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by Sean Sweeney
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 10:34 AM
marc1seed@yahoo.com
More information at www.climateandcapitalism.com, www.commondreams.org, www.onthecommons.org, www.therealnews.com, www.truth-out.org, www.submedia.tv, www.citizen.org and www.worklessparty.org
to download the 20-page study "Climate Change and the Great Inaction," September 2014, click on http://www.rosalux.de/fileadmin/rls_uploads/pdfs/sonst_publikationen/tue... New Trade Union Perspectives This paper has been written for unions and unionists who are perhaps in the early stages of their engagement with climate change and who feel they might benefit from knowing “the story so far” in terms of trade union involvement. But it is also being written with an eye to the future, to generate discussion that may help unions develop the kind of compelling ideas and proposals that can lead to an increase in membership engagement and climate activism. A global movement demanding immediate and effective action on climate change is urgently needed, and unions can play an important and potentially decisive role. However, part of the process of building such a movement will require taking stock, in broad terms, of what has been learned with regard to past efforts both practically and at the level of ideas and core theoretical assumptions. This paper focuses mainly on the UN level, where the level of union activity has been very significant and worthy of examination. It will be clear from what follows that the climate politics of the international trade union movement has reached an impasse–the same is also true of other movements who have fought for a global climate agreement and have seen their hopes shattered. But this is more than a problem of barking up the wrong tree, or of the wrong set of persons sitting in the seats of power at the wrong time.
www.freembtranslations.net
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by Sean Sweeney
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 10:39 AM
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by yet anotther climate dance!
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Gotta have those carbon taxes to curtail 'greenhouse gasses' and other buzz words. Gonna be a nasty winter. Hope the 'global bull shit' is there to lower your fuel bills, heat your house and pay for the rise in food prices.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 11:18 AM
gee where did I see that before
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oh I remember now ^
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by Wanking for Climate whatever...
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 11:38 AM
these parrots of the IMF always use the same track. Headlong into assholism and pretentious 'superiority' from the looney bin. again, thank you hex, for still being a great asshole. And johnk too. We can't forget johnk.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 11:47 AM
meat puppet THIS
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carbon tax, mere CO2, global 'cooling' and all the other fossil fool stink tank taking points are obsolete
we're in the age of methane bomb, climate chaos, with exponentially rising oceans now
..and don't forget permanent drought
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by Kool
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 11:51 AM
And your raw data is from which verified source? I mean other than out from your overlarge asshole?
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:02 PM
it links to an AP video
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AP story showing the effects of 9 inches of sea level rise over the last 100 years. What the story doesn’t mention is that half of this sea level rise has occurred within the past 16 years and fully a third of it has occurred within the past 5 years. Video source: Associated Press.) This week, Miami is scrambling to deal with a flooding emergency. But the cause is not the looming approach of a major hurricane or even a powerful tropical storm. The flood emergency for the coming three days is simply a seasonal astronomical high tide. Something they are now calling a King Tide. A condition that arises due to solar and lunar alignment a few times every year. A gravitational flux that pushes high tides another foot or so above the normal range. Decades or even years ago, astronomical high tide wasn’t so much of a problem for Miami. Now, it means flooded roads and runways. It means salt water backing up through city drainage and municipal water systems. It means sea walls over-topped. It means lawns, properties and businesses covered in water. The crisis is so serious that the city has already allocated more than 400 million dollars to deal with the problem. And this week, crews and flood prevention planners are scrambling to face the rising seas. Rapidly Rising Waters [ above