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Taking over public areas by homeless means overuse not moderate fair-share-use

by living insider Wednesday, Jan. 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Homeless folk are wanting their own bill of rights, it is noted. And yet the actual difference between those without inside living spaces to reside within and the others who find some way to share space, rent space, trade for space, and thus live indoors may be one of more than money they have available for rent. The sharing of public park spaces, or sand, sidewalk spaces with those who Reside there [live in the public spaces and thus do not share those spaces] and those who want to just temporarily sit or enjoy that space for a short time seems to be in conflict.

The venice homeless folk do not look or usually act like the Skid Row hard core or maybe other LA ghetto areas where less lavish vistas and open spaces -- with this sun, sky, sea being there to heal and also feed the souls of those without cash or jobs.

The problem that is never openly addressed is not that the 'homeless' who do not have inside living quarters should not or cannot fairly share the use of public lands - the parks, sands, streets, and even dark corners of businesses at nite-time - but that when they do take over and use that space, they either do not have the means or courtesies or sanity to leave it as they found it.

And the ones w/o home to return to sleep then just park and stay anywhere they chose or find…. for extended times - stretching out their belongings beyond the usual personal-space-of-ordinary-folk.

The ones without personal living spaces indoors take over the public outdoor spaces for long periods of times or days or weeks or longer and others cannot share or use that space at all. It is a ‘take-over’ and a demand to be allowed to use that ‘space’ for longer than most people would temporarily stay.

The lack of hygiene and smell or uncleanliness when staying in these public spaces and often also left behind when homeless do leave a space, leaves other people unwilling to clean up after them or leave fear of contagions or unsanitary conditions left behind…if and when the un-home-d person does move from that spot.

Who has not seen a bus bench stop that is inaccessible to anyone but the 1 homeless person - that has strewn and spread out their belongings to insure that ONLY THEY have that space, and no one else would dare question that usurping or even ask to share the space ? Some of us have tried and been rudely and loudly beaten back.

Who has not called their city council to repeatedly plead for help for those homeless – those who take over a whole areas of sidewalk - with their waste, their stuff, their carts, their beddings, their food/drinks = some of which smells putrid or is spilled liquids or body wastes...all that is otherwise not common nor tolerated by civilized common people...and nothing was then done to remove or restrict that homeless person's monopolizing that area?

a whole 10 ft of it. unusable by anyone else but that ‘homeless’ insisting it is now theirs !

And who has wanted to quietly sit at a park or bench or grass or beach and not be asked for money or pot or anything - but just be able to be solitary with nature, or a book, or a friend, or rest their feet - instead of being part of someone else's neediness demands ? Or who has not grimaced at the smells or dank that accompanies the person who lives in the streets ?

And why are there not enough living spaces for those who do not have any social security / SSI incomes or food stamps and who then wander the neighborhoods instead in search of a toilet , or a spot behind a bush that belongs to a home of someone else, or tinkles behind a car when no one else is looking to urinate or drop a plastic baggie of their “stuff”…b.m. or rotted food ?

And why are some of the mentally insane or challenged or deranged or unable to be emotionally competent enough to get the necessary social services that may be available – so that they re refusing to live where they ARE offered an apt, that maybe not in the beach neighborhood of their preference !

Why do many w/o living resources only want to live in Venice or Mar Vista and not in Baldwin Hills or Inglewood or downtown or elsewhere ?

Who is it that is demanding a separate individualized Bill of Homeless Rights that pertain to those who have less or different to that which is common to all USA legalized citizens ?

Why is poverty and thus homelessness described as a worse victimized condition than having a serious medical problem that cannot be paid for ? or living in an apt with drunks, druggies or mean people that are not homeless but as difficult or dangerous ?

The sanitation of the poor and homeless by themselves and their self-proclaimed rescuers - some of which run silent non-profits and are thus NOT as poor as they pretend either… but that saint-i-fication of not having a living inside space is not always such an actual real image - but a lure and demand to 'get more' and 'hate them who have' and 'spite those who wont give more’.

