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by Becky Johnson
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 3:50 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
In this repost from Today.AZ-Azerbaijan, Iranian protesters as part of the Azerbaijan National Revival Movement gathered in the Iranian cities of Tabriz, Sulduz, Miyane, Ardabil, Urmia, and Zenjan on Saturday against the publication of an insulting caricature in the Iran daily. Iranian govt. forces met them with bloody clashes.
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FROM: TODAY.AZ on June 3, 2006 Azerbaijanis are staging protest actions in Tabriz, Sulduz, Miyane, Ardabil, Urmia and Zenjan cities in Iran. They are protesting against the Iran Daily publishing a caricature insulting entire Azerbaijanis. The Iranian authorities brought 20 thousand guards and police forces to Tabriz to disperse the protesters. The South Azerbaijan National Revival Movement (SANRM) Baku bureau spokesman Aghri Garadaghli told APA that there are about ten thousands of protesters in Tabriz. Bloody clashes started between the forces and demonstrators accompanied by firing gun. It is not ruled out that special provokers among the protesters fired gun. Garadaghli also said that Iranian low enforcement bodies are using torture on the detained Azerbaijani demonstrators making them say that the US and other Western states are behind these protests. Four protesters died of severe torture in the past two days. There was an armed clash between the Iranian military forces and the demonstrators during the protest action in Miyane city. There is no exact information about number of the killed and injured. According to the latest reports, law enforcement bodies arrested 1,700 Azerbaijani protesters in Tabriz, 1,500 in Ardabil and 1,000 in Tehran. The SANRM reports that demonstrators Ms. Hajar Sultani and Sirus Huseyninijad underwent severe torture and they are in bad health now. However, they have not been hospitalized yet.
www.today.az/news/politics/26886.html
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by The Devil (Bush)
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 6:25 AM
The Devil (Bush), Rice, Rumsfeld, Negroponte, Cheney, Olmert, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CIA, IDF, MOSSAD, Skull and Bones: "TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT WHICH COUP DO WE FABRICATE ?????? SIX SEVEN EIGHT NINE TEN FAKE THE NEWS ON CNN !!!!!! SORRY TO OIL THE BLACK OPS IN IRAN BUT OIL, COCAINE, AND HEROIN COME FIRST !!!!!! FILL HER UP ?????"
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by linky
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 9:50 AM
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by Becky Johnson
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
It could be that the Iranian people are freaked out with all the saber-rattling and Nuke flashing that Pres. Ahmadenajad has been doing lately.
His actions will likely bring down military might from foreign powers, and the majority of the people who live there are sick of it. Most likely bombing from above.
It would be a sane activity to organize and form protests in the street, don't you think? While I am no Bush fan, I am wondering what you find so appealing about the Iranian president?
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by Sheepdog
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 2:12 PM
what is this? -t could be that the Iranian people are freaked out with all the saber-rattling and Nuke flashing that Pres. Ahmadenajad has been doing lately. - it's another lie. What nukes? Israel is the only state with nukes. Ms. BJ knows this but is required to push the current whisper campaign to INFER ( what else since no evidence exists- unless you believe the crap 'Hex' and Ms. BJ were/are pushing...) that Iran has nukes. They should have them if zionist israel has them. But they don't. Since a negative is impossible to prove, it's up to the PR boz to bring up an old STRATFOR 'documentation'. We've been here before.
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by Sheepdog
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 5:07 PM
after the spam... So Ms. BJ is following the neocon chorus to imply that Iran, not *Israel* is the real nuclear loose cannon. No one else besides *Israel*, in the region, has any.
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by Scapegoated Jew
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 5:20 PM
You never present adequate proof that Israel is or has been a "nuclear loose cannon".
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by Judasgoat's imp
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 5:32 PM
don't take *my* word for it... Look at all the UN resolutions condemning Israel's actions inside and outside their 'borders'. Only the U.S. has more resolutions held against it. Yup. a loose cannon. A rogue state. With nukes. Nukes they can't use unless they want to die.
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by Scapegoated Jew
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 6:33 PM
I doubt even you have "looked at" those UN resolutions, slobber. All those unbalanced, ill-thought, highly tendentious and unobjective anti-Israel resolutions do not your case make.
