was busy with cables and cameras kept pointing her out and <br>  <br> saying, \"she's engaged to Carlos Lehder. I introduced them.\" Fourmy spent <br>  <br> much time that night with crime writer and author Joseph Bosco who made a <br>  <br> strange statement to me towards the end of the evening. \"Gary Webb should be <br>  <br> ashamed of himself for what he did to Coral.\" I have been unable to find out <br>  <br> what Bosco meant. <br><br> Fourmy, Bosco, Castillo and Coral were all staying at the Beverly Garland <br>  <br> Howard Johnson's in North Hollywood California. Although I was briefly <br>  <br> introduced to Baca [I use the names Talavera and Baca interchangeably to <br>  <br> reflect how she was addressed in various settings] just before she left the <br>  <br> event in a taxi cab, and didn't quite know what to say, it turns out that <br>  <br> she was more forthcoming in a conversation with Castillo. Just days after <br>  <br> the event Castillo called me and told me what she said that night and the <br>  <br> following day. He has since reconfirmed those statements for this story. <br><br> \"I remember that I was introduced to her by Fourmy,\" says the retired DEA <br>  <br> agent who has served in Peru and Central America. \"She said, straight out, <br>  <br> that she was engaged to Carlos Lehder... I couldn't believe it! What was she <br>  <br> doing here? I asked her, 'What's Carlos doing now?' and she said, 'Oh, he's <br>  <br> out of jail and selling drugs to the Russians for the CIA.' <br><br> \"I mean it just knocked me for a loop. It scared me. And then the next day <br>  <br> she was out by the pool. Patrick [Fourmy] was there. Joe Bosco was there. <br>  <br> She came down and sat with us. She was quite open and she said that her <br>  <br> company -- a company she owned that I later found out was Capital Investment <br>  <br> Group -- was owned by five of the largest drug dealers in South America. She <br>  <br> was very agitated at the government and she said that the government had <br>  <br> contacted Carlos and told him to 'put that bitch on a leash.' That, said <br>  <br> Castillo, was probably because of her openness in talking about the fact <br>  <br> that Carlos was out of prison and her public appearances with Webb. I have <br>  <br> confirmed that Baca made at least one other public appearance with Webb at a <br>  <br> book signing in Los Angeles. <br><br> Contacted at a New Orleans phone number, Joe Bosco has not returned a call <br>  <br> requesting comment. <br><br> Maxine Waters -- From the web site of Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D), <br>  <br> California: <br><br> \"I also had numerous telephone conversations with Coral Talavera Baca, the <br>  <br> girlfriend of Rafael Cornejo, who was a relative and part of Norwin Meneses' <br>  <br> drug trafficking organization, as well as a long-time business partner of <br>  <br> Danilo Blandon, another central figure in the \"Dark Alliance\" series. I <br>  <br> received information from Ms. Baca and Mr. Cornejo who were connected to <br>  <br> Carlos Lehder, a Colombian drug dealer and co-founder of the Medellin <br>  <br> Cartel. It was through Lehder's private island that the Medellin Cartel <br>  <br> moved massive amounts of cocaine to Miami and the United States. Ms Baca had <br>  <br> visited Carlos Lehder's private island and have [sic] information regarding <br>  <br> the connection between Mr. Lehder and Norwin Meneses.\" -- <br>  <br> http:\/\/www.house.gov\/waters\/31698pr.htm. Contacted for comment, Waters' <br>  <br> office had not responded at press time. <br><br> George Taylor -- George Taylor is a convicted felon. He has been part of the <br>  <br> Federal witness protection program known as Witsec. On June 18, 1996 he gave <br>  <br> sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee then looking into <br>  <br> serious problems with the program. In his testimony he stated: <br><br> \"The Units also housed one of the most sought after drug Kingpins in the <br>  <br> world. Carlos Lehder Rivas, leader of the Medellin Cartel. Lehder admitted <br>  <br> to ordering hundreds of killings, including a member of the Colombian <br>  <br> Supreme Court, politicians, and reporters. His net worth is over $3 billion <br>  <br> yet only $2 million in assets were ever seized. I reviewed Lehder's plea <br>  <br> assessment, he was convicted and sentenced to life plus 135 years with no <br>  <br> chance for parole. And then he joined the program by agreeing to testify <br>  <br> against