Those who can't dont/ wont or for whatever godly reason are stuck in misery and poverty here in LA, in CA, in USA ...what makes these sufferers more angelic or better than anyone else elsewhere ? .... or suffering more than anyone stuck in a nursing home, or laying in a hospital bed, or living scared in another warring country or surviving barely at a working level class in a poorer nation ?

That is why other nationals laugh at our stories of poverty because they know and live within worse conditions and do not always ‘suffer’ or cry as much as Americans tend to do.

why is it that there is plenty of food continually brought down to feed the homeless in Venice ? By all kinds of groups and individuals who want to "help" the poor. And yet, much food and even clothes are thrown away - and uneaten, fed to the birds, left out in the sun to be bird dropped on , discarded by these same poor people - who are picky and choosey when not served as if in a restaurant ?

Many do eat and thank and move on, go back to their favored spots - where they beg or hide – or sleep - or buy or use drugs - or lay down or do whatever else they do to pass time, unto nite, when they find their sleep spot on a cardboard in warm LA [ as compared to most of USA in Feb] and then lay down w/blanket or friend.

Many survive tho not as imagined in magazines/TV who either over-inflate the images of poverty and sadness or underestimate the amount of goodies passed out on Venice beach walk.

It is not a great place to be - without a home base, a bed, a bathroom to use with others down the hall, a kitchen, running water and some safety from the others who want to bully or steal or harass – others down and out - out of their own distresses and craziness perhaps.

Remember, it is still different than homelessness elsewhere, in 80% of the rest of the world -where what these homeless already have is envied and wondered about, because poverty elsewhere is a daily lifestyle, tolerated and adapted and used in forming communities of the poor, with less anger and less envy and less demanding – wanting to have the same as those who live otherwise.

Been elsewhere to see that too ?

Been where no food is left uneaten or thrown away for birds or left to rot in sun ?

Been where all is recycled not by big companies but by the poor groups that scour thru garbage to make use of every little item possible ?

