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Is Abbas a Traitor?

by Mike Whitney Monday, May. 29, 2006 at 8:26 PM

“Any Palestinian that is not focused first and foremost on defending the land and people against Israel's escalating aggression and colonialism, and prefers instead to fight for scraps from the master's table, is truly working against Palestinian interests, and against any possibility of a peaceful settlement.” - Hasan Abu Nimah, former representative of Jordan at the United Nations.

06/28/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Israel has launched a full-blown assault on the Hamas-led government. It has allied itself with co-conspirator George Bush to cut off food, medical supplies and financial aid to the PA which is creating a humanitarian crisis in the occupied territories. Israel has also stepped up its daily assassinations, air-raids and other incitements in order to destabilize the new government.

It’s clear now, that annihilating Hamas is at the very top of Israel’s political-agenda and that they won’t be deterred by the enormous suffering they are causing to the civilians of the West Bank and Gaza.

Surprisingly, they have found an eager companion to their subterfuge in the form of Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. Ever since Hamas was elected, Abbas has challenged their legitimacy and tried to undermine their authority. In an extraordinary statement to the press, Abbas said, “The constitution gives me clear and definite authority to remove a government from power.”

Abbas, of course, has no such power to disband the duly-elected government, but his attempts to thwart Hamas shows his willingness to do Israel’s bidding. No wonder Israeli PM Olmert praised Abbas so highly to George Bush during his recent visit to Washington. Abbas is clearly “Israel’s man” in the territories.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh understands the maneuvering that is going on behind his back, but to large extent his hands are tied. Fatah is operating on Abbas’ orders to spread the mayhem in Gaza while Haniyeh is frantically trying to maintain the peace.

Israel is the only one who benefits from the current turmoil, just as Israel is the only one who benefits from the blockade of food and medical supplies. If their strategy succeeds, they’ll topple Hamas and replace it with the compliant Fatah.

In his address to parliament on Thursday Haniyeh acknowledged that Israel and the United States were conspiring against Hamas “to suffocate and starve us” and that Bush had given Olmert a green light to crush the new government.

Haniyeh responded saying, “We will fight the Israeli plan and continue to struggle until the establishment of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders. Israel is trying to set up a country with a Jewish majority, and preserve Jerusalem as its capital. This shows the Israeli government wants to maintain the occupation. Unfortunately, the Americans are on their side”.

Abbas’ Ultimatum

This week Abbas set a deadline for Hamas to sign an agreement (which was written by Palestinian prisoners) which implicitly recognizes Israel’s right to exist. It’s astonishing that Abbas would devote so much time to such a trivial issue while his country is being occupied by a foreign army in violation of international law. Never the less, the matter is of great importance to his benefactors in Tel Aviv so Abbas is faithfully executing their orders.

The issue of “recognizing Israel” has been given considerable “air-time” in western media. Regrettably, the coverage is invariably slanted to demonize Hamas and make Israel look like the victim. As we can see from Haniyeh’s statement above, Hamas is only asking for “the establishment of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders.” (which is consistent with UN resolution 242) But, “recognizing Israel” is a nettlesome problem and requires that Hamas retreat on one of its core-principles. Kathleen Christinson sheds light on this point in her recent article in Counterpunch “Surrender vs. the Right to Exist”:

“The insistence that the Palestinians "recognize Israel's right to exist" does not mean, to Israel and the U.S., simply that the Palestinians must pledge not to throw Jews into the sea. Refraining from this drastic step is fairly easy even for the most militant of Islamists. It means instead recognizing Israel's moral legitimacy. For a Palestinian this means recognizing -- indeed, embracing as a moral imperative -- Israel's right to have expelled the Palestinians and taken their homes and their land.”

It is this question of “moral legitimacy” that overshadows the struggle between Hamas and Israel. What is the true nature of the relationship between the occupier and the occupied? In fact, it is Israel which denies Palestine the “right to exist” through occupation and frustrating attempts at statehood. Hamas should not be expected to applaud its tormenters for seizing its land, destroying its country, and starving its people.

Abbas knows as well as anyone, that he is asking Hamas to compromise on an issue of enormous importance. He is demanding that Hamas concede that Israel has a moral right to occupy the land was originally Palestine. The referendum is simply an underhanded way of coercing conformity to Israeli diktats.

Does Abbas enjoy carrying out Israel’s orders?

There’s no question how Olmert feels about the issue. As Christinson notes, the Israeli Prime Minister made himself entirely clear in his speech to Congress,

“I believed, and to this day still believe, in our people’s eternal and historic right to this entire land”. It is Olmert’s “belief” that is the threat to peace, not Hamas. There can be no lasting accommodation when one party feels they are entitled to “all the land” and can subjugate the native people while ignoring United Nations resolutions.

So why has Abbas joined forces with Israel and torpedoed the prospects for a negotiated settlement? He’s fully aware of Olmert’s plan to unilaterally draw Israel’s final borders and incorporate East Jerusalem, West Bank settlements and vast swathes of the Jordan Valley. Are the scraps from Israel’s table so tantalizing that he would willingly sell out his own people?

On Thursday, Israel announced that it would authorize the delivery of light weapons to Abbas’ security forces. For years, Israel has done everything in its power to prevent the Palestinians from arming themselves. They’ve even invented a special language, (“dismantling the infrastructure of terror”) which is aimed at disarming the Palestinian resistance. Now, they’re “transferring hundreds of light weapons imported from foreign countries” to their trusted ally, Mahmoud Abbas.

Israel would never provide Abbas with weapons if there was any chance they’d be used against Israelis. These weapons have one purpose alone; to kill Palestinians!

Abbas collaboration with Israel is tantamount to a declaration of war against his own people.

What more evidence does one need that Abbas is a traitor?

Israel has finally found someone corrupt enough to do their dirty-work in the territories. Meet the new cop on the beat, Mahmoud Abbas; Palestinian turncoat. ~

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13412.htm
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Abbas: the Vichy Palestinian

by he's a collaborator Monday, May. 29, 2006 at 9:14 PM

Down with this modern Quisling.
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nessie: the pro-Nazi American

by he's a racist Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 1:13 AM

Down with this modern Hitler sympathizer.
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slipknot

by slipknot Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 3:14 AM

I felt the air rise up in me

bend down and clear the stone and leaves

I want to love her you can see

inside my shell I wait and bleed
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back to the topic

by he sold out his people Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 6:15 AM

He's a traiter, not just to the Palestinian cause, but to all who oppose racist aggression.
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"He's a traiter, not just to the Palestinian cause, but to all who oppose racist aggr

by heard it before Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 6:20 AM

>he sold out his people

That's one opinion. It's not an objective appraisal of his deeds nor the truth.

>He's a traiter [sic], not just to the Palestinian cause, but to all who oppose racist aggression

Yes, because he was a racist aggressor himself.
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Excerpts from the Hamas Charter

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:09 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

Excerpts from the Ha...
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The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

BECKY: Freely elected Abbas has called for a referendum to ask the Palestinian people directly if they want to pursue an independent State of Palestine side by side with Israel.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
May 29, 2006
Hamas Dismisses Referendum "Threat"
- Khaled Abu Toameh (Jerusalem Post)

Hamas rejected a threat by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas to hold a referendum on the establishment of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, as Hamas' new security force returned to the streets of Gaza City on Saturday after withdrawing the day before.
See also PFLP to Join Hamas-Led Government (Jerusalem Post)

BECKY: Hamas has decided to continue attacks on Israel, refuse to recognize the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish State, and to refuse to honor previous agreements made by the PA. I don't see how Abbas attempt to poll the Palestinian people on their desires makes him a collaborator.

Why anyone on LA.IMC would support Hamas goals of destruction, death, genocide, and offensive military attacks on its neighbor is beyond my comprehension.

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opinion?

by gehrig Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:10 AM

"That's one opinion. "

Nessie doesn't have "opinions." That is, he never quite mastered the pre-adolescent art of distinguishing between his own opinions and Immvtable Trvth. It's another sign of his sociopathy.

@%<
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Project Mockingbecky

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:19 AM

oh, look... another unsourced 'document' *proving* what Ms. BJ says is the truth.
Like the map of 'tunnels in the area' from the same Israeli 'information sources'.
-burp-
I hope they pay you enough for the abuse I shall heap upon all of you.
Little Ms. BJ, is your life 'really' better now as a tool for Genocide?
New car? Good food and cloths? Not a homeless no more.
Got a job?
Congratulations, you made it.
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Full of Errors and Distortions

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:26 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

MIKE WHITNEY WRITES: "For a Palestinian this means recognizing -- indeed, embracing as a moral imperative -- Israel's right to have expelled the Palestinians and taken their homes and their land.”

BECKY: What kind of junk history is this? The Israelis never "expelled the Palestinians and taken their homes and land."
In 1948, the vast majority of ARABS (they didn't call themselves Palestinians back then) FLED on the advice of their Arab leaders.

Whitney would have us believe that on May 15, 1948 when 8 Arab armies attacked the newborn State of Israel with ten times the number of troops and with more weapons than the Israelis had---that while they were fighting for their lives against enemies who had promised to exterminate every one of them--- that they had the time, the troops, and the weapons to also drive 650,000 Arabs out of their homes or businesses.

Whitney also does not acknowledge that Israel promised to repatriate all refugees but the Kartoum resolution prevented this with the three "No's" : No recognition for Israel, No negotiations, No peace.

Nor does Whitney acknowledge that 170,000 of these refugees WERE returned to Israel thru legal Israeli processes.

Nor does Whitney explain why NO MEMBER OF THE MEDIA OF THE TIME reported that the IDF was forcibly driving the Arab population out of Israel.

Nor does Whitney explain that the 10% of the Arabs who stayed put were neither bothered nor harmed. They remained in their homes and businesses unmolested and are now 20% of the Israeli population with full rights of citizenship.

Whitney is apparently relying on the ignorance of his readers in order to make his points. The whole purpose of his article is to villify the Jews and Israel and he has no qualms about posting misinformation in order to win converts.

