So where's the "voter fraud"?

Fox "News", and it's Rupert Murdoch owned print brethren, the New York Post, continue to bang the GOP's phony ACORN "voter fraud" drum, but as far as I can tell, they've failed to come up with a single incident of any actual voter fraud committed by the dastardly "left-wing extremists".

Yes, Ann Coulter has committed felony voter fraud, but neither of the Murdoch outfits have yet to note that point, even while they go wall-to-wall with misleading reports claiming that ACORN is committing massive "voter fraud" on behalf of the Democrats.

So, as it's now been revealed that John McCain himself was a keynote speaker at a 2006 ACORN rally (on immigration reform) in Florida, where he declared to the ACORN volunteers in the room that they are "What makes America special", and as I've been going back and forth with commenters on my "Republican Voter Fraud Hoax" piece at the UK's Guardian (which today, has shot up to one of their most read items), still, nobody seems able to show me an instance of any actual voter fraud committed by ACORN, or even anybody who registered via ACORN for that matter.

Those who wish to believe in the hoax, however, attempt to link to article after article about allegations of voter fraud carried out by ACORN. And yet, the articles themselves --- if one bothers to actually read them --- reveal that either 1) They describe allegations and investigations brought by Republican agents, with little or no evidence of any wrong doing, and certainly no "voter fraud" 2) Where voter registration fraud has occurred it has been by rogue ACORN employees, originally reported to authorities by ACORN themselves (who are the actual victims of any such fraud by their employees), or 3) Smoke and mirrors are used to cloud the fact that not a single fraudulent vote has actually been cast by anyone.


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Much ado about this.
If Obama was ONLY involved with ACORN.
Look up
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Weathermen +Obama
Citizenship +Obama
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WE are so fucked no matter which one of these criminal fascists selected for us to 'vote' for, wins.

ACORN specializes in registering young people and poor people. That's their constituency. These people tend to vote Democrat. That is the reason why they are being picked out.

ACORN has submitted, to the registrar (in Cook county I think), information about people they hired, who turned out to be submitting fraudulent registrations. So, ACORN first fires these losers, then sends their information to the county registrar. Why does ACORN bother? Because the waste the organization's money.

The county has not followed up on these cheats. It is probably just that they aren't equipped to maintain a database of these people.

The value of a fraudulent registration is low. If someone registers to vote, they need to show up at a polling place with a valid ID to get their name and address verified the first time they vote. After that time, they can vote without an ID - they just need to know the address and have a matching signature. So, if someone is going to be voting illegally with a false identity, they also need to obtain some kind of fake ID.

The question now, is, what is the value of a vote, and what is the cost of a fake ID? The vote is going to be a lot less expensive than the fake ID, but, if one is dedicated to fraudulent voting, the cost of the ID can be amortized across multiple votes and elections.

You can calculate the value of a vote by looking at campaign expenditures. If a campaign spends $10,000, and they get 1,000 votes, then each vote cost $10. Thus, the price they would be willing to pay would be around $10.

To make it worth it, you have to sell multiple votes per election. That requires some kind of organization to aggregate the voters, and to communicate with the campaigns or their allies. For this they'd charge some kind of fee. The percentage is indeterminate to me.

Now, let's assume there is an organization that is (illegally) gathering a small army of vote fraud perpetrators. How do they determine which way to vote? If we assume they are business-like, they sell to the highest bidder.

How much would a campaign bid? Well, it depends. If the candidate is polling well, the fraud votes are less valuable. If the candidate is polling poorly, the fraud votes are more valuable. If they are neck-and-neck, then the fraud votes are the most valuable. Secondarily, the votes become more valuable if you're trying to gain seats in a legislative body, and you are close to a majority.

In the present elections, it's the Republicans who are behind. So it's they who are more likely to commit vote fraud.

That's not making sense to me. What are the loopholes being exploited?

I can see re-registering dead people with a new address, and then voting as a dead person.

If you register as a new voter, then, at the polls, your name is printed on a separate list, and you need to also show up with some kind of ID. That can be faked, but, you still need to show up to vote. (You can't vote by mail the first time.)

One loophole I see is that a bank statement or utility bill is accepted as ID.

Where's the chaos caused by overregistration happening? I don't see it.

This is funny. Folks on the Daily Kos have found out that this guy "Joe the Plumber", is registered to vote as a Republican (he's not undecided) and his name was entered incorrectly.

