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And Humpty Dumpty Had A Great Fall...

by Watching As They Crumble From Within Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007 at 4:35 PM

Minuteman Founder, Jim Gilchrist, Gets The Boot!

From: Los Angeles Times
Minuteman founder wants reigns back
By, Jennifer Delson 2/26/07

" Jim Gilchrist, the Orange County accountant who gained national recognition as the co-founder of a citizen border patrol group, will ask a judge this afternoon to issue a restraining order in order to regain control of the Minuteman Project.

Earlier this month, Gilchrist was REMOVED BY HIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, which accused the charismatic anti-illegal-immigrant figure of ABUSING HIS POWER. Minuteman Project officials said they will detail their allegations at a press conference later this afternoon.

The rift, Gilchrist said, "Could very well bring an end to the entire Minuteman Project. There are groups around the country witht the name, but we are the most well known and the most powerful."

Gilchrist said he did nothing wrong. His opponents, he said, are motivated by "a greed for power and a false perception of an endless stream of money."

He said he plans to continue his work, which began in 2005 with a citizen border patrol that gained widespread media attention and a criticism from President Bush, who called them "vigilantes".

Robert Vasquez-a former county commissioner in Idaho who, in his elected position, sued companies that hired illegal workers-said top conservative leaders turned against Gilchrist. Among them is Barbara Coe, who heads California Coalition for Immigration Reform and co-authored Proposition 187, the ballot measure that sought to deny undocumented immigrants certain public benefits.

"Sometimes a position becomes bigger than the man," Vasquez said. "Its unfortunate that it has reached this point."

Gilchrist opponents filed a complaint against their former leader with the Internal Revenue Service, alleging that he did not obtain nonprofit status for the Minuteman organization and improperly used a discount postal rate to solicit donations.

Gilchrist said a direct mail organization was responsible to secure the nonprofit status and if it hadn't, it didn't amount to a criminal error on his part.

BOARD MEMBERS VOTED TO REPLACE GILCHRIST WITH MARVIN STEWART, am African American minister. Gilchrist said the board members have no voting power and serve in an advisory capacity."
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Their Own Worst Enemy

by Don Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007 at 4:45 PM

Groups such as the Minutemen and Save Our State are their own worst enemy.
They are losing the battle, and turning on themselves. Their tactics and S.O.P.'s are becoming more and more disorganized, violent, and desperate. A sure sign of defeat.
Save Our State has to resort to harrassing day labor workers outside Home Depots simply because of the fact that they have an organization that could never possibly stand up to the goverment & big business. They do not possess the balls, the money, the support, the experience, nor the members to go after who they really should, therefore they are forced to pick on the "little guy" (the actual worker).
The Gilchrist/Minutemen situation shows the corruption, inter-fighting, & complete desperation that these anti-immigration groups are currently dealing with.
I always knew that they would crumble from within.
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SOS under gag "order"

by 1st hand source Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007 at 11:11 PM

Today save our state oberfuhrer Joey Turner "ordered" all sos members not to discuss the Gilchrist scandal.

He's started locking down forum threads on the sos website, sending out nasty pms, and making gestapo-like phone calls to stifle all freedom of speech within the organization.

I guess this is just a taste of the fascist Amerikkka joey dreamt of building ! Yeah, past tense. Turner's sh*tting bricks !

Whatsa matter, Joey, scared all the sos'ers current and former are gonna finally start thinking for themselves and wonder where all their donations went? 'Fraid they're gonna demand a full accounting like the MMP board? You should be you loser.

They're gonna be pissed when they find out what you did with their money !! : )

First there was Chris Simcox, now Jim Gilchrist is the latest homeland hitler to be exposed ! Joey Turner you ARE next ! ; )

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Turner Must Have Lots To Hide

by Truth B Told Thursday, Mar. 01, 2007 at 7:28 PM

Interesting news, "1st hand source"!
I'm sure Joe Turner has alot to hide! Just the fact alone that he's not allowing his members to discuss this is fishy.
The sheep members of SOS need to DEMAND a showing of where all their money's been going! For at rallys/protests, SOS dosent even have a banner with their organizations name on it!!!!
Cheap bastards! So then where's all the members money going????
Looks like SOME of the money is going to bail money for arrested SOS members, to replace members cameras that got rightfully smashed by the opposition, etc.
I'm telling you, pretty soon there may be no need to counter-protest these fools, for they are crumbling from within & will most certainly destroy the organization all by themselves!!!
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by Jammer CC Thursday, Mar. 01, 2007 at 7:37 PM

No SOS banner at their rallies? Maybe they gave it back to the Nazis who provided it to them(which has been documented on their forums and printed before deletion, I can assure you).
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by Truth B Told Thursday, Mar. 01, 2007 at 11:00 PM

Then maybe Turner should make public SOS's financial hidings! If he has nothing to hide, this should not be a problem.
As for you "continuing the fight" against illegal immigration, your organization needs to step it up, for you are LOSING the battle!
Despite your silly wall, Mexicans are still coming!
Trying to close down Day Labor centers is ridiculous for 2 reasons...One, its quite obvious you need to resort to attacking the "little guy", the defenseless workers because of your lack of balls to attack the goverment & big business (who are really to blame). You know you will never win against the goverment/big business. So, you puss out & go bully the little guy. How heroic! How brave! Second, did you ever stop to think that these centers are set up to keep the workers from spilling out all over the streets (something Im sure you wouldnt stand for)? Thereby lessoning traffic problems, littering, etc. By closing down these centers you create a bigger problem! You create even more shit for you guys to bitch about!!!