One wonders if Whitney is encouraging someone to assassinate Abbas. Those who work for peace should scream bloody murder.
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Israel has attempted 13 times to help build an independent State of Palestine

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:41 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

WHITNEY WRITES: "In fact, it is Israel which denies Palestine the “right to exist” through occupation and frustrating attempts at statehood."

BECKY: Israel has attempted to negotiate an independent state of Palestine living side by side with Israel in peace on 13 separate occasions starting in 1937.

The most memorable in recent history was when Barak and Pres. Clinton negotiated with Arafat at Camp David in 2000. Barak offered Arafat 97% of the West Bank, Jerusalem as the capital, and other lands to make up for the 3%.

Arafat REJECTED the offer and launched his intifada instead. He chose war over peace. Don't Whitney's readers read the papers?

Hamas has rejected a referendum asking the Palestinian people if they want an independent state. So you see, it is NOT Israel which is preventing the new state from being born.
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Israel has attempted 13 times to help build an independent State of Palestine

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:41 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

WHITNEY WRITES: "In fact, it is Israel which denies Palestine the “right to exist” through occupation and frustrating attempts at statehood."

BECKY: Israel has attempted to negotiate an independent state of Palestine living side by side with Israel in peace on 13 separate occasions starting in 1937.

The most memorable in recent history was when Barak and Pres. Clinton negotiated with Arafat at Camp David in 2000. Barak offered Arafat 97% of the West Bank, Jerusalem as the capital, and other lands to make up for the 3%.

Arafat REJECTED the offer and launched his intifada instead. He chose war over peace. Don't Whitney's readers read the papers?

Hamas has rejected a referendum asking the Palestinian people if they want an independent state. So you see, it is NOT Israel which is preventing the new state from being born.
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Project Mockingbecky

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:41 AM

word for pasted word.
unbelievable.
Your sources are fraud. ( when ever sited, mind you which in this case don't exist but if they did they would be Israeli)
Your cause is Genocide.( look up the term)
Your repetition is sickening.( read any posting Ms. BJ 'visits'.)
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Hamas Charter is public record

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 8:01 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

Hamas Charter is pub...
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NEUTRAL SOURCE FOR SHEEPDOG:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

BECKY: Read the charter for yourself! I didn't make up one word of the above post. (nor did I cut and paste my own comments).

Contrast this with Israel's declaration of Statehood on May 14, 1948 which in part says:

"WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."

source: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_Israel
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Project Mockingbecky

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 8:08 AM

Pretty words.
Drenched in blood. covering over the ugly reality of suffering, loss and Genocide ( look up the term ) towards a people who are now constructed into enemies.
Unfortunately making enemies of themselves in the process.
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"Hamas Charter is public record"

by good for them Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 8:24 AM

At least one part of their program is worth supporting wholeheartedly. Israel must be destroyed. That doesn't necessarily mean any Israelis need to be harmed, but the state itself must cease to exist. Any Israelis who are willing to denounce supremicism, and live as equals with the other Palestinans, should be allowed to stay, IMHO. But either wy, israel mus be destroyed. Those who refuse to renounce supremicism should be driven out. If they resist, they should be killed.
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Doyle goosesteps through a crypto-Nazi parade

by Scapegoated Jew Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 8:38 AM

Doyle goosesteps thr...
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'nessie' is effectively claiming I should renounce my humanity and live as a dhimmi in servitude. Otherwise, he in essence advocates a massacre of 5.5 million Jews for Israel to be eradicated.

Would it be 'nessie' the 'Amaleq be sent to an early grave instead of me. Death to 'nessie'. The sooner the better.
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yeah it can't stop...

by Judasgoat's imp Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 8:44 AM

Talk about jamming lies ( shrug ) into someone else's mouth ( no URL of course ) and getting all frothy.
Seek medical attention.
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Historical Revisionism

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 9:14 AM
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MICHAEL WHITNEY WRITES: "He (Abbas) is demanding that Hamas concede that Israel has a moral right to occupy the land was originally Palestine."

BECKY: "Originally Palestine?" How does Whitney figure? Does he just throw away all history books written prior to 1967?

All historical sources (even Palestinian ones) acknowledge that the Jews had a state of Israel which existed thousands of years prior to any Arab/Muslim presence. The original owners of "Palestine" were the Caananites. They are all gone now. Every single one of them. The next owners of the land were clearly the Jews. Jewish ownership and nation-building in the region are unparalleled throughout history.

There are no "Palestinian" artifacts from antiquity in the region. If Whitney's argument is based on prior ownership of the land, clearly the Jewish people have continously occupied and lived on the land far longer than the 7th century plunderers and conquerors.


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Project Mockingbecky

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 9:40 AM

that was then and this is now.
more 'documents' from Ms. BJ.
Impressive.
Inane but impressive.
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What are you implying?

by Scapegoated Jew Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 9:49 AM

What are you implyin...
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Should we rely on revisionist history books issued since 1967 by the Palestinian propaganda dep. and Western revisionists... just because these are "now"? I ask any rely to be to the question's substance rather than dumbfucked inflammatory trolling.

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dumbfucked inflammatory trolling?

by Judasgoat's imp Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 9:54 AM

but you still haven't read the article and you type this?
please.
Read the article.
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Your dismissal of BJ doesn't stand

by Scapegoated Jew Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:01 AM

Your dismissal of BJ...
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If you refuse to reply to my question then the conclusion is obvious: your dismissal of BJ's most recent claims about the author's assertions is just the by-now-usual kneejerk retort "it's untrue 'cause I say so". Yet her claims draw on real history and yours draw on nothing.

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not just me

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:07 AM

I think most of the reader dismiss Ms. BJ.
At least that's my goal. You can help. Did you read the lead article in this thread?
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More from the Hamas Charter

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:13 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

source: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

FROM THE HAMAS COVENANT

Article Eleven:

The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

BECKY: So now we see Whitney's source for his claim that the lands belong to (Islamic) Palestinian Arabs!! It's because the conquering Islamic armies from Arabia, as they slew, plundered, and raped their way to power, declared that the lands belong to Islam rulership "till the day of Judgement."

I guess its compelling if you are a Muslim. But it has no force in international law nor in any agreement signed between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Whitney presents himself as an investigative journalist and a scholar. Its more likely he is on the payroll of an anti-semitic oil Sheik, and will parrot any truth his Arab masters dictate.
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Project Mockingbecky

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:18 AM

reap what you sow.
Maybe Israel should have negotiated with the PLO.
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After stepping back from the insanity

by Justice Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:29 AM

After stepping back from the insanity, the whole "debate" you guys engage in seems even more ludicrous and innefectual. Truly pointless. Makes me wonder why I ever engaged in the spamming with "scapegoated". What a genuine waste of time.
Have fun. I will be out working w/ my union and putting feet to pavement for some city and stae propositions...
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Mike Whitney: Arab Propaganda Mouthpiece

by Becky Johnson Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:38 AM
Santa Cruz, CA.

Apparently Mike Whitney is a writer for Al-Jazeerah

US-Israeli Plan in Palestine Isn't Policy, It's Barbarism
"
By Mike Whitney

Al-Jazeerah, May 17, 2006

"Politics is a murky business which rarely presents clear moral choices. That’s what makes the humanitarian crisis in Palestine so exceptional; there is no gray-area whatsoever. The situation is appallingly clear and there’s a yawning chasm between what is right and what is wrong. The withholding of food, medical supplies and resources is manifestly immoral, and those who support that policy, even by their silence, are participating in a grave injustice...."

from: http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2006%20Opinion%20Editorials/May/17%20o/US-Israeli%20Plan%20in%20Palestine%20Isn't%20Policy,%20It's%20Barbarism%20By%20Mike%20Whitney.htm

AND THIS ONE:


Bush to Palestine: “Go starve to death”
By Mike Whitney

Online Journal Contributing Writer
May 10, 2006, 00:35

"The United States and Israel have finally agreed on a plan to resolve the decades-long Israel-Palestine conflict. Israel will continue lobbing missiles into civilian areas of Gaza and the West Bank while the US cuts off food and other vital aid to the territories. That way they can maximize the human suffering while preparing the people for a violent death..."

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Thank you

by Scapegoated Jew Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 10:45 AM

Thank you...
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This guy is a shill and a tool genocide and theocracy as sheep would put it.
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what?

by Judasgoat's imp Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 12:32 PM

nonsense.
I would use proper syntax. And sentence construction as in, yes, Ms. BJ is a tool for the actions of Genocide.

Just like that.
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ugh

by charismatic megafauna Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 3:47 PM

"Hamas Charter is public record"
by good for them Monday, May. 29, 2006 at 11:24 AM

At least one part of their program is worth supporting wholeheartedly. Israel must be destroyed. That doesn't necessarily mean any Israelis need to be harmed, but the state itself must cease to exist. Any Israelis who are willing to denounce supremicism, and live as equals with the other Palestinans, should be allowed to stay, IMHO. But either wy, israel mus be destroyed. Those who refuse to renounce supremicism should be driven out. If they resist, they should be killed.




Your hypocrisy and lack of humanity are disgusting. Where to begin?

Many of these Israelis have been on the land longer than many Arabs, particularly given the land's recent but pre-Israel history of not having a nationality, people moving around, etc. Should we kill these people when they want to stay in the West Bank. And establishing this Muslim state...it's allowed, it's fine, it should be supported, but Jews should be killed when they do the same?

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straw men

by bink logic Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 4:46 PM

>Many of these Israelis have been on the land longer than many Arabs,

I'm not talking about "Israelis." I'm talking about ethnic supremecists. Those Israelis who are willing to live as equals with the other Palestinians, should be allowed to stay. In fact, they should be encouraged.

>establishing this Muslim state

I never said anything about establishing a Muslim state, or any state. That would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.I'm opposed to *all* states. What I want to see is a single, secular, egalitarian *society*, in which it doesn't matter whom your mother was , or what name, if any, you use for deity. Only a supremicist could object to that.
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Becky invokes the dead

by they're dead, jim Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 5:03 PM

>The original owners of "Palestine" were the Caananites. They are all gone now. Every single one of them.