measurement chart ] (Peak high tide trend from 1998 through 2014 shows sea levels rose by 4.3 inches over the past 16 years with most of the rise occurring since 2008. Image source: Dr. Zhaohua Wu, FSU) http://eoas.fsu.edu/people/faculty/dr-zhaohua-wu At issue is the fact that Miami is facing a climate change driven sea level rise that is in the process of going exponential. A ramping rate of water rise that is being driven by a combination of glacial melt, ocean expansion due to warming, a backing up of the Gulf Stream which is raising waters all along the Eastern Seaboard, and a continuation of land subsistence in South Florida due to a variety of factors. From 1914 through 1998, sea levels rose by an average of 0.06 inches per year — a rate that was barely noticeable to residents and city planners alike. But from 1998 to 2009 the pace increased to a more troubling 0.14 inches per year. And from 2009 to the present year the pace again jumped to a terrifying 0.67 inches per year. An exponential rate of sea level rise that, in the past year alone, raised Miami’s surrounding ocean waters by 0.86 inches. Should the observed sea level rise over recent years continue, Miami will be facing 6-9 feet of additional water by the end of this century and not the 3-4 feet currently predicted. Vulnerable Miami, South Florida Miami is particularly vulnerable to such rapid rates of sea level rise for a couple of reasons. First, most of Miami is less than four feet above 20th Century sea levels. So even moderate rates of sea level rise put major portions of the city under water. Second, the city sits on porous limestone. The rock, riddled with holes, leaks like a sieve. So building sea walls won’t help Miami much as water will simply rise up through the rocks themselves. Because Miami is so low-lying and surrounded on almost all sides by water, it is often seen as one of the most vulnerable cities to human-driven climate change. However, the geological conditions are not unique to Miami and remain a problem for almost all Florida cities. The porous limestone is a feature of the entire Florida Peninsula. So the problems Miami is facing now will become problems for hundreds of cities and communities up the coast and in more central regions of the state as well. At most immediate risk is all of South Flordia. Miami-Dade and Broward Counties have about half of their residents living below the 4 foot above sea level line. Collier and Monroe counties also boast very large populations within just 4 feet of already rapidly rising seas. Such a rise would generate inland water upwelling throughout much of south Florida and the Everglades even as many coastal regions faced inundation. Small, low-lying islands and barrier zones would be swallowed by the sea or broken by incursions through weak points. The mangroves, already in retreat, would be swiftly beaten back. Inland lakes, invaded by higher pressure salt water from below, would also rise. [ this image ] (Sea level rise observations and projections through 2060 for Key West. Note that observations end at 2009 and that the tidal gauges have recorded a 3 inch sea level rise from 2009 through 2014 for Miami — already hitting the bottom range of expected sea level rise by 2030. Image source: Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact Page.) http://www.broward.org/NATURALRESOURCES/CLIMATECHANGE/Pages/SoutheastFloridaRegionalClimateCompact.aspx As an example, seasonal high tides are already having an effect on the Delray Beach region that is starkly similar to problems now plainly visible in Miami. In the historic Marina neighborhood, water bubbles up from storm drains and spills over the banks of the Intracoastal Waterway into streets. Charle Dortch, a resident for 17 years said in a recent interview with the Sun Sentinel: “It’s progressively getting worse. The water is coming up the roadway right into people’s front yards. It’s flooding the parking area. It’s coming up higher and higher every year.”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQmkDE-n9pg
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by notice this
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:10 PM
I sure like your data point 'spread'. Your graph and your data base assistants, you know, your crew of 'elves', suck. Do you even proof read the shit they give you to post? And, where is that awful methane extinction event? Are you going to try to pull the Permian period again and be humiliated? Again?
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:18 PM
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1.) it's not happening
2.) the data (all data from every climate scientist in the world that doesn't agree with fossil fool stink tanks and me) is false
3.) change the subject (where's that methane event that's only just beginning, finished yet, with the debunking data I NEVER POSTED - just talk about)
so predictable
you asked for citations - I provided them
where's yours?
