By Syed Saleem Shahzad

SOUTH LEBANON - Over the past days, this correspondent has met many Hezbollah field commanders on the war front, as well as in other parts of Lebanon, but they have been too concentrated on their military campaign to offer any real insights.

Similarly, Hezbollah ideologues and, of late, even parliamentarians have gone underground to avoid Israeli spies, or even being attacked.

However, after an arduous process spread over several days, Asia Times Online managed to arrange an interview with Sheikh Bilal. Bilal, who wears a white turban and a black robe, is a close aide of Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah and in charge of a region in south Lebanon.

He is also an ideologue of Hezbollah, having been educated in the Iranian city of Qom and then sent by the Iranian leader ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini back to Lebanon to "guide" Hezbollah.

Bilal comes from the Dahieh district of Beirut, but constant bombing of the area forced him to leave his home. He agreed to meet this correspondent on condition that no hint of the location would be given.

Sporting a small white beard, Bilal sat in front of a picture of Nasrallah, but refused to have his own picture taken.

Asia Times Online: How do you view the Israeli plans? Will they be able to push into south Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah's arms?

Bilal: Israel is the fourth-strongest power in the world. The Americans, British and even Arab countries support its designs, but I tell you, despite all of this, the whole war is in our hands, not in the hands of Israel. We are pulling the strings of this war, not the Israeli war machine. It is because Allah is with us.

Even though they [Israelis] are very powerful, they believe in a tangible life in which they eat, sleep and entertain, and then die. We believe in eternal life, which starts from our apparent death [Bilal then quoted a long phrase from Nahjul Balagha (The Peak of Eloquence) - a collection of sermons, precepts, prayers, epistles and aphorisms of Imam Ali to support his statement.]

ATol: But still, you are an organization. Israel is a state. There is surely no match?

Bilal: But the question is, who has better control over the battlefield? I accept Hezbollah is not a conventional army. We are just hit-and-run guerrillas. Israel is trying to get into Lebanon with its 30,000 men equipped with the best war equipment. Has it achieved anything? No. Its achievement is zero because it has failed to inflict any serious losses on Hezbollah. I swear to you, Israel has only one edge on us, and that is its air force.

Were the air force removed from over our heads, we would go deep inside Israel and liberate Palestine. The whole Israeli activity is a brutal bombardment of civilians and on the infrastructure. But when they finish with their spray of guns and expect a free walkway into south Lebanon and go for a military push, we will catch them in the middle and force them to retreat. In about a month of war they have not even established exactly where we are based and how and from where we confront them.

ATol: There was a time when Palestine was a matter of honor for Arab nations. They fought many wars against Israel, but now when Hezbollah confronts Israel, why do Arab countries criticize Hezbollah?

Bilal: They are scared that any appreciation or encouragement of Hezbollah would encourage other resistance movements in their own country and ultimately the present rulers would lose their governments and Islamic movements would take over control. For instance, Egypt and Jordan are fearful of Iqwanul Muslemeen [Muslim Brotherhood]. The Muslim Brotherhood tried to take to the streets in Egypt in favor of Hezbollah, but the Egyptian government suppressed them with force. This is the situation of this whole region.

ATol: Hezbollah and the Brotherhood are very close. What is the secret of their closeness, despite Hezbollah being Shi'ite and the Brotherhood predominately Sunni?

Bilal: Yes, this is true that we are close and we both work for the Islamic cause beyond any sectarian differences. But let me tell you that does not mean that we like takfiris [those militantly intolerant of "infidels"] like al-Qaeda. We hate them because they kill innocent people and destroy sacred places.

ATol: Hamas and Islamic Jihad also believe in Salafi Islam, like al-Qaeda. Yet Hezbollah is close with them.

Bilal: We have one thing in common, and that is Islam. And because of that we support them. And another aspect is the liberation of Palestine, which is central to all Muslims. We do not care whether they are Salafis or not. We are committed to the Palestinian cause, and for that we can go to any lengths.

You want to know what this war is all about? We understood that after the abduction of Israeli soldiers in Gaza, Israel was ready to raze Gaza. And then we came into the picture and diverted all their attention to us [by abducting Israeli soldiers]. This forced Israel to disengage from taking on the weak Palestinians and engage our forces.

ATol: Do Hezbollah's designs go beyond Lebanon?

Bilal: Hezbollah is only for Lebanon. We do not have any designs beyond Lebanon or Palestine.

* * * * *

Syed Saleem Shahzadis Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com.

VIDEO: Hassan Nasrallah speaks to the people of Lebanon

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/08/1732016.php

“If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli.”

"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."


Nice guy.

If he actually said that, it wasn't on this tape. That he said it at all is hearsay. Amal Saad-Ghorayeb says he said it. That's hearsay, and from a single source. Hearsay is never reliable evidence, especially if it's from a single source. Does anyone here have a tape of the man himself saying that? Or is this yet another misquote? Anti-Semitic statements are often attributed to the enemies of Israel, whether they actually said them or not. So this quote is highly questionable. So is any anti-Semitic statement attributed to a an enemy of Israel, especially one with only one source.

It doesn't actually make a lot of sense that Nasrullah would say something like this. It's easy to imagine a Lebanese feeling this way about Jews, since (some) Jews have mistreated them so badly, and continue to do so even as we speak. But Nasrullah is not just an ordinary Lebanese. He's a cleric. His own holy book specifically states that Jews, like Christians, are to be protected, as they worship the same god as Muslims do. How can a cleric speak in contradiction to the edicts of his own religion's holy scripture? Aren't clerics supposed to follow their own scripture?

"We see the same phenomenon in the lists of outrageous "quotes" attributed to various well-known Israelis which regularly get posted on Indymedia by hatefreaks."

Yes, and some of the most outrageous of those quotes (e.g. Rafael Eitan's remarks) are definitely on the up-and-up, but you desperate squirming apologist-rats invariably zero in on the few that ***MIGHT*** be false and pretend these debunk the whole lot.

Typical, just typical

' Nasrallah ' : "If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

If there were any _independently verifiable_ proof, the zionists would have put it all over the media.

Character assassination and falsification of words: it's what zionists do.

In addition, zionists often take arab criticism of zionists and substitute the word "Jews". (--As they often do with the president of iran's words, even though there are still 25,000 jews in iran! Why haven't _they_ been wiped out by the Iranians?) Ironically, zionists themselves call israel "the jewish state" instead of, more correctly, "the zionist state" (denoting the reigning and controlling political ideology, like south africa was an apartheid state, or germany was once a nazi state), while anti-zionist arabs (all those arabs besides the u.s. puppets) more correctly call israel "the zionist entity" (because anti-zionist arabs refuse to recognize zionist apartheid colonialist israel as a legitimate state).

Unlike Nusrallah, Father Coughlin could bad mouth Jews without violating the strictures of his holy book. That's one difference between the Bible and the Koran

So then get your hands on this edition of the Lebanon Daily Star, find the quote, scan the page, and post it here. Hey, this is no big deal for you: you're the big hot shit pro-fesh-ee-oh-nall LIBRARIAN (all bow down).

Oh, but that's not how you found this out, is it? You got this from one of your screecher-network websites and you're not telling us this. C'mon what the fuck is this, Ms Goddess of Scholarship? Show us your REAL source. What's wrong, got something to hide?

Here's that part again that you're desperately wriggling away from:

"Show us your REAL source. What's wrong, got something to hide?"

Uh no Tia, you're still wriggling. I can't go to my local library and look up where YOU discovered a citation for Nasrallah's "quote." YOU are the only resource on earth through which this can be determined. This is the third time now that I've asked you about this directly and you're still desperately slithering around the question. I really do believe you have something to hide

Tia: "I'm not your monkey. Look it up yourself."

If _you_ make an udocumented controversial assertion (like a very controversial quote) and your claim is challenged, then it's _your_ obligation to back it up and provide a URL (which should have been provided in the first place along with the quote) or verifiable PDF to a primary source. It's not the _reader's_ obligation to go on a scavenger hunt to track down the verification of _your_ controversial claims.

addendum: if you are unable or unwilling to provide the primary source documentation for a controversial claim, then the reader must assume that your claim is false.

You're engaged in _DIVERSION_, zionist, not independently verifiable, primary source documentation (like a URL) of your controversial claim.

It's not the _reader's_ job to prove your claim. it's _YOUR_ job, zionist.

And since you are unwilling to do so, the reader must assume that your very controversial claim (a rather _old_ one at that, from 2002) is another _FALSE_ zionist propaganda claim put out by the _usual_ zionist or zionized (right-wing) organizations.

End of story.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/archives.asp


Have fun.

It's not the _reader's_ job to prove your claim -- and it's not the _reader's_ job to go hunt it down. it's _YOUR_ job, zionist.

End of story.

"Service Unavailable"

re not working: "Lebanon Daily Star achives are online": "Service Unavailable".

(the zionist tries to send us on a useless hunt for _us_ to 'prove' THEIR claim.)

"...the secondary source appears to be a book by the Lebanese academic Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, "Hizbullah: Politics and Religion", published in 2001 by Pluto Press in London..."