So are the ancient Israelites. Every last one of them is dead


>The next owners of the land were clearly the Jews.

Wrong. First of all, land cannot be owned, only defended by force of arms. The next "owners" of the land were not *the* Jews. They were *some* Jews, every last one of which is dead.


>There are no "Palestinian" artifacts from antiquity in the region.

Wrong. All artifacts found in the region are Palestinian by definition. The dichotomy drawn by Zionists between the Jews of Palestine and the other Palestinians is a false dichotomy. They are all Palestinians by definition, because they live in Palestine. Palestine is a geographic region. Anyone who lives in Palestine is a Palestinian. Anyone who believes that those Palestinians of one bloodline have more rights than Palestinians of another bloodline, is a racist. People are people. No tribe is superior.
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define your

by terms better Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 7:47 PM

First of all, land cannot be owned, only defended by force of arms.

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
Land in many countries can be certainly owned. It can be inherited. It can be bought and sold.

>There are no "Palestinian" artifacts from antiquity in the region.

Wrong. All artifacts found in the region are Palestinian by definition. By your definition. So a coin with Hebrew writing is Palestinian? How do you figure? Here- lets make it easy for you. Remember Jesus of Nazarth, roughly 2000 years ago? King of the Jews? Jewish carpenter?


The dichotomy drawn by Zionists between the Jews of Palestine and the other Palestinians is a false dichotomy. They are all Palestinians by definition, because they live in Palestine. Palestine is a geographic region.

Then define Palestine's borders. Do they extend from the river to the sea? Do they extend throughout historic Palestine, encompassing that thorn in the side of your logic, Jordan?


Anyone who lives in Palestine is a Palestinian.

So the Jordanians are Palestinian?

I'm not following here.
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"bink logic" = crypto-Nazi 'nessie' logic

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 12:47 AM

"bink logic&quo...
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"I'm not talking about "Israelis." I'm talking about ethnic supremecists. Those Israelis who are willing to live as equals with the other Palestinians, should be allowed to stay. In fact, they should be encouraged. "

'nessie' the crypto-Nazi is pulling the wool over underinformed eyes. He knows full well -- despite anything he'll tell you -- that the Palestinians aren't willing to live as equals with the Israelis. The only realistic solution is to have the Israelis live as superiors in their state and the Palestinians as superiors in their own state. That's the world's way. That's how things work virtually the world over. I will not let myself be expelled by Arabs without violent resistance just because 'nessie' the crypto-Nazi thinks he can dictate to me that I should live as a total equal to the people that has positioned itself as my bitter enemy -- the Palestinians -- within my own country.


"I never said anything about establishing a Muslim state, or any state. That would be out of the frying pan and into the fire.I'm opposed to *all* states. What I want to see is a single, secular, egalitarian *society*, in which it doesn't matter whom your mother was , or what name, if any, you use for deity. Only a supremicist could object to that."

Dead wrong and an obvious lie -- you _know_ countless non-racists object to your oh-so naive utopian position too. You're pulling the usual BS of pretending a utopian vision is somehow plausable within the next century. Some of us seriously question whether you actually believe in that vision.

Death to 'nessie'.
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Bam!

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 12:57 AM

Bam!...
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Note that amongst all the semantic juggling crap 'nessie' spouted above, he unwittingly admitted that "Palestine is a geographic region." Not often do we witness a rabid anti-Zionist concede that.
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"So a coin with Hebrew writing is Palestinian? How do you figure?"

by since you asked . . . Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:05 AM

The people who minted that coin lived in Palestine. Ergo, they were Palestinians. The coin was minted in Palestine, Ergo, it is a Palestinian artifact.
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And...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:08 AM

they had the gold...
That's what the stamped pieces mean.
I stamp my own money in the basement.
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You know you're playing semantics

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:11 AM

You know you're play...
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The Jews that minted this coin lived in Judah/Judaea. Ergo, they were Judaean Jews . The coin was minted in Judaea. Ergo, it is a Jewish artifact. It was struck before your spiritual mentors, the brute Romans, renamed the land Palestine.
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still don't

by get it Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:13 AM


Anything before the Roman era would be a Judean artifact then? I'm not following you here.

Jesus wasn't the King of the Palestinians. Jesus wasn't a Palestinian carpenter.
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seriously...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:13 AM

These relics of culture are only that. There is no huge god written tablet I've ever seen to persuade me that anybody has an inherent 'right' to own any land.
Taking it by force and crushing its people is a blatant crime.
That is why so much time and energy is devoted to cover it over, make mythology about it or lie about it.
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Not on gold

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:18 AM

Not on gold...
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Many coins in this series were minted on bronze and none on gold. But you're too lazy to perform reseach via Google to ascertain this.
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Not on gold

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:18 AM

Not on gold...
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Many coins in this series were minted on bronze and none on gold. But you're too lazy to perform reseach via Google to ascertain this.
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So tell me this, sheep

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:26 AM

"These relics of culture are only that. There is no huge god written tablet I've ever seen to persuade me that anybody has an inherent 'right' to own any land. Taking it by force and crushing its people is a blatant crime. That is why so much time and energy is devoted to cover it over, make mythology about it or lie about it."

So why is it you support -- at least implicitly -- the fervid firebreathing ideology of Jihadist groups like Hamas that includes a clause of a birthright to a "greater Palestine", all when you're not even an Arab Muslim?
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I don't

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:32 AM

please stop being such a numbnut.
I am only an advocate of violence in immediate self defense.
Not preemptive or paranoid driven ( guilty conscience perhaps? ) phobias you have aquired from people you have wronged.
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So how about some consistency from now on?

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:40 AM

So how about some co...
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"I am only an advocate of violence in immediate self defense. "

If this is so, it stands to reason your support for Palestinians should have been even more moderate and less volumnous than M. London's. Alas, so far the opposite has come to pass. Will you demonstrate consistency from now onwards?

"Not preemptive or paranoid driven ( guilty conscience perhaps? ) phobias you have aquired from people you have wronged."

I've neither wrong nor have such phobias. Any more smartmouthed oh-so clairvoyant snippets of wisdom to share?
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oh, Mr. 'Scapegoat'!

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:48 AM


-Any more smartmouthed oh-so clairvoyant snippets of wisdom to share?-
stop babbling. for one.
It further cheapens yourself. Not that you need to but still...
Abbas IS just another shill for Israel and like you and the rest of this crew of zionist weasels.
Any more questions?
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My Mistake - Project Mockingbecky

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 5:50 AM

Did I actually not remove the superfluous 'and' ?
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Leviticus

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Chapter 1
Exodus, chapter 1


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1: These are the names of the sons of Israel who came to Egypt with Jacob, each with his household:
2: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah,
3: Is'sachar, Zeb'ulun, and Benjamin,
4: Dan and Naph'tali, Gad and Asher.
5: All the offspring of Jacob were seventy persons; Joseph was already in Egypt.
6: Then Joseph died, and all his brothers, and all that generation.
7: But the descendants of Israel were fruitful and increased greatly; they multiplied and grew exceedingly strong; so that the land was filled with them.
8: Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph.
9: And he said to his people, "Behold, the people of Israel are too many and too mighty for us.
10: Come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and, if war befall us, they join our enemies and fight against us and escape from the land."
11: Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with heavy burdens; and they built for Pharaoh store-cities, Pithom and Ra-am'ses.
12: But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad. And the Egyptians were in dread of the people of Israel.
13: So they made the people of Israel serve with rigor,
14: and made their lives bitter with hard service, in mortar and brick, and in all kinds of work in the field; in all their work they made them serve with rigor.
15: Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiph'rah and the other Pu'ah,
16: "When you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him; but if it is a daughter, she shall live."
17: But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live.
18: So the king of Egypt called the midwives, and said to them, "Why have you done this, and let the male children live?"
19: The midwives said to Pharaoh, "Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are vigorous and are delivered before the midwife comes to them."
20: So God dealt well with the midwives; and the people multiplied and grew very strong.
21: And because the midwives feared God he gave them families.
22: Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, "Every son that is born to the Hebrews you shall cast into the Nile, but you shall let every daughter live."


Chapter 2
Exodus, chapter 2


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1: Now a man from the house of Levi went and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
2: The woman conceived and bore a son; and when she saw that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.
3: And when she could hide him no longer she took for him a basket made of bulrushes, and daubed it with bitumen and pitch; and she put the child in it and placed it among the reeds at the river's brink.
4: And his sister stood at a distance, to know what would be done to him.
5: Now the daughter of Pharaoh came down to bathe at the river, and her maidens walked beside the river; she saw the basket among the reeds and sent her maid to fetch it.
6: When she opened it she saw the child; and lo, the babe was crying. She took pity on him and said, "This is one of the Hebrews' children."
7: Then his sister said to Pharaoh's daughter, "Shall I go and call you a nurse from the Hebrew women to nurse the child for you?"
8: And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, "Go." So the girl went and called the child's mother.
9: And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, "Take this child away, and nurse him for me, and I will give you your wages." So the woman took the child and nursed him.
10: And the child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son; and she named him Moses, for she said, "Because I drew him out of the water."
11: One day, when Moses had grown up, he went out to his people and looked on their burdens; and he saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his people.
12: He looked this way and that, and seeing no one he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
13: When he went out the next day, behold, two Hebrews were struggling together; and he said to the man that did the wrong, "Why do you strike your fellow?"
14: He answered, "Who made you a prince and a judge over us? Do you mean to kill me as you killed the Egyptian?" Then Moses was afraid, and thought, "Surely the thing is known."
15: When Pharaoh heard of it, he sought to kill Moses. But Moses fled from Pharaoh, and stayed in the land of Mid'ian; and he sat down by a well.
16: Now the priest of Mid'ian had seven daughters; and they came and drew water, and filled the troughs to water their father's flock.
17: The shepherds came and drove them away; but Moses stood up and helped them, and watered their flock.
18: When they came to their father Reu'el, he said, "How is it that you have come so soon today?"
19: They said, "An Egyptian delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and even drew water for us and watered the flock."
20: He said to his daughters, "And where is he? Why have you left the man? Call him, that he may eat bread."
21: And Moses was content to dwell with the man, and he gave Moses his daughter Zippo'rah.
22: She bore a son, and he called his name Gershom; for he said, "I have been a sojourner in a foreign land."
23: In the course of those many days the king of Egypt died. And the people of Israel groaned under their bondage, and cried out for help, and their cry under bondage came up to God.
24: And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
25: And God saw the people of Israel, and God knew their condition.