I thought you wouldn't be this weak after I saw you trying your hand at debating BJ about the your ISM friends' involvement with the massacre at Mike's Place. Alas, you've got no intellectual stamina.
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by Judasgoat's imp
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 6:50 PM
mr. 'goat thinks his opinion out weighs the UN general counsel. And what else do you believe? Shall I start mocking you as well as Ms. BJ? Don't get me started. Are you Bush Admirer?
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by My-Mistake, Mr. 'goat
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 7:02 PM
I just realized I've been mocking you since you popped up. Welcome to LA IMC :>) So you think your opinion ( which, of course is the official and nothing *but* the official Israeli position, and these clowns think they can fool anyone not impaired, into convincing us they aren't on a payroll ha ha ha...) is more worthy than the UN? Is that it? Your appreciation of international cooperation and global security? Don't make me laugh. 'America' doesn't care. This is the problem. You can help. Keep shooting off your keyboard. And try not to have a stroke at your young age. You type 'A's....
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by Sheepdog
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 7:10 PM
typing:'Azerbaijanis are staging protest actions in Tabriz, Sulduz, Miyane, Ardabi' into a search engine and brought nothing up. you try it.
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by Sheepdog
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 7:25 PM
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by Tia
Wednesday, Jun. 07, 2006 at 7:55 PM
The glorious UN. UNfair and UNbalanced, with 56 Muslim nations voting as a block. Just because a decison comes from "authority" doesn't make it just. Haven't you realized that yet, Mr. Sheep Doggy Dog? Think back to the Mississippi Supreme Court of the 1930's, for example.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 3:21 AM
are you ignoring the point I was making? This little bit of zionist Propaganda is typical. Another lie. Another fabrication. Another fraud. zionism.
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by Tia
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:12 AM
Was your point that you couldn't find Becky's article on the Web, so you assumed it was fraud? Ask a librarian, dear: http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=10577 And remember, just because YOU don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. Interesting footnote- there are 10 checkpoints on the Azerbaijian/Georgian border. Yep. Nations have the right to police and protect their borders. It doesn't seem to be an issue unless it happens in Israel.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:20 AM
allow me to introduce you to the art of cross checking. Who wrote the article? http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=10577 oh, APA, the Israeli 'translation' service that cherry picks or creates its particular slant on zionism for American edification. And your reference had all of 150- hits... Wow. The power of the 'press'. Nice try though.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:25 AM
is this like the phony Iran 'press release' that told us all the the Iranian government was requiring the population to wear religious patches? Little yellow stars? That went over like a lead balloon. Will this one follow suit? We shall see.
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by Tia
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:39 AM
"is this like the phony Iran 'press release' that told us all the the Iranian government was requiring the population to wear religious patches? Little yellow stars? "
***** The first retraction of that came from a fairly right wing JEWISH organization, BTW.
See what I mean about the flood of misinformation on the Web? Don't believe everything you read...
And re: the Azerbaijian thing: as Nessie would say "An ad hominem is not a rebuttal"- just because you don't like the publishing agency, doesn't mean it isn't accurate reporting.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:53 AM
-See what I mean about the flood of misinformation on the Web?- exactly' http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=10577 And I'm pretty sure where most of it comes from.
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by Tia
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 5:17 AM
"See what I mean about the flood of misinformation on the Web?"
That is why the promise of Indymedia was so important- the orginial concept was that people would report locally about what was happening in their communities. Alas, instead, we get reprints from mass media, spam, unsubstantiated rumors, flame wars (guilty as charged), and a wide assortment of kibble.
Alas, like everything else in this world, the reality of Indymedia never lived up to the fantasy of Indymedia.
And one more thing- don't blame it on the Zionists.....
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by Scapegoated Jew
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 5:19 AM
"So you think your opinion ( which, of course is the official and nothing *but* the official Israeli position, and yap yap yak yak) is more worthy than the UN? "
I didn't claim my opinion is more worthy than the UN's. I will say the opinion of a organization crammed with your beloved anti-democratic despots that reaches its anti-Israel resolutions through an automatic majority led by anti- human rights champions scum is almost worthless. Much like yours.
Mr. Sheep-ass, I'm to the right of Olmert and his gang of corrupt and opportunist lackeys. Thanks for the laugh anyway though.