This publication date is well in advance of the Daily Star report. Just when is Nasrallah supposed to have made the statement? When he was a 20-year-old hothead? If he said it in a fit of fury in '82 right after Sabra & Shatila, or in '94 right after Qana, it becomes more understandable. It would be just like the zionist mind-warpers, in their never-forgive-never-forget hate-fetish way, to cherry-pick this shit from 20 years ago and pretend it's current, conveniently "forgetting" to provide full context of time and place

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So what? It's not the _reader's_ job to go hunt down and prove some Zionist's highly questionable, controversial and FALSE claim! It's the LAZY, LYIN' _Zionist's_ job.

Tia (she's not fooling anyone, but why is this ZIONIST hiding -- isn't she _PROUD_ of who she is and her state of Israel, anymore?): "Interestingly enough, it was a Jewish organization that exposed the false King quote...."

It was a Jewish organization that finally _ADMITTED_ that the King quote was a _LIE_ made up by a _LEADING_ Zionist rabbi that still (unfortunately) lives today, a LYING Zionist Jewish SCOUNDREL named Rabbi Marc Schneier who lives in New York city and _still_ tries to use black people, like hiphop mogul Russell Simmons.

Or as Tim Wise further stated,

"And yet, even with my cynic's credentials established, the one thing I never expected anyone to do would be to just make up a quote from King; a quote that he simply never said, and claim that it came from a letter that he never wrote, and was published in a collection of his essays [a _BOOK_!] that never existed."

And, once again, try to shamelessly make _themselves_ the real victims! Oh, they're _good_ at that!

(re Tia: Here we go:
by exposed by CAMERA Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:31 PM)

Tia: "I'm bloody sick of being threatened. That's why I don't use my name much any more. I'm sick of being photographed, followed, harrassed and threatened. I'm _SO_ important that they're going to _ASSASSINATE_ me!"

Uh-huh...

lying zionist: "Great Quote from Dr. King
by on Israel Monday, Aug. 14, 2006 at 2:55 PM"

Israel exhibits everything that King opposed: like, white-supremacy (King said that he didn't believe in _any_ kind of ethnic supremacy), religious bigotry, oppression of non-whites, colonialism, an apartheid state, etc.

"having my car's license plate number recorded"

THERE'S A TOOL FOR FOOLS UNDER THE SEAT.

Tia: "I'm very, very low key: ha! -- jest kidding! Anyway..., I'm a shy little ZIO-PATHIC librarian type. The kind you see in horror films with lots of kidnapped Palestinian kids buried in my basement. But someone's been harrassing me. They're gonna _ASSASSINATE_ me!! -- like Gandhi or John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King! I'll be buried with an eternal flame on my grave!"

"I just LOVE JA's jock! I find myself strangely attracted to him -- all 6 foot one of his mandingo coolness! I want him to cane my naked but, while he wears a Prussian helmut and black leather jackboots, as he shouts anti-Semitic slurs to me! I want to cower naked on my knees and lick his, err..., black jackboots and work my way up to his formidable mandingo manhood! Ooo! I gotta run get my tiny sock!"

"I just LOVE JA's jock! I find myself strangely attracted to him -- all 6 foot one of his mandingo coolness! I want him to cane my naked but, while he wears a Prussian helmut and black leather jackboots, as he shouts anti-Semitic slurs to me! I want to cower naked on my knees and lick his, err..., black jackboots and work my way up to his formidable mandingo manhood! Ooo! I gotta run get my tiny sock!"

JA- I sat behind you in a lecture a while back. Looked like you were using that weird spray on hair stuff to cover your male pattern baldness. It wouldn't have been so bad, except when you were sweating, little black rivelets ran down your face and neck.

Yid can do much, much, better.

Tia Hun-nee: "It has to do with being female. The perception is I can't fight back."

Gee, my female housemates have been studying first Taekwondo, then Muay Thai kickboxing and later Filipino stick-fighting for years! They could kick anyone's ass -- especially SchtarkerYid's. And they'd give that perception in about 3 seconds. It'd be easier to whoop SchtarkerYIDIOT's ass than someone, like, oh, lets say my female housemates.

WHA'SA'MATTA Tia Hun-nee...? Can't you get any of those zionist JDL wannabees like SchtarkerYid to protect you??? Zio-pathic men don't protect their women? (Oh, I guess they did just get their asses whipped in south Lebanon. Not even the American military lost *28* men in ONE day in Iraq!; with another *38* wounded!)

Yiddumbo: "Are all anti-zionists perverted? Its a regular pattern and its very revealing."

ha ha ha ha ha This from a loon who's increasingly been resorting to intimidation, stalker talk, threats, etc.

Hey JA and roadster: yer hittin just the right note. I'm rolling on the floor over here!

SchtarkerYid: "I sat behind you in a lecture a while back. Btw, who are those attractive women I always see you with at cafes and restaurants? You know..., I've never even _kissed_ a girl before -- they don't like me -- and to tell you the truth I really like little boys. But I still know how to PLEASE a big bad mandingo like you! I bet you're some cool -- cool like Nasrallah -- BAD-ASS _Hezbollah_ mandingo! (Did you see the TV news videos? Nasrallah sent our IDF boys trudging back to Israel, looking over their shoulders all the way. He's so BAAAD too!) Oooo, I gotta run and get my tiny little sock again!!"

Editors! I'm gonna call my MOMMY if you don't make them stop. I can TRY TO dish it out, but I CAN'T TAKE IT!

TW: "Hey JA and roadster: yer hittin just the right note. I'm rolling on the floor over here!"

WHA'SA'MATTA TIA HUN-NEE: "Not even the American military lost *28* men in ONE day in Iraq!; with another *38* wounded!)"

HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA....!!

North Israel and South Israel to _finally_ re-unify! -- for the time being. South Israelis declare that fish and company from North Israel both start to smell after 30 days.

Dr. Martin Luther King once said "When they say Zionists, you know they really mean Jews". The local jihadis here are so dense, they don't even make that pretense. They made a sign "Kill Jews"- and kept it up until the police came and yelled at them.
And only in San Francisco do they bring cans of gasoline to a peace rally. They caught and arrested the guy, though.
Check out the twits in the Hummer waving a Palestinian flag out the window- ha! No blood for THEIR oil.

Yidiot: "The current round ended in a tie."

When a highly disciplined group of guerrilla fighters brings the only regional superpower and the 4th most powerful army in the world -- and the most powerful army from Morroco to Pakistan -- to a crawl, if not nearly a dead stop, inflicting dozens, if not scores, of casualties almost every day, destroying tanks, military vessels, armored vehicles and even helicopter gunships, and rain UNSTOPPABLE and UNFINDABLE rockets down on its cities/towns, with all that superpower's advanced drones and other aerial (and U.S. satellite access) surveillance technology, then that's a strategic historic victory.

As Hassan Nasrallah said, the Israeli army used to measure its geographical advance in up to 100 kilometers per hour, and now it can barely measure it in a few hundred meters per day. Haha!

ALL HAIL THE *VAUNTED* ISRAELI MILITARY!!

Despite the war, over 4,000 new immigrants from all over the world will have arrived in Israel from the beginning of July until the end of August, the Jewish Agency announced late Monday.

Almost 550 new immigrants to arrive on Wednesday morning, on three special Nefesh B'Nefesh/Jewish Agency El-Al Flights, which will land simultaneously from New York, Toronto and London. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Jewish Agency Chairman, Ze'ev Bielski will greet the new arrivals.

According to Jewish Agency estimates, 24,000 people from countries around the world will immigrate to Israel in the course of 2006, up from the 22,657 people who made aliyah in 2005.

During the summer months, six EL AL flights will land in Israel carrying 1,500 new immigrants from North America. By the end of the year, it is estimated that there will be a total of 3,400 new immigrants from North America, up from 2,987 in 2005.

In parallel, two special ISRAIR flights - from Paris and Marseille - landed in Israel on July 25 bringing 650 new immigrants from France. This is the first time in decades that such a large number of new immigrants from France have landed in one day. The expectation is that there will be 3,500 new immigrants from France this year, as opposed to 3005 in 2005.

For the first time, there will be a special EL AL flight this summer from Great Britain bringing 150 new immigrants. Since the beginning of the year, there has been a marked rise in immigration from Great Britain.

By the end of July, the number of new immigrants from Britain was 328, up from 215 over the same period last year. By the end of the year 2006, 500 new immigrants are expected to have arrived from Britain.

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Yo JA! Props for relaying such a shocking and awing news item!! Now we'll have to contend with that much more Zio screamers!!!

As you can probably tell, I did not post this "4,000 olim arrived during war" piece of zionist trash, hacked and pasted from here:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525876991&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Incredibly, it appears to be addressed to JA **as published**. This is extremely interesting. It would seem CT actually writes for his favorite shitrag and slipped up by including this tag. This fits well with his past fierce defenses of this paper's yellow journalism

It's very gratifying to see CunT becoming so desperate in his forgeries of me. I must REALLY threaten him.