Manuel Noriega, who in effect worked for Lehder. Federal officials <br>  <br> immediately cut Lehder's sentence to 55 years with eligibility for parole. <br>  <br> [This eligibility is disputed by a member of Lehder's defense team who spoke <br>  <br> on condition of anonymity]. Further sentence reductions made him eligible <br>  <br> for deportation to Germany, his homeland. I have been told that Lehder is <br>  <br> already in Germany. <br><br> \"While in the Unit, Lehder developed new drug smuggling plans for after his <br>  <br> release. He talked of a new frontier in the former republics of the Soviet <br>  <br> Union. He and [convicted Gambino crime family Capo Sammy the Bull] Gravano <br>  <br> talked of forming a partnership in a new cartel using money given to them by <br>  <br> our government. They asked me to join them and I turned them down.' <br><br> Gary Webb -- Contacted for comment Gary Webb responded: \"Coral's <br>  <br> relationship with Lehder, if there was one, was not very pertinent to what I <br>  <br> was looking at.\" Webb said he saw correspondence suggesting that she and <br>  <br> Lehder may have had a relationship a long time ago but whatever the nature <br>  <br> of that relationship was or is, it was her private business and had no <br>  <br> bearing on his inquiries as far as he could tell. <br><br> Robert Merkle -- \"I know that Lehder, right after he was arrested, tried to <br>  <br> cut a deal directly with [then Vice President George H.W.] Bush and the <br>  <br> FBI - which conversations I was excluded from... There's a lot of stuff that <br>  <br> went on that was questionable...I've been speculating for years that Lehder <br>  <br> was free but I figured he'd be in Germany or some tax haven with his money, <br>  <br> which he still has... One of the major things that was a red flag in terms <br>  <br> of indicating that he made a deal was that Lehder wasn't required to turn <br>  <br> over his assets... There was essentially nothing seized in that case and the <br>  <br> guy made millions of dollars. If I'm a U.S. Attorney or an Attorney General <br>  <br> and the only member of the Medellin Cartel to be prosecuted in the US, <br>  <br> facing life plus 120 years in jail, wants a deal, the first thing he's going <br>  <br> to talk to me about is money. What banks? Where are they located?\" <br><br> Texas is a One-Party State <br><br> Far and away Celerino Castillo's allegations are the most outrageous. They <br>  <br> demand a level of scrutiny beyond the denials or silence of the other <br>  <br> parties involved. <br><br> Under Texas state law, unlike Maryland where tape recordings of phone <br>  <br> conversations unauthorized by both parties proved the undoing of Monica <br>  <br> Lewinsky and resulted in legal action against Linda Tripp, Texas is a state <br>  <br> where only one party to any telephone conversation need grant permission <br>  <br> before recording a call. As a result of a number of investigations <br>  <br> connecting to the CIA in which he was then involved, Castillo had his <br>  <br> telephone set up to automatically record all incoming calls. This proved <br>  <br> fateful when he received a call from Coral in April of 1999. Castillo and <br>  <br> Baca had been in touch infrequently since the June, 1998 fund raiser. Baca <br>  <br> had been suggesting that she might be able to get Castillo work as an <br>  <br> investigative consultant on a legal case connecting to the CIA in San <br>  <br> Francisco and had even paid one phone bill for him in the preceding months <br>  <br> as a partial expense payment for that case. Castillo's early retirement had <br>  <br> resulted from his efforts to expose CIA involvement in Contra-connected drug <br>  <br> trafficking during the eighties and has been documented in his 1994 book <br>  <br> POWDERBURNS - Cocaine, Contras and the Drug War. <br><br> In June, 2001 I traveled to San Antonio Texas where I met Castillo and <br>  <br> obtained a copy of one of his \"Baca\" tapes. He says there are others he is <br>  <br> holding as \"insurance against any challenges against me\" and that the one he <br>  <br> provided me has had certain sections of the conversation removed for the <br>  <br> same reason. [Beginning in August 2001 I will place selected excerpts of <br>  <br> this tape, converted to MP3 format, on the From The Wilderness web site at <br>  <br> www.copvcia.com. -- See Investigation Notes at the end of this story.] <br>  <br> Having spoken to her on the phone several times since January 2001 