Chapter 3
Exodus, chapter 3


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1: Now Moses was keeping the flock of his father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Mid'ian; and he led his flock to the west side of the wilderness, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
2: And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and lo, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.
3: And Moses said, "I will turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."
4: When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here am I."
5: Then he said, "Do not come near; put off your shoes from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground."
6: And he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
7: Then the LORD said, "I have seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; I know their sufferings,
8: and I have come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites.
9: And now, behold, the cry of the people of Israel has come to me, and I have seen the oppression with which the Egyptians oppress them.
10: Come, I will send you to Pharaoh that you may bring forth my people, the sons of Israel, out of Egypt."
11: But Moses said to God, "Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh, and bring the sons of Israel out of Egypt?"
12: He said, "But I will be with you; and this shall be the sign for you, that I have sent you: when you have brought forth the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God upon this mountain."
13: Then Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, `The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, `What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
14: God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, `I AM has sent me to you.'"
15: God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, `The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you': this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
16: Go and gather the elders of Israel together, and say to them, `The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, "I have observed you and what has been done to you in Egypt;
17: and I promise that I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt, to the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, a land flowing with milk and honey."'
18: And they will hearken to your voice; and you and the elders of Israel shall go to the king of Egypt and say to him, `The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us; and now, we pray you, let us go a three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God.'
19: I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless compelled by a mighty hand.
20: So I will stretch out my hand and smite Egypt with all the wonders which I will do in it; after that he will let you go.
21: And I will give this people favor in the sight of the Egyptians; and when you go, you shall not go empty,
22: but each woman shall ask of her neighbor, and of her who sojourns in her house, jewelry of silver and of gold, and clothing, and you shall put them on your sons and on your daughters; thus you shall despoil the Egyptians."


Chapter 4
Exodus, chapter 4


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1: Then Moses answered, "But behold, they will not believe me or listen to my voice, for they will say, `The LORD did not appear to you.'"
2: The LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?" He said, "A rod."
3: And he said, "Cast it on the ground." So he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from it.
4: But the LORD said to Moses, "Put out your hand, and take it by the tail" -- so he put out his hand and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand --
5: "that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has appeared to you."
6: Again, the LORD said to him, "Put your hand into your bosom." And he put his hand into his bosom; and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous, as white as snow.
7: Then God said, "Put your hand back into your bosom." So he put his hand back into his bosom; and when he took it out, behold, it was restored like the rest of his flesh.
8: "If they will not believe you," God said, "or heed the first sign, they may believe the latter sign.
9: If they will not believe even these two signs or heed your voice, you shall take some water from the Nile and pour it upon the dry ground; and the water which you shall take from the Nile will become blood upon the dry ground."
10: But Moses said to the LORD, "Oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent, either heretofore or since thou hast spoken to thy servant; but I am slow of speech and of tongue."
11: Then the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him dumb, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
12: Now therefore go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall speak."
13: But he said, "Oh, my Lord, send, I pray, some other person."
14: Then the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses and he said, "Is there not Aaron, your brother, the Levite? I know that he can speak well; and behold, he is coming out to meet you, and when he sees you he will be glad in his heart.
15: And you shall speak to him and put the words in his mouth; and I will be with your mouth and with his mouth, and will teach you what you shall do.
16: He shall speak for you to the people; and he shall be a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God.
17: And you shall take in your hand this rod, with which you shall do the signs."
18: Moses went back to Jethro his father-in-law and said to him, "Let me go back, I pray, to my kinsmen in Egypt and see whether they are still alive." And Jethro said to Moses, "Go in peace."
19: And the LORD said to Moses in Mid'ian, "Go back to Egypt; for all the men who were seeking your life are dead."
20: So Moses took his wife and his sons and set them on an ass, and went back to the land of Egypt; and in his hand Moses took the rod of God.
21: And the LORD said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.
22: And you shall say to Pharaoh, `Thus says the LORD, Israel is my first-born son,
23: and I say to you, "Let my son go that he may serve me"; if you refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay your first-born son.'"
24: At a lodging place on the way the LORD met him and sought to kill him.
25: Then Zippo'rah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched Moses' feet with it, and said, "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me!"
26: So he let him alone. Then it was that she said, "You are a bridegroom of blood," because of the circumcision.
27: The LORD said to Aaron, "Go into the wilderness to meet Moses." So he went, and met him at the mountain of God and kissed him.
28: And Moses told Aaron all the words of the LORD with which he had sent him, and all the signs which he had charged him to do.
29: Then Moses and Aaron went and gathered together all the elders of the people of Israel.
30: And Aaron spoke all the words which the LORD had spoken to Moses, and did the signs in the sight of the people.
31: And the people believed; and when they heard that the LORD had visited the people of Israel and that he had seen their affliction, they bowed their heads and worshiped.


Chapter 5
Exodus, chapter 5


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1: Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, `Let my people go, that they may hold a feast to me in the wilderness.'"
2: But Pharaoh said, "Who is the LORD, that I should heed his voice and let Israel go? I do not know the LORD, and moreover I will not let Israel go."
3: Then they said, "The God of the Hebrews has met with us; let us go, we pray, a three days' journey into the wilderness, and sacrifice to the LORD our God, lest he fall upon us with pestilence or with the sword."
4: But the king of Egypt said to them, "Moses and Aaron, why do you take the people away from their work? Get to your burdens."
5: And Pharaoh said, "Behold, the people of the land are now many and you make them rest from their burdens!"
6: The same day Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the people and their foremen,
7: "You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks, as heretofore; let them go and gather straw for themselves.
8: But the number of bricks which they made heretofore you shall lay upon them, you shall by no means lessen it; for they are idle; therefore they cry, `Let us go and offer sacrifice to our God.'
9: Let heavier work be laid upon the men that they may labor at it and pay no regard to lying words."
10: So the taskmasters and the foremen of the people went out and said to the people, "Thus says Pharaoh, `I will not give you straw.
11: Go yourselves, get your straw wherever you can find it; but your work will not be lessened in the least.'"
12: So the people were scattered abroad throughout all the land of Egypt, to gather stubble for straw.
13: The taskmasters were urgent, saying, "Complete your work, your daily task, as when there was straw."
14: And the foremen of the people of Israel, whom Pharaoh's taskmasters had set over them, were beaten, and were asked, "Why have you not done all your task of making bricks today, as hitherto?"
15: Then the foremen of the people of Israel came and cried to Pharaoh, "Why do you deal thus with your servants?
16: No straw is given to your servants, yet they say to us, `Make bricks!' And behold, your servants are beaten; but the fault is in your own people."
17: But he said, "You are idle, you are idle; therefore you say, `Let us go and sacrifice to the LORD.'
18: Go now, and work; for no straw shall be given you, yet you shall deliver the same number of bricks."
19: The foremen of the people of Israel saw that they were in evil plight, when they said, "You shall by no means lessen your daily number of bricks."
20: They met Moses and Aaron, who were waiting for them, as they came forth from Pharaoh;
21: and they said to them, "The LORD look upon you and judge, because you have made us offensive in the sight of Pharaoh and his servants, and have put a sword in their hand to kill us."
22: Then Moses turned again to the LORD and said, "O LORD, why hast thou done evil to this people? Why didst thou ever send me?
23: For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in thy name, he has done evil to this people, and thou hast not delivered thy people at all."


Chapter 6
Exodus, chapter 6


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1: But the LORD said to Moses, "Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for with a strong hand he will send them out, yea, with a strong hand he will drive them out of his land."
2: And God said to Moses, "I am the LORD.
3: I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them.
4: I also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they dwelt as sojourners.
5: Moreover I have heard the groaning of the people of Israel whom the Egyptians hold in bondage and I have remembered my covenant.
6: Say therefore to the people of Israel, `I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great acts of judgment,
7: and I will take you for my people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who has brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.
8: And I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; I will give it to you for a possession. I am the LORD.'"
9: Moses spoke thus to the people of Israel; but they did not listen to Moses, because of their broken spirit and their cruel bondage.
10: And the LORD said to Moses,
11: "Go in, tell Pharaoh king of Egypt to let the people of Israel go out of his land."
12: But Moses said to the LORD, "Behold, the people of Israel have not listened to me; how then shall Pharaoh listen to me, who am a man of uncircumcised lips?"
13: But the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, and gave them a charge to the people of Israel and to Pharaoh king of Egypt to bring the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt.
14: These are the heads of their fathers' houses: the sons of Reuben, the first-born of Israel: Hanoch, Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi; these are the families of Reuben.
15: The sons of Simeon: Jemu'el, Jamin, Ohad, Jachin, Zohar, and Shaul, the son of a Canaanite woman; these are the families of Simeon.
16: These are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations: Gershon, Kohath, and Merar'i, the years of the life of Levi being a hundred and thirty-seven years.
17: The sons of Gershon: Libni and Shim'e-i, by their families.
18: The sons of Kohath: Amram, Izhar, Hebron, and Uz'ziel, the years of the life of Kohath being a hundred and thirty-three years.
19: The sons of Merar'i: Mahli and Mushi. These are the families of the Levites according to their generations.
20: Amram took to wife Joch'ebed his father's sister and she bore him Aaron and Moses, the years of the life of Amram being one hundred and thirty-seven years.
21: The sons of Izhar: Korah, Nepheg, and Zichri.
22: And the sons of Uz'ziel: Mi'sha-el, Elza'phan, and Sithri.
23: Aaron took to wife Eli'sheba, the daughter of Ammin'adab and the sister of Nahshon; and she bore him Nadab, Abi'hu, Elea'zar, and Ith'amar.
24: The sons of Korah: Assir, Elka'nah, and Abi'asaph; these are the families of the Ko'rahites.
25: Elea'zar, Aaron's son, took to wife one of the daughters of Pu'ti-el; and she bore him Phin'ehas. These are the heads of the fathers' houses of the Levites by their families.
26: These are the Aaron and Moses to whom the LORD said: "Bring out the people of Israel from the land of Egypt by their hosts."
27: It was they who spoke to Pharaoh king of Egypt about bringing out the people of Israel from Egypt, this Moses and this Aaron.
28: On the day when the LORD spoke to Moses in the land of Egypt,
29: the LORD said to Moses, "I am the LORD; tell Pharaoh king of Egypt all that I say to you."
30: But Moses said to the LORD, "Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips; how then shall Pharaoh listen to me?"