Oh, but starfishgirl already overturned this one, Tia, and you know it, nasty liar. You're just a cultural harridan man-hater with YOUR OWN motives for superimposing this on me, that's all

You see victimization of women by men everywhere you look. You're a sack-whacker right out of the Gloria Steinem / Betty Friedan / Jewish 'Queen-of-the-Castle' mold.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/07/166993_comment.php#167637
quote: "women could not ensure access to their own food supply, and were [at] the mercy of the men."
This is you willfully looking at things through your sack-whacker lens. I explain why in the next post

"You see victimization of women by men everywhere you look."

I do indeed. One in seven women are the victim of sexual assault by age 18. There is still inequality everwhere. The curtailment of our right to reproductive freedom that is happening now in this country is yet another example.

However, it does not follow that I hate "men"
I don't hate men. I don't even hate you.
I will let no one degrade my soul enough that I hate them. Why would I write off half the human race?

This says it all:

Me: "You see victimization of women by men everywhere you look."

Tia: "I do indeed."

Tia: "One in seven women are the victim of sexual assault by age 18."

Lots of boys get sexually molested too. I bet the percentages are roughly equal. You ball-whackers just haven't made compiling stats on this your life work, that's all. Also men are more loath to talk about it

"There is still inequality everwhere."

Oh please! Yeah if you insist on zeroing in on incremental issues and blowing them into epic crimes. This is your neurotic self-VIGGkaTIMMology kicking in again. Western women in aggregate enjoy fantastic privileges, right alongside the men most of them are joined at the hip with. But this still isn't enough for you. There's no such thing as enough. It's about resentment, not equality

It's all perfectly consistent: you're as willfully blind to your bigotry toward men as you are to your bigotry toward Arabs

re.: [source
by CAMERA Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2006 at 2:28 PM:

"It was cut and pasted from the very CAMERA (a right-wing zionist organization) article that finally ADMITTED the OTHER false King quotes."]


like I said before, no primary source: the post was obvious copied and pasted from a (anecdotal and dubious) zionist article -- and one i'm sure from a zionist source.

is a zionist front organization and a well-known major consituent organization of the Israel Lobby.

"CAMERA, a pro-Israel propaganda agency"

--Jeffrey Blankfort

http://student.cs.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles/article0019749.html

re: another anti-zionist sleight of hand Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2006 at 3:42 PM

yet another zionist fraud: "try this: _60_ HIZBULLAH KILLED and _70_ WOUNDED in 1 day by IDF!!"

_28_ IDF KILLED and _37_ WOUNDED in 1 day by Hezbollah!!

"Evidently you weren't following the Jerusalem post reports on a daily basis throughout."

but i got this from the same paper: "_28_ IDF KILLED and _37_ WOUNDED ON SATURDAY"

"to portray the latest round of hostilities ilitarily as a Hizbullah victory although in military terms it was a tie."

When a regional superpower is brought to nearly a dead stop and is taking often high casualties every day, losing fully-armed soldiers, and the latest tanks, boats and helicopters, then that's a victory! -- politically and militarily -- for the guerrillas.


"The reason for this is Israel's inability to preempt the rocket/missile launchings and the anti-tank missile scourge that haunted its armor forces."

AWWWW... That's tooow baaa-aaad...

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!!

"To the
by _Islamofascist_: An ad hominim isn't a rebuttal."

"The regional superpower in question ws not brought to nearly a dead stop. Rather, its leader is a weak individual who's afraid to defy the UNSCR to do what's in the best interest of his country."

AWWWW... That's tooow baaa-aaad... A wwweeeak zionist leader... HAHAHA...HAHAHA


"Every ilitary on Earth..."

excuses, excuses, excuses...


"and lost only one helicopter by enemy fire"

Lost _several_.

"Crashed" was the israeli euphemism for the other losses. Yeah, they _"CRRRASHED"_ after Hezbollah shot them down -- blew them tha fuck right outta the sky!

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!

Oh, those zionists are just toooo much!


"Hasan Nasrallah hasn't made a victory speech in full body gesture mode!! He seems like a formerly cheeky child who was spanked badly by his father!!!"

Uh-huh... Whatever helps you sleep at night now...

HAHAHA...HAHAHA!!

Now go lick your 'wounds'.

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!

(Damn! That Nasrallah is as cool as a cucumber, isn't he? Just as calm as you please, while Olmert was looking all dour and worrisome and haggard.)

Can't seem to sleep anymore, huh?

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!!

Nasrallah told the TV audience that Hezbollah was about to attack an Israeli military ship off the coast of Lebanon, and then before the confused Israelis could figure out what was about to happen, the ship was hit -- KABBBOOOOMMM...!!! -- and then Nasrallah boasted...

"Look out over the water! Look at the Israeli military ship on the horizon! Look at it BURRRRNNN...!! Look at it *BURRRRNNN*...!!!"

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!!

The American military TV consultant-commentators said that the ship was probably in a wave trough and the missile hit the ship on top. The military TV commentators said that if the ship was level or at a wave crest, the Nasrallah missile probably would have hit it in the stern and the explosion would have extended below the water line, causing the ship to sink. As it was, the Israeli navy had to ignominiously tow the disabled and largely destroyed ship back to Israel like a DEAD DUCK!

Gotta hope the wind blows out from shore, though! Don't wanna smell those IDF zioNazi pieces a shit burnin up! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!

YYYEAH-AH!!

Only the evil rejoice in the death of their enemies.
So I guess we can count JA and TW as evil, along with Nasrallah.

YOU *KNOW* THAT WAS *FFFUNN-NEEE*!!

(I see you about to *LA-AUGH*...!! I see the corners of your lips turning up...! C'mon! You can't keep holding it in, now can you! Look..., you're holding your breath...! Go ahead: have a good *LAUGH*...!! I won't tell Yidiot and the other zio-Nazis! It *WAS* FFFUNN-NEEE wasn't it?)

Me: "You see victimization of women by men everywhere you look."

Tia: "I do indeed."

Tia: "One in seven women are the victim of sexual assault by age 18."

Lots of boys get sexually molested too. I bet the percentages are roughly equal. You ball-whackers just haven't made compiling stats on this your life work, that's all. Also men are more loath to talk about it

Perhaps. We should ask Nessie. There are organizations that actually promote sexual abuse of boys- like NAMBLA. The store Nessie works in is one of the few distributors of NAMBLA material in SF. Apparently, they find it less offensive than Zionist material. I've seen the statistic that girls make up 58% of victims of childhood sexual abuse.

But for people over 18, the "equality " shifts dramatically.
Up to 31 % of all women are physically abused by a husband or lover
1 in 6 women has experienced a rape or an attempted rape


It's all perfectly consistent: you're as willfully blind to your bigotry toward men as you are to your bigotry toward Arabs

I've never said anything bigotted towards Arabs. Show me a url (in spite of your denials, its clear you are keeping track of our dialog, like a good like fascist.)

Its a lot scarier being a woman alone in our society than a man.

trying trying to change the subject with yet another ad hominem. It didn't work then. It still doesn't work. If they were as smart as they think they are, they'd have tried something new by now.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -- Einstein

RE zionist: by standards Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006 at 9:19 AM.

it's not the _reader's_ job to try to hunt down and prove your dubious assertions.

when challenged, it's _YOUR'S_.

if you can't post the documentation (incl., URL), then that's _YOUR_ problem.

end of story.

"do your own work."

David Gehrig. @%<

zionist WACKJOB: "The IDF SMMMMMMOKKKKKED 60 Hizbullah genocide practitioners in one day!!!"

I heard that the IDF bragged that it was *60,000*!!

HAHAHA...HAHAHA...!!!

unarmed civilians and inanimate objects. But when the have to face Hizbullah fighters f2f, they get their butts kicked again and again.

Just too smart to give up the distinct advantage of anonymity while out gathering intelligence.

Still using body counts to score war, eh? Perhaps you never heard of Viet Nam. It's about who wins the war, not how many lives it costs. Hizbullah fighters have fought the IDF to standstill. They're still standing. They still have plenty of fight left in them. And, most important, only the Anglo-American-Israeli Axis and its running dog lackeys fail to consider them winners. The rest of the world disagrees.

This war was not for land. It was for hearts and minds. Hizbullah won hands down. To most of the world, they're heroes. They made Israel a laughingstock. Israel has failed at every one of its original war goals. They didn't get the captives back, they didn't stop the rockets, and they sure as hell didn't smash Hizbullah. Au contrair. They displayed their impotence to all the world. Hizbullah has grown in stature, while Israel shrank.

And who did this to Israel? A mighty army? A nation state? Not even. It was a citizen militia, ordinary people who got tired of being pushed around by their neighborhood bully, got organized and resisted. They did themselves. Any ordinary people who have sufficient will and are well enough organized can do the same. Bullies of the world, beware. Hizbullah has shown all oppressed people the way. It is a lesson that will be taken to heart in more than south Lebanon. They days of state bullies are numbered, and not just in the Middle East.

All power to the citizens' militias. Death to all oppressors.