No marching bands with shiny instruments fancy signs and smiles and phones in hands. No. Not the same as where the poor are actually caring and friendly with Each Other because they care, they survive, and see that they are a community. Not like this entitlement story here.
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ayn rand is that you? crazy_inventor Wednesday, Jan. 29, 2014 at 9:21 PM
Emotional Callousness crazy_inventor Thursday, Jan. 30, 2014 at 5:07 AM
great essay johnk Saturday, Feb. 01, 2014 at 10:45 PM
Homes are the solution to homelessness johnk Saturday, Feb. 01, 2014 at 10:55 PM
I can't take credit for it crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 02, 2014 at 6:43 AM
how corporate media framing infects our thinking crazy_inventor Sunday, Feb. 02, 2014 at 7:27 AM
re: empty houses johnk Sunday, Feb. 02, 2014 at 12:54 PM
regarding the poor elsewhere nobody Monday, Feb. 03, 2014 at 3:35 AM
my vote's for nobody crazy_inventor Monday, Feb. 03, 2014 at 6:37 AM
neoliberal nobody Monday, Feb. 03, 2014 at 10:09 AM
definitions vary crazy_inventor Monday, Feb. 03, 2014 at 12:16 PM
the "selfish arrogant genes" cop-out, explored crazy_inventor Monday, Feb. 03, 2014 at 10:01 PM
more musings on neoliberalism nobody Saturday, Feb. 08, 2014 at 11:32 AM
this week's community affairs crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 08, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Your Apocalypse nobody Saturday, Feb. 08, 2014 at 7:07 PM
focusing on the messenger's Apocalypse crazy_inventor Saturday, Feb. 08, 2014 at 10:35 PM
de-colonize your mind crazy_inventor Wednesday, Feb. 12, 2014 at 4:10 AM
those venting on here should be emailing each other instead dull living Wednesday, Feb. 12, 2014 at 4:26 PM
those venting on here should be emailing each other instead dull living Wednesday, Feb. 12, 2014 at 4:29 PM
are we attacking the messenger yet? crazy_inventor Wednesday, Feb. 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM
blogs have their troubles too crazy_inventor Thursday, Feb. 13, 2014 at 1:32 AM
Abuse commentary here by 1 person...why? to dominate over article writer? dull living Friday, Feb. 21, 2014 at 3:19 PM
facts and data are not 'views' crazy_inventor Friday, Feb. 21, 2014 at 10:16 PM
What's with the IMC hate? johnk Monday, Feb. 24, 2014 at 4:21 AM
a few points crazy_inventor Monday, Feb. 24, 2014 at 7:21 AM
look at that... PrionPartyy Wednesday, Mar. 12, 2014 at 10:29 PM
of bullies, the bullied and concern trolls crazy_inventor Thursday, Mar. 13, 2014 at 8:31 PM
IMC LA isn't a gate keeper??? PrionPartyy Thursday, Mar. 13, 2014 at 9:24 PM
again we see... PrionPartyy Friday, Mar. 14, 2014 at 10:48 PM
does the word hypocrisy mean anything ? crazy_inventor Saturday, Mar. 15, 2014 at 9:11 PM
usualy I wait until after I write my rant to title it PrionPartyy Saturday, Mar. 15, 2014 at 11:24 PM
the real problem is who's reponsible for CREATING poverty crazy_inventor Sunday, Mar. 16, 2014 at 1:06 AM
In "this modern world"... PrionPartyy Sunday, Mar. 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM
tea bagger heads explode - revealing a troll bot crazy_inventor Monday, Mar. 17, 2014 at 1:49 AM
winning what? PrionPartyy Monday, Mar. 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Citizens for a Sound Economy crazy_inventor Monday, Mar. 17, 2014 at 9:04 PM
too much too soon?? p Monday, Mar. 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM
what part of millions of dollars in funding crazy_inventor Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2014 at 2:58 AM
meaningless is meaningless no how much you pile it on PrionPartyy Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2014 at 9:31 PM
Gotta love them baggers nobody Friday, Mar. 21, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Industrial civilization is a malignant growth. crazy_inventor Friday, Mar. 21, 2014 at 2:24 PM
wtf c_i nobody Saturday, Mar. 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM
universal truth shakes em up all the time. PrionPartyy Saturday, Mar. 22, 2014 at 10:25 PM
dim bulbs? PrionPartyy Saturday, Mar. 22, 2014 at 11:03 PM
sipping tea on the titanic while burning borrowed time crazy_inventor Sunday, Mar. 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM
Far Away? nobody Sunday, Mar. 23, 2014 at 12:26 PM
I'd roll a troll to avoid talking about anything that matters crazy_inventor Sunday, Mar. 23, 2014 at 5:00 PM
You extrapolate too much to pick a fight nobody Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM
waffling and tap-dancing crazy_inventor Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 1:30 AM
I didn't say to contract it out to nonprofits nobody Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 1:55 AM
my mistake - it was John : crazy_inventor Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 8:18 AM
Some of this banter is interesting and some is diversionary. Home-less-free occupying is.. living insider Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 8:25 PM
callousness is a virtue - be proud crazy_inventor Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 9:27 PM
I don't see the contradiction nobody Monday, Mar. 24, 2014 at 11:47 PM
and now, back to our regularly scheduled neo-liberalism crazy_inventor Tuesday, Mar. 25, 2014 at 4:10 AM
general social Rants do not address the HOMELESS topic, once more stayOnTopicOrBeGone Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2014 at 12:05 PM
oh ayn what would the working poor do without people like you crazy_inventor Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2014 at 4:14 PM
what we have come to expect from you, thanks to you PrionPartyy Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM
'we' the attacking victims crazy_inventor Wednesday, Mar. 26, 2014 at 9:35 PM
Link to article nobody Thursday, Mar. 27, 2014 at 2:54 PM
A dime is all nobody Thursday, Mar. 27, 2014 at 3:04 PM
I didn't link to THAT website because : crazy_inventor Thursday, Mar. 27, 2014 at 3:07 PM
Billionaires are not the ones discussed here nonbillionNonHomeless Friday, Mar. 28, 2014 at 3:01 PM
just how many threads does the ayn rand troll need? crazy_inventor Friday, Mar. 28, 2014 at 3:21 PM
Crazy people love to hate and accuse no one is a victim Friday, Mar. 28, 2014 at 4:29 PM
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