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by "I provided them"
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:35 PM
"Gone Exponential" what? Sea level rise? You're plain insane. With idiotic graphs and stupid cartoons. Sea level rise'
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told' - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk/ comment/ columnists/ christopherbooker/ 5067351/ Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html -
Mar 28, 2009 ... The uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story
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by Kool
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Leo vs. science: vanishing evidence for climate change | New York ...
www.nypost.com/ 2014/ 09/ 14/ leo-v-science-vanishing-evidence-for-climate-change/ - Sep 14, 2014 ... Other climate-change fantasists, who do have a scientific background, ... Rates of sea-level rise remain small and are even slowing
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 12:59 PM
your link is broken but I found it anyway
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ah - a hit piece against Leo, and the author is By Tom Harris and Bob Carter http://www.desmogblog.com/bob-carter Robert (Bob) Carter is a former research professor at James Cook University, Queensland, Australia, and advisor to multiple climate science denial organisations around the world. He was head of the university's School of Earth Sciences between 1981 and 1999 and then held unpaid adjunct professorial positions. In January 2013 the university allowed his adjunct status to lapse, citing lack of input into the university. He is a marine geologist and environmental scientist. [2] In response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had not uncovered evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that “if he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.” Carter has written numerous newspaper articles primarily for UK and Australian newspapers that attempt to disprove global warming. He has also written two books. In reference to his involvement with the Institute for Public Affairs (IPA), Carter stated in a March 15, 2007 Sydney Morning Herald article: “I don't think it is the point whether you are paid by the coal or petroleum industry.” [3] According to leaked documents Carter receives $1,667 a month from the Heartland Institute http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute # 1 Ties to the Koch Brothers # 2 Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council * 2.1 Heartland Partners With ALEC to Roll Back Renewable Energy Sources Leaked documents An anonymous donor called "Heartland Insider" released documents in February 2012 of the Heartland Institute's budget, fundraising plan, and Climate Strategy for 2012. The 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy states that the Institute got $200,000 in 2011 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation, and nearly a million from an anonymous donor. Goals of the organization included: * working with David E. Wojick on "providing [K-12 school] curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science"; * "sponsor[ing] the NIPCC [Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change] to undermine the official United Nation's IPCC [International Panel on Climate Change] reports" including paying "a team of writers $388,000 in 2011 to work on a series of editions of Climate Change Reconsidered"; and * funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[24] The Institute later confirmed the authenticity of some of the released documents Funding Media Transparency lists Heartland as having received grants from a range of foundations between 1986 and 2009. Of these foundations, by far the largest donor has been the foundation of Chicago industrialist Barre Seid[50], maker of Tripp Lite surge protectors. * Barbara and Barre Seid Foundation $1,037,977 * Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation $648,000 * Exxon Mobil $531,500 * Walton Family Foundation $400,000 * Sarah Scaife Foundation $325,000 * Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust $190,500 * Jaquelin Hume Foundation $166,000 * Rodney Fund $135,000 * JM Foundation $82,000 * Castle Rock Foundation $70,000 * Roe Foundation $41,500 * John M. Olin Foundation $40,000 * Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation $40,000 * Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation $37,578 * Armstrong Foundation $30,000 * Hickory Foundation $13,000 * Carthage Foundation $10,000 Exxon funding According to spokesman Jim Lakely, Heartland received $736,500 from Exxon Mobil between 1998 and 2006.[51] Greenpeace's ExxonSecrets website lists some of these transactions.[52] (As mentioned above, Heartland insists that Exxon has not contributed to the group since 2006.)[53] Exxon contributions include: * $30,000 in 1998; * $115,000 in 2000; * $90,000 in 2001; * $15,000 in 2002; * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $7,500 for their 19th Anniversary Benefit Dinner in 2003; * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $15,000 for Climate Change Efforts in 2004; and * $119,000 in 2005; and * $115,000 in 2006.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 1:46 PM
..compared to your exxon drivel
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I spent the best years of my life there - from Ft. Myers and Ft. Myers beach (I used to live on Mango st.) Sanibel island and Cape Coral (made blue boxes and cable boxes, did construction, landscaping, TV then car stereo repair), southward to Naples (Vanderbilt Beach) and into the Everglades. (knew a tour guide there)
Now, in only a matter of years, according to the DATA and MEASUREMENTS above, it will be swallowed by the ocean, along with Miami..