Chapter 7
Exodus, chapter 7


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1: And the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
2: You shall speak all that I command you; and Aaron your brother shall tell Pharaoh to let the people of Israel go out of his land.
3: But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt,
4: Pharaoh will not listen to you; then I will lay my hand upon Egypt and bring forth my hosts, my people the sons of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment.
5: And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch forth my hand upon Egypt and bring out the people of Israel from among them."
6: And Moses and Aaron did so; they did as the LORD commanded them.
7: Now Moses was eighty years old, and Aaron eighty-three years old, when they spoke to Pharaoh.
8: And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
9: "When Pharaoh says to you, `Prove yourselves by working a miracle,' then you shall say to Aaron, `Take your rod and cast it down before Pharaoh, that it may become a serpent.'"
10: So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did as the LORD commanded; Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent.
11: Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers; and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same by their secret arts.
12: For every man cast down his rod, and they became serpents. But Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
13: Still Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
14: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pharaoh's heart is hardened, he refuses to let the people go.
15: Go to Pharaoh in the morning, as he is going out to the water; wait for him by the river's brink, and take in your hand the rod which was turned into a serpent.
16: And you shall say to him, `The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, sent me to you, saying, "Let my people go, that they may serve me in the wilderness; and behold, you have not yet obeyed."
17: Thus says the LORD, "By this you shall know that I am the LORD: behold, I will strike the water that is in the Nile with the rod that is in my hand, and it shall be turned to blood,
18: and the fish in the Nile shall die, and the Nile shall become foul, and the Egyptians will loathe to drink water from the Nile."'"
19: And the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, `Take your rod and stretch out your hand over the waters of Egypt, over their rivers, their canals, and their ponds, and all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and there shall be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood and in vessels of stone.'"
20: Moses and Aaron did as the LORD commanded; in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants, he lifted up the rod and struck the water that was in the Nile, and all the water that was in the Nile turned to blood.
21: And the fish in the Nile died; and the Nile became foul, so that the Egyptians could not drink water from the Nile; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt.
22: But the magicians of Egypt did the same by their secret arts; so Pharaoh's heart remained hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
23: Pharaoh turned and went into his house, and he did not lay even this to heart.
24: And all the Egyptians dug round about the Nile for water to drink, for they could not drink the water of the Nile.
25: Seven days passed after the LORD had struck the Nile.


Chapter 8
Exodus, chapter 8


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1: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go in to Pharaoh and say to him, `Thus says the LORD, "Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2: But if you refuse to let them go, behold, I will plague all your country with frogs;
3: the Nile shall swarm with frogs which shall come up into your house, and into your bedchamber and on your bed, and into the houses of your servants and of your people, and into your ovens and your kneading bowls;
4: the frogs shall come up on you and on your people and on all your servants."'"
5: And the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, `Stretch out your hand with your rod over the rivers, over the canals, and over the pools, and cause frogs to come upon the land of Egypt!'"
6: So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt.
7: But the magicians did the same by their secret arts, and brought frogs upon the land of Egypt.
8: Then Pharaoh called Moses and Aaron, and said, "Entreat the LORD to take away the frogs from me and from my people; and I will let the people go to sacrifice to the LORD."
9: Moses said to Pharaoh, "Be pleased to command me when I am to entreat, for you and for your servants and for your people, that the frogs be destroyed from you and your houses and be left only in the Nile."
10: And he said, "Tomorrow." Moses said, "Be it as you say, that you may know that there is no one like the LORD our God.
11: The frogs shall depart from you and your houses and your servants and your people; they shall be left only in the Nile."
12: So Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh; and Moses cried to the LORD concerning the frogs, as he had agreed with Pharaoh.
13: And the LORD did according to the word of Moses; the frogs died out of the houses and courtyards and out of the fields.
14: And they gathered them together in heaps, and the land stank.
15: But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart, and would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
16: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, `Stretch out your rod and strike the dust of the earth, that it may become gnats throughout all the land of Egypt.'"
17: And they did so; Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and struck the dust of the earth, and there came gnats on man and beast; all the dust of the earth became gnats throughout all the land of Egypt.
18: The magicians tried by their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not. So there were gnats on man and beast.
19: And the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.
20: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Rise up early in the morning and wait for Pharaoh, as he goes out to the water, and say to him, `Thus says the LORD, "Let my people go, that they may serve me.
21: Else, if you will not let my people go, behold, I will send swarms of flies on you and your servants and your people, and into your houses; and the houses of the Egyptians shall be filled with swarms of flies, and also the ground on which they stand.
22: But on that day I will set apart the land of Goshen, where my people dwell, so that no swarms of flies shall be there; that you may know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth.
23: Thus I will put a division between my people and your people. By tomorrow shall this sign be."'"
24: And the LORD did so; there came great swarms of flies into the house of Pharaoh and into his servants' houses, and in all the land of Egypt the land was ruined by reason of the flies.
25: Then Pharaoh called Moses and Aaron, and said, "Go, sacrifice to your God within the land."
26: But Moses said, "It would not be right to do so; for we shall sacrifice to the LORD our God offerings abominable to the Egyptians. If we sacrifice offerings abominable to the Egyptians before their eyes, will they not stone us?
27: We must go three days' journey into the wilderness and sacrifice to the LORD our God as he will command us."
28: So Pharaoh said, "I will let you go, to sacrifice to the LORD your God in the wilderness; only you shall not go very far away. Make entreaty for me."
29: Then Moses said, "Behold, I am going out from you and I will pray to the LORD that the swarms of flies may depart from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people, tomorrow; only let not Pharaoh deal falsely again by not letting the people go to sacrifice to the LORD."
30: So Moses went out from Pharaoh and prayed to the LORD.
31: And the LORD did as Moses asked, and removed the swarms of flies from Pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people; not one remained.
32: But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and did not let the people go.


Chapter 9
Exodus, chapter 9


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1: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go in to Pharaoh, and say to him, `Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let my people go, that they may serve me.
2: For if you refuse to let them go and still hold them,
3: behold, the hand of the LORD will fall with a very severe plague upon your cattle which are in the field, the horses, the asses, the camels, the herds, and the flocks.
4: But the LORD will make a distinction between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt, so that nothing shall die of all that belongs to the people of Israel."'"
5: And the LORD set a time, saying, "Tomorrow the LORD will do this thing in the land."
6: And on the morrow the LORD did this thing; all the cattle of the Egyptians died, but of the cattle of the people of Israel not one died.
7: And Pharaoh sent, and behold, not one of the cattle of the Israelites was dead. But the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people go.
8: And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Take handfuls of ashes from the kiln, and let Moses throw them toward heaven in the sight of Pharaoh.
9: And it shall become fine dust over all the land of Egypt, and become boils breaking out in sores on man and beast throughout all the land of Egypt."
10: So they took ashes from the kiln, and stood before Pharaoh, and Moses threw them toward heaven, and it became boils breaking out in sores on man and beast.
11: And the magicians could not stand before Moses because of the boils, for the boils were upon the magicians and upon all the Egyptians.
12: But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them; as the LORD had spoken to Moses.
13: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Rise up early in the morning and stand before Pharaoh, and say to him, `Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, "Let my people go, that they may serve me.
14: For this time I will send all my plagues upon your heart, and upon your servants and your people, that you may know that there is none like me in all the earth.
15: For by now I could have put forth my hand and struck you and your people with pestilence, and you would have been cut off from the earth;
16: but for this purpose have I let you live, to show you my power, so that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.
17: You are still exalting yourself against my people, and will not let them go.
18: Behold, tomorrow about this time I will cause very heavy hail to fall, such as never has been in Egypt from the day it was founded until now.
19: Now therefore send, get your cattle and all that you have in the field into safe shelter; for the hail shall come down upon every man and beast that is in the field and is not brought home, and they shall die."'"
20: Then he who feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his slaves and his cattle flee into the houses;
21: but he who did not regard the word of the LORD left his slaves and his cattle in the field.
22: And the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch forth your hand toward heaven, that there may be hail in all the land of Egypt, upon man and beast and every plant of the field, throughout the land of Egypt."
23: Then Moses stretched forth his rod toward heaven; and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and fire ran down to the earth. And the LORD rained hail upon the land of Egypt;
24: there was hail, and fire flashing continually in the midst of the hail, very heavy hail, such as had never been in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation.
25: The hail struck down everything that was in the field throughout all the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and the hail struck down every plant of the field, and shattered every tree of the field.
26: Only in the land of Goshen, where the people of Israel were, there was no hail.
27: Then Pharaoh sent, and called Moses and Aaron, and said to them, "I have sinned this time; the LORD is in the right, and I and my people are in the wrong.
28: Entreat the LORD; for there has been enough of this thunder and hail; I will let you go, and you shall stay no longer."
29: Moses said to him, "As soon as I have gone out of the city, I will stretch out my hands to the LORD; the thunder will cease, and there will be no more hail, that you may know that the earth is the LORD's.
30: But as for you and your servants, I know that you do not yet fear the LORD God."
31: (The flax and the barley were ruined, for the barley was in the ear and the flax was in bud.
32: But the wheat and the spelt were not ruined, for they are late in coming up.)
33: So Moses went out of the city from Pharaoh, and stretched out his hands to the LORD; and the thunder and the hail ceased, and the rain no longer poured upon the earth.
34: But when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunder had ceased, he sinned yet again, and hardened his heart, he and his servants.
35: So the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he did not let the people of Israel go; as the LORD had spoken through Moses.