I <br>  <br> instantly recognized the voice on the tape. It was definitely the Coral that <br>  <br> I had met. <br><br> Following are excerpts from the forty-plus minute conversation: (CC <br>  <br> designates Celerino Castillo. CB designates Coral Baca. Certain segments of <br>  <br> the tape have been edited to protect innocent third parties and to save <br>  <br> space.) <br><br> CB: We're living in both places now. We're in Florida now. We did have, we <br>  <br> still have the house in Boca Chica. But we've also got one in Coconut Grove. <br><br> CC: Oh. Good. <br><br> CB: So it works out really, really nicely. I'm here three days a week. <br><br> CC: Then you're flying back. <br><br> CB: ...So it works out really, really nicely actually. I thought it was <br>  <br> going to be exhausting but it's not. It's really kind of nice because when <br>  <br> I'm here I really have some time to myself, you know, running the business <br>  <br> [AIG]. I shouldn't say that, running the office. <br><br> CC: Oops. <br><br> CB: They'll turn that [laughs]. That is a great one. <br><br> CC: [Laughs] Ooh - running the business. <br><br> CB: I've got to be very careful what I say, you know. Yeah, but um, it's <br>  <br> really nice. If you ever get down there you're more than welcome to come and <br>  <br> visit and stay. I love Florida. It's really beautiful. <br><br>  <br><br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br> CB: You know because I hear things, like there are going to be hearings on <br>  <br> this mess [The Gary Webb Dark Alliance series]. Let me tell you something. <br>  <br> I'll tell you something and I've heard it from people who have been informed <br>  <br> by very reliable people in the government. No there won't. No there won't be <br>  <br> any more hearings. <br><br> CC: But even if there were any hearings... <br><br> CB: It's just going to be a joke. <br><br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br> CB: I've read such ugly articles lately. We attended some benefit. And <br>  <br> somebody wrote an article and they titled it Beauty and the Beast. Is <br>  <br> that... <br><br> CC: God Damn... <br><br> CB: Is that fucking cruel? I mean like he is like the nicest man, the most <br>  <br> generous man I have ever met. And to call him a beast? <br><br> CC: What newspaper was that? <br><br> CB: Oh, who the hell knows. I don't even know. I get so upset that people <br>  <br> keep these things from me.... How about all the money he gave me to start an <br>  <br> orphanage in Mexico. <br><br> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br> CB: He was out of jail before I went to Gary. <br><br> CC: Oh yeah, well I know that was in, we know, during the Panama thing. <br><br> CB: Well no. He was released in 95. In March of 95. I didn't go to Gary <br>  <br> until June - or July - of 1996. [NOTE: This date is disputed by both Webb <br>  <br> and me. It would have given him roughly six weeks to write the entire Dark <br>  <br> Alliance series.] <br><br>  <br><br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br>  <br>  <br> CB: Do you know a DEA Agent named Rafael Salcedo or Armando Medina. <br><br> CC: Yeah, those names sound very familiar. <br><br> CB: Those guys used to moonlight for the CIA all the time. <br><br> CC: Yeah, there's a lot of them. The last one I heard was Juan Perez who was <br>  <br> a Cuban... <br><br> CB: I know who he is, of course... <br><br> CB: We just saw Robert Vesco. <br><br> CC: Who? <br><br> CB: Vesco, Robert. <br><br> CC: What about him? <br><br> CB: We just went and saw him when we were in Cuba. <br><br> CC: Is he under house arrest? Cause that's what I heard. <br><br> CB: What a great man. A Sweetheart. <br><br> CC: [Laughing] How's Fidel doing?... <br><br> [CB: We had gone down once maybe a year or so ago and I met him [Vesco] for <br>  <br> the first time then. And then when we <br><br> went back this time I met him again...I mean he's old and he walks with a <br>  <br> cane. He's just a sweetheart though. <br><br> That's what Fidel did for him. He took him in because the United States was <br>  <br> ready to just nab him. I mean you know how the United States is. They kidnap <br>  <br> people and they call it extradition. <br><br> CC: So, is Carlos still playing ball with...? <br><br> CB: He has nothing to do with the business. <br><br>  <br><br> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br>  <br>  <br> CB: In fact we're having a birthday party this weekend. What are you doing <br>  <br> this weekend? I'm 29 - again. [Laughs] A little party. Just a hundred of our <br>  <br> closest friends. It's going <br><br> to be really, really fun. I think Julio Iglesias. He's going to sing. He's <br>  <br> like my all time favorite. He's in Florida anyway. <br><br>  <br><br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- <br><br>  <br>  <br> [Baca enters into a lengthy discussion regarding a suspect who had allegedly <br>  <br> burglarized her e-mail accounts. Because these are criminal allegations and <br>  <br> I have been unable to ascertain the validity of the charges I have omitted <br>  <br> references to the named suspect.] <br><br> CB: Because of Carlos' situation the State Department called in the FBI to <br>  <br> find out who was doing this... And then he got into my e-mail account, my <br>  <br> Coral Lehder e-mail account, and they were e-mailing Carlos from my e-mail <br>  <br> account... <br><br> CB: He got into our e-mail account and was reading all of my correspondence <br>  <br> with, back and forth between Carlos and me. <br><br> CC: How did he do that? <br><br> CB: Well it's not too hard if you're close to somebody. It's not too hard if <br>  <br> you know what words are important ... <br><br> CC: Oh my God. So, what did the FBI... Are they going to bring any charges? <br><br> CB: See, there's another point of contention. My other half is very pissed <br>  <br> off and me, no, I'm not going to do that. He has to live with the fact that <br>  <br> what he did [was] wrong... <br><br> CC: So the FBI came and they... <br><br> CB: The State Department, once I found out that my e-mail was being broken <br>  <br> into, I told Carlos. And Carlos said, <br><br> \"You know what, it makes sense \"Because I knew that some of my e-mails just <br>  <br> weren't right.\" He's like, \"I knew somebody had looked at them.\" So he <br>  <br> called in I guess, whoever he has to report to, it's a matter of his <br>  <br> national security status, that his security might have been jeopardized. And <br>  <br> the Feds got involved, you know, because they called in the Feds. - It was <br>  <br> an ugly ordeal. Do you know that we had to go to a safe house, because they <br>  <br> didn't know who it was? ... <br><br>  CB: There were never wedding invitations... I never sent out wedding <br>  <br> invitations. What was sent out after was like notifications... You got the <br>  <br> one that said, \"Please extend her every courtesy as my wife...\" <br><br> --------------------------- <br><br> .\"I had several conversation with Coral,\" says Castillo. \"There is no doubt <br>  <br> in my mind that Lehder is out of prison. None whatsoever. I received an <br>  <br> e-mail from Carlos personally, in the summer of 1998, that invited me to <br>  <br> come to the wedding that fall. Carlos had taken her out of the country for <br>  <br> personal reasons. I also received an e-mail from Coral under a separate <br>  <br> account. The address was snowqueen@h... I can't get to those e-mails <br>  <br> now because my old computer is broken and I don't have the money to fix it. <br>  <br> But she was clear on many occasions that Carlos was out. She talked about <br>  <br> travelling all over with him. Why would they have invited me to the house, <br>  <br> or to visit them in the Bahamas if it weren't true? What if I had said yes? <br>  <br> They were going to pay for it but I didn't go. I didn't want to compromise <br>  <br> myself. <br><br> \"I think Coral is really against the government and the war on drugs. She <br>  <br> has family in jail and she spoke to me I think because of the price I paid <br>  <br> for what I did. I believe that she hates the CIA.\" <br><br> Asked about the possibility of an elaborate ruse by Baca, Castillo replied, <br>  <br> \"Look. You almost have to go to more trouble to justify the notion that he's <br>  <br> in prison than you do to justify the position that he's out. What could <br>  <br> Coral possibly have gained from all this effort to make certain people think <br>  <br> so? They both hate the government and would love to make it look bad. She <br>  <br> had a powerful position at AIG that would be jeopardized if she were exposed <br>  <br> as making this up. Why would someone go to all this trouble to make people <br>  <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/www.copvcia.com","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"An investigation into the trial, and \"sentence\" served by one of the world's largest drug traders.  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