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will this thread go to 100 posts too, with you getting the last word by posting personal insults and repeated exxon funded drivel?
- because getting the last word is all that matters to you now that I've mentioned your real name again
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 3:54 PM
3'rd time for carter
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http://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-booker Christopher Booker is an English journalist, author, and has been a columnist for The Sunday Telegraph since 1990. [2] Booker has opposed the scientific consensus on numerous issues including global warming, the link between second-hand smoke and cancer, and the negative health effects of asbestos. [3], [4] According to The Carbon Brief, despite the agreement of major agencies including the World Heath Organisation and the US Department for Health and Human Services that all forms of asbestos are carcinogenic to humans, Booker has also repeatedly claimed white asbestos “poses no measurable risk to health”. [5] “The scientific evidence to support their belief that inhaling other people's smoke causes cancer simply does not exist.” [3] Key Deeds December, 2009 Christopher Booker and Richard North wrote a prominent feature article in The Sunday Telegraph titled “Questions over business deals of UN climate change guru Dr Rajendra Pachauri” which made allegations of financial impropriety against the IPCC Chairman. [9] The article alleged that Pachauri had been “making a fortune from his links with 'carbon trading' companies,” and that he had outside interests which would cause a “conflict of interest” with his position at the IPCC. Although the story was untrue, it circulated over hundreds of blogs and its allegations were widely spread before The Telegraph retracted it. Shortly after the article was published, The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI), the organization that Pachauri works for, asked auditors to review his financial relationships. Auditors concluded: “No evidence was found that indicated personal fiduciary benefits accruing to Pachauri from his various advisory roles that would have led to a conflict of interest.” [10] When Pachauri first approached the Telegraph he was rebuffed while their journalists continued to produce damaging articles and blog posts. He was forced to start a libel suit, and months later the Telegraph issued an apology and retraction. [11] March, 2009 Christopher Booker was a speaker at the Heartland Institute. February 4, 2009 George Monbiot of The Guardian launched a prize to be “presented to whoever crams as many misrepresentations, distortions and falsehoods into a single article, statement, lecture, film or interview about climate change.” The prize, named the “Christopher Booker Prize” was first awarded to Christopher Booker himself for an article he wrote on Arctic sea ice published in The Sunday Telegraph. Affiliations * The Sunday Telegraph — Columnist.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 4:14 PM
this is CURRENT MEASUREMENTS
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from a fossil fool stink tank propaganda rag, that was forced to retract those lies, due to being sued for lying
from a shill who's such an extreme liar, he even won a prize for the most lies told, including lies about asbestos and cigarette smoke.
for the 4'th fucking time, AFTER I've already exposed him 3 times already
5 year old lies, about CURRENT DATA and actual measurements from a university and the city of Miami it'self..
So we're to believe Miami's spending $ 400 million on 5 year old proven lies from proven liars, who were sued for lying and had to retract those lies.. ..but you're still here spewing these (now) 5 year old lies debunked right here, 3 times already
- you should get the worst liar prize
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by Farts Mc Fadden
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 5:56 PM
USA
"your real name again " like you know anything about me. Go again for your 'bill' strawman... and graphs for morons'. Something you desperately need to carry your argument.
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by crazy_inventor
Wednesday, Oct. 08, 2014 at 6:09 PM
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4'th time debunked, 5 year old lies from the winner of the liar prize
.. and that's all you have to say yourself
pathetic
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by Kool
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2014 at 12:47 PM
let's all do the 'climate change' dance. Yes, winter is coming. I hope this "global warming" keeps my water pipes from freezing.
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by crazy_inventor
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2014 at 5:44 PM
- you're confusing climate with weather again
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by Kool
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2014 at 5:58 PM
And you're confusing global warming with climate change. What an idiot.
