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don't be fooled
by Peeter Gunn Thursday, Nov. 01, 2007 at 7:30 PM

Criminals and criminal government can't be the only ones with fire arms.
Guns and the prospect of guns, reduce violent crime and restrain criminal governments.
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Guns Make Us Monsters
by kl Friday, Nov. 02, 2007 at 6:39 PM

In fact, guns have a racist aspect..............in America........... guns are the number one killer of young Black men.......... To defend hand guns is to condone the killing of thousands of people; most of whom are minority. Yeah, I know, it's not the guns, just the bullet holes that kill people, but because of hand guns more than 40 thousand Americans are dead every year (and many more are horribly wounded for life). Mostly it's the young, and mostly it's the minorities who are being killed and wounded.
Hand guns are designed for one thing: to kill other human beings....... and they do a very good job of doing it.
too many people are being killed.
too many people are be made brain-dead and paralyzed for life because of hand guns.
it's an epidemic that is killing our young.

Hand guns should be outlawed now.
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death by...
by Peeter Gunn Friday, Nov. 02, 2007 at 8:37 PM

As for black people, cops also kill black people. If anyone should be disarmed it would be the gun happy cops.
Gun sure do kill people. Glad I have a few nice ones.
Self defense is a human right.
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Just Another Week........
by kl Saturday, Nov. 03, 2007 at 7:40 AM

Tribune staff reporters
10:30 PM CDT, October 18, 2007

A mound of about 30 stuffed animals hugged the base of the tree near where 5th-grader Arthur Jones was killed by a stray bullet Wednesday evening while on his way to buy candy.


October 25, 2007

Arthur was the fifth CPS student to be killed by gun violence this school year. Samuel Benavente, shot and killed Sunday, was the sixth.
The victims this year also include a 13-year-old who was carjacked and shot in an Indiana park, and a 14-year-old killed by a shotgun blast on the South Side.


12:32 PM CDT, November 1, 2007

“Family and friends gathered this morning at the home of the pregnant woman who was shot and killed as she returned home with her three children from trick-or-treating Wednesday evening….”

November 3, 2007
BY LEONARD N. FLEMING Staff Reporter/ lfleming@suntimes.com
“A few hours earlier Hughes, a freshman running back on the University of Notre Dame football team, had just buried his older brother, Earl "Tony" Hughes, 24, who was murdered Tuesday with a gunshot to the head two blocks from his home in North Austin”




Posted: Saturday, 03 November 2007 2:43AM

Suspect Indicted in October Slaying of Good Samaritan


CHICAGO (STNG) -- "An 18-year-old man was indicted Friday for his alleged role in the fatal shooting of Ronald Heard -- son of a Chicago Police officer -- who was killed in defense of a woman being assaulted in a restaurant parking lot."

New York

Oct. 29

"Four men were killed during a violent Halloween weekend marked by a string of bold shootings across the city — including two in which
fathers were shot in front of their daughters.
• A Columbia-educated orthodontist was shot and killed while walking with his 4-year-old daughter near a playground in Forest
Hills, Queens.
• A Bronx man was shot and killed when intruders burst into the apartment where he was with his 12-year-old daughter.
• A crowd of would-be customers shot and killed a Bronx bartender who refused to serve them at closing time.
• Four people were shot in East New York in a single incident that left one dead and three with minor injuries yesterday evening."



New York Times, United States - Oct 30, 2007
By AL BAKER "The gunman who killed a man in front of his estranged wife and their 4-year-old daughter "………..


Oct 31

NEW YORK -- "Authorities arrested a 17-year-old in connection with a street shooting that left one teenager dead and three others injured, police said ...."Tuesday.
"Willie Mays faces charges of murder, assault and criminal possession of a weapon in the shooting that killed 18-year-old Darius Jenkins, who was shot in the torso Sunday on a street in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn."


NYPD: Man shot dead in Midtown building
6:52 AM EDT, November 3, 2007
NEW YORK

"Masked robbers stormed into an illicit poker game in a midtown Manhattan office building, shooting one man dead in a violent stickup, police said. "


(Original Publication: November 3, 2007)Son talks about dad slain in Halloween shooting in Mount Vernon "

MOUNT VERNON - "The 52-year-old family man who was gunned down by egg-throwing vandals on Halloween
was so respected in his native Jamaica that there was no street too dangerous for him to walk safely, his son said during an emotional news conference yesterday."

