The IOF (Israel Occupation Forces) has begun a military operation in southern Gaza...

The Devil (George Warmonger Bush): "Sorry to Oil the Arming of the Likud Extremist in IsrOil but Oil comes First. Fill her Up ?????"

Yea, well Hamas actually crossed the border to kidnap the IDF soldier.......and since Hamas is what passes for the 'government' in the Weat Bank and Gaza these days,that is tantamount to an act of war...Israel is teaching them that there are 3 things you dont do in this world...you dont sword fight with Zorro, you dont steal cheese from Mighty Mouse,and you dont fuck with the IDF

I'm afraid Israel is too restrained. Israel should have launched a Defensive Shield #2 operation in Gaza before this kidnapping even took place. How long will Israel put off this necessary operation? Until after a Qassam falls on a classroon packed to capacity in Sderot and wipes all the kids out? Shame on Olmert and Amir Peretz for their indicisiveness and shoddy leadership.

Its time to take the political gloves off and let the IDF win. Perhaps after unconditional surrender, there can be peace talks again.

IF Israel and the U.S. were about to attack Iran, would Israel keep all its military hardware in Israel proper, where it would be an easier target for counterattack, or would it find a convenient excuse to move its weapons into the occupied territories, where Palestinians would be de facto human shields?

IF Israel and the U.S. were about to attack Iran, wouldn't the most strategic location for Israel's ground forces be in the occupied territories, adjacent to many Muslim countries that might be tempted to come to Iran's aid (Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia)?

What kind of nonsense is that?

1. Didn't you hear Israel still has some bases in Judea-Samaria a.k.a. West Bank? Don't you know it has soe weapons in those bases? And why do you think the Pali population would be human shields when the IDF doesn't generally graft its weapons and ordnance into residential areas?

2. An IDF presence in the samll Gaza strip isn't enough to fend off an advance of an Egyptian army.

3. Saudi Arabia only takes part in military operations by proxy if at all.

4. Israel already maintains a presence of troops and bases in the Golan Heights to deter Syrian aggression.

the IDF doesn't generally graft its weapons and ordnance into residential areas

You must be a comedian. Are you Jon Stewart, because you are funny. I suppose the chosen land theives in Tel Aviv believe such Bu**sh**.

Secondly, you failed to activate the html code. Thirdly, when you spout bizarre crap like "land theives in Tel Aviv ", your arguments can't really be taken seriously.

You think the fact most foreign embassies are located in Tel Aviv makes it Israel's capital?

Regardless, the premises behind the post I was responding to are still a crock.

Secondly, you failed to activate the html code. Thirdly, when you spout bizarre crap like "land theives in Tel Aviv ", your arguments can't really be taken seriously.

You think the fact most foreign embassies are located in Tel Aviv makes it Israel's capital?

Regardless, the premises behind the post I was responding to are still a crock.

Quick recap: one IOF hostage versus 1.3 million Gaza residents held hostage. Make sense? Only in Tel Aviv.

What is IOF for starters? There's no such military.

The Gaza residents were "freed" of their "captivity" in Aug-Sep last year only so some of them would promptly commence firing rockets and mortars daily over the border into Israel and murder innocents. Clearly these are acts of aggression. The Gazans are only held hostage by their thuggish "militants" that place themselves among non-combatants as they fire those projectiles over the border and usually hide among them.

"Make sense? Only in Tel Aviv."

Nowhere. Because your presentation is deceitful.

Hostages? For what, living in Gaza? For trouble going through borders? By that logic, Israelis are hostages, too.

Israel should have nipped this in the bud when the kassams started. Hizbollah et al should have been taken out. Instead, Israel waited till this emergency and has taken dramatic actions, some of which result in collective punishment for those in Gaza. Wheter or not it is right, it is their duty to rescue the hostages. This could have been prevented long ago, just by taking out those involved in violence against Israel, but what would everyone on Indymedia have done? Whined. Funny thing, that.

It's time to start taking out those involved in violence against Palestine.

"It's time to start taking out those involved in violence against Palestine."

Yes, time to liquidate the Palestinian terrorists of Hamas, al-Aqsa, PFLP, DFLP, IJ, etc. They have committed non-stop violence against Palestine, the Land of Israel.

Note, 'nessie': you occasionally try to maintain that all residents of the land are Palestinians, so for the sake of consistency you ought to refer to the *entire* land as Palestine. That's not what your last post here implies. So you tripped in the mud yet again due to your inability to be consistent. You're dismissed with uproarious laghter.

Nice shirt. Cafe Press, eh? Good site...WE know, for us...well, it's kinda like Amazon. Helpful tool.

Be seeing you.

It most certainly is. Israel "proper" is just another part of Occupied Palestine. The Occupation is an act of violence. Israelis sleep on Arab graves. Anything their victims do to resist is appropriate.

Is Jordan part of "occupied Palestine?"

nessie: "Israel "proper" is just another part of Occupied Palestine."

Bumper sticker.

nessie: "The Occupation is an act of violence."

Bumper sticker.

nessie: "Israelis sleep on Arab graves."

Bumper sticker.

nessie: "Anything their victims do to resist is appropriate."

Bumper sticker.

So, as usual, nessie's "analysis" is bumper-sticker thin.

@%

"I have absolutely no way of knowing who's ordered what from CafePress. Trust me."



Ok Gehrig- why this obsession with truth, anyway? This is Indymedia.

- That's not what your last post here implies.

'nessie' the Jew hater:

"another Zionist lie"

That was my understanding as I dissected the text and tried to get to the bottom of what you wrote, not a lie. You need a remedial (re)education about what constitutes a lie.

Another reason you're racist is that you don't consider Jordan another part of Palestine but occupied by the Hashemites. This proves you don't care jack about the Palestinians and only have issues with Israelis.

Another slip in the mud you did: you "forgot" that some 20% of Israelis are non-Jews -- mostly Arabs -- who "sleep on Arab graves". Since you encourage violence against these non-Jews, this is yet another piece of evidence that your concern is not to help Arabs but to resist Israel. Hang your head in shame.

Death to 'nessie'.

No. It tells me that you (plural, but including TW) are the actuall bigoted jerkoffs.

Tink: "this is probably Occam's Razor telling you you're a jerk-off. "

Uh, you _do_ know that one of _your_ posts has been hidden in this thread, right, Tink? And that lots of your posts in other threads have been hidden?

@%

Unless you want me to commence spamming Indybay with your name.

http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/style.htm

Style Over Substance



Definition:

The manner in which an argument (or arguer) is presented is taken to affect the likelihood that the conclusion is true.

Examples:

i. Nixon lost the presidential debate because of the sweat on his forehead.

ii. Trudeau knows how to move a crowd. He must be right.

iii. Why don't you take the advice of that nicely dressed young man?

Proof:

While it is true that the manner in which an argument is presented will affect whether people believe that its conclusion is true, nonetheless, the truth of the conclusion does not depend on the manner in which the argument is presented. In order to show that this fallacy is being committed, show that the style in this case does not affect the truth or falsity of the conclusion.

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