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by Judasgoat's imp
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 5:31 AM
So ... What's new? The author? for background? Hmmmmm?
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by Scapegoated Jew
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 5:36 AM
...every report of human rights abuses in theocratic Muslim regimes registers as a "zionist PR fraud". What else is new?
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by Judasgoat's imp
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 5:42 AM
...for weeks. Can we have some smidge of verifiable, independent reporting It's not like I believe anything you say w / o a little checking... Like this post from Ms. BJ Cruz
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:19 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
So Sheepdog, are you saying that 4 demonstaters were NOT tortured to death, 4500 protesters were NOT arrested, and that the Azerbijanis DIDN'T stage protests in 7 Iranian cities?
And you called ME a liar (again) because you couldn't find something on a google search that you weren't conducting properly? (thanks to Tia for helping you with this task).
If you STILL believe that I (or the Israeli govt.) fabricated the above story, please, fill us in on your superior sources.
If you agree the above DID occur, then how about an apology to ME?
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:24 AM
you're kidding me, right? Yes, your 'piece' is a fraud. Unless I see some independent reports from the same period of time. not made up crap. Your turn, Ms. BJ Cruz. Show me some beef.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:32 AM
If there is any validity to this piece of crap from Ms. BJ Cruz.
I call fraud. Your turn, Ms. BJ Cruz.
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by tia
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:47 AM
The burden of proof is on the prosecution, Sheepdog.
Too bad there isn't Indymedia in Iran we could check with. Funny how there isn't Indymedia in any of the totalitarian, fascist areas. But there is in Israel. What does that tell you about freedom of the press in the middle east?
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by Scapegoated Jew
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 7:05 AM
He views an IMC's presence in Israel as validation of his certainty of the existence of an elaborate Zionist PR scheme to defraud the world into considering Israel an island of progress.
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 7:15 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/1620/70/ BECKY: That's TWO sources for me, ZERO sources for you Sheepdog.
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 7:20 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/1620/70/ http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1Y1:93460011/Ethnic+Azeris+Stage+Mass+Rallies+in+Iran+in+Protes.html?refid=ency_botnm BECKY: That's THREE sources for me, ZERO sources for you Sheepdog.
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 8:47 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
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TIA WRITES: "Too bad there isn't Indymedia in Iran we could check with. Funny how there isn't Indymedia in any of the totalitarian, fascist areas. But there is in Israel. What does that tell you about freedom of the press in the middle east?"
BECKY: That is a darned good question. Why isn't there?
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by charismatic megafauna
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 9:48 AM
"That is a darned good question. Why isn't there?"
Becky, aren't you the one who posted the lead article? I think you may have some idea of how the Iranian government feels about dissent.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 10:23 AM
2nd source http://www.ncr-iran.org/content/view/1620/70/ Engaging the mullahs is futile - the international community must instead encourage the resistance. Lord Peter Archer The Guardian, June 1, 2006 - As the five permanent members of the UN security council, together with Germany, continue their discussions in Vienna in an attempt to find a solution to the threat posed by the nuclear programmes of the Iranian regime, the United States has also stepped in with a last ditch effort to avert further escalation. However, in line with Iran's defiant stance over this issue, its foreign minister has rejected the offer of US talks as long as they remain conditional on Iran's suspension of its uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities. The evidence to date, including 18 years of deceit over nuclear programmes, suggests strongly that Tehran's mullahs are pursuing a nuclear weapons programme, which no doubt is intended as part of their expansionist policies. Not so long ago, Iran's hardline President Ahmadinejad set out his vision of a final war between the Islamic world, led by the mullahs, and the west. This, together with Tehran's long record of worldwide terrorist atrocities and export of fundamentalism, undoubtedly constitutes a threat first to their neighbours in the region and then to the west. However, that analysis ignores the critical internal factor. A leaked secret survey carried out by Iran's Interior Ministry in 2003 found