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by crazy_inventor
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2014 at 6:28 PM
kool
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- that's climate CHAOS actually
for example what you try to describe as 'cold winter' or 'pipes freezing' is called polar vortex, which is due to the jetsreams weakening, so while your 'pipes are freezing' the Arctic is melting. The polar air mass becomes misplaced by warmer air that drives it southward over north america..
years before this new term polar vortex, when people would ask me about it I always said it was because the ice is melting
these polar vortex blasts represent the 'last gasps' of the Arctic ice before it melts completely.
Once the last of the ice does melt, the REAL climate chaos sets in. The Arctic ice is the northern hemisphere's air conditioner.
So as the charts I've been posting show, in the next few years, when the last of the Arctic ice melts, the pace of global warming will dramaticly pick up.
After that, there will be no real winter AT ALL.
- which might seem okay if your only concern is 'freezing pipes' but it's the SUMMER you've got to worry about then.
- look at the state of California and the south-west - 500 year drought event and still worsening..
When the last of the Arctic ice is gone these last few years will seem like a sunday picnic
but don't worry your fossil fool head over it, I'm sure big oil will save the day
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by dead_nessie
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 3:38 AM
nessie@ForestLawn.org
My microwave froze up this morning.
I went to the grocery store, bought a few items of frozen food, loaded it in the trunk, and when I got home all of the plastic bags had turned into a charred goo.
Something must be wrong with my freezer. It takes more than three minutes to boil and egg.
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Only a mental patient believes in the scam of global warming.
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by dead_nessie
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 3:57 AM
nessie@ForestLawn.org
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Only a mental cripple believes in global warming.
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by crazy_inventor
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 5:50 AM
only a mental cripple 'believes' in actual mesurements
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June–August 2014 was the warmest such period across global land and ocean surfaces since record keeping began in 1880.
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by laughing man
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 6:12 AM
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I thought you mental defectives didn't like Big Government, but you're using their bullshit "statistics"? They fan the flames of abject stupidity, and you're their retarded cheerleader.
You truly are a mental defective, and wasting carbon credits to boot on this oil powered soapbox.
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by crazy_inventor
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 7:13 AM
ah look - there's that 'global cooling'
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“It’s Worse Than We Thought” — New Study Finds That Earth is Warming Far Faster Than Expected.
Upper ocean heat anomaly map for 2002 through 2011 shows extreme global heating of the upper ocean during the past decade.
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by crazy_inventor
Friday, Oct. 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM
said NASA astronaut Reid Wiseman I've seen many from here, but none like this.
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Super Typhoon Vongfong has rapidly intensified over the past 24 hours, from wind speeds of 89 mph to 168 mph.
Vongfong, the sixth super typhoon of 2014, with winds speeds over 150 mph, is now the most intense storm on Earth so far in 2014.
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by owww
Saturday, Oct. 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM
never in my life have I ever seen such a colorful weather display. Now that's 'climate change'. Why go to a show? Just sit back and see the colors...LSD sure helps, right, hex?
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by crazy_inventor
Saturday, Oct. 11, 2014 at 12:58 PM
..and neither is this one
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they made that up - that's not a real image
- your buddies at exxon said so
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by Old English
Sunday, Oct. 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM
“your buddies at exxon “ This is just one of the things that make this spook, in its limited hangout, gate keeping role, such an idiot asshole. It wants the reader to believe that *unlike itself*, I have any sponsorship whatsoever from any source, (something hex, in its current metamorphosis is unable to honestly do ) which is merely an accusation which hex pulls out of its overlarge asshole to accuse me of. Then it goes down the habitual menu to accuse me of being some smuck named “bill”, running some trinkets shop, posting any article on this hostile, compromised IMC or having any thing to do with any criminal petroleum interests or parties. . Every time it encounters any fucking thing it can bend or wedge into a 'climate change' or 'global warming' it goes for it like a pig in heat. Of course that coincides with its anti Geo-engineering ( chemtrails ) awareness crusade, its fear promotions ( ad campaign ) to promote the idea of, a carbon tax (which this pussy is even too buggered to directly advocate so it promotes authors who do ). while It goes in a head dive ( as it must monitor this wire for such heresy ) to attack or highjack any thread questioning its sphere of propaganda or a thread it can exploit to further its agenda. That's the same asshole who told us in a VERY scientific way that depleted uranium was no problem because it was “like lead in a battery”.