Ziopath: " '60' dead Hizbullah against 24 -- uh, *28* -- dead (and *37* wounded) IDF in *1* day -- INCLUDING THE 2 IDF _*SSSQUOOOOSHED*_ LIKE A COUPLE O' _COCKROACHES_ BY OUR OWN TANKS!!" The 2 _*SSSQUOOOOSHED*_ IDF soldiers had to be _*SQEEEGEED*_ into body bags!!

OH...!!! THAT WAS A *GUT-BUSTER* IN MORE WAYS THAT *ONE*!!!

OHHH...!!! HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA...!!!


Wait a minute! ...Is *THAT* supposed to happen to the (wink, wink..., ahem, ahem...) 'VAUNTED' Israeli military???

ROTFLMGDFAO...!!!!!!

by stuck in the past, Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006 at 1:30 PM.

HEAR, HEAR!! -- on the text!

antizio psychopath (note how he's altered my comment in typical fraudulent behavior):

"Ziopath: " '60' dead Hizbullah against 24 -- uh, *28* -- dead (and *37* wounded) IDF in *1* day -- INCLUDING THE 2 IDF _*SSSQUOOOOSHED*_ LIKE A COUPLE O' _COCKROACHES_ BY OUR OWN TANKS!!" The 2 _*SSSQUOOOOSHED*_ IDF soldiers had to be _*SQEEEGEED*_ into body bags!!

OH...!!! THAT WAS A *GUT-BUSTER* IN MORE WAYS THAT *ONE*!!!

...Is *THAT* supposed to happen to the (wink, wink..., ahem, ahem...) 'VAUNTED' Israeli military??? "


- I forgot! A charismatic Islamofascist leader who no longer has the confidence to make rousing addresses brimming and body gesturing, at least a thousand wounded Hizbullah men, at least 400 dead Hizbullah men, 9 killed just this week AFTER the ceasefire went into effect with no IDF casualties AS OPPOSED to the lowest rate of friendly fire among Western military forces battling Islamofascist thugs.

...Is *THAT* supposed to happen to the (wink, wink..., ahem, ahem...) 'VAUNTED' Hizbullah militia???

OHHH...!!! HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA...!!!

ROTFLMGDFAO...!!!!!!

- I forgot! A charismatic Islamofascist leader who no longer has the confidence to make rousing addresses brimming and body gesturing, at least a _100,000_ wounded Hizbullah men, at least _40,000_ dead Hizbullah men, _9,000_ killed just this week AFTER the ceasefire went into effect with no IDF casualties AS OPPOSED to the lowest rate of friendly fire among Western military forces battling Islamofascist thugs.

--Israeli Propaganda Ministry

even if Hezbollah had lost their "Tet Offensive," they still would have wonthe war. But they won their "Tet Offensive," and now they are winning the peace. Israel did them a favor by attacking Lebanon.

ISRAEL'S STATED OBJECTIVES:


1. the _ORIGINAL_ stated objective: get back their two soldiers from Hezbollah (captured in Lebanese territory at that) through military action.

ISRAEL LOST


2. alienate Hezbollah from other Lebanese.

ISRAEL LOST


3. by targeting and bombing Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, to get the Lebanese to force Hezbollah to give up.

ISRAEL LOST


(by the way, I thought that Israel, the U.S., the West said that the targeting of civilians or civilian infrastructure for the purpose of forcing a politcal goal is defined as "terrorism".)


4. destroy Hezbollah's weapons.

ISRAEL LOST


(some of Hezbollah's largest retaliatory rocket barrages were on the last days of the war and Hezbollah stood fast in combat against the IDF, inflicting serious casualties and even tank losses, 'till the end/cease-fire.)


5. defeat and destroy Hezbollah.

ISRAEL LOST


6. push and occupy Lebanon to the Litani River (no doubt in an attempt to then annex all of south Lebanon as part of Israel, like Israel has with the Golan heights).

ISRAEL LOST


7. increase/sustain its vaunted military credibility (to intimidate others) in the region

ISRAEL LOST


(Now the region, and the world, knows that Israel is only good at attacking defenseless women and children, stone-throwing boys, and fairly unarmed Palestinian men.)


8. have the people of the world on their side.

ISRAEL LOST -- BIG TIME!


Israel met _NONE_ of its military objectives in its war on Lebanon.

Was Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion?

WORSE.


And it still doesn't have its 2 captured soldiers back.

1. the _ORIGINAL_ stated objective: get back their two soldiers from Hezbollah through military action.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE.

"[The] two [Israeli] soldiers [were] captured in Lebanese territory at that" -- A TRANSPARENT LIE. They were captured within Israel in a cross border raid.


2. alienate Hezbollah from other Lebanese.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, but this was not a stated or planned goal.


3. by targeting and bombing Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, to get the Lebanese to force Hezbollah to give up.

This is a LIE. ISRAEL DID NOT TARGET AND BOMB NON-COMBATANT LEBANESE CIVILIANS, NOR DID IT DESTROY MOST OF THE LEBANESE INFRASTRUCTURE.


4. destroy Hezbollah's weapons.

ISRAEL LOST - TRUE, Hizbollah has managed to retain most of its arsenal, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel.


5. defeat and destroy Hezbollah.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel.


6. "push and occupy Lebanon to the Litani River (no doubt in an attempt to then annex all of south Lebanon as part of Israel, like Israel has with the Golan heights). "

ISRAEL LOST -- A BOLD FACE LIE, these were never stated goals nor planned goals.


7. increase/sustain its vaunted military credibility (to intimidate others) in the region

ISRAEL LOST -- WRONG. Israel has resurrected *some* of its military detterence. Now, unlike in the pre-war situation, Hizballah at least will think a bit about the consequences before trying to conduct cross border raids into Israel or firing missiles on Israeli territory.


"(Now the region, and the world, knows that Israel is only good at attacking defenseless women and children, stone-throwing boys, and fairly unarmed Palestinian men.) "

Keep saying whatever helps you remain an apologist for arch-racist Islamofascism and genocide as you kid yourself your moral compass is in order.


8. "have the people of the world on their side. "

This was never a stated goals nor a planned goal. It was hoped to be achieved as secondery or concurrent gain as the skirmishes raged.


"Was Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion? "

WORSE -- this is probably true.

Expect an upcoming political earthquake in Israel in the next months. Don't be astounded if Olmert, defense minister Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz are forced out of office.

By TRISH SCHUH

A team of Israeli lawyers is now suing the Lebanese government for starting the war. The case, to be filed in US civil court, will sue for compensation and damages incurred by Israeli residents and businesses as a result of the war. Attorneys Yehudah Talmon, Yoram Dantziger and Nitzah Libai claim the Lebanese government violated international law because it didn't stop Hezbollah's casus belli cross-border raid against Israel.

Israel's justification for its 'self-defense' attack on Lebanon, and the placement of the original "provocation" will take on new legal significance in coming months. Who infiltrated whom, and on what territory did the initial capture of the IDF soldiers occur? Differing press accounts stating that the capture occurred in Lebanon- not Israel- are now widely known: most frequently cited are AFP, Hindustan Times, Deutsch Press Agency, Asia Times, Bahrain News Agency and Voltairenet. Others reflect changes of direction in the recording of basic facts.

Newsweek's Michael Hirsh of MSNBC.com, on July 12, said: "As a result, things are blowing up so quickly it's difficult to know where to focus any longer. After the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah in Lebanon on Wednesday, which the hard-line group linked to a similar kidnapping by Hamas the week before, the mideast seemed to be closer to all-out war."

By July 13, the story out of MSNBC.com's Jerusalem bureau was different. In a piece titled "Crisis allows Israel to pursue strategic goals- Kidnappings give Israel excuse to neutralize Hamas, Hezbollah", Jerusalem bureau chief Steven Gutkin wrote: "Kidnappings changed everything: All that changed Wednesday, when Hezbollah guerillas crossed into Israel, seizing Goldwasser and Regev and killing eight other soldiers in the ensuing fighting."

AP also ran changed versions. On July 12, at 5:41AM Joseph Panossian wrote: "The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them."

At 7:09 AM, Panossian had altered his report: "The Hezbollah militant group captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes along the Lebanese border on Wednesday."

By late afternoon, at 4:13 PM, AP's Panossian had completely shifted location: "Hezbollah militants crossed into Israel on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel responded in southern Lebanon with warplanes, tanks and gunboats, and said eight of its soldiers had been killed in the violence."

Israeli sources went almost unnoticed. Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com) of July 12 said: "The abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah militants in southern Lebanon was not a terrorist attack but an act of war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Wednesday."

Australia's ABC News (Reuters) on July 13 quoted the IDF: "The sources say the Israeli soldiers had been seized at around 9am local time across the border from Aita al Shaab, some 15 kilometers from the Mediterranean coast. The Israeli army confirmed that two Israeli soldiers had been captured on the Lebanese frontier. Israeli ground forces crossed into Lebanon to hunt for the missing soldiers, Israeli Army Radio said."

