"The Mestizo culture is simply an archaic and alien culture to all European values. They are the inheritors of DNA that drives an ancient, warlike mentality, permanently stuck in time literally centuries behind Europeans. You don't have to take my word for it. The inevitable result of Mestizo culture is graphically evident in what it has produced in their own land: one of the most backwards, non-academic, chaotic societies in the western hemisphere.

Most people wouldn't think of dropping their kids off in a mudhut village in the Amazon jungle or with a tribe in New Guinea that hunts with poisoned blowdarts. Yet, they think they can leave them alone among the spawn of the primitive Mestizo Mexican culture and, somehow, there won't be any problems." ~ waverider (SOS Member)

That is such an incredibly ignorant paragraph.

>The Mestizo culture is simply an archaic and alien culture to all European values.

It's a modern concept, invented in the late 1800s. It includes the alien European culture, and the ideology was invented by Europeans in America. It's not an "American" idea, though -- the people of Europe are heavily mixed.

>They are the inheritors of DNA that drives an ancient, warlike mentality, permanently stuck in time literally centuries behind Europeans.

Didn't Hitler say things like this?

Also, the writer's concept of time as a linear progression, forward, is very "modern." The idea that historically, people are warlike, is unfounded. Wars are the product of society, especially large, complex societies that seek to expand. As the complexity of society has increased, so has war. A war on the scale of WW2 could never have happened back in, say, 1,500 BC.

>You don't have to take my word for it.

Any cursory contemplation of facts proves that, yes, we would have to take his word for it, because he is wrong.

>The inevitable result of Mestizo culture is graphically evident in what it has produced in their own land: one of the most backwards, non-academic, chaotic societies in the western hemisphere.

I think that would be Haiti, Honduras, or Colombia, not Mexico.

A lot of the unrest in Mexico arises from the academic middle class / working class. (In this information age industrial society, the petit bourgeois intellectuals are being proletarianized.) Teachers were the spark that ignited the fire. The fire is opposing neoliberalism, which is produced not only in Mexico, but across the globe, and is squarely centered in the University of Chicago.

"The idea that historically, people are warlike, is unfounded."

This is utter nonsense. War is absolutely natural and within everyone of us.

To think otherwise is folly.

Even though those sentiments might be echoed by every member of S.O.S., including management, it still does not mean that S.O.S. is racist becuase of that post.

Forums are for discussion and discourse and what one members posts is proof of soley of that member's sentiments.

"Websites not liable for posts by others"
http://www.chicanoforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16269

People have made racist comments on IndyMedia, but that does not mean that IndyMedia is racist.

Lastly, you cannot expect webmansters and moderators to follow every member with potty fingers around with a cyber pooper scooper.

People are a product of their society and environment. The germans slaughtered tens of millions of people over the past hundred years. Does this also mean german DNA is predisposed to violence and warlike tendancies.

The latino community has problems. High crime, poor graduation rates and unacceptably-high teen pregnancies. You cannot attribute this to genes, no more than you can attribute german genes to the jewish genecide .

Sounds like supremacist talk. I'm surprised to see that even on the SOS forums. But not very surprised.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=19887

You'll see in this post the part about "racist infiltrators." Thing is, I was at their Irvine rally not long ago. Obviously I wasn't there in support of them. I was there to see if any Stormfront people show up, and one did. I told them about it to see if they'll do anything about it and they did absolutely NOTHING.

A few guys just argued that they're American citizens and basically said "so?" to me. One SOS member shook hands with Advocate(the Nazi who was there), although he said he didn't know what Stormfront is.

They continue to portray Anarchists as kids and confused college students or whatever. But the ones I've communicated with are keenly aware of who they interact with and speak with a lot of logic. Many have stated that they're not into the Aztlan or Mexica Movement thing and some even acknowledge the immigration laws and borders generally. And some politely disagreed with borders. But they don't want to use that as a technicality to deport people who may end up starving and even dying if that were to happen to them. They respect human life like I do.

Yes, it's true that the post mentioned reflects on the individual who wrote it.....
BUT, This is a common day occurance over at SOS. The majority of posters there have said racist things more than once, & anyone who thoroughly reads it daily knows & understands this.