Chapter 10
Exodus, chapter 10


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1: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Go in to Pharaoh; for I have hardened his heart and the heart of his servants, that I may show these signs of mine among them,
2: and that you may tell in the hearing of your son and of your son's son how I have made sport of the Egyptians and what signs I have done among them; that you may know that I am the LORD."
3: So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and said to him, "Thus says the LORD, the God of the Hebrews, `How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, that they may serve me.
4: For if you refuse to let my people go, behold, tomorrow I will bring locusts into your country,
5: and they shall cover the face of the land, so that no one can see the land; and they shall eat what is left to you after the hail, and they shall eat every tree of yours which grows in the field,
6: and they shall fill your houses, and the houses of all your servants and of all the Egyptians; as neither your fathers nor your grandfathers have seen, from the day they came on earth to this day.'" Then he turned and went out from Pharaoh.
7: And Pharaoh's servants said to him, "How long shall this man be a snare to us? Let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God; do you not yet understand that Egypt is ruined?"
8: So Moses and Aaron were brought back to Pharaoh; and he said to them, "Go, serve the LORD your God; but who are to go?"
9: And Moses said, "We will go with our young and our old; we will go with our sons and daughters and with our flocks and herds, for we must hold a feast to the LORD."
10: And he said to them, "The LORD be with you, if ever I let you and your little ones go! Look, you have some evil purpose in mind.
11: No! Go, the men among you, and serve the LORD, for that is what you desire." And they were driven out from Pharaoh's presence.
12: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the land of Egypt for the locusts, that they may come upon the land of Egypt, and eat every plant in the land, all that the hail has left."
13: So Moses stretched forth his rod over the land of Egypt, and the LORD brought an east wind upon the land all that day and all that night; and when it was morning the east wind had brought the locusts.
14: And the locusts came up over all the land of Egypt, and settled on the whole country of Egypt, such a dense swarm of locusts as had never been before, nor ever shall be again.
15: For they covered the face of the whole land, so that the land was darkened, and they ate all the plants in the land and all the fruit of the trees which the hail had left; not a green thing remained, neither tree nor plant of the field, through all the land of Egypt.
16: Then Pharaoh called Moses and Aaron in haste, and said, "I have sinned against the LORD your God, and against you.
17: Now therefore, forgive my sin, I pray you, only this once, and entreat the LORD your God only to remove this death from me."
18: So he went out from Pharaoh, and entreated the LORD.
19: And the LORD turned a very strong west wind, which lifted the locusts and drove them into the Red Sea; not a single locust was left in all the country of Egypt.
20: But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go.
21: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand toward heaven that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, a darkness to be felt."
22: So Moses stretched out his hand toward heaven, and there was thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days;
23: they did not see one another, nor did any rise from his place for three days; but all the people of Israel had light where they dwelt.
24: Then Pharaoh called Moses, and said, "Go, serve the LORD; your children also may go with you; only let your flocks and your herds remain behind."
25: But Moses said, "You must also let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God.
26: Our cattle also must go with us; not a hoof shall be left behind, for we must take of them to serve the LORD our God, and we do not know with what we must serve the LORD until we arrive there."
27: But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go.
28: Then Pharaoh said to him, "Get away from me; take heed to yourself; never see my face again; for in the day you see my face you shall die."
29: Moses said, "As you say! I will not see your face again."


Chapter 11
Exodus, chapter 11


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1: The LORD said to Moses, "Yet one plague more I will bring upon Pharaoh and upon Egypt; afterwards he will let you go hence; when he lets you go, he will drive you away completely.
2: Speak now in the hearing of the people, that they ask, every man of his neighbor and every woman of her neighbor, jewelry of silver and of gold."
3: And the LORD gave the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians. Moreover, the man Moses was very great in the land of Egypt, in the sight of Pharaoh's servants and in the sight of the people.
4: And Moses said, "Thus says the LORD: About midnight I will go forth in the midst of Egypt;
5: and all the first-born in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first-born of Pharaoh who sits upon his throne, even to the first-born of the maidservant who is behind the mill; and all the first-born of the cattle.
6: And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there has never been, nor ever shall be again.
7: But against any of the people of Israel, either man or beast, not a dog shall growl; that you may know that the LORD makes a distinction between the Egyptians and Israel.
8: And all these your servants shall come down to me, and bow down to me, saying, `Get you out, and all the people who follow you.' And after that I will go out." And he went out from Pharaoh in hot anger.
9: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pharaoh will not listen to you; that my wonders may be multiplied in the land of Egypt."
10: Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh; and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the people of Israel go out of his land.


Chapter 12
Exodus, chapter 12


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1: The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt,
2: "This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you.
3: Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they shall take every man a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household;
4: and if the household is too small for a lamb, then a man and his neighbor next to his house shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb.
5: Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old; you shall take it from the sheep or from the goats;
6: and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs in the evening.
7: Then they shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat them.
8: They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9: Do not eat any of it raw or boiled with water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts.
10: And you shall let none of it remain until the morning, anything that remains until the morning you shall burn.
11: In this manner you shall eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's passover.
12: For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.
13: The blood shall be a sign for you, upon the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague shall fall upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.
14: "This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations you shall observe it as an ordinance for ever.
15: Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the first day you shall put away leaven out of your houses, for if any one eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.
16: On the first day you shall hold a holy assembly, and on the seventh day a holy assembly; no work shall be done on those days; but what every one must eat, that only may be prepared by you.
17: And you shall observe the feast of unleavened bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt: therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as an ordinance for ever.
18: In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, and so until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
19: For seven days no leaven shall be found in your houses; for if any one eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a sojourner or a native of the land.
20: You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread."
21: Then Moses called all the elders of Israel, and said to them, "Select lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the passover lamb.
22: Take a bunch of hyssop and dip it in the blood which is in the basin, and touch the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood which is in the basin; and none of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning.
23: For the LORD will pass through to slay the Egyptians; and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to slay you.
24: You shall observe this rite as an ordinance for you and for your sons for ever.
25: And when you come to the land which the LORD will give you, as he has promised, you shall keep this service.
26: And when your children say to you, `What do you mean by this service?'
27: you shall say, `It is the sacrifice of the LORD's passover, for he passed over the houses of the people of Israel in Egypt, when he slew the Egyptians but spared our houses.'" And the people bowed their heads and worshiped.
28: Then the people of Israel went and did so; as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.
29: At midnight the LORD smote all the first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the first-born of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the first-born of the cattle.
30: And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where one was not dead.
31: And he summoned Moses and Aaron by night, and said, "Rise up, go forth from among my people, both you and the people of Israel; and go, serve the LORD, as you have said.
32: Take your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and be gone; and bless me also!"
33: And the Egyptians were urgent with the people, to send them out of the land in haste; for they said, "We are all dead men."
34: So the people took their dough before it was leavened, their kneading bowls being bound up in their mantles on their shoulders.
35: The people of Israel had also done as Moses told them, for they had asked of the Egyptians jewelry of silver and of gold, and clothing;
36: and the LORD had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. Thus they despoiled the Egyptians.
37: And the people of Israel journeyed from Ram'eses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children.
38: A mixed multitude also went up with them, and very many cattle, both flocks and herds.
39: And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they had brought out of Egypt, for it was not leavened, because they were thrust out of Egypt and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any provisions.
40: The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years.
41: And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.
42: It was a night of watching by the LORD, to bring them out of the land of Egypt; so this same night is a night of watching kept to the LORD by all the people of Israel throughout their generations.
43: And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the ordinance of the passover: no foreigner shall eat of it;
44: but every slave that is bought for money may eat of it after you have circumcised him.
45: No sojourner or hired servant may eat of it.
46: In one house shall it be eaten; you shall not carry forth any of the flesh outside the house; and you shall not break a bone of it.
47: All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48: And when a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.
49: There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you."
50: Thus did all the people of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did.
51: And on that very day the LORD brought the people of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts.


Chapter 13
Exodus, chapter 13


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1: The LORD said to Moses,
2: "Consecrate to me all the first-born; whatever is the first to open the womb among the people of Israel, both of man and of beast, is mine."
3: And Moses said to the people, "Remember this day, in which you came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage, for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place; no leavened bread shall be eaten.
4: This day you are to go forth, in the month of Abib.
5: And when the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, which he swore to your fathers to give you, a land flowing with milk and honey, you shall keep this service in this month.
6: Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the LORD.
7: Unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days; no leavened bread shall be seen with you, and no leaven shall be seen with you in all your territory.
8: And you shall tell your son on that day, `It is because of what the LORD did for me when I came out of Egypt.'
9: And it shall be to you as a sign on your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a strong hand the LORD has brought you out of Egypt.
10: You shall therefore keep this ordinance at its appointed time from year to year.
11: "And when the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites, as he swore to you and your fathers, and shall give it to you,
12: you shall set apart to the LORD all that first opens the womb. All the firstlings of your cattle that are males shall be the LORD's.
13: Every firstling of an ass you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. Every first-born of man among your sons you shall redeem.
14: And when in time to come your son asks you, `What does this mean?' you shall say to him, `By strength of hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
15: For when Pharaoh stubbornly refused to let us go, the LORD slew all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both the first-born of man and the first-born of cattle. Therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all the males that first open the womb; but all the first-born of my sons I redeem.'
16: It shall be as a mark on your hand or frontlets between your eyes; for by a strong hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt."
17: When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them by way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, "Lest the people repent when they see war, and return to Egypt."
18: But God led the people round by the way of the wilderness toward the Red Sea. And the people of Israel went up out of the land of Egypt equipped for battle.
19: And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him; for Joseph had solemnly sworn the people of Israel, saying, "God will visit you; then you must carry my bones with you from here."
20: And they moved on from Succoth, and encamped at Etham, on the edge of the wilderness.
21: And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, that they might travel by day and by night;
22: the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night did not depart from before the people.