that, of 16,000 people questioned in Tehran, 94% said that they were opposed to the present regime. This should not surprise anyone, for there is no reason why Iran's young, highly intelligent and proud population should support a corrupt, medieval and fundamentalist dictatorship, which has devastated their economy and their lives for the past quarter of a century. In 2005, despite summary arrests, torture, inhumane punishments, stoning and public hangings, Iranians participated in more than 4,000 protest actions across the country. Earlier this year, the strike by Tehran's courageous bus drivers ended in dawn raids on their homes, with drivers and their families arrested and some having their tongues sliced. This did not deter the women of Tehran, who came out into the streets to celebrate International Women's Day and demand equality, but who were attacked and beaten. Nor did it deter the May Day protesters who chanted anti-regime slogans, while demanding their pay and jobs. Only last week, tens of thousands of Iranians were involved in anti-regime protests in Tabriz, northwest Iran, during which at least nine protesters lost their lives. The Iranian people, through the National Council of Resistance, led by Maryam Rajavi, propose a simple but effective solution. It is not so drastic or potentially devastating as an inter-state war, nor does it involve continuation of the dangerous policy of appeasement pursued, in particular, by the EU, which has led to the present situation. The key to resolving the current crisis lies in the hands of the Iranian people, if the leaders of the resistance are seen to have the encouragement of the international community. Yet Britain and the United States, in response to demands by the Iranian government, have designated the principal opposition movement, the People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran as terrorists, with the paradoxical consequence that those who protest against the Iranian regime's terrorism are labelled terrorists, contrary to all that is known of the evidence. Thus the Mullahs are legitimised, and those who resist demonised. By adopting a firm policy against the regime, including the imposition of sanctions, the security council can exhibit the isolation of the mullahs, and reversing its proscription of the PMOI it can encourage the Iranian people to determine their own future. [ here is your '3rd' source] http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1Y1:93460011/Ethnic+Azeris+Stage+Mass+Rallies+in+Iran+in+Protes.html?refid=ency_botnm Ethnic Azerbaijanis in Iran are staging mass rallies in protest at the publication of a cartoon in a state-run newspaper which reportedly insulted Azerbaijanis, Baku-based opposition newspaper Yeni Musavat has said. University students took to the streets in the major Azeri cities of Tabriz, Orumiyeh and Zanjan, and also in the capital Tehran to protest at the cartoon. They demanded that the newspaper be closed down and Iran's culture minister resign, Yeni Musavat said. The report said that even ethnic Azeri players of Iran's national football team had decided to leave the team in protest at . Still no mention of "4 tortured to death." Fraud. I thought so.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 10:40 AM
Ms. BJ cruz has no article. She expects you not to look. where are the references; in the links of "4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran"
Still waiting.
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by Becky is credible
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 10:45 AM
Becky is quite credible and certainly far more credible than Sheepdog.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 10:53 AM
FRAUD ALERT
ha ha ha ha ha you idiots just made my day. This one is for Ms. BJ 'de Cruz A real keeper. Thank you again. It's bookmarked and ready to load for for 'Project Mockingbecky' Might as well get her another perch 'cause this one is toast. :>)
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 12:44 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
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The allegation that four people were tortured to death in the past two days, made in the lead article, was written on June 3rd. They referred to incidents that allegedly took place on June 1 2006 and June 2 2006.
Isn't it a bit early to claim this a fraud, only because there is only one report about it so far?
We didn't hear about Hadith until a few weeks ago. That was last November!!! Are you saying that in December 2005, the Hadith massacre didn't happen because their were no news reports about it?
I don't know if this really happened or not. There is a report that it has happened. Perhaps wait and see should be your rallying cry rather than "fraud!!"
Are you still saying that there were no protests in 7 Iranian cities in late May and early June of 2006? Are you still claiming that 4500 demonstraters WEREN"T arrested?
I still think you owe me an apology for saying I was lying. I posted something which you WISH weren't true. How does that make ME a liar?
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 12:54 PM
"4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran" was the headline, Ms. BJ 'de Cruz. Your journalism sucks, and your credibility is nonexistent. Fraud. Apology? piss off, ya liar.