SOS can continue to claim they are not racist. But the evidence speaks for itself.
And since I have gotten to know some SOS members, and listened to their views & ideas, I have come to the conclusion that many members are racist, including Joe Turner.

It's also unfortunate how they Minutemen will look for the families of victims killed in some way by people here against immigration laws. And they cling onto them for the press coverage and photo ops. I'm not sure how exactly it works. But the families of the victims may be new to the Minuteman thing and think they're alright. Or maybe they're not sure how to politely decline their support.

You can't have war without society.

When people were tribal, they had tiny wars that were nothing like today's wars.

Todays wars are, by and large, conflicts about resources and markets. The ideology presented for going to war are religious, ideological, or nationalistic (and they seem to substitute for each other, or have a synergy).

If you're in a tribal society of a few hundred people, then war will be about food resources, and there isn't a need for ideology, because you're doing it for people you know. War is like hunting. There's no religion, ideology, or nation; in fact, there probably was no idea of "god" or even "a cause" or "the nation."

You can't stockpile for war, because food spoils and attracts rodents. Maybe you don't even have farming. You don't have war debts, because there's no money, or state, or bank. There is no military industrial complex, or any industry.

Civilization is the source of war, as we know it.

DNA had something to do with the genocide of Jews and the situation for the Latino community.

The Nazis combined their nationalist Fascism with anti-Semitism, and considered Jews genetically inferior. They thought Jews had the wrong DNA.

Likewise, the Christian Spaniards thought the "savages" had the wrong kind of DNA, and this justified killing or enslaving millions of indigenous people. This oppression is at the root of the problems in the Latino community.

Though both these situations predate the discovery of DNA, they both used contemporary science to justify racism.

The Spaniards had theories of a racial hierarchy long before Francis and Crick, or Darwin, or even Mendel.

The Spanish casta paintings were made in the 1700s. http://institutohemisferico.org/archive/studentwork/colony/olson/Casta1.htm

Gregor Mendel, the founder of genetics, was born in 1822. http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/AB/BC/Gregor_Mendel.html

Racism predated the idea of genetics. It's more like the idea of caste, or a hierarchical, stratified society.

"You can't have war without society.

When people were tribal, they had tiny wars that were nothing like today's wars. "

Perhaps, but as ALL humanity is naturally divided into many societies from small to large, there will always be wars.

Small tribes = small wars

large countries = large wars

You're arguing that if the planet had only one human on it, there'd be no war.

Clearly as every single moment of our history as a species has proven, add just one more person to the mix and you'll get a war.

It's what we do. It'll always be that way. That way and not some other way.

No not hardly. Just the mentally disturbed ones. Most others are merely trying to live.

"No not hardly. Just the mentally disturbed ones. Most others are merely trying to live."

You live in some other world. This world is inhabited by a human race that has ALWAYS waged war with one another and it'll take eons of evolution before that ever changes, if even then.

Peace is the unnatural state. Not war.

Every society engages in it and it always has almost full approval if not total support. We may disagree on the methods and strategy of it but people fight.

But feel free to tell yourself otherwise if you must. The ugly certainty of war will simply slowly and inexorably grind over you.

even at the height of WWII, was more than a tiny fraction of humanity actually trying to kill each other. At any given time on any given day, war or peace, almost everybody, everywhere is peacefully cooperating of their own free will, because even the dumbest ones realize that we all live better that way. Conflict is the anomaly. Peaceful cooperation is the norm.

When coinage was developed and wealth became condensed it became possible to pay for organized armies.
The thing of evil is the accumulation of such wealth due to another simian genetic hardwired drive towards king monkey.
We need to curb the mania of material association and become adults in a sane society. To become a human family and shun the psychotic mind set.

The kind of mind sets that considers war against strangers for ideological or commercial reasons a natural thing. This excuses nothing.

"Conflict is the anomaly. Peaceful cooperation is the norm."

Ridiculous. Human beings as a collection of different cultures and societies are permenantly at war. "peace" punctuates the natural process just long enough for war to start again somewhere else, until it's cycles back again.
There is ALWAYS war. Of course not every human goes to combat but humanity is simply built for war.