"Five-year-old daughter discovers mother, boyfriend dead in Rupert
Barre Montpelier Times Argus, VT - 2 hours ago
Armstrong and Ploski both appeared to have died from gunshot wounds ....."



Oct 30 "The father of a University of Nevada, Reno student killed at a weekend party in Reno said his son died as he tried to help shove a gunman out of the house after seeing him murder a friend."

"Kelly, 21, of Truckee, was among three young men shot and killed at a Reno Halloween party on Sunday. Derek Jensen, 23, of Reno, and Nathan Viljoen, 23, of Fallon, also were gunned down."

CBS 2, CA - Oct 31, 2007
"The victim, described in his mid 20s, was shot on the street, he said. The victim suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was pronounced dead at a hospital, ..."



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git them guns
by Peeter Gunn Saturday, Nov. 03, 2007 at 8:23 AM

You know, after the VT psyops massacre in a disarmed and helpless school where NO ONE could defend themselves is just what 'ki' needs to complete the preparation of lambs to the slaughter.
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It's an Epidemic
by kl Saturday, Nov. 03, 2007 at 11:29 AM

ALAMEDA: UPDATE: TEEN SHOT DEAD POSSIBLY DUE TO ATTEMPTED ROBBERY
CBS 5, CA - Nov 1, 2007
The teen was found shot shortly after 10 pm in the playground area of Washington Park, located at 799 Central Ave., according to Lt. Art Fuentes. ...
Police: Slain teen a victim of robbery try San Jose Mercury News
Patrol officer didn't hear gunfire that killed Alameda teen ... Alameda Times-Star
Alameda Teen Murdered On Halloween abc7news.com
all 65 news articles »

Teen Shot Dead Overnight In Adams County
cbs4denver.com, CO - Nov 1, 2007
That shooting at about 3:30 am was less than 3 miles from where the teen was killed Wednesday night. The victims were taken to St. Anthony's North and St. ...


Crime spree ended in Cooper City teen's killing
MiamiHerald.com, FL - 1 hour ago
BY JENNIFER MOONEY PIEDRA AND DAVID OVALLE Police say Eric Rosado, the 14-year-old Cooper City High freshman shot dead this week while robbing a Naranja ...


Teen fatally shot in Annapolis
Baltimore Sun, United States - Nov 1, 2007
By a Sun reporter 10:56 AM EDT, November 1, 2007 Annapolis police identified this morning the 18-year-old man who was shot and killed Halloween night in ...


Jobe shot Dressel out of fear, his attorney tells jury
Toledo Blade, OH - 6 hours ago
She said the teen learned later that the man he shot was dead and that he was an undercover police officer. But because he was “terrified” that “the police ...


Two men shot dead outside TA nightclub in apparent revenge
Ha'aretz, Israel - Oct 31, 2007
By Haaretz Correspondent and Agencies , By Roni Singer-Heruti Two men were shot dead late Tuesday night at a Tel Aviv nightclub and three others were ...


Teen fatally shot in Annapolis
Baltimore Sun, United States - Nov 1, 2007
By a Sun reporter 7:28 AM EDT, November 1, 2007 An 18-year-old man was shot and killed last night in Annapolis, the eighth homicide in Maryland's capital ...


Teen killed last night
Hi-Desert Star, CA - Nov 1, 2007
YUCCA MESA — A 17-year-old Yucca Valley High School student was shot and killed here on the night of Wednesday, Oct. 31, the county coroner’s office reports ...


Dismissal of Agent’s Murder Charges Returns Victim’s Family to ...
New York Times, United States - 11 hours ago
The victim in that killing, Dominic Masseria, was shot dead on the steps of a church in 1989. As the police investigated the killing, prosecutors have said, ...
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Lawrence teen charged in fatal shooting
Boston Globe, United States - Nov 1, 2007
Essex District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett's office said today that Rudy Cruz shot and killed Daniel Bautista, 18, at 7 pm Tuesday at the corner of Farnham ...


Teen shot dead in playground
Melbourne Herald Sun, Australia - Oct 18, 2007
By Belinda Tasker in London A 16-YEAR-old boy shot dead in a children's playground in Sheffield has become the latest victim in a spate of murders being ...


Teen shot dead after stealing bale of straw
Cincinnati Post, OH - Oct 16, 2007
AP PORTSMOUTH - A man shot and killed a teenager who stole a bale of straw from a piece of property used by a shooting club for target practice, ...


Weekend Event Picks
NBC6.net, FL - 18 hours ago
Two South Florida teens are th... Restaurant Customer Shot, Kill... Restaurant Customer Shot, Killed A restaurant customer is shot . ...