Voice of America, Jerusalem, on July 12 said: "Speaking to reporters outside the Israeli Foreign Ministry, spokesman Mark Regev says Hezbollah is responsible for the violence. "It appears we have an escalation in the North," he said. "It is very clear that the escalation started on the Lebanese side of the border, and Israel will respond appropriately."

In his article "Casus Belli", IDF Brigadier General Moshe Yaalon wrote: "The present crisis was initiated- in Gaza by Hamas and in southern Lebanon by Hezbollah- from lands that are not under Israeli occupation." New Republic, July 31.

A quote by Hamas political bureau member Mohammad Nazzal in the July 13 edition of Haaretz said: "This is a heroic operation carried out against military targets and so it is a legitimate operation, especially as it took place in occupied Lebanese territory."

A Lebanese government official told this writer that the first information about the soldiers' capture in southern Lebanon came from the Lebanese Army Police, a source also quoted in many media accounts. "At the beginning the Lebanese Army said it was on the Lebanese side," the official told me. The verbatim Army communique' to the Lebanese government follows: " 'At 9:03 or 9:05am in the vicinity or in front of Ayt Al Shaab village the members of the resistance have abducted two soldiers. At 9:15am the resistance shelled the position of the enemy in the occupied territories. At 10:10am the Resistance and Israeli forces clashed with each other in the area of Naqoura,' on Lebanon's side of the border."

Lebanon's Ambassador to the US, Farid Abboud discussed the events publicly on July 12, 2006. Because of his stance to CNN Abboud was reprimanded, and recalled to Lebanon._

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN International: "You say that you don't want any escalations, but ...

FARID ABBOUD: No, we don't.

HOLMES: ... but crossing over the border into Israel, killing and--seizing soldiers, what did you think would happen?

ABBOUD: I'm not sure where the location of the attack took place. I understand that there was another battle, also, where during which the Israelis crossed Lebanese soil and that the casualties that fell then were inside Lebanon territory ... We do not want any escalation, and I don't think we have ever attacked Israel. I mean, Israel has always occupied our territory, and we have always defended ourselves. Our position has always been very reactive, defensive.

This writer then spoke to the chief of the Lebanese Defense Cabinet General Edmond Fadel in Beirut for clarification. He said he was not authorized to speak on Hezbollah's position.

Hezbollah's position had been cited in the Jerusalem Post of July 12 : "Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said the timing of the capture of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon on Wednesday would boost the position of Palestinians in Gaza."

It was a view Hezbollah spokesman Ibrahim Mousawi had reiterated to me on July 16 by phone. He insisted that the crisis occurred on the Lebanese side of the border "in front of the village of Ayt Al Shaab" adjacent to a military post.

On August 2, I discussed the kidnapping issue again with Hezbollah's Mousawi in Beirut.

Q: We spoke earlier on July 16, 2006 about this issue and I would like to make it official. The Lebanese Army has claimed that the Israeli soldiers captured on July 12, 2006 were captured in Lebanon, not Israel as we hear in the US. Were they caught inside Israel or Lebanon?

MOUSAWI: How can you possibly say Israel? This is an occupied land, occupied Palestine.

Q: Alright. Was it in occupied Palestine or Lebanon?

MOUSAWI: It was in Lebanon, on the border.

Q: On the border- What town? Where was it near?

MOUSAWI: There is no town. It was a military post.

Q: Did Hezbollah cross over into Israel?

MOUSAWI: This has never been claimed by Hezbollah- only on the border. And don't say Israel- its occupied Palestine.

Q: The IDF soldiers in the tank who hit the mine and were killed?

MOUSAWI: It was all in the Lebanese lands when they wanted to penetrate- to go after the resistance.... No one believes anymore that this is about the two soldiers, not with the destruction of the infrastructure. Besides, Hezbollah got information that this Israeli aggression was scheduled to take place this September or October...

According to Attorney Yehudah Talmon, Israelis will also sue to collect money from Lebanese assets and property in the United States. "No group associated in any way, shape or form to Hizbullah is immune to these claims." Never mind if the claims are based on shifting boundaries.

Trish Schuh wrote on the coming Hezbollah-IDF border crisis in Counterpunch's "Faking the Case Against Syria" in November, 2005. She was a co-founder of Military Families Support Network and is a member of Military Reporters & Editors covering the middle east.

Trish Schuh writes about Middle East politics. She can be reached at: hsvariety@yahoo.com

zionist broken record: "A charismatic Islamofascist leader who no longer has the confidence to make rousing addresses blah blah blah yada yada yada..."

Keep repeating it! Whatever helps you sleep at night, bucko.

Nasrallah is still standing proudly: the incompetents Olmert, Halutz and Peretz may not be, for long.


(Hezbollah 'insurance agents' are even combing Lebanese cities, towns and villages -- Johnny-on-the-spot, the very next day -- and setting up offices, passing out money, like Allstate! Hezbollah is cool! i'm gonna get me a Hezbollah flag and picture of Nasrallah for my office!)

Cool! If the trial's in Israel, though, a "guilty" verdict is guaranteed, regardless -- truth and justice will go hang, just like in the Iman al-Hams case. It should go before the World Court. The zionists will of course do the berserk baboon thing over this -- they despise international jurisprudence because they despise fairness. If it's not monomaniacally partial to Israel, it's not "fair." If the trial IS in Israel, the Lebanese should just ignore it on jurisdictional grounds. That's what Israel would do.

Newsweek's Michael Hirsh: "As a result, things are blowing up so quickly it's difficult to know where to focus any longer"

Yup, this is one of the primary functions of our lovely berserk-monster propaganda industry: bury our brains under so much blaring noise and incoherency that we can't think. So we replace thought with Big Lies that we recite like shuffling drooling zombies. It's so much EASIER than actually _thinking_ which is, yew knyow, sew *Sixties* dahling (*sniff*, ehhhuuww-ah) in any case. The American public is just slave livestock. Thinking isn't their job.

Cool! If the trial's in Israel, though, a just verdict is guaranteed, regardless -- truth and justice will prevail, just like in the Iman al-Hams case which was part hostile act, part PR setup for Israel by Palestinian terrorists. It should never go before the World Court. The anti-zionists will of course do the berserk baboon thing over this -- they despise Israeli jurisprudence because they despise fairness. If it's not monomaniacally partial against Israel, it's not "fair." If the trial IS in the Hague, the Israelis should just ignore it on jurisdictional grounds. That's what Lebanon would do.

Newsweek's Michael Hirsh: "As a result, things are blowing up so quickly it's difficult to know where to focus any longer"

Yup, this is one of the primary functions of our lovely berserk-monster propaganda industry: bury our brains under so much blaring noise and incoherency that we can't think. So we replace thought with Big Lies that we recite like shuffling drooling zombies. It's so much EASIER than actually _thinking_ which is, yew knyow, sew *Sixties* dahling (*sniff*, ehhhuuww-ah) in any case. The American public is just slave livestock. Thinking isn't their job.

"...: the incompetents Olmert, Halutz and Peretz may not be, for long. "

My point EXACTLY! They'll be gone sooner or later because they're rotten incompetents. The inexperienced Peretz never should have taken the security portfolio,- he should've taken an economic ministry but he chose to betray his social justice principles.
Olmert doesn't have the guts to resist US pressure urging restraint and ceasefires.
Halutz didn't prepare the military adequately though he's not the sole culprit.


"Hezbollah 'insurance agents' are even combing Lebanese cities, towns and villages -- Johnny-on-the-spot, the very next day -- and setting up offices, passing out money, like Allstate! Hezbollah is cool! i'm gonna get me a Hezbollah flag and picture of Nasrallah for my office!"

Juvie boy, you've misread the significance of all this. What this means is Hizbullah has realized it has a problem because it effectively brought ruin on so much of S. Lebanon by making its aggressive move to begin with, so it's trying to improve its image among all the southern Lebanese who aren't Hizbullah fans. You're too busy skimming the surfice to find the deep hidden meaning.

A charismatic Islamofascist leader who no longer has the confidence to make rousing addresses brimming and body gesturing, at least 1000 wounded Hizbullah men, at least 400 dead Hizbullah men, 9 killed just this week AFTER the ceasefire went into effect with no IDF casualties AS OPPOSED to the lowest rate of friendly fire among Western military forces battling Islamofascist thugs.

By the "Israeli Propaganda Ministry"?! Naw, this the TRUTH. Boo hoo to forging anti-Zionist genocide enthusiasts who can't handle the truth!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

-- [ READ IT AN WEEP, ZIONISTS. ] --


"Why Israel lost": a not so objective and truthful analysis
by some remarks Thursday, Aug. 17, 2006 at 10:15 AM:


1. the _ORIGINAL_ stated objective: get back their two soldiers from Hezbollah through military action.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE.

"[The] two [Israeli] soldiers [were] captured in Lebanese territory at that" -- A TRANSPARENT LIE. They were captured within Israel in a cross border raid.


-- [ SORRY BUCKO. *WRRRONNNG*.