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 1:38 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
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(repost) 04 June 2006 [18:51] - Today.Az Following the uprisings in Iran's Azeri provinces, a number of Iranian senior officials have admitted to the scale of the demonstrations. Yaqobzadeh, the mayor of Ardebil said, "The torching of banks and government buildings on Saturday cost the city seven billion Riyals in damages." He also admitted that young people had set on fire a corrupt loan center known as Imam Jafarsadeq, NCRI informs. At Revolutionary Guards Corps Joint Chiefs of Staff's morning drills, the Maj. General Rahim Safavi, Supreme Commander of the Revolutionary Guards, said that the uprisings in Azerbaijan, Ardebil, and Zanjan provinces were instigated by outsiders. He added, "We have documents which prove that the outside elements directed the uprisings." Commander of the State Security Forces (SSF), Maj. General Esmail Ahmadi- Moqadam said, "In a bid to strengthen the operational units, half of administrative work force and two third of their vehicles have been allocated to these unites." URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/26893.html BECKY: Reader be forewarned. This post is expected to be followed by repetitive mindless barking.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 1:51 PM
your link: http://www.today.az/news/politics/26893.html -Maj. General Rahim Safavi, Supreme Commander of the Revolutionary Guards, said that the uprisings in Azerbaijan, Ardebil, and Zanjan provinces were instigated by outsiders. He added, "We have documents which prove that the outside elements directed the uprisings."- STILL NO "4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran" Do you just post whatever you're told to post? What a dull tool.
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by Becky Johnson
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 3:09 PM
Santa Cruz, CA.
the info on the 4 tortured to death is in the lead article along with the total number of arrests listed in the article.
Sheepdog says its not true because there is no media source outside of Iran which is confirming this report. I don't think the 4 tortured to death is confirmed in the lead article---just that there have been reports to this effect.
I find it disturbing that the Iranian official would claim that he has proof that outside elements organized the protests (you know, the ones you say didn't happen).
The report said that the protesters were tortured into confessing that they were put up to it by American or Israeli agents. The fact that the Iranian official claims he has such proof, makes the torture-to-death story that much more believable.
For the last time, I am not being paid. I am a volunteer.
Readers must be wondering why doggy is putting up such resistance to the telling of this story. I have a theory. Doggie is only concerned about abuses committed by Jews or Israelis (and American govt. agencies too). He is NOT interested in huge repressions of protest, freedom of the press, torture, incarceration without charges, executions, or the abuse of Baha'i's in Iran. But rather than ignore these issues, he is actually trying to convince readers these events never occurred and that I am "always lying."
Are you convinced yet?
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 3:18 PM
Anyone can scroll up and see your little piece has no author no URL nothing but some Israeli punch bowl turd that can't be flushed. Your 'corroborating' URLs are a joke. Scroll up folks, and see for yourself. where's the "4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran" ? I suspect it resides through the process of a stamping and seizing module which placed it where the sun has never brought light. c/o Ms. BJ
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 3:33 PM
And if anyone believes this kind of journalism is professional, it's only because it's for pay.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 4:41 PM
What we have here is another blurb like the fraud about the religious patches Iran was accused of having their citizens wear. A proven fraud. Ms. BJ, the zionist parrot just took 'it ' 4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran and, like a good tool, published it.
I would at least think one other source from say Aljazera or BBC or maybe some US or European press... Until then, FRAUD
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by since you asked . .
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:21 PM
Not Israel and "the" Jews, Israel and *some* Jews. Other Jews are innocent. To lump all Jews under a term like "the" is racist. Every Jew has the same right and the same responsibility to be judged as an individual as has every non Jew.
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by since you're racist
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:46 PM
Not Israel and "the" Jews, Israel and *99.5%* of all Jews. Other Jews are approved. To lump 99.5% of Jews under a term like "the" is racist. Every non Jew has the same right and the same responsibility to be judged as an individual as has every Jew.
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by bunk logic
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 6:53 PM
How many is irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you hate .001% or you hate 99.999%. What matters is *why* you hate them. If you hate them because they are Jews, you're a racist. If you hate them for any other reason, you are not.
You should hate *all* racists, whether they are Jews or not. If you only hate racists who are not Jews, you're a racist.
There is no exception for Jews. They are just another tribe, on a planet with thousands of tribes. They are not special. No tribe is special. They are all human beings, no more and no less.
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by heard it before
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 7:26 PM
How many is relevant to nessie. To him It matters that you do not hate .001% but rather 99.999%. The reason to him is *why* he hates them. He hates them because they are Jews who don't grovel to his rabidly racist and anti-Israel ideology, so he's a racist. He does not hate them for any other reason.