Teen found dead was city's fourth homicide in 14 hours
Florida Times-Union, FL - Oct 28, 2007
By Jim Schoettler, The Times-Union A Jacksonville teen found dead in a field Saturday had been shot, making him the fourth city homicide in a 14-hour period ...


Central Texas Digest: FBI questions Austin housing officials; Teen ...
Austin American-Statesman, TX - Nov 1, 2007
A teen will be tried as an adult after being charged in the July 9 slaying of a man found dead with multiple gunshot wounds after his car crashed into a ...


3 killed, another almost dead in just 14 hours
Florida Times-Union, FL - Oct 28, 2007
Graham said the victim of the parking lot shooting had been at the teen club when Brannon was shot. Graham said police are convinced the two attacks are ...


Police find Asbury teen shot dead
Asbury Park Press, NJ - Oct 20, 2007
Johnson is the fourth person to be killed by gunfire in the city this year. In June, a 66-year-old city man, Gary Allen, was killed inside his Borden Avenue ...


Letters from Mesquite, Garland
Dallas Morning News, TX - Nov 1, 2007
They shot and killed him, stole everything they wanted then opened his refrigerator, drank his beer, wiped the cans clean of fingerprints and threw the cans ...


Teen Killed In Drive-By Shooting
NBC5i.com, TX - Oct 29, 2007
DALLAS -- Dallas police are investigating a drive-by shooting Monday morning that left a teenager dead. A 17-year-old was sleeping on a sofa inside a house ...

Teen killed by stray bullet in New York
Sydney Morning Herald, Australia - Oct 17, 2007
This is a country in which more than 10000 people were shot dead last year, and it took the death of Tavin Alves to trigger an outcry over accidental ...

2 teens shot dead within 15 hours
Richmond Times Dispatch, VA - Oct 9, 2007
23, two people were killed, including a bystander, after shots were fired at a car on Tifton Court. Ikia Goodman, 25, was fatally shot outside her apartment ...

Teen student shot dead in car is named
Edinburgh Evening News, UK - Oct 16, 2007
Student Philip Poru, 18, died in hospital after he was shot along with another 18-year-old man, who has not been named. Police said the victim was killed at ...

Teen shot dead in car
The Sun, UK - Oct 15, 2007
By ONLINE REPORTER A BLACK teenager was shot dead as he sat in a car with a friend, Scotland Yard said today. The 18-year-old died of his injuries after the ...

Sheriff: Deputy in drug probe kills Mobile teen in self-defense
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette, IN - Nov 1, 2007
Latest from AP AP An 18-year-old Mobile man was shot and killed Thursday afternoon by a Mobile County sheriff's deputy during a drug investigation, ...

2 dead after shootout, high-speed chase, officer shooting
Boston Globe, United States - Oct 28, 2007
Seiha Srey, 25, of Cape Elizabeth, fired several times before being killed; the other gunman, Andy Luong, 22, of Biddeford, was shot by Gorham police after ...

Shooting leaves one dead
KOKI FOX 23, OK - Nov 1, 2007
October 31 - A late night shooting leaves a teen dead and another in the hospital. The two were shot outside the Commanche Park apartments, near 36th St. ...

Los Angeles Gang Fight Claims the Life of a Teen, Injures 4 Others
Associated Content, CO - Oct 31, 2007
Laterian Tasby, the 17-year-old, was shot and killed after a violent fight broke out among a few of the guests at a party located on the 500 block of 11th ...

Man gets 55 years for killing teenager
Gary Post Tribune, IN - Nov 2, 2007
The teen was pronounced dead at The Methodist Hospitals in Gary. Herrod, a convicted child molester, was on probation for that crime when he killed Worthey. ...

Teen refused to give up bike fatally shot
Chicago Sun-Times, United States - Oct 22, 2007
Samuel Benavente, of the 3900 block of West 55th Place, was pronounced dead at Mount Sinai Hospital at 2:47 pm Monday, a spokesman for the Cook County ...




Witness Emerges With Dark Secrets In Brown's Case
NBC5.com, IL - 19 hours ago
Lockett said Degorski was her boyfriend, describing him as a troubled teen with a hair-trigger temper. Lockett: The way my mind was working at the time, ...


SFist Blotter
SFist, CA - Nov 1, 2007
Last night at Washington Park in Alameda, a 15-year-old girl was shot and killed in a robbery. According to the the Chron, "the girl was with about 10 ...