Some people are saying he's a relative of Charles Keating, too.

He's also not licensed, meaning that if Joe the plumber breaks his head at your home, he might not have insurance.

....doesn't need a license under current Ohio law since he works for somebody else and is bonded and insured by them.....he isn't related to Charley Keating either....that apparently is somebody else in Cincinnati who's brother in law is related to Keating....even if he was, so what?

I didn't get that he was working for someone else.

In that case, how could he make so much money? The companies bill 75 to 85 an hour. He'd have to work nearly 3000 hours to bill 250k. So after the boss takes a cut, what's left?

How much money does he make in a year? how much is 'that much'?....you have no idea how much he makes and neither do I...if you had actually paid attention to what he was saying instead of getting your 'news' from Daily Kos,you would know that what he said that he was planning on buying the plumbing business he works for and it currently makes about $250k a year...not that he himself makes that at present

ACORN is registering those who have been used and abused by this fascist system and encouraging them to continue to vote for the very Democratic party that wants nothing more than to keep them poor so that can be subject to further abuse.

I strongly encourage ACORN to redirect their efforts away from voter registration and towards true empowerment that can only be found by removing people from political parties who only wish to preserve their own power for their own purposes and toward unaffiliated community involvement and activism.

Joe better learn something about taxes, then.

If the business has 250k in revenues, then the profit is less than 250k, and the owner's take-home is much less. let's say the business charges $80 an hour. Suppose Joe's making $30 an hour, for a nominal 60k per year. With overtime, he's making 110k per year on his paycheck (gross).

That leaves 140k for the owner. Payroll taxes are around $18k. (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p15/ar02.html) The owner pays for insurance, vehicle, fuel, tools and supplies. Say that's around 22k. That leaves 100k for the owner.

Now, that's something to think about. If the owner hires three plumbers, the take-home profit can be pretty substantial. Is this fair?

Maybe, if there were a higher personal tax on profits, the owners would not take the profits. They could do the following:

- pay for additional education and training for the staff, to diversify the jobs they could bid on
- reduce the profit margins to expand their market
- spend the money on business development and advertising
- pay more toward the 401k or start a pension
- start a side business within the existing business, and not take the cash as profit

.....that Joe doesn't understand the difference between gross and net?.....he clearly knows a lot more about the company he works for than you do...which is nothing at all.....he said that the company clears about 250k per annum and that is why he inquired about eventually buying the business when he first went to work there....there is no reason not to take what he said at face value.....since it is a sole proprietorship,the owner declares the net profit as personal income and files quarterly and then does what he pleases with the net...either plowing it back into the business or taking out as personal income.....either way,he doesn't need your help or advice on what do with it....and neither does Joe...more to the point, Obozo plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire before he starts 'spreading the wealth around',which will essentially mean a tax increase for a lot of people making less than 250k.....if you can't figure that out,then you haven't really been paying attention to what Obzo has been saying or you've been conned by him...which is what he is counting on

I believe Obama is campaigning on repealing the Bush Tax Cuts only for the top 1% of incomes, not all incomes. So the cuts will remain in effect for the majority of the 250k. They'll remain in effect until 2010.

I don't know what the campaign message on cap gains is. I know, in general, he wants to reinstate the previous rate for short term cap gains, but I don't know if he's going to raise long term. Shot term cap gains used to be 40%, traditionally, but I have read that Obama wants 25%. He said he'd want no cap gains taxes on small businesses.

That seems fair, because the cap gains on stocks (if there are any) can pay for part of this 700 billion bailout.

The cap gains cuts could have contributed to increasing the speed at which housing bubble expanded. Higher short-term cap gains taxes force speculators to hold onto assets longer, as prices rise. It was lowered, to treat short term gains as income, up to 35% -- thereafter functioning like a flat tax. STCG was a regressive tax for the biggest speculators.

Higher short term cap gains may slow down a recovery, after we hit bottom on this crash. It's hard to say, because there's that 0% rate for small businesses. One way to doge that tax may be to set up a lot of small businesses for your relatives.

Ambiguous Overlord speaking here...
This is kinda funny thinking here.
That Obama represents the left unless you mean the left side of the CIA under Zbigniew Brzezinski who funded Pol Pot, created the Al-CIAda, is a Trilateral founder and taught at or recruited Obama at Columbia University.

I think terms like 'left ' and 'right' are for morons.