You should hate *all* anti-Jewish racists, whether they are Jews or not. If you only hate racists who are not anti-Jewish, you're a racist.
There is no exception for Irish non-Jews. They are just another tribe, on a planet with thousands of tribes. They are not special. No tribe is special. They are all human beings, no more and no less.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Jun. 08, 2006 at 7:31 PM
One source. No author. No verification from legitimate sources. Ms. BJ is a tool This article is a fraud/
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by Becky Johnson
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 4:22 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
BECKY: There IS a URL with the lead story. Many articles do not include the author in many newspapers. It doesn't automatically mean the content is false.
Why is Doggie so adamant that readers NOT believe that there are massive protests against the Ahmadenajad administration in Iran?
SHEEPDOG WRITES: "And if anyone believes this kind of journalism is professional, it's only because it's for pay."
BECKY: So Sheepdog thinks that any journalist who is paid is a liar. I've got news for you doggie, BBC uses PAID journalists.
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by there they go again
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 4:39 AM
Once again they demonstrate what fundamentally dishonest people they are: http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1692248 (snip) Sometimes they take something that an anti-Zionist has written, subtly alter it’s meaning by changing a few words, and post it under the name of the original author. (snip) * * * * * Zionists love to sign other people's names. That's the kind of people they are, fundamentally dishonest. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Osama bin Laden's name to, or Hamas' or the PLO's. For more about "black propaganda," see: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1711536
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by there he goes again
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 4:46 AM
Once again he demonstrates what fundamentally dishonest a person he is: http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1962248 (snip) Sometimes he takes something that a Zionist has written, subtly alters its meaning by changing a few words, and posts it under the name of the original author. (snip) * * * * * Rabid anti-Zionists love to sign other people's names. That's the kind of people they are, fundamentally dishonest. False flag ops are their specialty. We cannot help but wonder how many atrocities they have signed Ehud Barak's name to, or Irgun's or the Haganah's. For more about "black propaganda," see: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1555696_comment.php#1711539
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by gehrig
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 4:48 AM
nessie: "What matters is *why* you hate them. If you hate them because they are Jews, you're a racist."
So, nessie, is Wendy Campbell an antisemite?
Yes or no?
@%<
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 5:38 AM
Interesting that this fraud thread is now being smothered in reposts and yammer. Again.
One source. No author. No verification from legitimate sources. Ms. BJ is a tool This article is a fraud
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by Scapegoated Jew
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 5:47 AM
Is any medium with even the slightest hint of a pro-Israel bias legitimite to you? Or only media with at least a rare occurrence of anti-Israel bias?
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 5:55 AM
One source. No author. No verification from legitimate sources. Ms. BJ is a tool This article is a fraud What I would like to add is this... legitimate sources from the same period of time not 'made up' to provide a self referencing venire. Aljazeera, for instance. certainly not the APA. Your little propaganDUH outlet. You can do it if it's a valid news item and not a contrived ( as afore mentioned 'patch' blurb' ) piece of ... well you know what I mean.
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by down with nessie
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 6:24 AM
nessie is a Jew loving Zionist bastard, who allowed gehrig to post at SF for a year or more, and gehrig is a sayan and his hate filled screeds were posted at known Zionist sites. nessie knew it, and did nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
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by in defense of Gehrig
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 6:30 AM
Show me one url thats "hate-filled'. Show me one url that is racist.
I dare you. I double dare you.
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by Scapegoated Jew
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 6:33 AM
What's a legitimate source? Is any medium with even the slightest hint of a pro-Israel bias legitimite to you? Or only media with at least a rare occurrence of anti-Israel bias? These are pointed questions seeking simple, straightforward answers, not multiple choice or open ended ones. Unless you're here only to bash BJ with every post you make, some of us need to know what the hell's constitutes a legitimite source for this topic.
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by Bahai situation in Iran?
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 8:12 AM
Does anyone know the current Bahai situation in Iran? Last I heard it was nightmarish.