Teen killed in shooting at Rialto mall
Los Angeles Times, CA - Oct 8, 2007
... on Foothill Boulevard about 6:30 pm One of the suspects pulled out a handgun and shot Terry Green of Los Angeles, who was declared dead at the scene. ...


Richmond woman killed, teen wounded in drive-by shooting
San Francisco Chronicle, USA - Oct 17, 2007
Ramona Price was shot as she was standing at Fifth Street and Chanslor Avenue at 6:30 pm , police Lt. Mark Gagan said. She was hit at least once and was ...


Teen jailed for shooting sister, 12
Metro, UK - Oct 31, 2007
A teenager who accidentally shot dead his sister while "messing around" with his mother's illegal handgun was today jailed for two years. ...


DVD Review: Twisted Terror Collection
Monsters and Critics.com, UK - Nov 2, 2007
A teen-‘Frankenstein’ story of sorts, Matthew Laborteaux stars as a young Doogie Howser, err I mean Paul Conway, who is the new kid in town. ...


Teen Killed In Park
KCTV5 News, MO - Oct 8, 2007
A teen was shot to death in a metro park and members of his family say they want answers. As soon as Vickie Springer heard a young man was shot and killed ...


Top Stories Mystery of teen executions
Mirror.co.uk, UK - Oct 11, 2007
Indeed, just four days after Natalie and Raiane died, a 16-year-old boy was shot dead, this time with five bullets through the neck. ...

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here's the problem
by Peeter Gunn Saturday, Nov. 03, 2007 at 11:48 AM

Oh and this can top the sheer number of people killed by their own government?
How reminiscent of the push to disarm after the VT massacre where a 'lone nut' was allowed to kill over thirty unarmed people.
This push by the standard psyops to disarm the people has ominous implications as to what they have in store for us.
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further notes on guns
by Peeter Gunn Saturday, Nov. 03, 2007 at 12:03 PM

The Swiss has the correct model where every male adult has to maintain and *keep concealed* an automatic weapon.
Giving the 'authorities' the last word in lethal force always results in massacres of the people by their own or *other* governments.
Think about it.
As to weapon control, the US government can't even keep track of their on considerable purchases as the missing thousands of AK 47s which could always end up in the hands of-wink-wink- 'terrorists' right here on your street.
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offensive
by learn2shoot Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 8:05 AM

I am a firearms instructor and the original post is bigotted and offensive.

Guns Save Lives and are used to prevent crime far more often than they are used to commit.

http://www.gunowners.org/sk0802.htm

Notice I did not say guns prevent crime or guns commit crime.... because as they are a tool they cannot do anything on their own.
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Jay
by Jay Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 8:52 AM
jayb@swayzee.com

Why The Gun is Civilized
By Major L. Caudill USMC, Retired
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100 pound woman on equal footing with a 220 pound mugger, a 75 year old retiree on equal footing with a 19 year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a car load of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a (armed) mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed, either by choice or legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV. There people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I’m looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation….. And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Thomas Jefferson
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Number one killer of Black Men
by Me Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 8:58 AM

The number one killer of black men most certainly is not firearms. Car accidents kill far more. If you don't believe me look it up. I would venture to say murder isn't even in the top 3.
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Mediageek
by Your Mom Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 9:31 AM

Guns make people into monsters?

If so, well GRRR, Baby, GRRR!
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Why the gun is civilization article
by Brett Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 9:33 AM

Why the gun is civil...
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In reference to the above article, this was NOT written by a retired Marine, but rather a 2A blogger named Marko.

http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com

If guns kill people, Microsoft Word causes spelling mistakes. A gun is an inanimate object.

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Thank you ki
by VivianC Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Thank you, kl, for the informative list of articles about shooting deaths. I like how you list the ones from Chicago, the UK and Australia. I don't understand how any of those could be possible because all three have strict gun bans. Can you please explain how gun violence can happen in gun-free zones?
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Violence does not Require a Weapon
by Open Minded Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Guns do not cause violence, anymore than butcher knives or baseball bats cause violence. Guns are low on the list of items that result in the death of people. The automobile is very high on the list, and is abused far more regularly to cause death and maiming than guns are.

Violence is s state of mind, that translates into a course of action; that state of mind is one where there is very little self-discipline or self-control, and the person thinks primarily of satisfying their animal urges. Many people like to refer to this a "crime of passion", so as to excuse the result and defer the proper consequences from being enforced.