Chapter 14
Exodus, chapter 14


Compare with King James Version: Exod.14




1: Then the LORD said to Moses,
2: "Tell the people of Israel to turn back and encamp in front of Pi-ha-hi'roth, between Migdol and the sea, in front of Ba'al-ze'phon; you shall encamp over against it, by the sea.
3: For Pharaoh will say of the people of Israel, `They are entangled in the land; the wilderness has shut them in.'
4: And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host; and the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." And they did so.
5: When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, the mind of Pharaoh and his servants was changed toward the people, and they said, "What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us?"
6: So he made ready his chariot and took his army with him,
7: and took six hundred picked chariots and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them.
8: And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt and he pursued the people of Israel as they went forth defiantly.
9: The Egyptians pursued them, all Pharaoh's horses and chariots and his horsemen and his army, and overtook them encamped at the sea, by Pi-ha-hi'roth, in front of Ba'al-ze'phon.
10: When Pharaoh drew near, the people of Israel lifted up their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them; and they were in great fear. And the people of Israel cried out to the LORD;
11: and they said to Moses, "Is it because there are no graves in Egypt that you have taken us away to die in the wilderness? What have you done to us, in bringing us out of Egypt?
12: Is not this what we said to you in Egypt, `Let us alone and let us serve the Egyptians'? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness."
13: And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again.
14: The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be still."
15: The LORD said to Moses, "Why do you cry to me? Tell the people of Israel to go forward.
16: Lift up your rod, and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it, that the people of Israel may go on dry ground through the sea.
17: And I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they shall go in after them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, his chariots, and his horsemen.
18: And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten glory over Pharaoh, his chariots, and his horsemen."
19: Then the angel of God who went before the host of Israel moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them,
20: coming between the host of Egypt and the host of Israel. And there was the cloud and the darkness; and the night passed without one coming near the other all night.
21: Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
22: And the people of Israel went into the midst of the sea on dry ground, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
23: The Egyptians pursued, and went in after them into the midst of the sea, all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.
24: And in the morning watch the LORD in the pillar of fire and of cloud looked down upon the host of the Egyptians, and discomfited the host of the Egyptians,
25: clogging their chariot wheels so that they drove heavily; and the Egyptians said, "Let us flee from before Israel; for the LORD fights for them against the Egyptians."
26: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea, that the water may come back upon the Egyptians, upon their chariots, and upon their horsemen."
27: So Moses stretched forth his hand over the sea, and the sea returned to its wonted flow when the morning appeared; and the Egyptians fled into it, and the LORD routed the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
28: The waters returned and covered the chariots and the horsemen and all the host of Pharaoh that had followed them into the sea; not so much as one of them remained.
29: But the people of Israel walked on dry ground through the sea, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
30: Thus the LORD saved Israel that day from the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the seashore.
31: And Israel saw the great work which the LORD did against the Egyptians, and the people feared the LORD; and they believed in the LORD and in his servant Moses.


Chapter 15
Exodus, chapter 15


Compare with King James Version: Exod.15




1: Then Moses and the people of Israel sang this song to the LORD, saying, "I will sing to the LORD, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea.
2: The LORD is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation; this is my God, and I will praise him, my father's God, and I will exalt him.
3: The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his name.
4: "Pharaoh's chariots and his host he cast into the sea; and his picked officers are sunk in the Red Sea.
5: The floods cover them; they went down into the depths like a stone.
6: Thy right hand, O LORD, glorious in power, thy right hand, O LORD, shatters the enemy.
7: In the greatness of thy majesty thou overthrowest thy adversaries; thou sendest forth thy fury, it consumes them like stubble.
8: At the blast of thy nostrils the waters piled up, the floods stood up in a heap; the deeps congealed in the heart of the sea.
9: The enemy said, `I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil, my desire shall have its fill of them. I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.'
10: Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them; they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
11: "Who is like thee, O LORD, among the gods? Who is like thee, majestic in holiness, terrible in glorious deeds, doing wonders?
12: Thou didst stretch out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
13: "Thou hast led in thy steadfast love the people whom thou hast redeemed, thou hast guided them by thy strength to thy holy abode.
14: The peoples have heard, they tremble; pangs have seized on the inhabitants of Philistia.
15: Now are the chiefs of Edom dismayed; the leaders of Moab, trembling seizes them; all the inhabitants of Canaan have melted away.
16: Terror and dread fall upon them; because of the greatness of thy arm, they are as still as a stone, till thy people, O LORD, pass by, till the people pass by whom thou hast purchased.
17: Thou wilt bring them in, and plant them on thy own mountain, the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thy abode, the sanctuary, LORD, which thy hands have established.
18: The LORD will reign for ever and ever."
19: For when the horses of Pharaoh with his chariots and his horsemen went into the sea, the LORD brought back the waters of the sea upon them; but the people of Israel walked on dry ground in the midst of the sea.
20: Then Miriam, the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and dancing.
21: And Miriam sang to them: "Sing to the LORD, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea."
22: Then Moses led Israel onward from the Red Sea, and they went into the wilderness of Shur; they went three days in the wilderness and found no water.
23: When they came to Marah, they could not drink the water of Marah because it was bitter; therefore it was named Marah.
24: And the people murmured against Moses, saying, "What shall we drink?"
25: And he cried to the LORD; and the LORD showed him a tree, and he threw it into the water, and the water became sweet. There the LORD made for them a statute and an ordinance and there he proved them,
26: saying, "If you will diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give heed to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases upon you which I put upon the Egyptians; for I am the LORD, your healer."
27: Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve springs of water and seventy palm trees; and they encamped there by the water.


Chapter 16
Exodus, chapter 16


Compare with King James Version: Exod.16




1: They set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the people of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had departed from the land of Egypt.
2: And the whole congregation of the people of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness,
3: and said to them, "Would that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the fleshpots and ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger."
4: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or not.
5: On the sixth day, when they prepare what they bring in, it will be twice as much as they gather daily."
6: So Moses and Aaron said to all the people of Israel, "At evening you shall know that it was the LORD who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
7: and in the morning you shall see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your murmurings against the LORD. For what are we, that you murmur against us?"
8: And Moses said, "When the LORD gives you in the evening flesh to eat and in the morning bread to the full, because the LORD has heard your murmurings which you murmur against him -- what are we? Your murmurings are no
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reduced to spamming

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 6:04 AM

pathetic.
Abbas is still a shill.
Just like the rest of 'your' crew.
And we know why. $
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Not "ours" and you know it

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 6:44 AM

Life according to Sheepdog

Ziagra spam- its the Zionists fault
On line poker spam- its the Zionists fault
Religious fundamentalist spam- its the Zionist fault
Porn spam- its the Zionists fault
Treats and manipulations- its the Zionists fault. Nessie spam- its the Zionists fault

See a pattern here, Doggie?

Shall we add:
Indonesian earthquake- its the Zionist fault
Global Warming- its the Zionists fault
Christs death? HIV? 9/11 ? Anything else you want to pin on us?

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yeah I do

by Sheepdog - 's got a bueatiful mind Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:08 AM

yep I do.
I'm a good illustrator because I just trace over the visions that appear.
Oh well.
you didn't deny my 'ridiculous accusations' but ( you need your laugh trac here ) tried to make them seem ridiculous.
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Some thing sdon't merit a response, Doggie

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:17 AM


"Do not answer a fool according to his foolishness, lest you also be considered like him." Proverbs 26:4


Garbage needs to be taken out, not scrutinized.
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that's funny

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:23 AM

what?
again, coming from you?
i've noticed that none of your crew will admit to doing this w/o 'compensation'

not once.
And this particularly applies to Ms. BJ
The rest of 'you' I believe have been doing this on the 'roll for years.
Kinda like Abbas.
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Good grief!

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:31 AM

I've said this before: If I were a paid shill- don't you think I'd be better "trained"? Don't you think I'd be smoother?
If the same organization was financing us, don't you think we'd speak with the same voice, rather than respresenting the entire spectrum of Jewish/Zionist belief, from left to right?
Nope, Doggie. Its love, not money that motivates me.
Put that in your bowl and chew on it for a while.

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repeat after me

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:39 AM

"Nope, Doggie. Its love, and there is no material compensation that motivates me."
just so I can capture it for archival purposes.
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Interesting article

by Don't be naive Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:48 AM

You’ve got to hand it to the Palestinian Arabs. Even though most of the Arabs who may have lost homes in an Arab instigated war against the Jews in 1948 as the United Nations founded Israel have long since died, have started businesses or built homes elsewhere, they are still crying they are “refugees” who need to live in the same spot their ancestors lived—a Palestinian state next to Israel simply will not do. According to UN figures, there were 420,000 Arab refugees in that first war, many of whom left by choice.

Israel quietly repatriated about 150,000 from 1952-82. From 1949-1950 the Arab League created the refugee camps with the help of the UN and began admitting other Arabs who could sign on as “refugees” even if they had a home and a job. No need to live in the camps, you could just come and get free food and clothes. Refugee status, denoted by a card, could be handed down from father to son also, assured freebies from the US taxpayer and the UN. The Arab League contributed little.

To be sure, there are some impoverished Arabs in refugee camps such as in Lebanon that the Arab world insisted Arabs from the Palestine Mandate must live in—they were not allowed to assimilate into any other Arab countries and forced to tithe to Yasser Arafat as the “festering wound” to “take back” the land of Israel. Today, the “camps” are the in fact cities. But the same welfare scam has paid off in spades. At the height of Oslo the PLO

was getting on average 125 million US dollars a month for 3.5million Arabs in the Palestinian Authority. The Arabs claim Palestinians are living today on two dollars a day; maybe they should sell those $1,5000 Kalashnikovs we see them parading in the streets to pay the rent? An Al Aksa Martyrs Brigade terrorist gets $50,000 US a year from the PA government, a sum many Americans and Canadians would covet.