Do us all a favor...Pull your heads out your ass for just a minute & THINK!
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"Insider" info ffom SOS forum

by watchale Friday, Mar. 02, 2007 at 12:19 AM

http://saveourstate.org/vforums/showthread.php?t=21970&page=2

This wsa posted to the SOS forum by Chelene Nightingale, a would- be racist "leader."

Keith Hardine and I are currently on a conference call with Marvin Stewart. Marvin Stewart, President of the MMP (as of Feb. 2nd), wanted me to write the following facts:

1. The ONLY people in the MMP that had any credit cards were MMP Founder Jim Gilchrist, MMP Director Steve Eichler. NONE of the other MMP Board members had MMP credit cards.
2. Steve Eichler started complaining about Jim Gilchrist to both Barbara Coe & Marvin Stewart. He complained that Jim Gilchrist was writing bad checks from the MMP account. The checks were bouncing.
3. At the same time Jim Gilchrist started complaining about Steve Eichler using the MMP credit card too often.
4. Sandy Gilchrist was the MMP treasurer at the time (which by the way is against incorporated policy. A wife/husband is not supposed to be treasurer of same organization).
5. Therefore the MMP board performed an audit of the books. The findings were not favorable for either Steve or Jim. The MMP board confronted Steve Eichler about his questionable credit card transactions. Steve Eichler right then and there turned over his credit card and was then immediately removed as Director of the MMP.
6. Then they spoke to Jim & Sandy about multiple problems which included writing a $18,000 check out of the MMP account for personal use for a MMP book club in which was not authorized by the board. The board asked for the 2005 tax records and they discovered that Jim had used the MMP funds for his congressional campaign. They also discovered that Jim had used the MMP funds to promote his book, but he put the profits for the book in his own personal account. The $70,000 in question was funds taken out by Jim Gilchrist himself. The board questioned this missing $70,000 and Jim denied using the funds, yet his signatures are all over it. (These funds are still unaccounted, however evidence proves that Jim has these funds. Evidence includes his signature, however Jim is denying it.) Furthermore Jim Gilchrist was supposed to receive authorization from the MMP board before using any funds. Not only did Jim & Steve not receive the authorization, they kept the rest of the board (Marvin, Deborah, & Barbara) in the dark. These members were removed from many decisions due to the false use of funds by Jim & Steve.
7. When the board spoke to Jim & Sandy, they placed all the evidence on the table. Jim went crazy and said if anyone tried to expose this truth, he "would burn down the MMP and slit anyone's throats."
8. In the MMP minutes dated January 29th, Marvin advised Jim that it would be in his best interest to remove himself from the board and call for an investigation or he would be implicated in criminal activity. The Board agreed that Jim could remain the media representation for the MMP, but not be on the board. (The board wanted to protect Jim and give him every opportunity to come clean. The Board wanted to protect both Jim & the movement.)
9. MMP minutes show that on January 19th Scott Paulson, the MMP Field Commander of Border Operations, gave Jim a name of a Texas attorney to represent himself. And that all the evidence against Steve Eichler would be turned over.
10. MMP minutes show that both Steve & Jim were fired from the MMP Board on January 26th.
11. Another interesting point here involves Raymond Herrera. Evidence proved that Raymond filed a false police report stating that he had been hit by a vehicle at a day labor site rally. The Board presented this evidence to both Jim & Steve to remove Raymond as the MMP spokesperson. Steve & Jim still use Raymond as their spokesperson.
12. MMP minutes show that on January 12th, Steve Eichler called for a meeting in which Steve Eichler declared that "Jim Gilchrist is a thief." (Exact quote.)
13. MMP Board (Marvin, Barbara, & Deborah) have the following evidence that will be presented in court: MMP minutes, campaign records, financial statements, tax records, fundraising, violation of codes records, and more..
14. The MMP board wanted to keep this out of the public and media. The Board made several attempts to work with Jim. Finally Jim agreed to come in last week to meet with Marvin, Deborah, & Barbara to "do the right thing". The meeting was set for last Thursday, but for some reason Jim did not show up, but Jim's attorney did show up. Since Jim was a no show, the meeting adjourned. Jim instead decided to go to the police to file some charges (Jim's attorney was not even aware of this). However the charges are civil, not criminal. The reason that prompted Jim to go to the police was because the MMP bank accounts had been frozen. Jim & Steve had continued to use MMP funds even after being terminated from the MMP board.
15. Currently Jim & Steve have created new websites and money is being funneled through these other sites, however these sites do not have any accounting. MMP funds are still missing.
16. Tim Buehler, MMP media person, was terminated on January 26th for his disloyalty to the corporation. Evidence proved that he was representing Chris Simcox's organization as their media director while being paid by the MMP project. (Tim is currently in Forbes magazine as MCDC National Spokesperson. Remember how Jim feels about Chris Simcox, so this was a huge blow to MMP. Also Tim admitted to knowing about Steve Eichler's embezzlement.)

I know these are harsh facts. And I am sure that many of you will be upset with me. I have been on the phone the entire time with Marvin & Keith while typing this post. I just read the entire post to both and this has been approved. This is being written so everyone can look at the facts. SOS must move on from here. Let's just allow this to all come out. The truth always prevails. In the meantime, let's not be part of gossip. We all like Jim. Marvin told me he still likes Jim, but these are criminal activities and the facts are the facts. As Americans we must just move on and fight for this nation.

Also keep in mind, we know how the media spins stories. Just because Jim is being quoted does not mean it is fact. Robert Vasquez was misquoted in the LA Times. Robert Vasquez is on the side of Marvin, Barbara, & Deborah. Jim went to the media first. The MMP board was forced to go to the media afterwards.
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by Jammer CC Friday, Mar. 02, 2007 at 1:20 AM

If it's true that Deborah Courtney bought alcohol for TIm Beuler(who's under 21), I wonder if they used MMP money LMAO
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