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by gehrig
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 9:00 AM
"Show me one url thats "hate-filled'. Show me one url that is racist. "
I've been asking nessie to do that for years. He can't. That's why he had to redefine the word "racist" in order to apply it to me -- and, as collateral damage, to literally 99.5% of the rest of American Jews.
But that's what words do in nessie's hands; they turn into whatever he wants them to mean at any particular moment.
@%<
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by Judasgoat's imp
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 9:02 AM
'No, that;s just one of the perks "Unless you're here only to bash BJ " What is a legitimate source? Anything but a zionist/christian source. Still nothing unless it's been stamped out yesterday FRAUD
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by Busted again!
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 9:14 AM
"Anything but a zionist/christian source"
So on one hand you disqualify even usually good sources like the JP and presumably also Ha'aretz, but on the other you effectively approve of even the vilest racist sources, like all White Power, KKK, neo-Nazi, Nazi sources, or Jihadist and otherwise slanted outlets like al-Manar, IOL, Arab News, PA TV .
B. Johnson has already shown you to rely on a David Duke outlet on one occasion. You seem to enjoy outing yourself at least once daily.
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by Judasgoat's imp
Friday, Jun. 09, 2006 at 9:23 AM
changing ther subject huh? I only mentioned DD as a condemnation for a reference. Ms. BJ lied when she provided this 'link'. Bring up the URL to prove otherwise.
LIARS what else is new?
Obviously, you have nothing but the APA source to reference to:
4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran
no author one source and you have nothing. THIS ARTICLE IS FRAUD Zionist propaganda.
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by Becky Johnson
Saturday, Jun. 10, 2006 at 6:30 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.
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from: http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/05/23/azeriiran.shtml Azeri Minority in Iran Protests “Insulting” Cartoon Created: 23.05.2006 10:03 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 10:46 MSK MosNews Members of Iran’s Azeri minority hurled stones in violent protests on Monday, enraged by a newspaper cartoon they said insulted them, a semi-official news agency and a witness quoted by Reuters said. The ILNA labor news agency said thousands protested in the northwestern city of Tabriz and police used teargas to try to disperse the crowd. The exact number of demonstrators could not be confirmed. A resident said furious protesters threw stones at banks and smashed windows. “They are angry because ... we (Azeris) are insulted by a cartoon,” Soraya, a 40-year-old mother, told Reuters by telephone from Tabriz. The cartoon, which appeared in Friday’s edition of the official Iran newspaper, showed a boy repeating the Persian word for cockroach in different ways, while a cockroach in front of the boy asked “What?” in Azeri. The Azeris of northwestern Iran speak a language related to Turkish. Although Azeris have many luminaries among Iran’s commercial elite, Iran’s majority Persians mock them as stupid in their jokes. The conservative Siyasat-e Rouz daily on Sunday said a crowd of Azeris had set fire to Iran’s local office in the city of Orumiyeh, where Azeris make up the majority of the population. They account for about 25 percent of the inhabitants. ILNA said the protesters chanted slogans against the cartoon in Azeri outside the provincial governor’s office, which some of the crowd pelted with stones. “The police are carrying out their responsibilities. The gathering in Tabriz is illegal,” an Interior Ministry official, identified only as Razavi, said, according to ILNA. He added police were trying to restore order. Earlier on Monday, some students at a university in Tehran also protested against the cartoon. Some ethnic groups, including in Arab and Kurdish areas of Iran, have complained about unfair treatment from Tehran, but the Azeri community usually has few complaints. NOTE TO SHEEPDOG: Are you STILL saying these protests never happened?
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by Sheepdog
Saturday, Jun. 10, 2006 at 6:45 AM
your lead article reads: "4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran"
As a shill for Israel, and a parrot for APA ( and Lee Kaplan now, it seems ) you have not linked your splatter with any supporting data aside from the original 'piece'. Everyone knows about the Danish cartoons which were repeatedly released to provoke anger. Where in your associated news items does it refer to: 4 Tortured to Death; 4500 Arrested in Iran ? "NOTE TO SHEEPDOG: Are you STILL saying these protests never happened?"
No. Your original article is a fraud and now, using a greased weasel technique of referring to some other problem, you evade the thesis you presented in the title..
You are a shill for the Israeli lobby and a rank journalist. Very rank. Your paper bag is blown.
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