SEE: www.counterpunch.org/schuh08152006.html

NOT THAT IT MATTERS BECAUSE AS LONG AS ISRAEL MILITARILY OCCUPIES PART OF LEBANON AND STILL ITSELF HOLDS MANY KIDNAPPED/CAPTURED LEBANESE, HEZBOLLAH HAS A PERFECT RIGHT TO CARRY OUT MILITARY OPERATIONS AGAINST ISRAELI TROOPS TO FREE THEIR LAND AND PEOPLE. INT'L LAW SAYS SO. ] --



2. alienate Hezbollah from other Lebanese.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, but this was not a stated or planned goal.


-- [ SURE IT WAS. I GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, WATCH TV NEWS REPORTS, OR READ THE JERUSALEM POST. ] --



3. by targeting and bombing Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, to get the Lebanese to force Hezbollah to give up.

This is a LIE. ISRAEL DID NOT TARGET AND BOMB NON-COMBATANT LEBANESE CIVILIANS, NOR DID IT DESTROY MOST OF THE LEBANESE INFRASTRUCTURE.


-- [ UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU, THAT'S NOT WHAT HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH SAID -- NOT THAT I WOULD EXPECT YOU/ZIONISTS TO READ HUMAN RIGHTS REPORTS. ] --



4. destroy Hezbollah's weapons.

ISRAEL LOST - TRUE, Hizbollah has managed to retain most of its arsenal, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel.


-- [ SURE IT WAS. I GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, WATCH TV NEWS REPORTS, OR READ THE JERUSALEM POST. ] --



5. defeat and destroy Hezbollah.

ISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel.


-- [ SURE IT WAS. I GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, WATCH TV NEWS REPORTS, OR READ THE JERUSALEM POST. ] --


6. "push and occupy Lebanon to the Litani River (no doubt in an attempt to then annex all of south Lebanon as part of Israel, like Israel has with the Golan heights). "

ISRAEL LOST -- A BOLD FACE LIE, these were never stated goals nor planned goals.


-- [ SURE IT WAS. I GUESS YOU DIDN'T GET THE MEMO, WATCH TV NEWS REPORTS, OR READ THE JERUSALEM POST.

SUDDENLY, NONE OF THESE _FAILED_ CLAIMS WERE PLANNED GOALS. ] --



7. increase/sustain its vaunted military credibility (to intimidate others) in the region

ISRAEL LOST -- WRONG. Israel has resurrected *some* of its military detterence. Now, unlike in the pre-war situation, Hizballah at least will think a bit about the consequences before trying to conduct cross border raids into Israel or firing missiles on Israeli territory.


-- [ THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT A JUST-RECENT U.S. MILITARY REPORT SAID IN ITS ANALYSIS OF THE ISRAELI MILITARY IN THIS MILITARY DEBACLE FOR ISRAEL, LET ALONE WHAT THE ISRAELI PRESS SAYS. ] --

-- [ AND ACTUALLY, EVERYONE BUT SELF-DELUDED ZIONISTS KNOWS AND SAYS THAT ISRAEL'S DEBACLE WILL INDEED _EMBOLDEN_ OTHER ANTI-ZIONIST FORCES IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO TAKE ISRAEL ON. JUST READ ALL THE WORLD'S NEWSPAPERS AND NEWSMAGAZINES. ] --



"(Now the region, and the world, knows that Israel is only good at attacking defenseless women and children, stone-throwing boys, and fairly unarmed Palestinian men.) "

Keep saying whatever helps you remain an apologist for arch-racist Islamofascism and genocide as you kid yourself your moral compass is in order.


-- [ AGAIN, I MERELY REFER YOU TO THAT RECENT REPORT BY HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH -- YOU KNOW, THAT WELL-KNOWN ARCH-RACIST ISLAMOFASCIST HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATION.

OR I COULD ALSO REFER YOU TO WORLD PUBLIC MORAL OPINION.

BUT I GUESS WHEN IT COMES TO OPPOSING ISRAEL'S GROSS HUMAN RIGHTS OFFENSES, THE WHOLE WORLD IS ISLAMOFASCIST, ISN'T IT. ] --



8. "have the people of the world on their side. "

This was never a stated goals nor a planned goal. It was hoped to be achieved as secondery or concurrent gain as the skirmishes raged.


-- [ I GUESS THAT'S WHY ISRAEL SPENDS SO MUCH TIME ON ZIONIST AND ISRAELI GOVERNMENT PUBLIC RELATIONS AND MORAL DAMAGE CONTROL.

I GUESS THAT'S WHY TZIPI LIVNI (ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTER) HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE AMERICAN MEDIA TRYING TO TELL US ALL TO BELIEVE WHAT SHE SAYS -- AND _NOT_ WHAT WE SAW!

I GUESS THAT'S WHY OLE TZIPI WAS EVEN _SHIFTING_ AND _SQUIRMING_ EVEN UNDER FRIENDLY QUESTIONING ON MAINSTREAM AMERICAN MEDIA -- LIKE THE CHARLIE ROSE SHOW LAST NIGHT. ROSE HIMSELF COULDN'T EVEN _COMPLETELY_ ROLL OVER ON THE FRIENDLY QUESTIONING.

ALTHOUGH EVEN SHE HAD TO ADMIT ON THE CHARLIE ROSE SHOW THAT THE ISRAELI INVASION WAS A DEBACLE: SHE _NOW_ SAYS THAT SHE _OPPOSED_ THE INVASION ALL ALONG.

(I'M SURE WE'LL BE HEARING _MORE_ OF THOSE KIND OF POST-WAR _CLAIMS_ FROM THE ZIONIST RATS ON THE ISRAELI MORALLY-SINKING SHIP.)

AND CHARLIE ROSE SAID, "DOESN'T THAT PUT YOU AT _ODDS_ WITH YOUR PRIME MINISTER OR HIS CABINET?" ] --



"Was Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion? "

WORSE -- this is probably true.

Expect an upcoming political earthquake in Israel in the next months. Don't be astounded if Olmert, defense minister Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz are forced out of office.

-- [ THAT'S WHAT I TOLD OLE "Wait a second" (post) ZIONIST BROKEN RECORD, BELOW. ] --


-- [ THIS WAR WILL HAVE BEEN ISRAEL'S GREATEST TURNING POINT, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD WILL _NEVER_ LOOK AT ISRAEL IN THE SAME WAY AGAIN.

THE HUBRIS AND ARROGANCE OF _DECADES_ HAS FINALLY CAUGHT UP TO THE ZIONIST STATE, AT LAST, IN ITS RACIST, CUMULATIVE, MORAL DEPRAVITY. ] --

TRANSLATION: ISRAEL DIDN'T BOMB ENOUGH LEBANESE CIVILIANS (ESPECIALLY WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND INFIRMED OLD MEN), HOMES, APARTMENT BUILDINGS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE. ISRAEL SHOULD HAVE USED MORE CLUSTER BOMBS ON THEM TOO.

Yeah, it fairly often seems that way. Like when it stood four-square behind Bush's cooked pretexts for advancing the War on Israel's Enemi-- whoops, uh the "War on Terror," uh-huh.

Here's a nice sampler

http://tinyurl.com/huvnu

Yes zios, not all of these will incriminate the Times for pro-Israel bias. Try to contain your desperate cherry-picking impulse

Wherever I wrote "bemused" should read "amused".

the last cries of a MANIC, DESPERATE ZIOPATH: "I have access to more info than you because *I live in Israel*".

I _LOVE_ TO WATCH DESPERATE ZIOPATHS FLAIL AND FLAIL ABOUT! -- ALMOST AS MUCH AS I _LOVED_ SEEING THE ISRAELI IDF CASUALTY FIGURES -- AND READING ABOUT THOSE DESTROYED TANKS -- EVERY DAY IN THE ISRAELI MEDIA!

DESPERATE ZIOPATH MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE THE _ORIGINAL_ NAZIS DURING THE LAST DAYS OF WWII -- STILL CLAIMING THAT THEY HAD ACHIEVED -- OR _WOULD_ HAVE ACHIEVED -- "A GLORIOUS VICTORY"! ...HA-HA-HA...!!


Rebuttal by a PROMINENT Israeli -- LIVING IN ISRAEL -- _A LOT LONGER_ than Desperate Ziopath has even been alive. (What has "Desperate Ziopath" ever written?) Here's the rebuttals to all "Why juvie is lying"'s manic _PREDICTABLE_ claims! Already foreseen, itemized and rebutted (including the inevitable cry that, "THE POLITICIANS HELD US BACK!!"):


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The Thirty Three Day War
From Mania to Depression
By URI AVNERY

Tel Aviv.

Thirty three days of war. The longest of our wars since 1949.

On the Israeli side: 154 dead--117 of them soldiers. 3970 rockets launched against us, 37 civilians dead, more than 422 civilians wounded.

On the Lebanese side: about a thousand dead civilians, thousands wounded. An unknown number of Hizbullah fighters dead and wounded.

More than a million refugees on both sides.

So what has been achieved for this terrible price?

"GLOOMY, HUMBLE, despondent," was how the journalist Yossef Werter described Ehud Olmert, a few hours after the cease-fire had come into effect.