As long as people keep making excuses to overlook violent criminal actions, the problem will continue, and keep getting worse. Allowing law abiding people to carry the means to defend themselves from sudden attack may have a modicum of deterrent effect, but the real problem is a social disease, that requires strong social medicine, not blaming an inanimate object for human behavior problems.

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Common Sense
by Travis Brown Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 5:07 PM
travis@loseyandassociates.com

I feel badly for the anti-gun people out there that believe firearms themselves are the problem. In reality, they have many of the same feelings as firearms owners and enthusiasts, some of their beliefs are just a bit misguided. Most logical people wish to avoid pain, suffering, crime, and most unpleasant situations by default. Most logical people have respect for human life and do not have the desire to hurt another human being. In my opinion, it seems to me as if a large number of anti-gun people do not realize that "gun people" also value human life. It is their right to dislike firearms, and the freedom to do so is why America is such a great country. However, I feel for these anti-gun people that are misguided in their beliefs that banning firearms, unrealistic restrictions (that typically only make things harder on law-abiding citizens), etc somehow make things safer.

I thought I should separate this next paragraph to help get the point across as I feel it is very important and incredibly overlooked in our current society:

(1) IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LEGISLATE MORALITY.
No amount of legislation is a substitute for morality or the lack thereof.

(2) POLICE CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME. Certain situations arise where you have seconds to live, and whether or not you have a firearm can determine whether you have a good chance of living or dying unarmed.

(3) UNREALISTIC RESTRICTIONS DO NOTHING BUT WASTE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S TIME.
Does anyone truly believe that a pistol grip on a rifle, extra couple of bullets in a clip, or any other number of trivial things somehow turns a firearm into some sort of potent superweapon intent on destroying mankind? Come on, have some common sense. It's meaningless to legislate such simplistic and useless things that have no effect what so ever on crime. Spend the money on eliminating illegal firearm sales to criminals, and stop worrying about the COSMETIC appearance of my sporting weapon! It's not a far leap from this to legislating what type of paint job you are allowed on your car, certain types of clothes you are allowed to wear........THIS IS AMERICA, GEEZ!

(4) GUN OWNERS VALUE HUMAN LIFE AS WELL!
We aren't all a bunch of lunatics bent on shooting up the world. Most of us value human life and absolutely hate the idea of hurting another human being. The difference is, most of us are willing to fight for our lives if someone decides to do us harm. We won't do it because we want to, we'd do it because death is just not an option.

No matter how many laws people try to pass, no matter how many gun bans are implemented, there are always demented and disturbed individuals out there willing to do others harm no matter what. The only way to protect against this is to insure law-abiding citizens always have the right to choose to defend themselves with firearms if they should decide to. We have not yet evolved into the utopian society most of us would like, where we all deal with our problems through communication rather than violence.
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I find it absurd...
by Thebes Monday, Nov. 26, 2007 at 10:10 PM
twilightandthebes@yahoo.com

I find it absurd when those same people who warn of a dictator in charge of our nation also complain about guns in the hands of the people.

I can't count the number of times one of my friends has half-joked to me "see you in gitmo then" or "now the government will round us all up" since Bush got hisself a decider-ship. And yet a good third of these friends don't and won't own guns. Why? "I don't want to bring violence into the situation" or "They will just kill me anyway". Things that many Jews likely said under Hitler (and yet a very small number of brave Jews held the full force of the Nazi army at bay for 6 weeks in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, starting with less weaponry than I keep in my closet).

Guns do not kill people. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Many other nations have higher suicide rates than the US, and there is no evidence that availible guns cause suicide, they are just an easier and quicker means than jumping off a bridge. Even though the (very slight) majority of MURDERS in the US are committed with guns, the US still has a lower murder rate than other nations where guns are banned. Simply put, a gun is a tool, just like a machette or a kitchen knife. Taking away a tool does not stop crime, nor does it unmake monsters.

In the past 110 years in the world, about 230 million people have been killed by their 'rulers', about 70 million in war, and less than a million have been murdered with privately owned firearms. Perhaps it is time to put our money where our mouths are and insure that we as "progressives" or "the left" are well armed... the alternative could be far more gruesome then a few gangland killings of thugs by thugs.
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Guns are Racist?
by Cee Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 12:55 AM
booyeah

Actually, Gun CONTROL is racist. Read some history, it will make sense.
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Men don't turn evil because of guns
by Soy Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 1:12 AM

The message of this images seems to be rather ignorant. There are much deeper influences that turn people bad than posession of a gun. Shouldn't we look for the reasons people decide to take someone's life before we worry about one of the many tools they use to do it?
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Guns have Racist Aspect
by Cee Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 4:01 AM

Ki also advised that Guns (an inanimate object) have a racist aspect. Does this mean that the bullets we use to kill whatever countrymen various countries have used were racist? When the US colonies shot at the British, their guns and bullets were "racist" against the British?