The fact is enough handouts have been given to the Palestinian Authority that every one of those Arabs could have a nice condo with a new Toyota in the garage and still feed his family. The Palestinians scream that “genocide” is being conducted on them, yet that original 420,000 number of refugees now they claim is 5 million. And of course they need MORE money for “humanitarian reasons.” Believe it or not, Israel provides 70% of their budget, at the same time Palestinian front groups in the US and Canada call for divestment and boycotting Israel.

To perpetuate the Palestinian Arab welfare scam, they use media very wisely. Mohammed al Durra, a 12 year-old Palestinian boy was allegedly cut down by Israeli soldiers in Gaza during the Intifada. A French TV crew ran the segment shot by a Palestinian Arab cameraman, who recently recanted what happened. It seems the whole thing was staged. A German film crew, then an American group investigated the story and even got hold of the outtakes–faked. One of the films revealing this was titled “Pallywood” and can be viewed here. The boy’s body was never found.

An Arab boy throws a rock at a parked Israeli tank. The caption of course read that he was facing the tank down.

The caption read “An Israeli soldier stops a Palestinian child at a road block outside the West Bank town of Qalqiliya.” In actuality, she is just approached and is talking to him and he is talking to her, note his facial expression, raised eyebrow: “Oooooooohhhh……really?”

The simple truth is the PLO and their ISM stooges in the West stage things all the time for cameras and on the Internet.

There are 19 propaganda ministries in the Palestinian Authority just for these purposes. The other day while researching an article I happened onto this photo:

A Palestinian Arab woman poses melodramatically in front of some demolished cars. She’ll ask the photographer for money afterward.

And here brave Palestinian Arabs defy an Israeli army bulldozer and tank (that are parked and vacant).

This one from the ISM. That’s Rachel Corrie on the right who helped Arabs smuggle weapons through tunnels to kill Israelis. She forgot to pose in front of a vacant tractor like her Arab counterparts did above (not too bright that girl). But the PLO and ISM created a photo to show her “protecting” a house from a bulldozer later:

http://www.stoptheism.com/Default.asp?M=24&T=140

This one is my favorite. Gaza, just after an “Israeli attack.” A friend of mine who does make up for Hollywood films laughed at this photo. Aside from the melodramatic pose of the Arab in lab coat in the background with his hand over his mouth worthy of a silent film award, the man in the foreground is not dead. The wound on his sweater is not real. Shrapnel and bullets implode through material. The wound in the foreground is designed to look like a wound produced by a squib, a fake bullet strike used in films. For dramatic effect in movies they usually explode outward while real bullets pass right through. The above shot was also staged, the “victims” not really dead.

Let’s send the Arabs more money. After all, they need it to do better special effects and create more photos and hold the world hostage in a perpetual state of war and terrorism so they can ask the world for still more money, and, well, you know, we owe it to them, and they are dispossessed, and, well, we owe it to them and….. Duh.
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banal ass

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 7:56 AM

-Even though most of the Arabs - [ have died never seeing their home again ]
and what's this I hear about a mere 700,000 * still * wishing to RETURN?
what a putz.
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so...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:03 AM

let's talk about reparations and aid to the injured party. Seizure and restitution of non legal acquisition.
Removing all check points barricades and military air traffic over region save commercial activity.
Then we would no longer have a problem.
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No title...

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:05 AM

Why is it so hard for you to believe that people are motivated by things other than financial gain?

This was from an acquaintence:
"...Yesterday was Yom Yerushaliyim- a day which celebrates not 40 years of wandering but almost 2,000 years of exile from the city of Jerusalem. A day that celebrates the re-entry of the tribes of Israel to the Jerusalem of Gold of Naomi Shemer- the city of the Shechina- Gods Presence...

I remember those weeks in May and early June so vividly! From Mid May, the armies of Egypt Jordan and Syria were massed on Israel's 3 borders- ready to attack her. The tension in those three weeks was unbearable. No CNN, no Internet: we waited for ticker tape updates from the press or waited to look at the paper each morning. Those three weeks were filled with fear and horror for our people world wide.

On June 5th Israel could wait no longer: the IDF in a pre-emptiv estrike, annihilated the Egyptian air force before her planes could take off, eliminated the Egyptian army and then captured the Golan Heights from Syria.

The 3rd stage of the 6 day war saw the IDF, under the leadership of Moshe Dyan, capture the West Bank and enter Jerusalem for the first time in hundreds of years....

These days turned me into a Zionist. At each turn I have become more of a Zionist- knowing in my gut that the fate of the Jewish people world wide is inextricably bound to the fate of our people in its homeland- and to Jerusalem- the source of our spiritual and divine connection"

Sheepdog- can you understand anything being motivated by LOVE? Is it all about money to you?



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That's your artificial ear

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:06 AM

That's your artifici...
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"what's this I hear about a mere 700,000 * still * wishing to RETURN? "

Geez, weren't you supposed to spout 2 million? You only go on what you've rehearsed from your talking points.
The real number is much lower anyhow. Furthermore, 700,000 is the maximal 1948 refugee figure. Most of these are dead now.
I'll never accept that refugee status passes onto the next generations only because shills for lies, murder and genocide like you insist the Palestinians are the only ones in history entitled to a hereditary refugee status.
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"people are motivated by things other than financial gain"

by right of return Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:07 AM

That's why the most of the Palestinian diaspora want their homes back and not to be paid off.
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I love this

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:07 AM

I'm sure you're as sweet as a sugar pie, my dear.
got the message.
:>)
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Wrong

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:15 AM

That's why the most of the Palestinian diaspora want their homes back and not to be paid off.

Actually, surveys have indicated that only 10 % and upward of "refugees" want to "return" to Israel ...

RAMALLAH, West Bank, July 13 — A mob attacked an eminent Palestinian political scientist today as he prepared to announce a striking finding from a regionwide survey of Palestinian refugees: Only a small minority of them exercise a "right of return" to Israel as part of a peace agreement.

The political scientist, Dr. Khalil Shikaki, the director of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research here, had intended today to discuss for the Arabic-language press the tensions and complexities of Palestinian society. Instead, struck, shoved and pelted with eggs but not seriously injured, he wound up starkly illustrating them.

In a broad, detailed survey, Dr. Shikaki's researchers questioned 4,500 refugee families living in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan and Lebanon. More than 95 percent of them insisted that Israel recognize a right of return, accepting their position in principle, he said.

The researchers then presented five options, like financial compensation and moving to a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. The options were based on those negotiated but never formally endorsed by Israeli and Palestinian officials in January 2001, and they assumed that Israel recognized a right of return.

Only 10 percent demanded permanent residence in Israel, a proportion that decreased if the refugees were told that they would have to take Israeli citizenship or that their old homes were gone.

More than half — a total of 54 percent — said they would accept compensation and homes in the West Bank and Gaza, or in land ceded by Israel in a swap for West Bank land, Dr. Shikaki said. Others said they would elect to stay in their host country or go to another country. Thirteen percent rejected any deal at all.

Yep- over half would be just fine getting "paid" off.



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to Mr. 'goated Jew

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:15 AM


-hereditary refugee status.- and this from a zionist.
You are a terrible advocate for zionism. You continue to show your 'seething hatred' and generally bad mouth your own unfeeling, unempathic, hostile nature.
Do you and Tia represent the yin and yang of the zionazi cause?
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No. Let's talk comprehensive justice

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:18 AM

No. Let's talk compr...
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"let's talk about reparations and aid to the injured party. Seizure and restitution of non legal acquisition.
Removing all check points barricades and military air traffic over region save commercial activity.
Then we would no longer have a problem."

No. First we're behooved to stop positing that there was only one "injured party". That's stupid and wrong. Then let's crush Hamas and its likes, put the remainder in prison, overhaul the PA, de-Nazify the Palestinians in the disputed territories along some of the liines of post-WWII Marshal Plan. Let's stop Palestinian theft of transportation vehicles and agricultural gear and return what stolen property we can to their Israeli owners. Let's proceed to compensating all the Jews that were banished or had to flee from Arab lands with little else than their clothes on them. From there we can evict all Jewish squattors (the real ones, not all as the anti-Zionists insist) from Palestinian land they illegally seized.
Then we could remove the check points, barricades and "military air traffic" as a real peace deal is negotiated in good faith by the Palis with Olmert and heirs.
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i agree

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:24 AM

read your own posts, Mr. 'goated Jew.
-No. First we're behooved to stop positing that there was only one "injured party".-

That's exactly what you zionazis have been doing aside from the other items in your little bag. Israel NEVER admits to wrong doing.
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That's an ultra-lame strawman

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:27 AM

That's an ultra-lame...
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...because you're insinuating I ever claimed to be a refugee personally. I'm now at home, both personally and nationally (which country should you really be living in instead of dwelling on indigenous Native American land?).
What the hell are your Palinazi fingers going on about now?
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Yin, Yang and Yo Yo

by Tia Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:28 AM

-hereditary refugee status.- and this from a zionist.

Its true, however- the children, granchildren, and great grandchildren ad ininitium of folks who left in 1948 are all granted refugee status.

You are a terrible advocate for zionism. You continue to show your 'seething hatred' and generally bad mouth your own unfeeling, unempathic, hostile nature.

He's an Israeli! Haven't you figured this out yet? He lives with this crap every day of his life. For you and I its an intellectual exercise- but its his life! I think we need to cut him some slack for that at least. He has access to a lot more information than we do- he deosn't receive his info filtered down through the media.

Do you and Tia represent the yin and yang of the zionazi cause?

Not for long. I am working with a team of experts to deprogram this unseeming niceness and to cultivate my "inner asshole". Early lessons involved uses of sarcasm and irony- we are working up to profanity next week.
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Throw away your Palinazi talking points

by Scapegoated Jew Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:31 AM

Throw away your Pali...
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"Israel NEVER admits to wrong doing"

You're a historical ignoramous full of dog shit. Learn how to use Google alongside your mental therapy.
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caught is not admitting

by Judasgoat's imp Wednesday, May. 31, 2006 at 8:35 AM

So...
Tell me do you believe that Abbas serves the interests of Israel or does he serve the interests of the Palestinians?
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