Olmert? Humble? Is this the same Olmert we know? The same Olmert who thumped the table and shouted: "No more!" Who said: "After the war, the situation will be completely different than before!" Who promised a "New Middle East" as a result of the war?

* * *

THE RESULTS of the war are obvious:

* The prisoners, who served as casus belli (or pretext) for the war, have not been released. They will come back only as a result of an exchange of prisoners, exactly as Hassan Nasrallah proposed before the war.

* Hizbullah has remained as it was. It has not been destroyed, nor disarmed, nor even removed from where it was. Its fighters have proved themselves in battle and have even garnered compliments from Israeli soldiers. Its command and communication stucture has continued to function to the end. Its TV station is still broadcasting.

* Hassan Nasrallah is alive and kicking. Persistent attempts to kill him failed. His prestige is sky-high. Everywhere in the Arab world, from Morocco to Iraq, songs are being composed in his honor and his picture adorns the walls.

* The Lebanese army will be deployed along the border, side by side with a large international force. That is the only material change that has been achieved.

This will not replace Hizbullah. Hizbullah will remain in the area, in every village and town. The Israeli army has not succeeded in removing it from one single village. That was simply impossible without permanently removing the population to which it belongs.

The Lebanese army and the international force cannot and will not confront Hizbullah. Their very presence there depends on Hizbullah's consent. In practice, a kind of co-existence of the three forces will come into being, each one knowing that it has to come to terms with the other two.

Perhaps the international force will be able to prevent incursions by Hizbullah, such as the one that preceded this war. But it will also have to prevent Israeli actions, such as the reconnaissance flights of our Air Force over Lebanon. That's why the Israeli army objected, at the beginning, so strenuously to the introduction of this force.

* * *

IN ISRAEL, there is now a general atmosphere of disappointment and despondency. From mania to depression. It's not only that the politicians and the generals are firing accusations at each other, as we foresaw, but the general public is also voicing criticism from every possible angle. The soldiers criticize the conduct of the war, the reserve soldiers gripe about the chaos and the failure of supplies.

In all parties, there are new opposition groupings and threats of splits. In Kadima. In Labor. It seems that in Meretz, too, there is a lot of ferment, because most of its leaders supported the war dragon almost until the last moment, when they caught its tail and pierced it with their little lance.

At the head of the critics are marching--surprise, surprise--the media. The entire horde of interviewers and commentators, correspondents and presstitutes, who (with very few exceptions) enthused about the war, who deceived, misled, falsified, ignored, duped and lied for the fatherland, who stifled all criticism and branded as traitors all who opposed the war--they are now running ahead of the lynch mob. How predictable, how ugly. Suddenly they remember what we have been saying right from the beginning of the war.

This phase is symbolized by Dan Halutz, the Chief-of-Staff. Only yesterday he was the hero of the masses, it was forbidden to utter a word against him. Now he is being described as a war profiteer. A moment before sending his soldiers into battle, he found the time to sell his shares, in expectation of a decline of the stock market. (Let us hope that a moment before the end he found the time to buy them back again.)

Victory, as is well known, has many fathers, and failure in war is an orphan.

* * *

FROM THE deluge of accusations and gripes, one slogan stands out , a slogan that must send a cold shiver down the spine of anyone with a good memory: "the politicians did not let the army win."

Exactly as I wrote two weeks ago, we see before our very eyes the resurrection of the old cry "they stabbed the army in the back!"

This is how it goes: At long last, two days before the end, the land offensive started to roll. Thanks to our heroic soldiers, the men of the reserves, it was a dazzling success. And then, when we were on the verge of a great victory, the cease-fire came into effect.

There is not a single word of truth in this. This operation, which was planned and which the army spent years training for, was not carried out earlier, because it was clear that it would not bring any meaningful gains but would be costly in lives. The army would, indeed, have occupied wide areas, but without being able to dislodge the Hizbullah fighters from them.

The town of Bint Jbeil, for example, right next to the border, was taken by the army three times, and the Hizbullah fighters remained there to the end. If we had occupied 20 towns and villages like this one, the soldiers and the tanks would have been exposed in twenty places to the mortal attacks of the guerillas with their highly effective anti-tank weapons.

If so, why was it decided, at the last moment, to carry out this operation after all--well after the UN had already called for an end to hostilities? The horrific answer: it was a cynical--not to say vile--exercise of the failed trio. Olmert, Peretz and Halutz wanted to create "a picture of victory", as was openly stated in the media. On this altar the lives of 33 soldiers (including a young woman) were sacrificed.

The aim was to photograph the victorious soldiers on the bank of the Litani. The operation could only last 48 hours, when the cease-fire would come into force. In spite of the fact that the army used helicopters to land the troops, the aim was not attained. At no point did the army reach the Litani.

For comparison: in the first Lebanon war, that of Sharon in 1982, the army crossed the Litani in the first few hours. (The Litani, by the way, is not a real river anymore, but just a shallow creek. Most of its waters are drawn off far from there, in the north. Its last stretch is about 25 km distant from the border, near Metulla the distance is only 4 km.)

This time, when the cease-fire took effect, all the units taking part had reached villages on the way to the river. There they became sitting ducks, surrounded by Hizbullah fighters, without secure supply lines. From that moment on, the army had only one aim: to get them out of there as quickly as possible, regardless of who might take their place.

If a commission of inquiry is set up--as it must be--and investigates all the moves of this war, starting from the way the decision to start it was made, it will also have to investigate the decision to start this last operation. The death of 33 soldiers (including the son of the writer David Grossman, who had supported the war) and the pain this caused their families demand that!

* * *

BUT THESE facts are not yet clear to the general public. The brain-washing by the military commentators and the ex-generals, who dominated the media at the time, has turned the foolish--I would almost say "criminal"--operation into a rousing victory parade. The decision of the political leadership to stop it is now being seen by many as an act of defeatist, spineless, corrupt and even treasonous politicians.

And that is exactly the new slogan of the fascist Right that is now raising its ugly head.

After World War I, in similar circumstances, the legend of the "knife in the back of the victorious army" grew up. Adolf Hitler used it to carry him to power--and on to World War II.

Now, even before the last fallen soldier has been buried, the incompetent generals are starting to talk shamelessly about "another round", the next war that will surely come "in a month or in a year", God willing. After all, we cannot end the matter like this, in failure. Where is our pride?

* * *

THE ISRAELI public is now in a state of shock and disorientation. Accusations--justified and unjustified--are flung around in all directions, and it cannot be foreseen how things will develop.

Perhaps, in the end, it is logic that will win. Logic says: what has thoroughly been demonstrated is that there is no military solution. That is true in the North. That is also true in the South, where we are confronting a whole people that has nothing to lose anymore. The success of the Lebanese guerilla will encourage the Palestinian guerilla.

For logic to win, we must be honest with ourselves: pinpoint the failures, investigate their deeper causes, draw the proper conclusions.

Some people want to prevent that at any price. President Bush declares vociferously that we have won the war. A glorious victory over the Evil Ones. Like his own victory in Iraq.

When a football team is able to choose the referee, it is no surprise if it is declared the winner.

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http://counterpunch.org/avnery08172006.html

Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is one of the writers featured in The Other Israel: Voices of Dissent and Refusal. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch's hot new book The Politics of Anti-Semitism. He can be reached at: avnery@counterpunch.org.

MANIC, DESPERATE ziopath: "Israeli army units reached the Litani River on Saturday, less than 24 hours after the government ordered an operation to march toward the river in a final push against entrenched Hezbollah guerrillas, Israel Radio reported. ***A GLORIOUS VICTORY!!***"


...HA-HA-HA...!! "



SCHTARK RAVING LUNATIC: "His [Avnery's] opinions are not considered mainstream.

THAT'S _RIGHT_: THE ISRAELI MAINSTREAM THOUGHT -- AT FIRST -- THAT THE WAR AGAINST HEZBOLLAH WOULD BE A WALK-OVER!

THE FOOLISH ARROGANCE OF RACIST *FOOLS* ALWAYS ULTIMATELY CATCHES UP TO THEM!!

(ISRAEL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GUARANTEE A SINGLE DAY OF SAFETY FOR JEWS IN "THE LAND OF MILK AND HONEY". JEWS TODAY ARE SAFER IN _BERLIN_ AND _MUNICH_ THAN IN ISRAEL!)

WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS _WRONG_?

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Also see:

For more analysis on Israel's LOSSes, see article by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker:

Watching Lebanon

- by Seymour Hersh

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060821fa_fact

(I guess that Seymour Hersh is one of those members of the far fringe Left that's not taken serously either, huh, MANIC, DESPERATE ZIOPATH and SCHTARK RAVING LUNATIC?)

allow themselves to be infiltrated:

http://www.ucimc.org/newswire/display/133538/index.php

UC-IMC (Urbana-Champaign, Illinois, Indymedia) has long been zionist infiltrated by David Gerhig (Urbana resident and Indybay/LA-IMC gadfly) and his zio-chums. Do a little digging around into Gerhig's background to see what I mean. If you looks at the newswire of UC-IMC, you will see far fewer stories critical of Israel and, especially, Zionism compared to other IMC's -- and especially at other IMC's located in major university towns (the flagship University of Illinois at Urbana-Champain -- Illinois's 'Berkeley') and one with a rather large Middle Eastern population.