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by crazy_inventor
Sunday, Oct. 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM
try less table pounding and some FACT pounding instead
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the nuclear official shills are still claiming that to this day, but I found out better and have corrected it a half dozen times here since then (Uranium is 1000 X's more toxic than lead, like mercury)
.. funny you saw fit to leave that out
please be so kind as to link to any time or any instance at all where you criticized exxon or any other big oil or big nuke corporation.
I have plenty of examples where you _parroted their stink tank propaganda_ even just above, in this very thread..
if you're not working for exxon, you should be, since otherwise it's merely unpaid work
now about WIPP
you're surely aware by now of the continuing saga of the PLUTONIUM AND AMERICIUM releases from that beloved repository right in your own backyard.
- when the wind blows right you're whiffing WIPP
please say you're not employed by Alamos
and finally billy boy it seems your good friend John has verified your identity and since he views the server IP access logs I'm inclined to believe him - beyond what my own dox'ing shows _everytime_ I look up your chemtrail bullshit (3 times now)
perhaps this is why you've gone on a rampage against him too since then
Up until this point he was your BFF along with nessie. I was labelled a spook for years, even though by random chance (and a change of broadcast frequency and some harassment at the transmitter site by the chief engineer of a local radio cluster) I was provided a way to PROVE one of my signals on-air, via youtube videos (there are 3, I only posted 1) along with me saying the entire speech pre-air, clear as a bell.
- becoming the world's first PROVEN 'spook' pirate radio station :)
so, drop links of you reaming exxon a new overlarge asshole, or citing coal power plants for emitting URANIUM, THORIUM, RADON and daughter products, right in the very air you breathe, as measured by my own radiation detectors, that I've even posted my own graphs of, right here showing this..
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by already?
Sunday, Oct. 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM
And still hex has never produced any creditable evidence to support the "methane time bomb" with any geological event ( even though it tried to associate the great Permian event not mentioning the massive vulcanism ) to support its crap scarioke song and dance.
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by a link
Sunday, Oct. 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM
you don't know where I live, asshole, only where johnk told you this source I.P. was located. Funny 'boy'. You love goat trails, huh?
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by crazy_inventor
Monday, Oct. 13, 2014 at 12:49 AM
"Earth is experiencing a sixth mass extinction"
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" Triassic-Jurassic mass extinction caused by >16,000 Gt methane – from clathrates
Methane clathrates caused Triassic mass extinction
Scientists of Utrecht University have investigated fossil leaves found in terrestrial late Triassic sediments and discovered a large carbon-13 depletion.
That means 200,000,000 years ago The Methane Bomb went off.
Crystal-caught methane
Methane clathrates, or methane hydrates, are bubbles of methane caught within structures of crystallised water. These are formed over millions of years and are abundant at parts of the ocean floors. The crystallised water – much like ice – depends on constant (high) pressure and (low) temperature to keep intact.
We however no longer live on a constant planet – we see it sliding into a transitional phase. And based on findings in the Earth’s fossil record, witnesses of such –really rather rare– phases usually don’t live to tell.
Indeed, climate change, feedback
Atmospheric warming leads to ocean warming, and that can in turn lead to ‘melting’ of the methane clathrates whereby the greenhouse gas is released to the atmosphere, acting as a positive climate feedback on the initial warming.
Triassic-Jurassic paleoclimate
Life on Earth must have grown used to the peace and quite of the Triassic period, 205 millions ago. Things had been green, lush, undisturbed and simple for tens of millions of years, with the ocean and –‘right in the middle’– the continent, the one supercontinent, Pangaea.
Then the rift valleys came and geological forces tore Pangaea apart, leading to massive volcanism over extended periods of time – and the release of large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. So far this release has been directly linked to the T-J mass extinction.