Freedom of speech on the internet is so revealing. Wow.
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Racist Gun Control
by Dave Moore Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 4:38 AM

I love how the image suggests that guns turn blacks into monsters. Way to scare the white people, dog!

In fact gun control is racist. The original gun control laws were all about keeping uppity darkies from objecting when decent white folk burned crosses and strung up nooses. Those laws were never intended to be used against whites; laws from the colonial period explicitly target blacks. Oh, and Indians. Remember all those cowboy movies about traitor whites running guns to those savage Indians? That's right: all you gun controllers are advocating the crucial genocide enabling policy that lead to the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee. Proud of yourselves?
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Racist Gun Control
by Dave Moore Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 4:39 AM

I love how the image suggests that guns turn blacks into monsters. Way to scare the white people, dog!

In fact gun control is racist. The original gun control laws were all about keeping uppity darkies from objecting when decent white folk burned crosses and strung up nooses.

Those laws were never intended to be used against whites; laws from the colonial period explicitly target blacks.

Oh, and Indians. Remember all those cowboy movies about traitor whites running guns to those savage Indians? That's right: all you gun controllers are advocating the crucial genocide enabling policy that lead to the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee. Proud of yourselves?
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guns are the number one killer of young Black men..?
by Tom Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 8:47 AM

"guns are the number one killer of young Black men.."

Noooo, guns are just the vector, the young black "men" are the number one killer of young black "men"! Gang violence, drug dealing, "respect", and ignorance blind them to the reality that there are a heck of a lot more in life to live and die for. Killing and dying for status in the eyes of their (largely) criminal peers is pathetic and insane.

Lazy, uninvolved, apathetic parents kill people. Maybe it really IS time to register and license something...and it isn't guns.
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by Peter Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 10:25 AM

Gun control is racist. Starting in 1640, laws have been enacted to keep weapons of any sort out of the hands of black people. Over the years, the scope of these laws has broadened, such that the Sullivan Law (1912, NYC) was passed to keep my Italian Catholic ancestors disarmed.

And you are now agreeing with being second class citizens? Why the h-ll did my uncles and grandfather risk their lives during the 60's to bring the vote to all Americans? So that you could say 'no thanks, this freedom and liberty stuff is too much for us to handle'?

Raise your children properly and they won't grab a gun to settle their differences.

And remember the simple math:
Black Man/Woman + gun = Equal Citizen

Unless you like being pulled over for Driving While Black.
Or having the police serve 'no knock' warrants.
Or needing ID in order to get into your apartment building, as is happening in New York.

Freedom isn't free; you have to do your part.
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So Now We Know
by Richard Jennings Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 12:05 PM

So now we know that you gun grabbers actually, dementedly, believe that guns turn people into monsters! How can you actually believe this?

The truth is, guns do not turn people into monsters. Monsters get guns, while the real humans are often prohibited from having them, or using them in self-defense. And even if you are successful in confiscating every gun out there, and shutting downall the factories, people can make homemade guns with simple pipes. A man recently committed suicide with just such a gun.

The above picture is an insult to all honest gun owners, and the monsters won't care.
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Moron
by Frank Tuesday, Nov. 27, 2007 at 3:19 PM

Ownership of guns doesn't turn people into monsters, just as the ownership of art supplies doesn't turn someone in to an artist. The will to be a monster or an artist has to be there first.
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In Response to Posted Shootings
by D Wednesday, Nov. 28, 2007 at 9:28 AM

It is already illegal to commit murder, or to steal. If you want to support a pro guncontrol stance, please post instances where a gun did the following:
1. Loaded itself.
2. Killed innocent bystanders without being operated by anyone.
3. There was no crime being committed when the gun "just went off."

good luck
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Denial of Moral Autonomy is Degrading
by Kirby Wednesday, Nov. 28, 2007 at 3:29 PM
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This is offensive because it denies the free will and moral autonomy of black people. It is not guns that make people good or bad; it is attentiveness to God or the devil. This mural implies that black people cannot handle arms and responsibility in dedication to good purposes, only the bad.

Perhaps this artist and his friends should read moral philosophy and meditate. After some time, maybe then they will be worthy of the responsible use of armed force.
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