Indymedia is the only national (and int'l) alternative news operation where criticicism of Zionism and Israel are, generally (also depending on the IMC chapter and the degree of Zionist infiltration or, otherwise, ignorance), freely available. You BET the Zionists would try to attack that from the outside and from the inside.

Btw, notice how Gerhig usually has nothing to say but ONE-/TWO-LINERS? That's the *LIMIT* of what passes for his 'intelligence' in recent YEARS -- just one/two passing lines. (Go ahead, check out all the usual threads.................. Back?) That's because he's been intellectually WHIPPED DOWN by Angie (a regular poster at SF-IMC), TW and JA so many times it ain't even funny -- well, actually, it was!). Nowadays Gerhig (when he and nessie aren't in their love spats) prefers to sit back and let Tia, Becky Johnson, and SchtarkerYidiot churn out the ziopathic drivel and go down in flames like the *FOOLS* they are (and often very humorously and witily so at the devastatingly incisive hands of TW) .

(Gerhig, weren't you gonna help Becky Johnson get her leftist *COVER*, err job, back at Street Spirit, after she got royally *EXPOSED* for the right-wing racist hardcore arch-Zionist *LUNATIC* that she is? Something about a lawsuit??? Or was that just a lot of boring bombastic boisterous boorish overblown huffing and puffing and banging on empty pots and pans? Hahaha...!!)

What "lies, half truths, and ANTI-SEMITISM" were in that particular article?

We could only speculate

AND SELF-CONFIRMED BY THE PERPETRATORS THEMSELVES: by feel tormented yet? Friday, Aug. 18, 2006 at 7:52 AM.

Admit: (Webster's dictionary) to concede as true or valid.



Q.E.D.

Another success by ZIO WATCH.

THANKS, GERHIG!

By one little zio-infiltrated cornfield imc???

I don't think so.

There are plenty of other imc's where truth gets told.

"Unlike most of the contributors, Gehrig and Becky both believe if you have something to say, you should feel proud enough of it to sign your name to it."

"Unlike most of the contributors, Gehrig and Becky both believe if you have something to say, you should feel proud enough of it to sign your name to it."

Yahoo Search: Pages 1 - 10 of about _1,240,000_ hits for "uri avnery"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery

Uri Avnery also spelled Uri Avneri (Hebrew: אורי אבנרי), born September 10, 1923 in Beckum (Westphalia, Germany) as Helmut Ostermann, is an Israeli journalist and left wing peace activist. He was a member of the Knesset from 1965 to 1973 and again from 1979 to 1981. As a youth, he was a member of the Revisionist Zionist paramilitary group, Irgun. In the 1948 Arab-Israeli War he was a fighter in the Samson's Foxes jeep unit (and also wrote its anthem). Afterwards, he wrote a book about the war, called "In the Fields of Philistia" (Hebrew: "בשדות פלשת", Bi-Sdot Pleshet).

During the 1950's and the 1960's he was the publisher and chief-editor of Haolam Hazeh weekly magazine – an anti-establishment tabloid known for many sensational scoops. The formula seemed to work, as for many years it was Israel's leading alternative media publication.

He later turned to left-wing activism and founded the Gush Shalom (Hebrew: גוש שלום, "the Peace Bloc") movement, which he leads up to this day.

He is a devout secularist and strongly opposed to the Orthodox influence in religious and political life.

In 2002, a documentary directed by Yair Lev was made about Avnery's life entitled Uri Avnery: Warrior for Peace.

Avnery is a contributor to the news and opinion sites Counterpunch and LewRockwell.com.


External links

Uri Avnery Biography

Uri Avnery's News Pages

Gush Shalom

Right Livelihood Award recipient 2001

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery";

See:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/hidden.php?id=173437#174800

Wilipedia: "He was a member of the Knesset [ FOR A _DECADE_ ] from 1965 to 1973 and again from 1979 to 1981."

Wikipedia: "During the 1950's AND the 1960's he was the PUBLISHER and CHIEF-EDITOR of Haolam Hazeh weekly magazine...for many years it was Israel's LEADING alternative media publication."

Wikipedia: "n 2002, a DOCUMENTARY directed by Yair Lev was made about Avnery's life entitled Uri Avnery: Warrior for Peace [AND THAT'S WHY THE RABID RIGHT-WING ZIONISTS HATE HIM]."

If its crude false posting, it must be Schtark-raving Yidiot.. You are such an Idiot! Your presence here is like litter in a park.

zionist: "BTW I'm "CT"."

are we supposed to stand in awe or something? ...who are _you_?


gehrig: "[avneri] Whose claim to fame is having been one of a hundred and twenty members of the Knesset a quarter century ago."

(for a DECADE.)

yes, it's true, another mentally limited one-liner from gehrig. ...and _who_ is gehrig? ...where were _you_, gehrig, a quarter century ago? ...what's _your_ claim to fame? ...is there a documentary about _you_ somewhere?

"Opinion polls show that most Israelis believe that they LOST the war."

Schtark-raving Yid, it's spamming quips like that that show you're an idiot and a hypocrit.

Schtarker, you're still and idiot.

brain dead zionist nobody (CT, like one-line gehrig, Tia and SchtarkRavingYidiot) who hasn't been elected to, run or done shit: "Two years from 1979 to 1981 are now a decade! You didn't adjust the dosages of your psychoactive meds properly today."

Wilipedia: "He [Avnery] was a member of the Knesset [ FOR A _DECADE_ ] from 1965 to 1973 and again from 1979 to 1981."

8 years + 2 years = 10 years

"BTW I'm "CT".": is that supposed to _mean_ anything? are we supposed to stand in awe or something? ...who are _you_? "

CT: "I was just puzzled why you've consistently refrained from using your old derisive appellation against me."

I prefer to think of it as "bitch-slapped" down

TW: "I prefer to think of it as "bitch-slapped" down."

Lech tezayen gufa shell soos bayarkon ya zayn meyubash!

Any American who spent ten years on Capital Hill *and* created a publication equivalent to the Village Voice (a la Norman Mailer. Ever heard of him?) would be regarded by most of his peers as a "prominent citizen."

Next stupid zio-question?

That is fucking hilarious. gehrig is on par with Dumbass Yid now, just drops in for a little flaming quip--virtually dead.
Thanks for playing, and it would appear that, yet again, you lose.
You are now dismissed.
Lech zayen et ima schelcha

and _who_ is gehrig? ...where were _you_, gehrig, a quarter century ago? ...what's _your_ claim to fame? ...is there a documentary about _you_ somewhere?

what major national publications have _you_ run? ...and what have you _ever_ been elected to, gehrig? -- besides "king of the no-brain one-/two-liners".

Soul and passion to stand around in a corral with a bunch of right wing idiots waving american flags and israeli flags.
You pathetic flag worshipping dog.
Chel'at ha'min ha'enoshi

Unlike CT, at least gehrig can add on his fingers or toes.

Betar asked you a question, CT: gonna answer?

What was that appellation, CT?

Oh, tsk tsk.
1. I didn't bring my camera to the rally.
2. one or two green party members (probably just CM, or is it BM?)out of a sea of jingoistic flag waving repuklicans (like your boy zombie, and the guy with the 'nuke iran, etc.) doesn't count
Here's the pics of your futile rally of racism:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/12/18296586.php
Probably some SOS nazis there, too.

hey, CT, i'm curious, what was his appellation for you?

CT: "I was just puzzled why you've consistently refrained from using your old derisive appellation against me."

Ask me about the appellation through email.

Where does the whole camera thing come in anyway?
Interesting how off base the zionists are.
"toady" in the cornflakes and at rallies.
Fucking hilarious.
Here's the sea of racist jingo:
Here's the pics of your futile rally of racism:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/12/18296586.php
Probably some SOS nazis there, too.

Oh. Oh, I just love it! What'd I tell ya?

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/12/18296586.php

breakdown
by open eyes
Sunday Aug 13th, 2006 10:56 AM
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I'm seeing the following categories represented in these pictures

1) Christian zionist imberciles

2) Nouveaux 'Good Germans'
a) 'Murkah fursht!' redneck imberciles
b) corrupt GOP bot-flies and their frat-house larvae

3) Kosher KKK

Witnessing the emerging alignment between Jewish zionism and the 'Good German' crowd, more Jews should be waking up as if cattle prods had just been slammed up their rectums, but instead they seem to be enjoying the key party pretty well.

Key party! heh-heh! Get it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging#The_lifestyle_in_film_and_entertainment

heh-heh!

[Looky here! this is the REALLY good part!]
That the same people are getting heavily involved in the Green Party does not bode well for the Greens AT ALL. It's pretty obvious the Greens are a leftist enclave, and that these people are just infiltraitors/meddlers/info-gatherers bent on warping the Green Party to the interests of a foreign government.



HAHAHAHA! Who's ya daddy?!