‘It was the methane feedback’
But the volcanic CO2, the Utrecht scientists say, must have led to no more than an initial warming. Once the warming penetrated to the ocean floors it disturbed the clathrates.
Their measurements, published in Friday’s edition of Science, indicate at least 12,000 gigatonnes of C13-depleted carbon entered terrestrial biology, indicating the release of a minimum of around 16,000 gigatonnes methane “within only 10,000-20,000 years.”
That they think is what created dramatic climate change – and what led to the massive biodiversity decline.
In the same sediments the scientists have also researched fossil spores and pollen, which showed vegetation changes reflecting “strong warming and an enhanced hydrological cycle.”
Modern climate-methane feedback?
The question resounds: could this happen again? Since the PETM the Earth’s oceans have once again had plenty of time to stockpile methane – and the physical mechanisms of warming and melting will not have changed since the Triassic.
So the answer should be yes.
Faster CO2 rise, quicker methane release?
Then again the speed with which the ‘temperature shock wave’ travels down through the water depends on the speed of the atmospheric CO2 concentrations increase.
According to lead author Micha Ruhl this speed is now ‘several times faster’ than in the period he researched. So perhaps not count on any delay like the 10,000-20,000 year methane release period at the end of the Triassic.
Sometimes the biggest limitation of paleoscience does not seem to be the fact that we have to look back over all these millions of years, but that even then full analogies to our own little experiment with planet Earth simply do not seem to exist." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PS. nice citation
and nice links showing you EVER criticising big oil or big nuke, even once, in all these years - I knew you wouldn't disappoint ;)
say hi to exxon for me
www.bitsofscience.org/mass-extinction-methane-clathrates-...
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by Kool
Monday, Oct. 13, 2014 at 3:57 AM
What an asshole*** Causes This extinction is probably the least understood of the big five, because of the lack of accessible sediments for scientists to study. Most of the evidence suggests falling sea levels were probably responsible for the longer-term extinction patterns. As the warm shallow seas decreased, reefs died and other marine organisms faced increased competition in less space. On land the lack of water would have led to more extreme temperatures and seasons. When deep water spread back over the continents it was low in oxygen, resulting in further marine extinctions. While the ultimate cause of this sea fall and rise isn’t certain, it appears to be associated with the start of a volcanic rift forming between the Americas and Africa and Europe. This would eventually produce the Atlantic Ocean. At the end of the Triassic, very large eruptions occurred along the rift zone (known as the Central Atlantic Magmatic Province) for about 500,000 years. The environmental changes these caused put further stress on life on Earth. http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/life/dinosaurs-other-extinct-creatures/mass-extinctions/end-triassic-mass-extinction/ and to the reader to whom you wanted to sandbag with your Bull Shit Science degree... http://la.indymedia.org/news/2014/10/266100_comment.php#266188 Yup, the LA IMC sppok / gatekeeper, hex.
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by crazy_inventor
Monday, Oct. 13, 2014 at 5:41 AM
billy__boy_-_apologist_for_exxon.jpg, image/jpeg, 600x470
and not even dated
as you can see from my RECENT PEER REVIEWED CITATION above :
"Scientists of Utrecht University.. ..MEASURED 12,000 gigatonnes of C13-depleted carbon" (via isotropic spectrometry) ..and this NEW RESEARCH was just published in PEER REVIEWED science try again billy boy
PS. linking back to this very thread means nothing, I want to see a single example where you even just criticised any big oil or nuke corporation.
just one, in all these years
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by hex fucks sheep & johnk too
Monday, Oct. 13, 2014 at 7:50 AM
what a pompous asshole you are, hex. You offer proof to support *your* claim, pinhead. something you can't do without cartoons at your mental level. CO2 has never caused any problem and neither has methane except the gas from your overlarge asshole. http://la.indymedia.org/news/2014/10/266100_comment.php#266188 just to refresh the reader's perspective about your role here.
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